Guest guest Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 God is everything; God is good. ~Byron Doesn't 'everything' include " stress " too! And, fear too! Doesn't that mean that 'stress' is 'good'. Fear is good! Of course... it is. Then, why are you [am I] trying to fight them off? Is this the way you welcome a friend? Stress definitely tells you [me] something. It definitely serves an important purpose. In my experience, there is nothing in the universe that doesn't serve a very important, useful and essential purpose. So, what is the purpose of stress? Why is it there? Why was it created? I think the major problem around " stress " is created because of our " approach " to it! We try to " run away " from it, " escape " it and more we try to " run away " ... more our friend [stress] chases us because it has a very important message to give us! And, our friend [stress] is very persistent. It is not going away until it is sure that we have received, completely understood its message and have made decision on our course of action. Just because the language in which this friend speaks appaers little harsh [though, its message is only for our " good " ] we try to fight it off, avoid it... and, that makes the whole thing a 'struggle'; in place of just a meeting of friends. Once, our approach to this friend [stress] becomes welcoming, of understanding, once we welcome it with all our heart, undestand and acknowledge its message, let it know that we have made decision on what we are going to do in the context of its message - the whole thing dramatically changes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 ac. pls read the bottom line. > > God is everything; God is good. > > ~Byron > > > Doesn't 'everything' include " stress " too! > > And, fear too! > > > Doesn't that mean that 'stress' is 'good'. > Fear is good! > > Of course... it is. > > Then, why are you [am I] trying to fight > them off? Is this the way you welcome > a friend? > > Stress definitely tells you [me] something. > > It definitely serves an important purpose. > > In my experience, there is nothing in the universe > that doesn't serve a very important, useful > and essential purpose. So, what is the purpose > of stress? Why is it there? Why was it created? > > I think the major problem around " stress " is > created because of our " approach " to it! > > We try to " run away " from it, " escape " it > and more we try to " run away " ... more our > friend [stress] chases us because it has > a very important message to give us! And, > our friend [stress] is very persistent. > It is not going away until it is sure that > we have received, completely understood its > message and have made decision on our > course of action. > > Just because the language in which this > friend speaks appaers little harsh [though, > its message is only for our " good " ] we > try to fight it off, avoid it... > > and, that makes the whole thing a 'struggle'; > in place of just a meeting of friends. > > > Once, our approach to this friend [stress] > becomes welcoming, of understanding, once > we welcome it with all our heart, undestand > and acknowledge its message, let it know > that we have made decision on what we > are going to do in the context of its message > - the whole thing dramatically changes! well said. now please respond from your heart my three questions precious one. " pestering " rosey ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 > > God is everything; God is good. > > ~Byron > > > Doesn't 'everything' include " stress " too! > > And, fear too! ***If you experienced the above statement as true (god is everything, god is good), you wouldnt experience stress or fear....we experience stress and fear exactly because we do not believe that god is good and god is everything. stress and fear exist to wake us up to the fact that we are attached to, are believing, a stressful thought, a lie. so, yes...stress or fear are our 'friends'....as katie says, they are the alarm that can wake us up to the fact that we are attached to a painful thought and can use the work to wake ourselves up. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 > > > ***If you experienced the above statement as true (god is > everything, god is good), you wouldnt experience stress or > fear....we experience stress and fear exactly because we do not > believe that god is good and god is everything. stress and fear > exist to wake us up to the fact that we are attached to, are > believing, a stressful thought, a lie. so, yes...stress or fear > are our 'friends'....as katie says, they are the alarm that can > wake us up to the fact that we are attached to a painful thought > and can use the work to wake ourselves up. > Absolutely brilliant response As says " Sanity doesn't suffer, ever . . . ever! " . If I am experiencing stress or fear I am literally insane, and it's time to do the Work if I want to be sane again. Stress