Re: When *work* may not *work* !

[Guest guest]

hi ltw

you wrote

Someone could cut off both

> your arms and you could be totally at peace, because the CAUSE of

> ALL our suffering is our internal stories/thoughts.

imho i find this kind of example not helpful as it is way too

far away from daily life. do you know such a person personally?

lr

this is the revised version as i made a grammatical error into the

first one. (in case it pops up on the daily digest)

> >

> > Your story is causing you to be fearful. The man is doing

nothing.

> >

>

> Hi Adithya,

>

> This line from Vivian is pure gold. Our happiness or unhappiness

is

> ONLY effected by the stories/thoughts we believe, NOTHING that

> happens in the world has an effect on us. Someone could cut off

both

> your arms and you could be totally at peace, because the CAUSE of

> ALL our suffering is our internal stories/thoughts.

> May I suggest that you print out Vivian's line and stick it on

your

> computer, your fridge etc. to remind you of the truth just in case

> you forget!

>

> Have a beautiful day

>

>

> " It's pretty scary, because it means you've been wrong for your

> whole life. Welcome to heaven. This is where it begins, in

> humility. " I am wrong. I've been confused. " Byron

>

[Guest guest]

Dear AC:

I agree, The Work may not Work if my belief is that what I am

perceiving in another person is true and I do The Work with the

motive of changing the other person rather than wanting to know what

is true.

While reading your post, I am reminded of the following Quote:

" If I think you are my problem, I am insane. "

As Vivian said so well, All I can evr know about another is my story

about them. If I judge them, I am actually juding myself (i.e: my

story of them). If I think there is a problem, then there is a

problem....but it is not in my perception, but in my thinking. If

you really want to know the Truth, then ask The One who knows the

Truth (your Heart) and He will answer you. In other words, do The

Work on your thoughts.

Blessings, Steve D.

> >

> > I have seen that work [like many other

> > things] can easily be used to " argue

> > against reality " than as instrument to

> > get in sync with reality! Consider

> > following example:

> >

> > A man in your [my] office looks tense,

> > stiff, tight when he is around you, he

> > doesn't smile and when he does his

> > smile looks fake! And, you think

> > maybe this guy is not thinking good of

> > me, maybe, he is thinking ill of me,

> > maybe, he is going to harm me!

> >

> > And, then you go to do the *work*

> > on the lines of... Is it true that he

> > intends to harm me?

> >

> > And, that is where you have " lost "

> > it!!!

> >

> >

> > He is very unlikely to tell you in

> > straightforward, honest, frank and

> > direct way what he is really thinking

> > and what is thinking of doing. Like

> > you, he too is afraid. Like you, he too

> > is concerned for himself! And, fear and

> > honesty rarely live together! It is

> > very hard for a *fearful* man to be

> > really truthful, honest and forthcoming!

> >

> > An 'indication', a 'hint', a 'clue' is

> > pretty much all you are going to ever

> > get! These are 'early signs' for likely

> > future events just like the clouds are

> > early signal for incoming rain!

> >

> > Say, you see some clouds on the

> > horizon and suspect it is going to

> > rain... and, you start asking questions

> > like: 1. Is it true that it is going to

> > rain? 2. Can I absolutely know that it

> > is going to rain?

> >

> > Of course, [in most cases] you can not

> > absolutely know that even weather men

> > with million dollar radar and satellite

> > often don't really know that - still,

> > it will be foolish to not carry an

> > umbrella!

> >

> >

> > I have seen that people sometimes,

> > use things like *work* as an escape

> > from the reality rather than the real

> > facing up to the reality! If a man in

> > your office turn stiff, tense o seeing

> > you, his body closes, his mouth

> > stiffens, his smile disappears - it is

> > clear [enough] sign that he is not

> > 'comfortable' with you, he is not

> > friendly and pen with you and he might

> > possibly harm me! It is especially

> > true, if it happens frequently and

> > repeatedly!

> >

> > Stop kidding yourself and

> > face the reality that - yes, this man

> > may not really like me! See, if you can

> > find out the reasons behind it, see if

> > you can do something to change it or...

