Re: Re: FW: ABORTED FETAL TISSUE IN FOODS

[Guest guest]

The " natural order of things " is that people's lifespan used to be 40 to 50. The fact that this has almost doubled can be attributed to scientific discoveries infused into clinical applications such as those described in the article. 

Entire diseases have been eradicated and others significantly minimized due to scientific inquiry that involves experimentation.Indeed a sensationalistic heading that bears minimum relevance in an advocacy group such as this.

I am personally donating every single one of my organs to science when I die. I can't take them with me and rotting underground just as those of fetal tissue won't help the world in any way and it won't help future generations of children with special needs who might benefit from tissue transplants or whatever else God has in store for well intended science.

Goswitz

[Guest guest]

So they are buying aborted fetal tissue to test the flavor.  I still find this immoral.  IMO.

[Guest guest]

i am not "getting this".. can some one post what exactly they are doing with the tissues.. i am not getting it..

sorry if i am dumb

Subject: Re: Re: FW: ABORTED FETAL TISSUE IN FOODSTo: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Date: Friday, May 6, 2011, 6:41 PM

The "natural order of things" is that people's lifespan used to be 40 to 50. The fact that this has almost doubled can be attributed to scientific discoveries infused into clinical applications such as those described in the article.

Entire diseases have been eradicated and others significantly minimized due to scientific inquiry that involves experimentation.

Indeed a sensationalistic heading that bears minimum relevance in an advocacy group such as this.

I am personally donating every single one of my organs to science when I die. I can't take them with me and rotting underground just as those of fetal tissue won't help the world in any way and it won't help future generations of children with special needs who might benefit from tissue transplants or whatever else God has in store for well intended science.

Goswitz

[Guest guest]

Okay.  Simply put, companies buy aborted fetal tissue wherever they can get it.  this includes vaccine manufacturers who use some of the DNA protein to make vaccines with it.  a lot of it gets sold for research.This particular company, as I understand it, buys the tissue and uses a portion of the kidney cells and they use it in such a way as to test the flavor of certain foods as companies want to make foods flavorful using less sugar and fat.

Simply put, supporting any company who buys aborted fetal tissue for any purpose is indirectly supporting abortion.  If they can't get it, they can't use it.It is the same thing that angers me about people who through blood on people who wear fur -- all the while they stand their in their leather shoes.

While I am of the mind that it is a woman's body and should be a decision between her and her doctor and government should BUTT OUT of our bodies, I also don't feel like supporting the sale of the tissue.

I would NEVER buy a baby seal coat.  On the other hand minks are raised for their coats and preserving the species is vital to that industry (though I doubt I would wear that coat either.  However, a few years back a beaver showed up and destroyed over 100 trees on our property.  their fur, when sheared, is extremely soft.  whenever I see someone wearing a beaver jacket, all I can think about is all the trees that have been spared!

It all comes down to what your beliefs can handle.  If you think that tissue is just tissue and was not a human being whose life was ended, then it is just tissue,right?  But many hold the belief that these were human beings and that they should receive a proper burial and not be sold for any kind of study.

For myself, I want to move toward eating what I grow and what I raise and what I milk myself.  Ted Nugent began doing this a long time ago.  He eats NOTHING he doesn't grow or raise.  This way, you know what you put on the plants and what you fed the animal.    Fresh, home cooked is best, and the foods they are referring to in this article are processed -- not really good for anyone anyway.

[Guest guest]

thank you

i just didn't understand how it was happening.. i guess it is just "so crazy sounding' it wasn't making sense..

thanks

Subject: Re: Re: FW: ABORTED FETAL TISSUE IN FOODSTo: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Date: Friday, May 6, 2011, 10:07 PM

Okay. Simply put, companies buy aborted fetal tissue wherever they can get it. this includes vaccine manufacturers who use some of the DNA protein to make vaccines with it. a lot of it gets sold for research.This particular company, as I understand it, buys the tissue and uses a portion of the kidney cells and they use it in such a way as to test the flavor of certain foods as companies want to make foods flavorful using less sugar and fat.Simply put, supporting any company who buys aborted fetal tissue for any purpose is indirectly supporting abortion. If they can't get it, they can't use it.It is the same thing that angers me about people who through blood on people who wear fur -- all the while they stand their in their leather shoes.While I am of the mind that it is a woman's body and should be a decision between her and her doctor and government should BUTT OUT of our bodies, I also don't