and fear have no existence in the presence of truth, so it is absolutely insane to suggest that fear and stress are part of God. -isms like " God is everything. God is good. " are very open to gross misinterpretations unless the reader has a firm grounding in the Work and 's metaphysical position. As I understand it what is actually saying in this quote is terrifying to our ego. If God is everything, then this world has no real existence, it's just a dream. It's like the ACIM statement " Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists. Herein lies the peace of God. " Since everything in this world can be threatened, it is all unreal and does not exist. Oh well off to play golf for the next two days, look forward to hearing some more from you when I get back. Have a beautiful day " Sanity doesn't suffer, ever . . . ever! Sanity doesn't suffer, ever, ever! Isn't that lovely? " Byron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 > > > > God is everything; God is good. > > > > ~Byron > > > > > > Doesn't 'everything' include " stress " too! > > > > And, fear too! > > > ***If you experienced the above statement as true (god is > everything, god is good), you wouldnt experience stress or > fear.... Thanks for the lovely message, ! What is " your " experience with it? Do you experience " God is everything; God is good. " ? If not, why not? And, if you do experience it, do you still expereince fear/stress sometimes or not? Love, ac. > we experience stress and fear exactly because we do not > believe that god is good and god is everything. stress and fear > exist to wake us up to the fact that we are attached to, are > believing, a stressful thought, a lie. so, yes...stress or fear are > our 'friends'....as katie says, they are the alarm that can wake us > up to the fact that we are attached to a painful thought and can use > the work to wake ourselves up. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 > > > > God is everything; God is good. > > > > ~Byron > > > > > > Doesn't 'everything' include " stress " too! > > > > And, fear too! > > > ***If you experienced the above statement as true (god is > everything, god is good), you wouldnt experience stress or > fear.... I don't know. > we experience stress and fear exactly because we do not > believe that god is good and god is everything. I don't know. And, believe me if truly and completely understood " why " they happen, they might stop happening. My 'belief' is that fear runs deeper than 'belief'. > stress and fear > exist to wake us up to the fact that we are attached to, are > believing, a stressful thought, a lie. so, yes...stress or fear are > our 'friends'.... I agree with this part. > as katie says, they are the alarm that can wake us > up to the fact that we are attached to a painful thought and can use > the work to wake ourselves up. To me it means that there is something that needs my Complete Attention! Everything else comes afterwards... Or, once I give it my Complete Attention, everything else follows on its own. Love, ac. PS: Don't get me wrong. I think *work* is very good and BK has been very intelligent, insightful and loving in sharing her wisdom with us. When I am perfectly clear; What Is... is what I want. ~ Byron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 > > > > > > God is everything; God is good. > > > > > > ~Byron > > > > > > > > > Doesn't 'everything' include " stress " too! > > > > > > And, fear too! > > > > > > ***If you experienced the above statement as true (god is > > everything, god is good), you wouldnt experience stress or > > fear.... > > Thanks for the lovely message, ! **You are welcome. > > What is " your " experience with it? > > Do you experience " God is everything; God is good. " ? > If not, why not? ***Sometimes yes, and sometimes no. My understanding is that I experience fear and stress when I am believing a stressful story concerning my 'experience' of life. It is not always my experience that I 'Love What Is'...I still tend to argue with reality quite a bit...and yes, I always lose!! When I use the work to question my argument with reality, I always arrive at a more peaceful place, a kinder place, a place internally that feels good. That's why I do it. Cheers, > > And, if you do experience it, do you still expereince > fear/stress sometimes or not? > > Love, > ac. > > > > > > we experience stress and fear exactly because we do not > > believe that god is good and god is everything. stress and fear > > exist to wake us up to the fact that we are attached to, are > > believing, a stressful thought, a lie. so, yes...stress or fear are > > our 'friends'....as katie says, they are the alarm that can wake us > > up to the fact that we are attached to a painful thought and can use > > the work to wake ourselves up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 > > > > > > God is everything; God is good. > > > > > > ~Byron > > > > > > > > > Doesn't 