> > see, if you can do something to prepare

> > for the *event* when that man does in

> > fact do something to harm you!

> >

> > Your [my] experience in corporate

> > world must have given you several

> > example that these 'non verbal' 'clues'

> > are sometimes all you have to work on

> > and in a majority cases, they do in

> > fact indicate an 'underlying' issue and

> > problem! Don't ignore this valuable

> > information for the sake of *doing

> > work*! All you are [ I am] really doing

> > in that case is in fact, using work to

> > *ignore* the Reality!

> >

> > A salesman, a negotiator, a debater, a

> > communication expert can easily tell

> > you me] that the 'body language', 'tone

> > of voice' is often all they have to

> > 'predict' client's inner state and

> > potential outcome! They might also tell

> > you that ignoring those 'non verbal'

> > clues can prove disastrous in their

> > profession! And, yes, ignoring 'subtle'

> > 'non verbal' 'clues' in the name of

> > *work* could be *disastrous* in other

> > professions and personal relationships

> > too...

> >

>

[Guest guest]

ac, others have responded to your mail already, i have some additional

thoughts " nevertheless " .

i know what you mean. we have more than a few senses and we sense

people. there's people which " pretend " to be clear sighted and they

describe different perceptions as well. then there comes into my mind

the work of an brennan (hope i remember her name correctly), which has

in one of her books drawings of energy movements between people.

the thing is, u can be even very right, with what you sense, and

independend of the other is willing to talk about it or not it is what

is going on inside of u what matters. here is " the story " u can work

with. through The Work or with other " tools " . doesn't matter as long

as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness.

may this be supportive, lr

>

> I have seen that work [like many other

> things] can easily be used to " argue

> against reality " than as instrument to

[...]

[Guest guest]

hm. vivian, thanks for u'r input. i agree with, the point is still

valid. i'm not fully sure if i agree with the headache story. i am a

person which has often pain as i am disabled. it depend's on if i

put my focus of attention/awareness on it if i notice it or not.

while writing to u i examine it, i notice i can split my awareness,

sensing the pain in my belly and writing to u. when i fully dive

into writing to u, concentrate on that and put all thoughts to it, i

don't notice the spasms in my belly.

this is a report of this very moment. will make some

further " tests " . lr

> Yes, it was an extreme example. But the point is still valid.

> Let's say you have a bad headache. REally hurts. Then a friend

comes over and you start talking.

> You might realize that while your friend was there you had no

awareness of the headache even though it begins hurting again once

the person leaves.

> Without the thought my head hurts, I have no headache.

>

> Vivian

> Re: When *work* may not *work* !

>

>

>

> hi ltw

>

> you wrote

>

> Someone could cut off both

> > your arms and you could be totally at peace, because the CAUSE

of

> > ALL our suffering is our internal stories/thoughts.

>

> imho i don't find this kind of example not helpful as it is way

too

> far away from daily life. do you know such a person personally?

>

> lr

>

> > >

> > > Your story is causing you to be fearful. The man is doing

> nothing.

> > >

> >

> > Hi Adithya,

> >

> > This line from Vivian is pure gold. Our happiness or

unhappiness

> is

> > ONLY effected by the stories/thoughts we believe, NOTHING that

> > happens in the world has an effect on us. Someone could cut

off

> both

> > your arms and you could be totally at peace, because the CAUSE

of

> > ALL our suffering is our internal stories/thoughts.

> > May I suggest that you print out Vivian's line and stick it on

> your

> > computer, your fridge etc. to remind you of the truth just in

case

> > you forget!

> >

> > Have a beautiful day

> >

> >

> > " It's pretty scary, because it means you've been wrong for

your

> > whole life. Welcome to heaven. This is where it begins, in

> > humility. " I am wrong. I've been confused. " Byron

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

ok. i hear you. on the physical " plane " this body is disabled, if i

think about it or not. others will see it (if they look at me), with

their pysical eyes.

> I heard work once with a woman with cancer. They talked

about how the woman felt while she was doing happy things such as

being with a friend. asked if the woman noticed her cancer

while busy with other things and she said no.