feel like supporting the sale of the tissue.I would NEVER buy a baby seal coat. On the other hand minks are raised for their coats and preserving the species is vital to that industry (though I doubt I would wear that coat either. However, a few years back a beaver showed up and destroyed over 100 trees on our property. their fur, when sheared, is extremely soft. whenever I see someone wearing a beaver jacket, all I can think about is all the trees that have been spared!It all comes down to what your beliefs can handle. If you think that tissue is just tissue and was not a human being whose life was ended, then it is just tissue,right? But many hold the belief that these were human beings and that they should receive a proper burial and not be sold for any kind of study.For myself, I want to move toward eating what I grow and what I raise and what I milk myself. Ted Nugent began doing

this a long time ago. He eats NOTHING he doesn't grow or raise. This way, you know what you put on the plants and what you fed the animal. Fresh, home cooked is best, and the foods they are referring to in this article are processed -- not really good for anyone anyway.

[Guest guest]

There isn't really an explosion of autism as people want to believe.The symptoms or behavioral presentation of an ever growing " spectrum " of the label currently used as " Autism " have been around for decades. I indeed have an almost 40 year old sister that I'm 100% certain would be diagnosed as " ASD " today. However, she was labeled MR back when that was the diagnosis for more self-regulated kids (known as High Functioning Autism " today as she is highly verbal but had enormous difficulty learning to read or do any academic work) and sensory seekers/highly disregulated kids received the label of schizophrenia, conduct disorder or simply the catch all MR. I used to watch my sister go to therapy at a multidisciplinary institute on Monday morning and come back on Friday evening, and try to teach her to read but I'd usually just get a bruise on my arm because she wanted me to leave her alone. I saw many of the same kids that attended her rehab institute present similar profiles. You'd have a party when you " found " somebody else who had a family member with special needs, not because there weren't any, because the prevailing attitude worldwide was to hide, disguise or deny a family member with special needs. The reason behind it was that family history was known and accepted thus acceptance implied acknowledgment that there was something wrong with the family (genetics) at large. Indeed, looking back, family history of depression, anxiety, ADHD, LD and a myriad of other issues was indeed prevalent and it still is and my family is no exception.

I also grew up in a family in a small country where everything was grown and harvested in the most natural ways as farmers did not have the money for any " technology " for their produce or dairy. In addition to this, my mother was a ballerina who wouldn't even put salt in our food. All our food (most citizens, not just my family) was devoid of any preservatives, colorants or any kind of artificial additives. That made obesity rare and people like my mother, who at age 70 can swim a mile and walk 5 miles daily and look like she's 40 ... but it did not make the community devoid of a population devoid of special needs. 

I am extremely careful about what I feed my kids and part of my value system is health and natural diets, but I don't think I'm eradicating autism by doing so.Respectfully my 2 cents,

Goswitz

[Guest guest]

so how is the testing done? that is whqt i dont understan. how are these human cells used to make or test flavors? i guess im more into methology of use. for example are they creating flavors and i jecting them into the cells and then another human tastes the flavoring? Sent from my iPhone

thank you

i just didn't understand how it was happening.. i guess it is just "so crazy sounding' it wasn't making sense..

thanks

Subject: Re: Re: FW: ABORTED FETAL TISSUE IN FOODSTo: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Date: Friday, May 6, 2011, 10:07 PM

Okay. Simply put, companies buy aborted fetal tissue wherever they can get it. this includes vaccine manufacturers who use some of the DNA protein to make vaccines with it. a lot of it gets sold for research.This particular company, as I understand it, buys the tissue and uses a portion of the kidney cells and they use it in such a way as to test the flavor of certain foods as companies want to make foods flavorful using less sugar and fat.Simply put, supporting any company who buys aborted fetal tissue for any purpose is indirectly supporting abortion. If they can't get it, they can't use it.It is the same thing that angers me about people who through blood on people who wear fur -- all the while they stand their in their leather shoes.While I am of the mind that it is a woman's body and should be a decision between her and her doctor and government should BUTT OUT of our bodies, I also don't

feel like supporting the sale of the tissue.I would NEVER buy a baby seal coat. On the other hand minks are raised for their coats and preserving the species is vital to that industry (though I doubt I would wear that coat either. However, a few years back a beaver showed up and destroyed over 100 trees on our property. their fur, when sheared, is extremely soft. whenever I see someone wearing a beaver jacket, all I can think about is all the trees that have been spared!It all comes down to what your beliefs can handle. If you think that tissue is just tissue and was not a human being whose life was ended, then it is just tissue,right? But many hold the belief that these were human beings and that they should receive a proper burial and not be sold for any kind of study.For myself, I want to move toward eating what I grow and what I raise and what I milk myself. Ted Nugent began doing

this a long time ago. He eats NOTHING he doesn't grow or raise. This way, you know what you put on the plants and what you fed the animal. Fresh, home cooked is best, and the foods they are referring to in this article are processed -- not really good for anyone anyway.