'everything' include " stress " too! > > > > > > And, fear too! > > > > > > ***If you experienced the above statement as true (god is > > everything, god is good), you wouldnt experience stress or > > fear.... > > I don't know. > ***I base the above statement on my experience. When I look at something and see it as *good/god* I don't feel stress or fear, I feel good, balanced, happy. When I look at something and see it as *bad* or wrong, I feel stress and fear. How about you in your experience? If you see something as totally good/god do you experience fear or stress? > > we experience stress and fear exactly because we do not > > believe that god is good and god is everything. > > I don't know. ***of course by *we* I mean *me*..my experience.... > > And, believe me if truly and completely understood > " why " they happen, they might stop happening. ***I dont know...what the above refers to. I dont understand why anything happens! It all happens and I either tell a stressful story about it or a happy story. > > My 'belief' is that fear runs deeper than > 'belief'. ***My *belief* is that fear is a direct result of belief and has no existence in and of itself. My *belief* is based on the fact that when I question my stressful stories that argue with reality, I experience much less fear. And I hear for you that it may be different. Interesting. > > > > stress and fear > > exist to wake us up to the fact that we are attached to, are > > believing, a stressful thought, a lie. so, yes...stress or fear are > > our 'friends'.... > > I agree with this part. > > > > as katie says, they are the alarm that can wake us > > up to the fact that we are attached to a painful thought and can use > > the work to wake ourselves up. > > > To me it means that there is something that > needs my Complete Attention! ***I have no idea how to give something my *COMPLETE* attention...I just know some stories hurt and others dont and with the work I can inquire into the ones that hurt if I want to. How do I know that I am giving my *Complete Attention*? Inquiry seems to leave me clearer and more present to all of my experience. Perhaps this is what you speak of? I experience Inquiry as a tool that leaves me with a greater possibility of giving everything my *Complete Attention* ~ is this also your experience? > > Everything else comes afterwards... **Well, I seem to give most of my attention to things that hurt the most...and this is a good thing since it shows me what to undo.... > > Or, once I give it my Complete Attention, > everything else follows on its own. ***What is it that brings you to the place where you are giving complete attention? To be competely present without a story sounds like what I imagine 's state of mind to be...and I cant know, just what I imagine. Its also another way of saying Love to me...to be completely present to something with no need to change it, is to love it in my world. *** I experience a greater ability to give my *Complete Attention* following inquiry. I am left with fewer painful stories and am more fully present to whatever is arising in the moment. So, for me, the Work brings me to that place you seem to be speaking of where you are giving *Complete Attention*. When I am Loving What Is arising in the moment, I seem fully present to it ~ and that feels like love to me. Thanks A.C. ~ this helped me clarify some stuff. > > Love, > ac. > > > PS: Don't get me wrong. I think *work* is very > good and BK has been very intelligent, insightful > and loving in sharing her wisdom with us. > > > When I am perfectly clear; What Is... is what I want. > > ~ Byron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Thanks for the lovely letter, ! More below... > > > > > > > > God is everything; God is good. > > > > > > > > ~Byron > > > > > > > > > > > > Doesn't 'everything' include " stress " too! > > > > > > > > And, fear too! > > > > > > > > > ***If you experienced the above statement as true (god is > > > everything, god is good), you wouldnt experience stress or > > > fear.... > > > > I don't know. > > > ***I base the above statement on my experience. When I look at > something and see it as *good/god* I don't feel stress or fear, I > feel good, balanced, happy. When I look at something and see it as > *bad* or wrong, I feel stress and fear. How about you in your > experience? If you see something as totally good/god do you > experience fear or stress? Sometimes I feel fear much before I am aware of any 'story'! It is much like an 'instictive' fear and, it seem to come from a 'deeper' mind. In my observation, even animals who may not be able to run much of 'stories' expereince this kind of fear. Even small babies wityh very few [if any] 'stories' expereince it! In my expereince, it is much like " love " ... you don't need to run a 'story' in order to expereince it. At laest, that is my " honest " understanding of my " honest " expereince. I am not concerned