Meds

[Guest guest]

Jill, you are surely going to lose weight with the runs. I'm told most

get over it after a period of adjustment, some say 2 weeks. Sam

[Guest guest]

At 08:00 AM 25-11-99 -0800, Jill wrote:

>

>I have asked my dr to switch my meds from Glyburide to glucophage and he

>told me to take both. Well I took the glucophage yesterday and sorry to

>mention this but I had a terrible bout with the runs.

>Has anyone else experienced this with this med?

Hi,

I am new to this list but a veteran of DM Type II - 8 years.

I was put on Glyciphage since last 5 years. I suppose this is same as

Glociphage that Jill is talking about. The basic drug is Metformin.

My experience with Metformin is good. As per the Doc's prescription, I took

500mg twice a day half hour before meals. It certainly improved my bg

control. However I can not say that about the side effects. I had gastric

trouble and it lasted for 5 years! Docs always treated it with other

gastric related medications which gave relief for a short period.

Recently I refered to a pharmacopoeia and saw information about Metformin.

There it is clearly mentioned that the drug had gastric side effects and

that the drug is to be taken on full stomach!

Such a simple thing! I immediately switched the drug to after meals and it

worked. Since last 3 months I do not have recurrence of any gastric trouble

and I certainly hope it continues this way.

May be Jill's trouble is related to this or any such drug adjustment factor.

Rahul.

[Guest guest]

Pahul, I was able to lose weight and control my sugar by restricting

starch in my diet. I personally don't think medication is a long term

solution to control. It seems to me to be a situation with no plus side,

only minuses. There is no way to improve your situation.

Diabetes isn't a disease that can be cured by medication.

Sam

[Guest guest]

The only negative side affect I have seen with glucophage is that it brought my

bg down to 32 when

taking 500mg. I cut it down to 250mg and that seems to do the trick. But then

again, I have only

been on it for a few days.

Rick

--- Rahul Mehta wrote:

>

>

> At 08:00 AM 25-11-99 -0800, Jill wrote:

> >

>

> >I have asked my dr to switch my meds from Glyburide to glucophage and he

> >told me to take both. Well I took the glucophage yesterday and sorry to

> >mention this but I had a terrible bout with the runs.

> >Has anyone else experienced this with this med?

>

> Hi,

>

> I am new to this list but a veteran of DM Type II - 8 years.

>

> I was put on Glyciphage since last 5 years. I suppose this is same as

> Glociphage that Jill is talking about. The basic drug is Metformin.

>

> My experience with Metformin is good. As per the Doc's prescription, I took

> 500mg twice a day half hour before meals. It certainly improved my bg

> control. However I can not say that about the side effects. I had gastric

> trouble and it lasted for 5 years! Docs always treated it with other

> gastric related medications which gave relief for a short period.

>

> Recently I refered to a pharmacopoeia and saw information about Metformin.

> There it is clearly mentioned that the drug had gastric side effects and

> that the drug is to be taken on full stomach!

>

> Such a simple thing! I immediately switched the drug to after meals and it

> worked. Since last 3 months I do not have recurrence of any gastric trouble

> and I certainly hope it continues this way.

>

> May be Jill's trouble is related to this or any such drug adjustment factor.

>

> Rahul.

>

> >

=====

" Very funny y, now, beam me down my clothes... "

Kirk

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Rick, it sounds to me like you are a good canditate for dietary control

only, I gave up fats, and reduced starch intake and was able to lose

weight, get off insulin off oral to diet only. Sam

[Guest guest]

Rick - 32!!!! That sounds like it must have caused some problems - how did

you deal with that? I have not taken medicine - so far being able to control

my BG with a new way of eating and exercise (low carb) Sounds like you might

be able to do the same thing - way to go for not ignoring this doing

something about it. Rebekah

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I agree that DM can not be cured with medicines.

However, Medication, diet and exercise in right proportion is the treatment

for diabetes.