[Guest guest]

i can see where u r coming from too. my mom has an older brother who is i think 75 this year and was institutionalized when he was 12 and has been ever since. ive talked to my aunt who has custody over him and she thinks he has autism but my mom swears up and down that he was brain damaged due to heat stroke when he was 2. she gets very upset if we bring up autism about her brother. but then she says his oddities didnt appear until he was 4. but its hard to think that specific autistic tendencies are from heat stroke. just didnt know as much back then as they do now. Sent from my iPhone

There isn't really an explosion of autism as people want to believe.The symptoms or behavioral presentation of an ever growing "spectrum" of the label currently used as "Autism" have been around for decades. I indeed have an almost 40 year old sister that I'm 100% certain would be diagnosed as "ASD" today. However, she was labeled MR back when that was the diagnosis for more self-regulated kids (known as High Functioning Autism" today as she is highly verbal but had enormous difficulty learning to read or do any academic work) and sensory seekers/highly disregulated kids received the label of schizophrenia, conduct disorder or simply the catch all MR. I used to watch my sister go to therapy at a multidisciplinary institute on Monday morning and come back on Friday evening, and try to teach her to read but I'd usually just get a bruise on my arm because she wanted me to leave her alone. I saw many of the same kids that attended her rehab institute present similar profiles. You'd have a party when you "found" somebody else who had a family member with special needs, not because there weren't any, because the prevailing attitude worldwide was to hide, disguise or deny a family member with special needs. The reason behind it was that family history was known and accepted thus acceptance implied acknowledgment that there was something wrong with the family (genetics) at large. Indeed, looking back, family history of depression, anxiety, ADHD, LD and a myriad of other issues was indeed prevalent and it still is and my family is no exception.

I also grew up in a family in a small country where everything was grown and harvested in the most natural ways as farmers did not have the money for any "technology" for their produce or dairy. In addition to this, my mother was a ballerina who wouldn't even put salt in our food. All our food (most citizens, not just my family) was devoid of any preservatives, colorants or any kind of artificial additives. That made obesity rare and people like my mother, who at age 70 can swim a mile and walk 5 miles daily and look like she's 40 ... but it did not make the community devoid of a population devoid of special needs.

I am extremely careful about what I feed my kids and part of my value system is health and natural diets, but I don't think I'm eradicating autism by doing so.Respectfully my 2 cents,

Goswitz

[Guest guest]

Of how they do this, I really don't know.  I think the issue was more geared towards them using them in any fashion to begin with.  Is it ethical or not?  Have we become so callous.  Is it not a bit like eating our own kind of thing?

I disagree with in some respects.  I don not think what we call autism today was just MR many years ago.  I worked in a special school in 1980.  We had over 1300 clients.  Disabilities were ranging.  I KNOW what autism looks like, and in the whole school, there was only ONE man in his mid thirties who exhibited autism.

That being said, I don't think autism is " autism. "   I mean, there is such focus on the disorder based primarily on " behaviors. "   Many things can cause many types of behavior.  Myriad things may cause one person to get angry or another to be sad.  When one says autism, it is an atuomatic referral to the behaviors such as hand-flapping, finger flicking, spinning, lining up toys, inappropriate use of toys, lack of eye contact, loss of or never developing speech, semantic-pragmatic disorder, SID, OCD, APD, tantrums (and I mean " autism " tantrums not the regular tantrums any child will have during the terrible twos), not realizing danger -- these are all " behaviors " associated with the disorder political correctness has dictated to be autism.

Very little is ever said about the medical illnesses these children suffer.  While some never seem to get sick at all - this too, can be a sign of a malfunctioning immune system.  Others, like my son, get sick frequently (however since beginning the AC Protocol and giving adrenal support my son has not been sick, and once we adjusted his adrenal support five weeks ago, he has not even needed asthma meds).  IF we really look at what is going on biomedically/biochemically with these children and we seek to heal the derailed chemical processes -- notice I didn't say " treat " - if we seek to heal the individual chemical systems, then many of these children can improve immensely.  When you heal these internal systems, then very often the behaviors dissipate.