if my experience doesn't 100% match with the 'theories' of fear that I have read from BK and others. A large part of fear is result of deluded thinking. But, in my expereince, fear also works like other 'energies' such as HEAT - when you pass close to fire, you will expereince " heat " without having to tell " stories " about it! My expereince with some " fear " is like that! > > > > we experience stress and fear exactly because we do not > > > believe that god is good and god is everything. > > > > I don't know. > > ***of course by *we* I mean *me*..my experience.... Sure... > > > > And, believe me if I truly and completely understood > > " why " they happen, they might stop happening. > > > ***I dont know...what the above refers to. I dont understand why > anything happens! I don't completely understand it too. and, the " happening " that I don't completely undersatnd include... Fear and Stress too! I don't claim to have them completely figured out. If had them completely figured out - they might have stopped happening. > It all happens and I either tell a stressful > story about it or a happy story. To me, 'any' 'story telling' is optional. > > > > > My 'belief' is that fear runs deeper than > > 'belief'. > > ***My *belief* is that fear is a direct result of belief and has no > existence in and of itself. That is not my experience. > My *belief* is based on the fact that > when I question my stressful stories that argue with reality, I > experience much less fear. In my expereince, that works very well with 'ficttional' fears. In my expereince, not all fears are result of a 'fiction'. > And I hear for you that it may be > different. Interesting. I hope I have explained my experience above. > > > > > > > stress and fear > > > exist to wake us up to the fact that we are attached to, are > > > believing, a stressful thought, a lie. so, yes...stress or fear > are > > > our 'friends'.... > > > > I agree with this part. > > > > > > > as katie says, they are the alarm that can wake us > > > up to the fact that we are attached to a painful thought and can > use > > > the work to wake ourselves up. > > > > > > To me it means that there is something that > > needs my Complete Attention! > > > ***I have no idea how to give something my *COMPLETE* attention...I > just know some stories hurt and others dont and with the work I can > inquire into the ones that hurt if I want to. To me *COMPLETE* attention means *seeing* with 'no story' at all! It does wonders even when it is done for few moments only. > How do I know that I > am giving my *Complete Attention*? The moment when you don't see 'any' story - be it good or bad! > Inquiry seems to leave me > clearer and more present to all of my experience. Perhaps this is > what you speak of? Maybe. But, to me, real " inquiry " can begin only after first reaching that SPACE of Complete Attention! > I experience Inquiry as a tool that leaves me > with a greater possibility of giving everything my *Complete > Attention* ~ is this also your experience? Yes, it often does it. One of my favorite way is: I feel paece when I know I am doing Right Now what I want to be doing Right Now. I feel paece when I know I see, hear, touch, smell, feel, think, expereince Right Now what I want to see, hear, touch, smell, feel, think, expereince Right Now. Therefore: I want to really know What I see, hear, touch, smell, feel, think, expereince Right Now! And, that... often brings my Full Attention to what I see, hear, touch, smell, feel, think, expereince Right Now! Another way, that I reach the same SPACE is: I LOVE What Is. Now, let me see... What is __What Is__ that is in front of me, right now! Let me see exactly 'why' and 'how' I LOVE it? And, experience that it often brings is... Love! > > > > > > Everything else comes afterwards... > > **Well, I seem to give most of my attention to things that hurt the > most...and this is a good thing since it shows me what to undo.... Sure... And, I have many times seen that " hurt " often immediately dissapaers when I give it my " Complete Attention " ! > > > > > Or, once I give it my Complete Attention, > > everything else follows on its own. > > ***What is it that brings you to the place where you are giving > complete attention? I hope I have described some of it above! > To be competely present without a story sounds > like what I imagine 's state of mind to be... Maybe. > and I cant know, > just what I imagine. Sure... > Its also another way of saying Love to me...to > be completely present to something with no need to change it, is to > love it in my world. Sure... > > > *** I experience a greater ability to give my *Complete Attention* > following inquiry. I can understand that. > I am left with fewer painful stories and am more > fully present to whatever is arising in the moment. So, for me, the > Work brings me to that place you seem to be speaking of where you > are giving *Complete Attention*. When