Re: Re: When *work* may not *work* !

[Guest guest]

This is a response to the original post. The Work NEVER argues against reality.

What is, is. It helps to unravel people's stories or beliefs as to what reality

is.

would call it insane to argue with reality.

Vivian

Re: When *work* may not *work* !

ac, others have responded to your mail already, i have some additional

thoughts " nevertheless " .

i know what you mean. we have more than a few senses and we sense

people. there's people which " pretend " to be clear sighted and they

describe different perceptions as well. then there comes into my mind

the work of an brennan (hope i remember her name correctly), which has

in one of her books drawings of energy movements between people.

the thing is, u can be even very right, with what you sense, and

independend of the other is willing to talk about it or not it is what

is going on inside of u what matters. here is " the story " u can work

with. through The Work or with other " tools " . doesn't matter as long

as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness.

may this be supportive, lr

>

> I have seen that work [like many other

> things] can easily be used to " argue

> against reality " than as instrument to

[...]

[Guest guest]

I heard work once with a woman with cancer. They talked about how the

woman felt while she was doing happy things such as being with a friend.

asked if the woman noticed her cancer while busy with other things and she said

no.

's response was, Then during that time there is NO cancer.

According to her, you are only disabled when you have the thought that you are.

Vivian

Re: When *work* may not *work* !

>

>

>

> hi ltw

>

> you wrote

>

> Someone could cut off both

> > your arms and you could be totally at peace, because the CAUSE

of

> > ALL our suffering is our internal stories/thoughts.

>

> imho i don't find this kind of example not helpful as it is way

too

> far away from daily life. do you know such a person personally?

>

> lr

>

> > >

> > > Your story is causing you to be fearful. The man is doing

> nothing.

> > >

> >

> > Hi Adithya,

> >

> > This line from Vivian is pure gold. Our happiness or

unhappiness

> is

> > ONLY effected by the stories/thoughts we believe, NOTHING that

> > happens in the world has an effect on us. Someone could cut

off

> both

> > your arms and you could be totally at peace, because the CAUSE

of

> > ALL our suffering is our internal stories/thoughts.

> > May I suggest that you print out Vivian's line and stick it on

> your

> > computer, your fridge etc. to remind you of the truth just in

case

> > you forget!

> >

> > Have a beautiful day

> >

> >

> > " It's pretty scary, because it means you've been wrong for

your

> > whole life. Welcome to heaven. This is where it begins, in

> > humility. " I am wrong. I've been confused. " Byron

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

their response to you is about them, not about you. I would assume it varies

depending on the person.

if you see someone react to you and you attach to that, then that is where your

pain lies and that is where you need to do The Work.

vivian

Re: When *work* may not *work* !

> >

> >

> >

> > hi ltw

> >

> > you wrote

> >

> > Someone could cut off both

> > > your arms and you could be totally at peace, because the

CAUSE

> of

> > > ALL our suffering is our internal stories/thoughts.

> >

> > imho i don't find this kind of example not helpful as it is

way

> too

> > far away from daily life. do you know such a person personally?

> >

> > lr

> >

> > > >

> > > > Your story is causing you to be fearful. The man is doing

> > nothing.

> > > >

> > >

> > > Hi Adithya,

> > >

> > > This line from Vivian is pure gold. Our happiness or

> unhappiness

> > is

> > > ONLY effected by the stories/thoughts we believe, NOTHING

that

> > > happens in the world has an effect on us. Someone could cut

> off

> > both

> > > your arms and you could be totally at peace, because the

CAUSE

> of

> > > ALL our suffering is our internal stories/thoughts.

> > > May I suggest that you print out Vivian's line and stick it

on

> > your

> > > computer, your fridge etc. to remind you of the truth just

in

> case

> > > you forget!