Each person has a different metabolism and depending on the exact nature of

the ailment, treatment has to be decided by the doc. Some can do away with

diet only (like my father) and some need a mix of diet and medication (like

me). Exercise though, is a non-neglectable factor as a universal sugar and

calory burner. Drugs and their doses for the same medication also differ as

per body chemistry. That is why you need qualified medicos monitoring and

adjusting your condition regularly.

Rahul.

[Guest guest]

Rick,

Is glucophage the only med you are taking? Also have you drastically changed

your diet and amount of exercise?

The reason I ask is that glucophage doesn't usually cause lows the reason

being that it doesn't cause your body to create more insulin, it only makes

your cells more receptive to it (and then your body will reduce the amount

it makes).

SO I'm wondering if your diet and exercise aren't contributing to your lows

Also, if you go low carb, that will probably no longer be a problem

Meenie

Re: meds

>

>

>The only negative side affect I have seen with glucophage is that it

brought my bg down to 32 when

>taking 500mg. I cut it down to 250mg and that seems to do the trick. But

then again, I have only

>been on it for a few days.

>

>Rick

>

>--- Rahul Mehta wrote:

>>

>>

>> At 08:00 AM 25-11-99 -0800, Jill wrote:

>> >

>>

>> >I have asked my dr to switch my meds from Glyburide to glucophage and he

>> >told me to take both. Well I took the glucophage yesterday and sorry to

>> >mention this but I had a terrible bout with the runs.

>> >Has anyone else experienced this with this med?

>>

>> Hi,

>>

>> I am new to this list but a veteran of DM Type II - 8 years.

>>

>> I was put on Glyciphage since last 5 years. I suppose this is same as

>> Glociphage that Jill is talking about. The basic drug is Metformin.

>>

>> My experience with Metformin is good. As per the Doc's prescription, I

took

>> 500mg twice a day half hour before meals. It certainly improved my bg

>> control. However I can not say that about the side effects. I had gastric

>> trouble and it lasted for 5 years! Docs always treated it with other

>> gastric related medications which gave relief for a short period.

>>

>> Recently I refered to a pharmacopoeia and saw information about

Metformin.

>> There it is clearly mentioned that the drug had gastric side effects and

>> that the drug is to be taken on full stomach!

>>

>> Such a simple thing! I immediately switched the drug to after meals and

it

>> worked. Since last 3 months I do not have recurrence of any gastric

trouble

>> and I certainly hope it continues this way.

>>

>> May be Jill's trouble is related to this or any such drug adjustment

factor.

>>

>> Rahul.

>>

>> >

>

>

>=====

> " Very funny y, now, beam me down my clothes... "

> Kirk

>__________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Rahul, doctors seldom stress self control of diabetes, the training

takes too long, and there is no profit in it. Doctors training in

diabetes is usually weak, I think we are more motivated to control for

ourselves. Sam

[Guest guest]

dear meenie - i am walking, i am watching everything that i eat, taking

2 glucophage a day plus 40 units of humulin n -fasting sugars this

morning? 380 - vision blurred - not well - my doc is in fla - what do

you think that i should do? i have not had a donut, potatoes, nothing

like that - i feel so bad i am crying - steve wants me to go to the er -

what do you think

Meenie wrote:

>

>

>

> Rick,

> Is glucophage the only med you are taking? Also have you drastically changed

> your diet and amount of exercise?

> The reason I ask is that glucophage doesn't usually cause lows the reason

> being that it doesn't cause your body to create more insulin, it only makes

> your cells more receptive to it (and then your body will reduce the amount

> it makes).

> SO I'm wondering if your diet and exercise aren't contributing to your lows

>

> Also, if you go low carb, that will probably no longer be a problem

> Meenie

> Re: meds

>

> >

> >

> >The only negative side affect I have seen with glucophage is that it

> brought my bg down to 32 when

> >taking 500mg. I cut it down to 250mg and that seems to do the trick. But

> then again, I have only

> >been on it for a few days.

> >

> >Rick

> >

> >--- Rahul Mehta wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> At 08:00 AM 25-11-99 -0800, Jill wrote:

> >> >

> >>

> >> >I have asked my dr to switch my meds from Glyburide to glucophage and he

> >> >told me to take both. Well I took the glucophage yesterday and sorry to

> >> >mention this but I had a terrible bout with the runs.