In the early days my son lost ALL speech (immediately following the shots).  He became Dennis the Menace multiplied by a thousand.  He spun till he fell down.  He threw himself up against the wall so hard he would fall.  He screamed in pain for hours on end, unable to tell me where it hurt.  He was unable to sleep.  He compulsively turn lights and electronics on and off.  He compulsively wanted to run water on his hands and flush toilets.  He couldn't stand change and each one brought a tantrum.  If I turned my head and took my eyes off him, he would poop on the floor.  He hit me, kicked me, and bit me.  He self-limited his food intake to foods containing gluten and casein.  Taking him off these brought a three week withdrawal (I felt like I was doing an intervention on a drug addict - that is how he acted). He was sick with a fever and infection almost every two weeks: pneumonia, upper respiratory, brochits, asthma, strep, and staph (if an insect bit him).

Today, he has regained all forms of speech but speech is about four years delayed.  He asks to be included in the conversation (he hasn't quite figured out how to be every time, but many times he successful in a conversation of three but does very well in conversations of one on one.

And fro the start, I looked at tests and asked myself, Why is this high? Why is this low?  How do we counteract this?And then the bottom line was what I knew - that mercury was the impetus, and I looked at all mercury can do to the biochemistry of the human body. What does it do to a body if one allows it to remain in the body indefinitely?

So we are doing the best we can do to get it out.  We changed his diet.  We added metabolic supports, and now we do AC chelation, and my son continues to improve.  IV for my son was a disaster and brought back the stimming, OCD, and SID that had disappeared previously.  Low and slow and very safe chelation is working well for him.  How ever long it takes.  We are just happy to be enjoying the healthiest period of our son's life since prior to regression at fifteen months of age.

We need a name for the MEDICAL conditions of this kerfuffle. Let's don't call it autism; let's call it something like iantrogenic syndrome or something of the like.  It is not just the mercury in the shots.  Every child, every human has a different toxic tipping point, but our world is over toxic, and we are ALL feeling the effects.  Mercury is pervasive in our environment and growing in amounts every day.  Why do we accept it when our government says " Ah, don't eat  a lot of fish " ?  and we just go " Okay " when we should be outraged.

I just found out a short while ago that our security light by the barn is MERCURY VAPOR.  so every time I go out there, I am actually absorbing mercury.  GEEZ.  They are making it impossible to stay healthy!

[Guest guest]

And I disagree. I never ever met a person IN MY WHOLE LIFE who could not speak but otherwise appeared perfectly normal. There are 3 on my street.Sent from my iPhone

There isn't really an explosion of autism as people want to believe.The symptoms or behavioral presentation of an ever growing "spectrum" of the label currently used as "Autism" have been around for decades. I indeed have an almost 40 year old sister that I'm 100% certain would be diagnosed as "ASD" today. However, she was labeled MR back when that was the diagnosis for more self-regulated kids (known as High Functioning Autism" today as she is highly verbal but had enormous difficulty learning to read or do any academic work) and sensory seekers/highly disregulated kids received the label of schizophrenia, conduct disorder or simply the catch all MR. I used to watch my sister go to therapy at a multidisciplinary institute on Monday morning and come back on Friday evening, and try to teach her to read but I'd usually just get a bruise on my arm because she wanted me to leave her alone. I saw many of the same kids that attended her rehab institute present similar profiles. You'd have a party when you "found" somebody else who had a family member with special needs, not because there weren't any, because the prevailing attitude worldwide was to hide, disguise or deny a family member with special needs. The reason behind it was that family history was known and accepted thus acceptance implied acknowledgment that there was something wrong with the family (genetics) at large. Indeed, looking back, family history of depression, anxiety, ADHD, LD and a myriad of other issues was indeed prevalent and it still is and my family is no exception.

I also grew up in a family in a small country where everything was grown and harvested in the most natural ways as farmers did not have the money for any "technology" for their produce or dairy. In addition to this, my mother was a ballerina who wouldn't even put salt in our food. All our food (most citizens, not just my family) was devoid of any preservatives, colorants or any kind of artificial additives. That made obesity rare and people like my mother, who at age 70 can swim a mile and walk 5 miles daily and look like she's 40 ... but it did not make the community devoid of a population devoid of special needs.