> 's response was, Then during that time there is NO cancer.

> According to her, you are only disabled when you have the thought

that you are.

>

> Vivian

> Re: When *work* may not *work* !

> >

> >

> >

> > hi ltw

> >

> > you wrote

> >

> > Someone could cut off both

> > > your arms and you could be totally at peace, because the

CAUSE

> of

> > > ALL our suffering is our internal stories/thoughts.

> >

> > imho i don't find this kind of example not helpful as it is

way

> too

> > far away from daily life. do you know such a person personally?

> >

> > lr

> >

> > > >

> > > > Your story is causing you to be fearful. The man is doing

> > nothing.

> > > >

> > >

> > > Hi Adithya,

> > >

> > > This line from Vivian is pure gold. Our happiness or

> unhappiness

> > is

> > > ONLY effected by the stories/thoughts we believe, NOTHING

that

> > > happens in the world has an effect on us. Someone could cut

> off

> > both

> > > your arms and you could be totally at peace, because the

CAUSE

> of

> > > ALL our suffering is our internal stories/thoughts.

> > > May I suggest that you print out Vivian's line and stick it

on

> > your

> > > computer, your fridge etc. to remind you of the truth just

in

> case

> > > you forget!

> > >

> > > Have a beautiful day

> > >

> > >

> > > " It's pretty scary, because it means you've been wrong for

> your

> > > whole life. Welcome to heaven. This is where it begins, in

> > > humility. " I am wrong. I've been confused. " Byron

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Rose,

I totally agree with your statement:

" the thing is, u can be even very right, with what you sense, and

independend of the other is willing to talk about it or not it is what

is going on inside of u what matters. here is " the story " u can work

with. through The Work or with other " tools " . doesn't matter as long

as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness. "

For me, it matters not whether I am right or wrong with my

perceptions. What is important is how it makes me feel. If it does

not give me a peaceful feeling then I do Thw work to find where I am

confused.

Love, Steve

>

> ac, others have responded to your mail already, i have some

additional

> thoughts " nevertheless " .

> i know what you mean. we have more than a few senses and we sense

> people. there's people which " pretend " to be clear sighted and they

> describe different perceptions as well. then there comes into my

mind

> the work of an brennan (hope i remember her name correctly), which

has

> in one of her books drawings of energy movements between people.

> the thing is, u can be even very right, with what you sense, and

> independend of the other is willing to talk about it or not it is

what

> is going on inside of u what matters. here is " the story " u can

work

> with. through The Work or with other " tools " . doesn't matter as

long

> as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness.

>

> may this be supportive, lr

>

>

>

>

> >

> > I have seen that work [like many other

> > things] can easily be used to " argue

> > against reality " than as instrument to

>

> [...]

>

[Guest guest]

Vivian,

Yes, exactly! Without the thought, no pain.

Blessings, Steve

>

> Yes, it was an extreme example. But the point is still valid.

> Let's say you have a bad headache. REally hurts. Then a friend

comes over and you start talking.

> You might realize that while your friend was there you had no

awareness of the headache even though it begins hurting again once

the person leaves.

> Without the thought my head hurts, I have no headache.

>

> Vivian

> Re: When *work* may not *work* !

>

>

>

> hi ltw

>

> you wrote

>

> Someone could cut off both

> > your arms and you could be totally at peace, because the CAUSE

of

> > ALL our suffering is our internal stories/thoughts.

>

> imho i don't find this kind of example not helpful as it is way

too

> far away from daily life. do you know such a person personally?

>

> lr

>

> > >

> > > Your story is causing you to be fearful. The man is doing

> nothing.

> > >

> >

> > Hi Adithya,

> >

> > This line from Vivian is pure gold. Our happiness or

unhappiness

> is

> > ONLY effected by the stories/thoughts we believe, NOTHING that

> > happens in the world has an effect on us. Someone could cut off

> both

> > your arms and you could be totally at peace, because the CAUSE

of

> > ALL our suffering is our internal stories/thoughts.