I am Loving What Is arising > in the moment, I seem fully present to it ~ and that feels like love > to me. That sounds lovely. > > Thanks A.C. ~ this helped me clarify some stuff. > > Much Love, ac. [...] > > When I am perfectly clear; What Is... is what I want. > > > > ~ Byron > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 All I know about 'stressed' is that backwards it spells - _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2006 Report Share Posted September 30, 2006 > > Thanks for the lovely letter, ! > > More below... > > > > > > > > > > > God is everything; God is good. > > > > > > > > > > ~Byron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doesn't 'everything' include " stress " too! > > > > > > > > > > And, fear too! > > > > > > > > > > > > ***If you experienced the above statement as true (god is > > > > everything, god is good), you wouldnt experience stress or > > > > fear.... > > > > > > I don't know. > > > > > ***I base the above statement on my experience. When I look at > > something and see it as *good/god* I don't feel stress or fear, I > > feel good, balanced, happy. When I look at something and see it as > > *bad* or wrong, I feel stress and fear. How about you in your > > experience? If you see something as totally good/god do you > > experience fear or stress? > > Sometimes I feel fear much before I am > aware of any 'story'! ***Yes, it appears that way for me as well, sometimes. And when I am able to be quiet, and sit with it, a 'thought' appears on which to do inquiry. > > It is much like an 'instictive' fear > and, it seem to come from a > 'deeper' mind. > ***You could be right. I would call this a core belief. A belief that is so ingrained that it appears as an *instinct*. > In my observation, even animals who > may not be able to run much of 'stories' > expereince this kind of fear. ***Animals experience fear, is it true? I can't know what they experience. > > Even small babies wityh very few > [if any] 'stories' expereince it! ***Again, I notice that I can't *know* what anyone or anything else is experiencing...I can jsut tell stories about what I see. And fear inside of me, or stress, will always be projected out onto what I see. > > > In my expereince, it is much like " love " ... > you don't need to run a 'story' in order > to expereince it. ***HHHmmmm. Perhaps. I believe that *LOVE*, our true nature, exists beyond all stories. And I do not know that I LIVE this...when I love, I ususally want something from what I *love*. Occasionally, I experience what I would call unconditional love. > > At laest, that is my " honest " understanding > of my " honest " expereince. I am not concerned > if my experience doesn't 100% match with the > 'theories' of fear that I have read from BK > and others. ***Good place to be. > > A large part of fear is result of deluded > thinking. But, in my expereince, fear > also works like other 'energies' such > as HEAT - when you pass close to fire, > you will expereince " heat " without having > to tell " stories " about it! ***Nice theory. I notice that I experience less fear in this *mysterious* manner as I undo my stories about mother, daughter, father, death, etc. And I can understand your story about fear, it sounds familiar. > > My expereince with some " fear " is like that! ***Thanks for sharing. For me, some of my experiences of *depression* seem to be experienced in the way you talk of fear. And wherever it comes from, it seems to lessen as my stories arise and I question them. I like that. > > > > > > > > > we experience stress and fear exactly because we do not > > > > believe that god is good and god is everything. > > > > > > I don't know. > > > > ***of course by *we* I mean *me*..my experience.... > > Sure... > > > > > > > And, believe me if I truly and completely understood > > > " why " they happen, they might stop happening. > > > > > > ***I dont know...what the above refers to. I dont understand why > > anything happens! > > I don't completely understand it too. > and, the " happening " that I don't completely > undersatnd include... Fear and Stress too! > > I don't claim to have them completely > figured out. If had them completely > figured out - they might have stopped > happening. > > > > It all happens and I either tell a stressful > > story about it or a happy story. > > To me, 'any' 'story telling' is optional. > > > > > > > > > > My 'belief' is that fear runs deeper than > > > 'belief'. > > > > ***My *belief* is that fear is a direct result of belief and has no > > existence in and of itself. > > That is not my experience. > > > > My *belief* is based on the fact that > > when I question my stressful stories that argue with reality, I > > experience much less fear. > > In my expereince, that works very well with > 'ficttional' fears. > > In my expereince, not all fears are result of > a 'fiction'. ***Yes, well, if I have a story that I should live and