I am extremely careful about what I feed my kids and part of my value system is health and natural diets, but I don't think I'm eradicating autism by doing so.Respectfully my 2 cents,

Goswitz

[Guest guest]

,Wonderful observations, and so true, BUT things must be better in PA than in Texas because special autism units are very rare here.  All the " special " kids are lumped together.  Try to get a special program for a child with autism here, and they often look at you like you are crazy.  Now with the budget cuts, the favorite flavor of the day is to deny a child even has autism.  Parents come with their reports from various doctors or psychologists, and schools are still saying a child doesn't need services.  It is a nightmare for many parents here.  I think Texas thinks if it just keeps talking about it and doing nothing that it will just go away.  I fear our governor is comfortable with just building more institutions down the road.  And the institutions here for special needs kids and adults are a travesty as well.  It's all talk here and little action.

Texas is way behind the times.We are in trouble.  Toxins in the environment and shots have harmed out children, and I have no doubt -- all of us.  All disease rates are the highest they have ever been -- uh, except for the benign illnesses covered by shots, which would ebb and flow on their own, I think.  I also think every child would be better off immunologically if they caught chicken pox naturally, and the same goes for measles mumps and rubella.  Natural immunity gets passed onto the next generation.  In twenty years we may have an epidemic of twenty year olds dying of these diseases because they are far worse and life threatening if you get them when you are older.  But on the slight chance one in a million who gets these diseases dies, they want to vaccinate everybody. 

The diseases I'm talking about are cancers, MS, ALS, scleroderma, Guillain-Barre', obesity, Hashimoto's thyroditis and hypothyroidism, diabetes, and other auto-immune diseases along with an explosion of autism, ADHD, ADD, dyslexia and other learning disabilities.  All of these rates are off the chart.  I heard a news report that said something like one if four Americans are " living with cancer " as if that were a good thing!

Haven

[Guest guest]

yep thats exactly what they did to my son. he has formal diagnosis from texas childrens hospital but the school says he now no longer has autism and stipped his autism sped label from him. now im havi g to fight them and do iees and my own out of pocket iees. ive already have about $2000 worth of doctor bills for his rediagnosis yhat i will have to pay for. texas sped is horrible. i hqve a friend with an asd son and the scho actually took away everything and she had to start all over to get him back into the sped program. like i said texas sped is horrible. Sent from my iPhone

,Wonderful observations, and so true, BUT things must be better in PA than in Texas because special autism units are very rare here. All the "special" kids are lumped together. Try to get a special program for a child with autism here, and they often look at you like you are crazy. Now with the budget cuts, the favorite flavor of the day is to deny a child even has autism. Parents come with their reports from various doctors or psychologists, and schools are still saying a child doesn't need services. It is a nightmare for many parents here. I think Texas thinks if it just keeps talking about it and doing nothing that it will just go away. I fear our governor is comfortable with just building more institutions down the road. And the institutions here for special needs kids and adults are a travesty as well. It's all talk here and little action.

Texas is way behind the times.We are in trouble. Toxins in the environment and shots have harmed out children, and I have no doubt -- all of us. All disease rates are the highest they have ever been -- uh, except for the benign illnesses covered by shots, which would ebb and flow on their own, I think. I also think every child would be better off immunologically if they caught chicken pox naturally, and the same goes for measles mumps and rubella. Natural immunity gets passed onto the next generation. In twenty years we may have an epidemic of twenty year olds dying of these diseases because they are far worse and life threatening if you get them when you are older. But on the slight chance one in a million who gets these diseases dies, they want to vaccinate everybody.

The diseases I'm talking about are cancers, MS, ALS, scleroderma, Guillain-Barre', obesity, Hashimoto's thyroditis and hypothyroidism, diabetes, and other auto-immune diseases along with an explosion of autism, ADHD, ADD, dyslexia and other learning disabilities. All of these rates are off the chart. I heard a news report that said something like one if four Americans are "living with cancer" as if that were a good thing!

Haven

[Guest guest]

Diane,Check the store where you shop.  Usually they will have a sign (small so hard for people to see) over by the produce section stating that their food has been genetically modified.  I'm pretty sure that all the discount type grocery chains foods are GM.  Their meats have hormones, sulphites, and pesticides in them.  Grass fed beef is only worth it if they didn't spray the grass with weed killers or pesticides.  Thier chickens have been fed chicken feed which contains arsenic.  (I've been in many chicken houses here in Texas and that is what they feed them as it fattens[plumps] them up - it was an old horse dealer's trick to buy a nag, feed it arsenic slowly and the horse would swell up and look fat and the dealer would then make a profit selling the " fat " horse for more money).