> > May I suggest that you print out Vivian's line and stick it on

> your

> > computer, your fridge etc. to remind you of the truth just in

case

> > you forget!

> >

> > Have a beautiful day

> >

> >

> > " It's pretty scary, because it means you've been wrong for your

> > whole life. Welcome to heaven. This is where it begins, in

> > humility. " I am wrong. I've been confused. " Byron

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

thanks steve, and we are here (in this list) because we want to ease

our pain/get less confused, find our truth (whatever

order/succession). this is the premise, isn't it. blessings, r

>

> Rose,

>

> I totally agree with your statement:

>

> " the thing is, u can be even very right, with what you sense, and

> independend of the other is willing to talk about it or not it is

what

> is going on inside of u what matters. here is " the story " u can

work

> with. through The Work or with other " tools " . doesn't matter as

long

> as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness. "

>

> For me, it matters not whether I am right or wrong with my

> perceptions. What is important is how it makes me feel. If it

does

> not give me a peaceful feeling then I do Thw work to find where I

am

> confused.

>

> Love, Steve

>

> >

> > ac, others have responded to your mail already, i have some

> additional

> > thoughts " nevertheless " .

> > i know what you mean. we have more than a few senses and we

sense

> > people. there's people which " pretend " to be clear sighted and

they

> > describe different perceptions as well. then there comes into my

> mind

> > the work of an brennan (hope i remember her name correctly),

which

> has

> > in one of her books drawings of energy movements between people.

> > the thing is, u can be even very right, with what you sense, and

> > independend of the other is willing to talk about it or not it

is

> what

> > is going on inside of u what matters. here is " the story " u can

> work

> > with. through The Work or with other " tools " . doesn't matter as

> long

> > as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness.

> >

> > may this be supportive, lr

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > I have seen that work [like many other

> > > things] can easily be used to " argue

> > > against reality " than as instrument to

> >

> > [...]

> >

>

[Guest guest]

i think this is tami's opignion. thanks for sharing.

> Rose

> 2-3 posts a day would be more than enough

> What do you think?

>

>

>

> -- Re: When *work* may not *work* !

>

> thanks steve, and we are here (in this list) because we want to

ease

> our pain/get less confused, find our truth (whatever

> order/succession). this is the premise, isn't it. blessings, r

> >

> > Rose,

> >

> > I totally agree with your statement:

> >

> > " the thing is, u can be even very right, with what you sense, and

> > independend of the other is willing to talk about it or not it

is

> what

> > is going on inside of u what matters. here is " the story " u can

> work

> > with. through The Work or with other " tools " . doesn't matter as

> long

> > as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness. "

> >

> > For me, it matters not whether I am right or wrong with my

> > perceptions. What is important is how it makes me feel. If it

> does

> > not give me a peaceful feeling then I do Thw work to find where

I

> am

> > confused.

> >

> > Love, Steve

> >

> > >

> > > ac, others have responded to your mail already, i have some

> > additional

> > > thoughts " nevertheless " .

> > > i know what you mean. we have more than a few senses and we

> sense

> > > people. there's people which " pretend " to be clear sighted and

> they

> > > describe different perceptions as well. then there comes into

my

> > mind

> > > the work of an brennan (hope i remember her name correctly),

> which

> > has

> > > in one of her books drawings of energy movements between

people.

> > > the thing is, u can be even very right, with what you sense,

and

> > > independend of the other is willing to talk about it or not it

> is

> > what

> > > is going on inside of u what matters. here is " the story " u

can

> > work

> > > with. through The Work or with other " tools " . doesn't matter

as

> > long

> > > as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness.

> > >

> > > may this be supportive, lr

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I have seen that work [like many other

> > > > things] can easily be used to " argue

> > > > against reality " than as instrument to

> > >

> > > [...]

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

vivian this is from the description on the " home " of this

site. " Be warned that some people don't take themselves seriously,

here. lr

>

> Are you serious? Why would you think it appropriate to limit

anyone? How is that in any way in keeping with The Work?

>

> Vivian

> Re: When *work* may not *work* !