> >> >Has anyone else experienced this with this med?

> >>

> >> Hi,

> >>

> >> I am new to this list but a veteran of DM Type II - 8 years.

> >>

> >> I was put on Glyciphage since last 5 years. I suppose this is same as

> >> Glociphage that Jill is talking about. The basic drug is Metformin.

> >>

> >> My experience with Metformin is good. As per the Doc's prescription, I

> took

> >> 500mg twice a day half hour before meals. It certainly improved my bg

> >> control. However I can not say that about the side effects. I had gastric

> >> trouble and it lasted for 5 years! Docs always treated it with other

> >> gastric related medications which gave relief for a short period.

> >>

> >> Recently I refered to a pharmacopoeia and saw information about

> Metformin.

> >> There it is clearly mentioned that the drug had gastric side effects and

> >> that the drug is to be taken on full stomach!

> >>

> >> Such a simple thing! I immediately switched the drug to after meals and

> it

> >> worked. Since last 3 months I do not have recurrence of any gastric

> trouble

> >> and I certainly hope it continues this way.

> >>

> >> May be Jill's trouble is related to this or any such drug adjustment

> factor.

> >>

> >> Rahul.

> >>

> >> >

> >

> >

> >=====

> > " Very funny y, now, beam me down my clothes... "

> > Kirk

> >__________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

At 05:50 PM 26-11-99 -0800, E Levy wrote:

>

>

>Rahul, doctors seldom stress self control of diabetes, the training

>takes too long, and there is no profit in it. Doctors training in

>diabetes is usually weak, I think we are more motivated to control for

>ourselves. Sam

Sam,

I agree. Docs have to buy condos and yachts too ;-)

That is where self education comes in to picture. Self discipline about

diet and exercise will better control your bg so that your need for

medication will reduce. It is also important that you adjust to your

individual needs and do not resort to any fanatic diet or exercise plans

just because it is the current fad.

However take guidance from your Doc about medication. Acting on your own

about medication including changing dosage or stopping altogether is

dangerous.

Rahul.

[Guest guest]

Rahul, I think we have to be our own doctors. I was put on a set single

dose of insulin. I read about varioua insulin regimes and bought myown

insulin and set and adjusted my own insulin regimen. As an electrical

engineer I knew how to use meters for best results, and did so. I

realized I had never been tested for oral medication, went to Mexico and

bought it, and was able to go on oral. I learned about NO FAT, and lost

weight, and started hjaving low blood sugar, I went to the lowest dose

of oral, soon I was forced off to diet only. I think we have to keep our

doctors honest and up to date, sam

[Guest guest]

Hi -- I'm new to the list and I keep finding helpful tidbits.

, it sounds like there's a good chance the glucophage isn't working

effectively anymore. From what I understand, this is not unusual. My guess

is that you may need to try a shorter acting insulin to get your sugars

under control. You'll feel better. Once your sugars have stabilized for

awhile, you may only need the N again. Instead of the R, however, a doctor

may recommend increasing the N. Definitely see a doctor about this, don't

wait, take care of it by going to the ER if you have to. You'll feel better

sooner. Good Luck.

from Canada

>

>Reply-To: diabetesonelist

>To: diabetesonelist

>Subject: Re: meds

>Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 10:11:43 -0500

>

>

>

>dear meenie - i am walking, i am watching everything that i eat, taking

>2 glucophage a day plus 40 units of humulin n -fasting sugars this

>morning? 380 - vision blurred - not well - my doc is in fla - what do

>you think that i should do? i have not had a donut, potatoes, nothing

>like that - i feel so bad i am crying - steve wants me to go to the er -

>what do you think

>

>Meenie wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Rick,

> > Is glucophage the only med you are taking? Also have you drastically

>changed

> > your diet and amount of exercise?

