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And all the things you saw in other people's eyes... can you find

them in yourself?

Love,

Am 30.06.2006 um 00:02 schrieb Adithya K:

> I came back to USA after spending 3 weeks in India.

>

> In India, I experienced heat and humidity. I traveled on some

> roads that were very jerky. I walked in the lanes that were dirty,

> muddy and dark. I experienced power cuts and mosquito bites. I

> even had some verbal arguments. I witnessed some self-obsession,

> vain and jealousy.

>

> Yet, in general, I was quite peaceful. Plus, I had a feeling of

> liveliness and intensity combined with openness, eagerness and self-

> belief.

>

>

> I came to USA with high energy and enthusiasm...

>

> yet, due to reasons yet unknown to me, I started experiencing

> fear, doubts and low-grade unease very soon. With most people that

> I met, I felt as if they were afraid, as if they were uneasy

> within, as if they were trying to hide something. As if I had

> entered a place that was highly secretive, a place where people

> were afraid as if they thought others were plotting something

> against them.

>

> I felt as if most people are plagued with the 'inner guilt'*. The

> guilt that arises when you live with the constant feeling of 'not

> doing what you know you should do' and 'doing what you know you

> shouldn't do'. As if they were living with a feeling of having

> lost their integrity.

>

>

> And, even in myself, I noticed a subtle fear as if I had to be

> always watchful, vigilant. As if I needed to constantly protect

> something, as if something within was always at risk...

>

> In some eyes, I saw fear that I had missed seeing for some time.

> As if they thought, I was a threat or if 'talking to me' or just

> 'talking' itself was a risk.

>

> I saw hostility in some eyes that I had missed seeing for a while

> as if I was some 'unwanted' human embodying unknown dangers for

> them...

>

>

> [interestingly, I felt this way even around people of Indian

> origin too provided they have been in USA for any considerable [4+

> years] length].

>

> I don't know why...

>

>

>

> ----

>

> *I guess, It is kind of 'guilt' that I might feel if I was aware

> of my younger brother dying of hunger while I was feasting on 21

> course dinner with my fat wife in an expensive restaurant with the

> money that my father gave me long time back to buy my supplies for

> my brother medicines...

>

> It is kind of 'fear' that I might have in this situation fearing

> my father might see it, fearing that my younger brother might see

> it...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> And all the things you saw in other people's eyes... can you find

> them in yourself?

I can pretty much find everything in myself.

Yet, I notice that what I notice in people

like is something different than what

I notice in people like Saddam.

>

> Love,

>

>

> Am 30.06.2006 um 00:02 schrieb Adithya K:

>

> > I came back to USA after spending 3 weeks in India.

> >

> > In India, I experienced heat and humidity. I traveled on some

> > roads that were very jerky. I walked in the lanes that were

dirty,

> > muddy and dark. I experienced power cuts and mosquito bites. I

> > even had some verbal arguments. I witnessed some self-obsession,

> > vain and jealousy.

> >

> > Yet, in general, I was quite peaceful. Plus, I had a feeling

of

> > liveliness and intensity combined with openness, eagerness and

self-

> > belief.

> >

> >

> > I came to USA with high energy and enthusiasm...

> >

> > yet, due to reasons yet unknown to me, I started experiencing

> > fear, doubts and low-grade unease very soon. With most people

that

> > I met, I felt as if they were afraid, as if they were uneasy

> > within, as if they were trying to hide something. As if I had

> > entered a place that was highly secretive, a place where people

> > were afraid as if they thought others were plotting something

> > against them.

> >

> > I felt as if most people are plagued with the 'inner guilt'*.

The

> > guilt that arises when you live with the constant feeling

of 'not

> > doing what you know you should do' and 'doing what you know you

> > shouldn't do'. As if they were living with a feeling of having

> > lost their integrity.

> >

> >

> > And, even in myself, I noticed a subtle fear as if I had to be

> > always watchful, vigilant. As if I needed to constantly protect

> > something, as if something within was always at risk...

> >

> > In some eyes, I saw fear that I had missed seeing for some

time.

> > As if they thought, I was a threat or if 'talking to me' or just

> > 'talking' itself was a risk.

> >

> > I saw hostility in some eyes that I had missed seeing for a

while

> > as if I was some 'unwanted' human embodying unknown dangers for

> > them...

> >

> >

> > [interestingly, I felt this way even around people of Indian

> > origin too provided they have been in USA for any considerable

[4+

> > years] length].

> >

> > I don't know why...

> >

> >

> >

> > ----

> >

> > *I guess, It is kind of 'guilt' that I might feel if I was

aware

> > of my younger brother dying of hunger while I was feasting on 21

> > course dinner with my fat wife in an expensive restaurant with

the

> > money that my father gave me long time back to buy my supplies

for

> > my brother medicines...