>

> thanks steve, and we are here (in this list) because we want to

ease

> our pain/get less confused, find our truth (whatever

> order/succession). this is the premise, isn't it. blessings, r

> >

> > Rose,

> >

> > I totally agree with your statement:

> >

> > " the thing is, u can be even very right, with what you sense,

and

> > independend of the other is willing to talk about it or not it

is

> what

> > is going on inside of u what matters. here is " the story " u

can

> work

> > with. through The Work or with other " tools " . doesn't matter

as

> long

> > as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness. "

> >

> > For me, it matters not whether I am right or wrong with my

> > perceptions. What is important is how it makes me feel. If it

> does

> > not give me a peaceful feeling then I do Thw work to find

where I

> am

> > confused.

> >

> > Love, Steve

> >

> > >

> > > ac, others have responded to your mail already, i have some

> > additional

> > > thoughts " nevertheless " .

> > > i know what you mean. we have more than a few senses and we

> sense

> > > people. there's people which " pretend " to be clear sighted

and

> they

> > > describe different perceptions as well. then there comes

into my

> > mind

> > > the work of an brennan (hope i remember her name correctly),

> which

> > has

> > > in one of her books drawings of energy movements between

people.

> > > the thing is, u can be even very right, with what you sense,

and

> > > independend of the other is willing to talk about it or not

it

> is

> > what

> > > is going on inside of u what matters. here is " the story " u

can

> > work

> > > with. through The Work or with other " tools " . doesn't matter

as

> > long

> > > as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness.

> > >

> > > may this be supportive, lr

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I have seen that work [like many other

> > > > things] can easily be used to " argue

> > > > against reality " than as instrument to

> > >

> > > [...]

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi again, vivian.

> their response to you is about them, not about you.

i agree.

I would assume it varies depending on the person.

i join you in this.

> if you see someone react to you and you attach to that, then that

is where your pain lies and that is where you need to do The Work.

yes i agree. in " normal terms " /frameworks (whatever this might be),

a person like rose is considered to be a poor being. a handicapped

one.

my body was " normal " for about 42 yrs. now it's got a

different " normality " i can happily live with this changed version.

that is the main point in it. no matter if it's aching

(physically) or not. lr

>

> vivian

> Re: When *work* may not *work* !

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > hi ltw

> > >

> > > you wrote

> > >

> > > Someone could cut off both

> > > > your arms and you could be totally at peace, because the

> CAUSE

> > of

> > > > ALL our suffering is our internal stories/thoughts.

> > >

> > > imho i don't find this kind of example not helpful as it is

> way

> > too

> > > far away from daily life. do you know such a person

personally?

> > >

> > > lr

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Your story is causing you to be fearful. The man is

doing

> > > nothing.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi Adithya,

> > > >

> > > > This line from Vivian is pure gold. Our happiness or

> > unhappiness

> > > is

> > > > ONLY effected by the stories/thoughts we believe, NOTHING

> that

> > > > happens in the world has an effect on us. Someone could

cut

> > off

> > > both

> > > > your arms and you could be totally at peace, because the

> CAUSE

> > of

> > > > ALL our suffering is our internal stories/thoughts.

> > > > May I suggest that you print out Vivian's line and stick

it

> on

> > > your

> > > > computer, your fridge etc. to remind you of the truth just

> in

> > case

> > > > you forget!

> > > >

> > > > Have a beautiful day

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " It's pretty scary, because it means you've been wrong for

> > your

> > > > whole life. Welcome to heaven. This is where it begins, in

> > > > humility. " I am wrong. I've been confused. " Byron

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

tami, there is such an urge within me to respond once again. i did

the threefold Rittberger of meditation about your question. still i

can't find any other answer than before. can u help??? as i said.

there is so veeeeery much urgeny in me. lr

> Rose

> 2-3 posts a day would be more than enough

> What do you think?

>

>

>

> -- Re: When *work* may not *work* !