I know once in the early days when I was trying to find things for Ethan to eat, I went and bought some pork chops from hires.  Ethan went rather nuts after eating, so then I looked carefully at the package, and in very tiny print were the ingredients.  The pork had been injected with all kinds of junk!  That was when I began to buy all his foods from Whole Foods and I still ask questions and read labels.

Unfortunately it costs more to buy natural and organic foods.  These tend to be smaller in size and the quantity of the harvest is smaller.  Hence, why they have to charge more.  but a small, organic tomato compared to a non-organic one three times the size is misleading.  The smaller one packs more nutrition.

My father had an orchard.  He would work it every weekend and say to us kids, " I'm tending this for you and your children. "   There he stood spraying those trees with pesticide.  I tried to explain to him that the fruit off those trees would be inedible for my son for SEVEN years after thhe stopped being sprayed with the pesticide.  That's about how long it would take.  It also makes the trees weak so that they have to keep being sprayed, so when my father died, we stopped the pesticide, and now only one lone tree survives. It's two more years before I would eat the fruit off that tree.

The government doesn't even want to tell you when you are eating meat from cloned animals.  They decided it's best if you don't know.

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,That's interesting.  Most of the schools use OSFA -whatever they are using for the NT kids or what they choose to use for ALL specialkids, regardless of disability.  The problem is there are few research-based programs: ABA, TEACCH, Floortime.  Does FT have the research?  A modified version of RPM is working for my son, but all I have ever heard is it is being research but the research isn't out yet. 

Touch Math for math, Reading Milestones for reading, Edmark for Reading, 's for reading -- these have some research behind them for use with children who have autism, but I have found very few using these programs in Texas schools.

In home school we are using the modified RPM approach, Touch Math, Reading MIlestones.  These things are not offered in PS.

[Guest guest]

Our school district has done anything and everything to keep our daughter out of sped..... Down to the point of taking us to due process over the IEE they had already approved 2mths prior... Now they think I am going to accept a settlement with them picking who does the IEE.... Someone needs to make these school districts stop.... Every night when I put her to bed I promise my little girl that I will find her help if it kills me!CarolynSent from my iPad

yep thats exactly what they did to my son. he has formal diagnosis from texas childrens hospital but the school says he now no longer has autism and stipped his autism sped label from him. now im havi g to fight them and do iees and my own out of pocket iees. ive already have about $2000 worth of doctor bills for his rediagnosis yhat i will have to pay for. texas sped is horrible. i hqve a friend with an asd son and the scho actually took away everything and she had to start all over to get him back into the sped program. like i said texas sped is horrible. Sent from my iPhone

,Wonderful observations, and so true, BUT things must be better in PA than in Texas because special autism units are very rare here. All the "special" kids are lumped together. Try to get a special program for a child with autism here, and they often look at you like you are crazy. Now with the budget cuts, the favorite flavor of the day is to deny a child even has autism. Parents come with their reports from various doctors or psychologists, and schools are still saying a child doesn't need services. It is a nightmare for many parents here. I think Texas thinks if it just keeps talking about it and doing nothing that it will just go away. I fear our governor is comfortable with just building more institutions down the road. And the institutions here for special needs kids and adults are a travesty as well. It's all talk here and little action.

Texas is way behind the times.We are in trouble. Toxins in the environment and shots have harmed out children, and I have no doubt -- all of us. All disease rates are the highest they have ever been -- uh, except for the benign illnesses covered by shots, which would ebb and flow on their own, I think. I also think every child would be better off immunologically if they caught chicken pox naturally, and the same goes for measles mumps and rubella. Natural immunity gets passed onto the next generation. In twenty years we may have an epidemic of twenty year olds dying of these diseases because they are far worse and life threatening if you get them when you are older. But on the slight chance one in a million who gets these diseases dies, they want to vaccinate everybody.

The diseases I'm talking about are cancers, MS, ALS, scleroderma, Guillain-Barre', obesity, Hashimoto's thyroditis and hypothyroidism, diabetes, and other auto-immune diseases along with an explosion of autism, ADHD, ADD, dyslexia and other learning disabilities. All of these rates are off the chart. I heard a news report that said something like one if four Americans are "living with cancer" as if that were a good thing!