> > The reason I ask is that glucophage doesn't usually cause lows the

>reason

> > being that it doesn't cause your body to create more insulin, it only

>makes

> > your cells more receptive to it (and then your body will reduce the

>amount

> > it makes).

> > SO I'm wondering if your diet and exercise aren't contributing to your

>lows

> >

> > Also, if you go low carb, that will probably no longer be a problem

> > Meenie

> > Re: meds

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >The only negative side affect I have seen with glucophage is that it

> > brought my bg down to 32 when

> > >taking 500mg. I cut it down to 250mg and that seems to do the trick.

>But

> > then again, I have only

> > >been on it for a few days.

> > >

> > >Rick

> > >

> > >--- Rahul Mehta wrote:

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> At 08:00 AM 25-11-99 -0800, Jill wrote:

> > >> >

> > >>

> > >> >I have asked my dr to switch my meds from Glyburide to glucophage

>and he

> > >> >told me to take both. Well I took the glucophage yesterday and sorry

>to

> > >> >mention this but I had a terrible bout with the runs.

> > >> >Has anyone else experienced this with this med?

> > >>

> > >> Hi,

> > >>

> > >> I am new to this list but a veteran of DM Type II - 8 years.

> > >>

> > >> I was put on Glyciphage since last 5 years. I suppose this is same as

> > >> Glociphage that Jill is talking about. The basic drug is Metformin.

> > >>

> > >> My experience with Metformin is good. As per the Doc's prescription,

>I

> > took

> > >> 500mg twice a day half hour before meals. It certainly improved my bg

> > >> control. However I can not say that about the side effects. I had

>gastric

> > >> trouble and it lasted for 5 years! Docs always treated it with other

> > >> gastric related medications which gave relief for a short period.

> > >>

> > >> Recently I refered to a pharmacopoeia and saw information about

> > Metformin.

> > >> There it is clearly mentioned that the drug had gastric side effects

>and

> > >> that the drug is to be taken on full stomach!

> > >>

> > >> Such a simple thing! I immediately switched the drug to after meals

>and

> > it

> > >> worked. Since last 3 months I do not have recurrence of any gastric

> > trouble

> > >> and I certainly hope it continues this way.

> > >>

> > >> May be Jill's trouble is related to this or any such drug adjustment

> > factor.

> > >>

> > >> Rahul.

> > >>

> > >> >

> > >

> > >

> > >=====

> > > " Very funny y, now, beam me down my clothes... "

> > > Kirk

> > >__________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

Duff,

When you get things under control think about goin on a pump.

Simply fantastic.

fp

>>

>>Reply-To: diabetesonelist

>>To: diabetesonelist

>>Subject: Re: meds

>>Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 10:11:43 -0500

>>

>>

>>

>>dear meenie - i am walking, i am watching everything that i eat, taking

>>2 glucophage a day plus 40 units of humulin n -fasting sugars this

>>morning? 380 - vision blurred - not well - my doc is in fla - what do

>>you think that i should do? i have not had a donut, potatoes, nothing

>>like that - i feel so bad i am crying - steve wants me to go to the er -

>>what do you think

>>

[Guest guest]

Dear list, especially Meenie,

I'm taking off for a few days to visit my dad. Please get along while

I'm gone. Also, Meenie, please allow new guests to enter our group.

Thanks!

God Bless!

[Guest guest]

How are you doing , diabetes wise? Sam

[Guest guest]

Sam, you are so right!!!

E Levy wrote:

>

>

> Rahul, doctors seldom stress self control of diabetes, the training

> takes too long, and there is no profit in it. Doctors training in

> diabetes is usually weak, I think we are more motivated to control for

> ourselves. Sam

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 01:28 PM 11/28/99 +0000,petra@... you wrote:

> I'm taking off for a few days to visit my dad. Please get along

> while

>I'm gone. Also, Meenie, please allow new guests to enter our group.

Party time... ;-)

[Guest guest]

that is what we are going to ask the dr about

Footprints wrote:

>

>

>

> Duff,

> When you get things under control think about goin on a pump.

> Simply fantastic.