>

> thanks steve, and we are here (in this list) because we want to

ease

> our pain/get less confused, find our truth (whatever

> order/succession). this is the premise, isn't it. blessings, r

> >

> > Rose,

> >

> > I totally agree with your statement:

> >

> > " the thing is, u can be even very right, with what you sense, and

> > independend of the other is willing to talk about it or not it

is

> what

> > is going on inside of u what matters. here is " the story " u can

> work

> > with. through The Work or with other " tools " . doesn't matter as

> long

> > as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness. "

> >

> > For me, it matters not whether I am right or wrong with my

> > perceptions. What is important is how it makes me feel. If it

> does

> > not give me a peaceful feeling then I do Thw work to find where

I

> am

> > confused.

> >

> > Love, Steve

> >

> > >

> > > ac, others have responded to your mail already, i have some

> > additional

> > > thoughts " nevertheless " .

> > > i know what you mean. we have more than a few senses and we

> sense

> > > people. there's people which " pretend " to be clear sighted and

> they

> > > describe different perceptions as well. then there comes into

my

> > mind

> > > the work of an brennan (hope i remember her name correctly),

> which

> > has

> > > in one of her books drawings of energy movements between

people.

> > > the thing is, u can be even very right, with what you sense,

and

> > > independend of the other is willing to talk about it or not it

> is

> > what

> > > is going on inside of u what matters. here is " the story " u

can

> > work

> > > with. through The Work or with other " tools " . doesn't matter

as

> > long

> > > as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness.

> > >

> > > may this be supportive, lr

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I have seen that work [like many other

> > > > things] can easily be used to " argue

> > > > against reality " than as instrument to

> > >

> > > [...]

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Whatever Rose does it perfect. If Rose did 10,000

> posts per day, in one of them might be the thought

> that I have been waiting for all my life.

*** so here we go:

frank wrote:

> it is difficult to accept that everything about me is a story.

is that true?

nice words of your's beautiful poppy. lr )

>

> Rose is my teacher, Tami is my teacher. Hitler is my

> teacher, the Dahli Lama is my teacher. Night is my

> teacher, day is my teacher. Health is my teacher,

> sickness is my teacher.

>

> When I am in the flow of what is, teachers appear as

> readily and as beautifully as red poppies in the

> spring fields of France. What is in it for me to

> resist anything? Only suffering.

>

> B

>

> --- Tami wrote:

>

> > Rose

> > 2-3 posts a day would be more than enough

> > What do you think?

> >

> >

> >

> > -- Re: When *work* may not

> > *work* !

> >

> > thanks steve, and we are here (in this list) because

> > we want to ease

> > our pain/get less confused, find our truth (whatever

> >

> > order/succession). this is the premise, isn't it.

> > blessings, r

> > >

> > > Rose,

> > >

> > > I totally agree with your statement:

> > >

> > > " the thing is, u can be even very right, with what

> > you sense, and

> > > independend of the other is willing to talk about

> > it or not it is

> > what

> > > is going on inside of u what matters. here is " the

> > story " u can

> > work

> > > with. through The Work or with other " tools " .

> > doesn't matter as

> > long

> > > as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness. "

> > >

> > > For me, it matters not whether I am right or wrong

> > with my

> > > perceptions. What is important is how it makes me

> > feel. If it

> > does

> > > not give me a peaceful feeling then I do Thw work

> > to find where I

> > am

> > > confused.

> > >

> > > Love, Steve

> > >

> > > >

> > > > ac, others have responded to your mail already,

> > i have some

> > > additional

> > > > thoughts " nevertheless " .

> > > > i know what you mean. we have more than a few

> > senses and we

> > sense

> > > > people. there's people which " pretend " to be

> > clear sighted and

> > they

> > > > describe different perceptions as well. then

> > there comes into my

> > > mind

> > > > the work of an brennan (hope i remember her name

> > correctly),

> > which

> > > has

> > > > in one of her books drawings of energy movements

> > between people.

> > > > the thing is, u can be even very right, with

> > what you sense, and

> > > > independend of the other is willing to talk

> > about it or not it

> > is

> > > what

> > > > is going on inside of u what matters. here is

> > " the story " u can

> > > work

> > > > with. through The Work or with other " tools " .