Haven

[Guest guest]

Carolyn,You go girl!  I said the same to my son.  Sometimes it takes filing DP.  Parents often have better luck with this if they are in smaller districts.  The larger ones would rather spend five times as much money is DP and district court than it would take to provide the services, and it is all about putting parents " in their place " and allowing schools to stream special kids through the school to prison pipeline.

Don't let them do this to your child.  If you file DP, often you can get a better settlement in mediation, though it is a compromise on both sides.I hope you have an educational notebook with ALL records in it that is organized in chronological order.  Take notes on everything.  Have a phone log or " in person conversation log. "   Tape every meeting!

You can, in Texas, tape the phone calls if it is not for tortuous purpose.  Just use them to write your phone log.Simple themes and paper trails win cases. Sometimes you just can't make them change and you have to ask for private placement or payment for home school services.  Home schools are considered private schools in Texas and it is not " free " to home school.  The IDEA states that a FAPE must be provided to the child at NO cost to the parent.  However if you file DP and it goes to mediation then most wind up with a compromise regarding cost.  However if it goes to DP, the parent has less control regarding settlement, so you have to decide.

The bottom line for all parents is don't settle for inappropriate placements or programs.  A FAPE is defined under the IDEA as that which will move a child forward and close the gap between the child and his peer group.  So the child must show progress.  Now that is the tricky part.

You cannot determine progress by grades or IEP grades.  You certainly cannot determine it by " observation. "   So be very careful what you agree to in the ARD document regarding " criterion for mastery. "   A parent can have written in there that mastery will be determined by YEARLY standardized testing by qualified personnel.  This is a far better measure of progress than grades of any kind.  Grades can easily be fabricated.  It's highly illegal, but tons of Texas schools are doing it on a regular basis.

Some will spend hours in ARD coming up with what looks like a good IEP, but remember, any IEP is only as good as the integrity of those entrusted to implement it. So YOU, the parent have to work to keep them honest to be sure they have implemented the IEP and the grades are accurate.  To do this, you create a data sheet that has every objective on it and a space for each six weeks and a total.

You have them  have your child (or if your child can's you have them do it, and WRITE IT INTO THE ARD AGREEMENT) Put the date and class on EVERY PAPER.  It would be great if you could get them to list the IEP objective on each question (but then you would see how much of your child's educational time gets wasted on non-iep items), so you have to do this.

When ever a paper comes home, date it if it is not already dated.  Then go through EACH QUESTION on the paper and assign it to an IEP objective if it is applicable.  If it doesn't match to an iep objective then it is not counted.  Then you can put a hash mark in the square for the six weeks it was given.  At the end of the six weeks, match the school's grade to the fraction you come up with by counting the hash marks.  You only count the number correct over the number of questions given.  Does it match?  If the numbers don't match up, then they failed to implement the IEP and they denied FAPE in doing so.

If the child is non-verbal, they should be doing trials and keeping track of those trials.  Have it written into the ARD that you will receive the trials tracking sheets at the end of each six weeks. Have it written in that there will be benchmark testing at the end of every six weeks on the objectives for which they are giving grades on the IEP report, and this benchmark MUST BE VIDEO TAPED and given to the parent. Unfortunately in the climate o education for these kids in Texas, you must be tough.  You cannot take their word for ANYTHING.

Those who can talk and write can be given a written benchmark and YOU must write in the ARD what the modifications can be.  when you get the benchmark.  go over it with your child, as it is often the practice to keep giving the child so many chances to get it right that it is an unclear picture of progress.  Have it written in the ARD that " prompted " answers do not count as correct.

Again, put EVERYTHING: school record, inside and outside standardized testing, evaluations/recommendations by doctors and therapists, ALL school work, phone logs, ARD tapes/CD's, conversation logs, e-mails in the notebooks in chronological order- not grouped by category.  You can color tab the papers according to category.

The yearly standardized testing can really tell the tale between progress/stagnation/regression.  You want to list all these on Excel or other spreadsheet and then run graphs to show what the case is in each area.  It may take time to amass the evidence, but your child's future depends upon it.

If you need any further help in advocating for your child you can e-mail me off-list or on any time.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Haven, I hope I someday get to the point of proving or disproving progress....CarolynSent from my iPad

Carolyn,You go girl! I said the same to my son. Sometimes it takes filing DP. Parents often have better luck with this if they are in smaller districts. The larger ones would rather spend five times as much money is DP and district court than it would take to provide the services, and it is all about putting parents "in their place" and allowing schools to stream special kids through the school to prison pipeline.