> fp

>

> >>

> >>Reply-To: diabetesonelist

> >>To: diabetesonelist

> >>Subject: Re: meds

> >>Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 10:11:43 -0500

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>dear meenie - i am walking, i am watching everything that i eat, taking

> >>2 glucophage a day plus 40 units of humulin n -fasting sugars this

> >>morning? 380 - vision blurred - not well - my doc is in fla - what do

> >>you think that i should do? i have not had a donut, potatoes, nothing

> >>like that - i feel so bad i am crying - steve wants me to go to the er -

> >>what do you think

> >>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

>went to the er -they did a whole work up - bs got down to 303 -vision

>still was blurry -they toldme to call the doc on mon -today have been

>very quiet, drinking lots -thirst incredible - sugars fasting were 217

>-

>followed the ada diet all day - just now -2 hours after dinner of

>chicken breast (baked), 1/2 cup rice, 1 cup brocolli, tossed salad -no

>dressing and an apple - bs 280 -vision is blurry and i am not feeling

>well - got to get some help - the insuline and the orals are not

>working

>-

>thanks

>

There is one thing that has been know to throw ones BG out of whack and

that is ironically Aspartame (AKA Nutrasweet, Equal, Spoonful, etc.)

Some folks like its manufacturer and the ADA will deny this. Check out

the ASPARTAME lists on ONELIST.COM or DORWAY.COM for more information.

Take care and best of luck to everyone.

Earl

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

If your bg's are 380 and your vision is blurry despite taking your meds, you

should probably go to the ER. Something is going on to affect your bg's.

It could be an infection, but you should absolutely get it checked out.

Meenie

Re: meds

>> >>Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 10:11:43 -0500

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>dear meenie - i am walking, i am watching everything that i eat, taking

>> >>2 glucophage a day plus 40 units of humulin n -fasting sugars this

>> >>morning? 380 - vision blurred - not well - my doc is in fla - what do

>> >>you think that i should do? i have not had a donut, potatoes, nothing

>> >>like that - i feel so bad i am crying - steve wants me to go to the

er -

>> >>what do you think

>> >>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

LOL.. Ok I was working long hours yesterday but will let the newbies in now

Meenie

>

>

>At 01:28 PM 11/28/99 +0000,petra@... you wrote:

>> I'm taking off for a few days to visit my dad. Please get along

>> while

>>I'm gone. Also, Meenie, please allow new guests to enter our group.

>

>Party time... ;-)

>

>>

[Guest guest]

Ok

Have fun

Meenie

>From: petra@...

>

>Dear list, especially Meenie,

>

> I'm taking off for a few days to visit my dad. Please get along while

>I'm gone. Also, Meenie, please allow new guests to enter our group.

>

>Thanks!

>God Bless!

>

>

>>

[Guest guest]

GOOD!!

fp

>

>

>that is what we are going to ask the dr about

>

>Footprints wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>> Duff,

>> When you get things under control think about goin on a pump.

>> Simply fantastic.

>> fp

>>

>> >>

>> >>Reply-To: diabetesonelist

>> >>To: diabetesonelist

>> >>Subject: Re: meds

>> >>Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 10:11:43 -0500

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>dear meenie - i am walking, i am watching everything that i eat, taking

>> >>2 glucophage a day plus 40 units of humulin n -fasting sugars this

>> >>morning? 380 - vision blurred - not well - my doc is in fla - what do

>> >>you think that i should do? i have not had a donut, potatoes, nothing

>> >>like that - i feel so bad i am crying - steve wants me to go to the

er -

>> >>what do you think

>> >>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

,

Maybe you should post some of your da;ys menus.

Perhaps you are missing some hidden carbs - they can really pile up.

Meenie

>>>dear meenie - i am walking, i am watching everything that i eat, taking

>>>2 glucophage a day plus 40 units of humulin n -fasting sugars this

>>>morning? 380 - vision blurred - not well - my doc is in fla - what do

>>>you think that i should do? i have not had a donut, potatoes, nothing

>>>like that - i feel so bad i am crying - steve wants me to go to the er -

>>>what do you think