> > doesn't matter as

> > > long

> > > > as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness.

> > > >

> > > > may this be supportive, lr

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I have seen that work [like many other

> > > > > things] can easily be used to " argue

> > > > > against reality " than as instrument to

> > > >

> > > > [...]

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

>

> " If I think you are my problem, I am insane. "

>

> As Vivian said so well, All I can ever know about another is my

> story about them. If I judge them, I am actually juding myself

> (i.e: my story of them). If I think there is a problem, then

> there is a problem....but it is not in my perception, but in my

> thinking. If you really want to know the Truth, then ask The One

> who knows the Truth (your Heart) and He will answer you. In other

> words, do The Work on your thoughts.

>

Ahhhhh .... vintage Steve D.

This one is definitely a keeper

Have a beautiful day

" There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

Byron

[Guest guest]

>

> I heard work once with a woman with cancer. They talked about

> how the woman felt while she was doing happy things such as being

> with a friend. asked if the woman noticed her cancer while

> busy with other things and she said no.

> 's response was, Then during that time there is NO cancer.

> According to her, you are only disabled when you have the thought

> that you are.

>

Oh ... this is pure gold Vivian

is a very lucky man to have a gem of a wife like you. Just my

story, but it is a happy one so I will keep it.

Have a gorgeous day

" So, I say, question what you believe and love where you're at.

There's nothing to fear but what we believe. " Byron

[Guest guest]

>

> It is difficult to accept that everything about me is

> a story. It was a major hurdle for me, and friends

> bristled when I suggesed their lives are just a story.

> I have stopped saying that to people, but not to

> myself.

>

> A subject that I have investigated at length is

> choice. Do we have choice?

>

Hi ,

Just love your thoughts on how our life is just a story

As to the question of whether or not we REALLY choose, well that is

an interesting one. once made this comment:

" I am not the doer. I'm just telling the story. "

Maybe decisions just happen, and then I tell the story about how I

had something to do with it. Maybe " choice " is just another

illusionary concept, that has no existence in reality. But if choice

is an illusion it sure is a powerful one, because it definitely

seems like I choose to do stuff like eating, sleeping etc.

Just some thoughts

" Meeting your thoughts with inquiry allows you to meet your partner

with understanding. What determines the quality of your relationship

with her is not what you think about her but whether you believe

what you think about her. " Byron

[Guest guest]

I need your love is that true..

I have the same thoughts around co workers and clients.. im a care

giver.. this morning the caregiver who relieved me said

i should be more strict with a client and was really angry .. well

maybe i should

im a wimp.. well if i lose that job so be it..

i only work there one day next week.. my thought was maybe it will be

my last day. and if it is ok.. so be it..

I guess for you it is not that easy.

maybe I need to keep losing clients as it is something that has always

bothered me and so i guess it will keep happening till i change my

thinking.. or something.. i really dont know.

i need to love me anyway.

maybe its the universe saying i need a new job.. and if it gets worse

i guess i will so far it isnt that bad.

maybe the guy just is reacting that way because he feels you dont like

him..

oh well, rh

-- In Loving-what-is , " adithya_comming "

wrote:

>

> I have seen that work [like many other

> things] can easily be used to " argue

> against reality " than as instrument to

> get in sync with reality! Consider

> following example:

>

> A man in your [my] office looks tense,

> stiff, tight when he is around you, he

> doesn't smile and when he does his

> smile looks fake! And, you think

> maybe this guy is not thinking good of

> me, maybe, he is thinking ill of me,

> maybe, he is going to harm me!

>

> And, then you go to do the *work*

> on the lines of... Is it true that he

> intends to harm me?

>

> And, that is where you have " lost "

> it!!!

>

>

> He is very unlikely to tell you in

> straightforward, honest, frank and

> direct way what he is really thinking

> and what is thinking of doing. Like

> you, he too is afraid. Like you, he too

> is concerned for himself! And, fear and

> honesty rarely live together! It is

> very hard for a *fearful* man to be

> really truthful, honest and forthcoming!