not die then all fears will not be based on *fiction*. It is worth questioning for me. As says, 'as long as we believe that life is higher than death, we live in fear'...makes sense to me. Thanks for sharing AC. I have practised mindfullness meditation, and other practices in order to develop my ability to be fully present...letting go of judgment...just noticing...and the work is a tool to deal with the judgements (stories) that persist. I question them, and they let go...or not. Cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Dear ac, >>>>> God is everything; God is good. .... >>>> ***If you experienced the above statement as true (god is >>>> everything, god is good), you wouldnt experience stress or >>>> fear.... .... > Sometimes I feel fear much before I am > aware of any 'story'! How do you know it is " fear " , then? I am not talking semantics. When I call it something, I put a story on top of " what is " . If I label it, I create it. I experience a feeling, I notice a movement. And it is " fear " . Who would I be in this moment, how would I experience this moment, if I did not know it is " fear " . How would I experience this, if I felt it for the first time? I don't remember when I experienced " fear " the last time. I don't remember when I experienced " sadness " the last time. " pain " ... the same. Whenever one of these feelings comes up, I look at them with interest: is this what I remember as " fear " or is there a difference, even if it is only slightly different? When I notice anger arising, and I look at it with interest, it ... shifts. Feelings are not personal. What about reflexes? What is a " reflex " ? It's something that my body does by itself, without any control whatsoever from my part. And if I don't identify with my body, " control " isn't an issue, anymore. However, reflexes are not preceded by thoughts. Still I can inquire into my thoughts *after* the reflex was noticed. Eventually, I come to see that I can always inquire the past, only. Oh, whatever, I've gotta have some breakfast. bye, love, ___________________________________________________________ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Hmmm... The feeling doesn't change, but the story around that feeling does change, and thus it is interpreted differently. You can be in " fear " *and* joy (love) at the same time. Now, *if* I am at the point where I do experience fear, and don't accept is as " God " , I'll get pain on top of the fear. Yes, stress is a hint that there's an uninvestigated story hanging around, and I may not be " able " to investigate it at the moment. In that case I can just deal with the stress or I try to use the pain to get rid of the stress (wich never worked for me). Loving and looking forward towards experiencing stress eventually leads me to undo it. And until I am at the point where I can love to be insane, I wouldn't go for: if I experience stress, I am insane. And I wouldn't tell anyone that I was insane if I believed what he does believe. For my own shake. Everything is God, and the only thing that exists is that wich is in front of me. And not even that. Looking at the world without any story is ... just peace. Love, >> ***If you experienced the above statement as true (god is >> everything, god is good), you wouldnt experience stress or >> fear....we experience stress and fear exactly because we do not >> believe that god is good and god is everything. stress and fear >> exist to wake us up to the fact that we are attached to, are >> believing, a stressful thought, a lie. so, yes...stress or fear >> are our 'friends'....as katie says, they are the alarm that can >> wake us up to the fact that we are attached to a painful thought >> and can use the work to wake ourselves up. > Absolutely brilliant response > > As says " Sanity doesn't suffer, ever . . . ever! " . If I am > experiencing stress or fear I am literally insane, and it's time to > do the Work if I want to be sane again. Stress and fear have no > existence in the presence of truth, so it is absolutely insane to > suggest that fear and stress are part of God. -isms like " God > is everything. God is good. " are very open to gross > misinterpretations unless the reader has a firm grounding in the > Work and 's metaphysical position. As I understand it what > is actually saying in this quote is terrifying to our ego. If > God is everything, then this world has no real existence, it's just > a dream. It's like the ACIM statement " Nothing real can be > threatened. Nothing unreal exists. Herein lies the peace of God. " > Since everything in this world can be threatened, it is all unreal > and does not exist. > Oh well off to play golf for the next two days, look forward to > hearing some more from you when I get back. ___________________________________________________________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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