> >

> > It is kind of 'fear' that I might have in this situation

fearing

> > my father might see it, fearing that my younger brother might

see

> > it...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> > And all the things you saw in other people's eyes... can you

find

> > them in yourself?

>

> I can pretty much find everything in myself.

>

> Yet, I notice that what I notice in people

> like is something different than what

> I notice in people like Saddam.

>

>

>

> >

> > Love,

> >

> >

> > Am 30.06.2006 um 00:02 schrieb Adithya K:

> >

> > > I came back to USA after spending 3 weeks in India.

> > >

> > > In India, I experienced heat and humidity. I traveled on some

> > > roads that were very jerky. I walked in the lanes that were

> dirty,

> > > muddy and dark. I experienced power cuts and mosquito bites. I

> > > even had some verbal arguments. I witnessed some self-

obsession,

> > > vain and jealousy.

> > >

> > > Yet, in general, I was quite peaceful. Plus, I had a feeling

> of

> > > liveliness and intensity combined with openness, eagerness and

> self-

> > > belief.

> > >

> > >

> > > I came to USA with high energy and enthusiasm...

> > >

> > > yet, due to reasons yet unknown to me, I started experiencing

> > > fear, doubts and low-grade unease very soon. With most people

> that

> > > I met, I felt as if they were afraid, as if they were uneasy

> > > within, as if they were trying to hide something. As if I had

> > > entered a place that was highly secretive, a place where

people

> > > were afraid as if they thought others were plotting something

> > > against them.

> > >

> > > I felt as if most people are plagued with the 'inner guilt'*.

> The

> > > guilt that arises when you live with the constant feeling

> of 'not

> > > doing what you know you should do' and 'doing what you know

you

> > > shouldn't do'. As if they were living with a feeling of having

> > > lost their integrity.

> > >

> > >

> > > And, even in myself, I noticed a subtle fear as if I had to be

> > > always watchful, vigilant. As if I needed to constantly

protect

> > > something, as if something within was always at risk...

> > >

> > > In some eyes, I saw fear that I had missed seeing for some

> time.

> > > As if they thought, I was a threat or if 'talking to me' or

just

> > > 'talking' itself was a risk.

> > >

> > > I saw hostility in some eyes that I had missed seeing for a

> while

> > > as if I was some 'unwanted' human embodying unknown dangers

for

> > > them...

> > >

> > >

> > > [interestingly, I felt this way even around people of Indian

> > > origin too provided they have been in USA for any considerable

> [4+

> > > years] length].

> > >

> > > I don't know why...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ----

> > >

> > > *I guess, It is kind of 'guilt' that I might feel if I was

> aware

> > > of my younger brother dying of hunger while I was feasting on

21

> > > course dinner with my fat wife in an expensive restaurant with

> the

> > > money that my father gave me long time back to buy my supplies

> for

> > > my brother medicines...

> > >

> > > It is kind of 'fear' that I might have in this situation

> fearing

> > > my father might see it, fearing that my younger brother might

> see

> > > it...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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There is no one out there

*YOU* are always my story

So, if I think:

" I felt as if most people are plagued with the inner guilt "

I would put it this way:

I *had the story* that most people are plagued with the inner guilt

Why would I tell that story about them???

Is it because they where really plagued with the inner guilt?

Is it me the one who feel inner guilt and I project it on them?

I don't know

What do you think?

Love, T

-- Re: Coming back . . .

And all the things you saw in other people's eyes... can you find

them in yourself?

Love,

Am 30.06.2006 um 00:02 schrieb Adithya K:

> I came back to USA after spending 3 weeks in India.

>

> In India, I experienced heat and humidity. I traveled on some

> roads that were very jerky. I walked in the lanes that were dirty,

> muddy and dark. I experienced power cuts and mosquito bites. I

> even had some verbal arguments. I witnessed some self-obsession,

> vain and jealousy.

>

> Yet, in general, I was quite peaceful. Plus, I had a feeling of

> liveliness and intensity combined with openness, eagerness and self-

> belief.

>

>

> I came to USA with high energy and enthusiasm...

>

> yet, due to reasons yet unknown to me, I started experiencing

> fear, doubts and low-grade unease very soon. With most people that

> I met, I felt as if they were afraid, as if they were uneasy

> within, as if they were trying to hide something. As if I had

> entered a place that was highly secretive, a place where people

> were afraid as if they thought others were plotting something

> against them.

>

> I felt as if most people are plagued with the 'inner guilt'*. The

> guilt that arises when you live with the constant feeling of 'not

> doing what you know you should do' and 'doing what you know you

> shouldn't do'. As if they were living with a feeling of having

> lost their integrity.

>

>

> And, even in myself, I noticed a subtle fear as if I had to be

> always watchful, vigilant. As if I needed to constantly protect

> something, as if something within was always at risk...

>

> In some eyes, I saw fear that I had missed seeing for some time.