>

> An 'indication', a 'hint', a 'clue' is

> pretty much all you are going to ever

> get! These are 'early signs' for likely

> future events just like the clouds are

> early signal for incoming rain!

>

> Say, you see some clouds on the

> horizon and suspect it is going to

> rain... and, you start asking questions

> like: 1. Is it true that it is going to

> rain? 2. Can I absolutely know that it

> is going to rain?

>

> Of course, [in most cases] you can not

> absolutely know that even weather men

> with million dollar radar and satellite

> often don't really know that - still,

> it will be foolish to not carry an

> umbrella!

>

>

> I have seen that people sometimes,

> use things like *work* as an escape

> from the reality rather than the real

> facing up to the reality! If a man in

> your office turn stiff, tense o seeing

> you, his body closes, his mouth

> stiffens, his smile disappears - it is

> clear [enough] sign that he is not

> 'comfortable' with you, he is not

> friendly and pen with you and he might

> possibly harm me! It is especially

> true, if it happens frequently and

> repeatedly!

>

> Stop kidding yourself and

> face the reality that - yes, this man

> may not really like me! See, if you can

> find out the reasons behind it, see if

> you can do something to change it or...

> see, if you can do something to prepare

> for the *event* when that man does in

> fact do something to harm you!

>

> Your [my] experience in corporate

> world must have given you several

> example that these 'non verbal' 'clues'

> are sometimes all you have to work on

> and in a majority cases, they do in

> fact indicate an 'underlying' issue and

> problem! Don't ignore this valuable

> information for the sake of *doing

> work*! All you are [ I am] really doing

> in that case is in fact, using work to

> *ignore* the Reality!

>

> A salesman, a negotiator, a debater, a

> communication expert can easily tell

> you me] that the 'body language', 'tone

> of voice' is often all they have to

> 'predict' client's inner state and

> potential outcome! They might also tell

> you that ignoring those 'non verbal'

> clues can prove disastrous in their

> profession! And, yes, ignoring 'subtle'

> 'non verbal' 'clues' in the name of

> *work* could be *disastrous* in other

> professions and personal relationships

> too...

>

[Guest guest]

tami.. takes one to know one..

if you think she should limit emails you should..

ok i should..

i dont think anyone should.. rh

-- In Loving-what-is , Tami wrote:

>

> Rose

> 2-3 posts a day would be more than enough

> What do you think?

>

>

>

> -- Re: When *work* may not *work* !

>

> thanks steve, and we are here (in this list) because we want to ease

> our pain/get less confused, find our truth (whatever

> order/succession). this is the premise, isn't it. blessings, r

> >

> > Rose,

> >

> > I totally agree with your statement:

> >

> > " the thing is, u can be even very right, with what you sense, and

> > independend of the other is willing to talk about it or not it is

> what

> > is going on inside of u what matters. here is " the story " u can

> work

> > with. through The Work or with other " tools " . doesn't matter as

> long

> > as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness. "

> >

> > For me, it matters not whether I am right or wrong with my

> > perceptions. What is important is how it makes me feel. If it

> does

> > not give me a peaceful feeling then I do Thw work to find where I

> am

> > confused.

> >

> > Love, Steve

> >

> > >

> > > ac, others have responded to your mail already, i have some

> > additional

> > > thoughts " nevertheless " .

> > > i know what you mean. we have more than a few senses and we

> sense

> > > people. there's people which " pretend " to be clear sighted and

> they

> > > describe different perceptions as well. then there comes into my

> > mind

> > > the work of an brennan (hope i remember her name correctly),

> which

> > has

> > > in one of her books drawings of energy movements between people.

> > > the thing is, u can be even very right, with what you sense, and

> > > independend of the other is willing to talk about it or not it

> is

> > what

> > > is going on inside of u what matters. here is " the story " u can

> > work

> > > with. through The Work or with other " tools " . doesn't matter as

> > long

> > > as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness.

> > >

> > > may this be supportive, lr

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I have seen that work [like many other

> > > > things] can easily be used to " argue

> > > > against reality " than as instrument to

> > >

> > > [...]

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>