Don't let them do this to your child. If you file DP, often you can get a better settlement in mediation, though it is a compromise on both sides.I hope you have an educational notebook with ALL records in it that is organized in chronological order. Take notes on everything. Have a phone log or "in person conversation log." Tape every meeting!

You can, in Texas, tape the phone calls if it is not for tortuous purpose. Just use them to write your phone log.Simple themes and paper trails win cases. Sometimes you just can't make them change and you have to ask for private placement or payment for home school services. Home schools are considered private schools in Texas and it is not "free" to home school. The IDEA states that a FAPE must be provided to the child at NO cost to the parent. However if you file DP and it goes to mediation then most wind up with a compromise regarding cost. However if it goes to DP, the parent has less control regarding settlement, so you have to decide.

The bottom line for all parents is don't settle for inappropriate placements or programs. A FAPE is defined under the IDEA as that which will move a child forward and close the gap between the child and his peer group. So the child must show progress. Now that is the tricky part.

You cannot determine progress by grades or IEP grades. You certainly cannot determine it by "observation." So be very careful what you agree to in the ARD document regarding "criterion for mastery." A parent can have written in there that mastery will be determined by YEARLY standardized testing by qualified personnel. This is a far better measure of progress than grades of any kind. Grades can easily be fabricated. It's highly illegal, but tons of Texas schools are doing it on a regular basis.

Some will spend hours in ARD coming up with what looks like a good IEP, but remember, any IEP is only as good as the integrity of those entrusted to implement it. So YOU, the parent have to work to keep them honest to be sure they have implemented the IEP and the grades are accurate. To do this, you create a data sheet that has every objective on it and a space for each six weeks and a total.

You have them have your child (or if your child can's you have them do it, and WRITE IT INTO THE ARD AGREEMENT) Put the date and class on EVERY PAPER. It would be great if you could get them to list the IEP objective on each question (but then you would see how much of your child's educational time gets wasted on non-iep items), so you have to do this.

When ever a paper comes home, date it if it is not already dated. Then go through EACH QUESTION on the paper and assign it to an IEP objective if it is applicable. If it doesn't match to an iep objective then it is not counted. Then you can put a hash mark in the square for the six weeks it was given. At the end of the six weeks, match the school's grade to the fraction you come up with by counting the hash marks. You only count the number correct over the number of questions given. Does it match? If the numbers don't match up, then they failed to implement the IEP and they denied FAPE in doing so.

If the child is non-verbal, they should be doing trials and keeping track of those trials. Have it written into the ARD that you will receive the trials tracking sheets at the end of each six weeks. Have it written in that there will be benchmark testing at the end of every six weeks on the objectives for which they are giving grades on the IEP report, and this benchmark MUST BE VIDEO TAPED and given to the parent. Unfortunately in the climate o education for these kids in Texas, you must be tough. You cannot take their word for ANYTHING.

Those who can talk and write can be given a written benchmark and YOU must write in the ARD what the modifications can be. when you get the benchmark. go over it with your child, as it is often the practice to keep giving the child so many chances to get it right that it is an unclear picture of progress. Have it written in the ARD that "prompted" answers do not count as correct.

Again, put EVERYTHING: school record, inside and outside standardized testing, evaluations/recommendations by doctors and therapists, ALL school work, phone logs, ARD tapes/CD's, conversation logs, e-mails in the notebooks in chronological order- not grouped by category. You can color tab the papers according to category.

The yearly standardized testing can really tell the tale between progress/stagnation/regression. You want to list all these on Excel or other spreadsheet and then run graphs to show what the case is in each area. It may take time to amass the evidence, but your child's future depends upon it.

If you need any further help in advocating for your child you can e-mail me off-list or on any time.

[Guest guest]

Carolyn,If you ever need any help in doing so, I'm here.  slaw is coming in October to Dallas.  If you have not been to one of their advocacy training seminars, try to go.  It is some of the best money we ever spent.

Haven

[Guest guest]

I am planning on going, even got the scholarship to go, just need to pay them.....CarolynSent from my iPad

Carolyn,If you ever need any help in doing so, I'm here. slaw is coming in October to Dallas. If you have not been to one of their advocacy training seminars, try to go. It is some of the best money we ever spent.

Haven