> As if they thought, I was a threat or if 'talking to me' or just

> 'talking' itself was a risk.

>

> I saw hostility in some eyes that I had missed seeing for a while

> as if I was some 'unwanted' human embodying unknown dangers for

> them...

>

>

> [interestingly, I felt this way even around people of Indian

> origin too provided they have been in USA for any considerable [4+

> years] length].

>

> I don't know why...

>

>

>

> ----

>

> *I guess, It is kind of 'guilt' that I might feel if I was aware

> of my younger brother dying of hunger while I was feasting on 21

> course dinner with my fat wife in an expensive restaurant with the

> money that my father gave me long time back to buy my supplies for

> my brother medicines...

>

> It is kind of 'fear' that I might have in this situation fearing

> my father might see it, fearing that my younger brother might see

> it...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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There is this picture of a naked man and women hugging

This picture is made of combination of many dolphins

I was told that young children

Don't see the man and the women, only the dolphins

The reason is that they have no grasping point in there mind of the intimate

image

Got my point?

-- Re: Coming back . . .

And all the things you saw in other people's eyes... can you find

them in yourself?

Love,

Am 30.06.2006 um 00:02 schrieb Adithya K:

> I came back to USA after spending 3 weeks in India.

>

> In India, I experienced heat and humidity. I traveled on some

> roads that were very jerky. I walked in the lanes that were dirty,

> muddy and dark. I experienced power cuts and mosquito bites. I

> even had some verbal arguments. I witnessed some self-obsession,

> vain and jealousy.

>

> Yet, in general, I was quite peaceful. Plus, I had a feeling of

> liveliness and intensity combined with openness, eagerness and self-

> belief.

>

>

> I came to USA with high energy and enthusiasm...

>

> yet, due to reasons yet unknown to me, I started experiencing

> fear, doubts and low-grade unease very soon. With most people that

> I met, I felt as if they were afraid, as if they were uneasy

> within, as if they were trying to hide something. As if I had

> entered a place that was highly secretive, a place where people

> were afraid as if they thought others were plotting something

> against them.

>

> I felt as if most people are plagued with the 'inner guilt'*. The

> guilt that arises when you live with the constant feeling of 'not

> doing what you know you should do' and 'doing what you know you

> shouldn't do'. As if they were living with a feeling of having

> lost their integrity.

>

>

> And, even in myself, I noticed a subtle fear as if I had to be

> always watchful, vigilant. As if I needed to constantly protect

> something, as if something within was always at risk...

>

> In some eyes, I saw fear that I had missed seeing for some time.

> As if they thought, I was a threat or if 'talking to me' or just

> 'talking' itself was a risk.

>

> I saw hostility in some eyes that I had missed seeing for a while

> as if I was some 'unwanted' human embodying unknown dangers for

> them...

>

>

> [interestingly, I felt this way even around people of Indian

> origin too provided they have been in USA for any considerable [4+

> years] length].

>

> I don't know why...

>

>

>

> ----

>

> *I guess, It is kind of 'guilt' that I might feel if I was aware

> of my younger brother dying of hunger while I was feasting on 21

> course dinner with my fat wife in an expensive restaurant with the

> money that my father gave me long time back to buy my supplies for

> my brother medicines...

>

> It is kind of 'fear' that I might have in this situation fearing

> my father might see it, fearing that my younger brother might see

> it...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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There is no one out there

*YOU* are always my story

So, if I think:

" I felt as if most people are plagued with the inner guilt "

I would put it this way:

I *had the story* that most people are plagued with the inner guilt

*****How about going....further: Drop the " I had the story " and see

that what is happening is really that " there is a story... " " You "

who " had " it are really just a momentary arising in consciousness

with the attribution of enclosing (being the repository of) this

particular story. You didn't will it. The story arose. And, if

there is identification with it, then " you " - Tami - arise along with

it. In the absence of the identification, there is just a story,

many stories, coming and going, like the clouds, empty of any " truth "

value. Just a momentary shape, configuration, collection of atoms,

changing, moment to moment.

Why would I tell that story about them???

Is it because they where really plagued with the inner guilt?

Is it me the one who feel inner guilt and I project it on them?

I don't know

What do you think?

*****As you insightfully note in your first sentence at the top of

the email: " there is no one out there. " So there is no " they " who is

(or is not) plagued with inner guilt. There is simply

guilt...arising....at some point, perhaps, perceived. The misstep is

then assigning the conscious perception to a static " me " who it is

thought to " have " that perception/thought, along with a whole lotta

other thoughts and now you have " a person. " ;-) The misstep is like

a magician's sleight-of-hand which allows the trick, the magic, to

seem to truly happen. Can it be seen as it happens? This is what is

sometimes called " freedom from the known, " because it can't be " seen "

by some " one, " although the seeing can happen.

Cheers!

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