> > >

> > > Have a beautiful day

> > >

> > >

> > > " It's pretty scary, because it means you've been wrong for

> your

> > > whole life. Welcome to heaven. This is where it begins, in

> > > humility. " I am wrong. I've been confused. " Byron

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Are you serious? Why would you think it appropriate to limit anyone? How is that

in any way in keeping with The Work?

Vivian

Re: When *work* may not *work* !

thanks steve, and we are here (in this list) because we want to ease

our pain/get less confused, find our truth (whatever

order/succession). this is the premise, isn't it. blessings, r

>

> Rose,

>

> I totally agree with your statement:

>

> " the thing is, u can be even very right, with what you sense, and

> independend of the other is willing to talk about it or not it is

what

> is going on inside of u what matters. here is " the story " u can

work

> with. through The Work or with other " tools " . doesn't matter as

long

> as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness. "

>

> For me, it matters not whether I am right or wrong with my

> perceptions. What is important is how it makes me feel. If it

does

> not give me a peaceful feeling then I do Thw work to find where I

am

> confused.

>

> Love, Steve

>

> >

> > ac, others have responded to your mail already, i have some

> additional

> > thoughts " nevertheless " .

> > i know what you mean. we have more than a few senses and we

sense

> > people. there's people which " pretend " to be clear sighted and

they

> > describe different perceptions as well. then there comes into my

> mind

> > the work of an brennan (hope i remember her name correctly),

which

> has

> > in one of her books drawings of energy movements between people.

> > the thing is, u can be even very right, with what you sense, and

> > independend of the other is willing to talk about it or not it

is

> what

> > is going on inside of u what matters. here is " the story " u can

> work

> > with. through The Work or with other " tools " . doesn't matter as

> long

> > as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness.

> >

> > may this be supportive, lr

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > I have seen that work [like many other

> > > things] can easily be used to " argue

> > > against reality " than as instrument to

> >

> > [...]

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Rose

2-3 posts a day would be more than enough

What do you think?

-- Re: When *work* may not *work* !

thanks steve, and we are here (in this list) because we want to ease

our pain/get less confused, find our truth (whatever

order/succession). this is the premise, isn't it. blessings, r

>

> Rose,

>

> I totally agree with your statement:

>

> " the thing is, u can be even very right, with what you sense, and

> independend of the other is willing to talk about it or not it is

what

> is going on inside of u what matters. here is " the story " u can

work

> with. through The Work or with other " tools " . doesn't matter as

long

> as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness. "

>

> For me, it matters not whether I am right or wrong with my

> perceptions. What is important is how it makes me feel. If it

does

> not give me a peaceful feeling then I do Thw work to find where I

am

> confused.

>

> Love, Steve

>

> >

> > ac, others have responded to your mail already, i have some

> additional

> > thoughts " nevertheless " .

> > i know what you mean. we have more than a few senses and we

sense

> > people. there's people which " pretend " to be clear sighted and

they

> > describe different perceptions as well. then there comes into my

> mind

> > the work of an brennan (hope i remember her name correctly),

which

> has

> > in one of her books drawings of energy movements between people.

> > the thing is, u can be even very right, with what you sense, and

> > independend of the other is willing to talk about it or not it

is

> what

> > is going on inside of u what matters. here is " the story " u can

> work

> > with. through The Work or with other " tools " . doesn't matter as

> long

> > as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness.

> >

> > may this be supportive, lr

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > I have seen that work [like many other

> > > things] can easily be used to " argue

> > > against reality " than as instrument to

> >

> > [...]

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It is difficult to accept that everything about me is

a story. It was a major hurdle for me, and friends

bristled when I suggesed their lives are just a story.

I have stopped saying that to people, but not to

myself.

A subject that I have investigated at length is

choice. Do we have choice?

I learned from Gangaji or maybe it was Tolle, that

choice only comes when I am present (conscious), in

the now as Tolle would state. If I am fully present in

a situation, I may have choice, otherwise I simply

react, unconsciously.

Eating too much, drinking too much, complaining too

much, blaming too much are done unconsciously. When I

am conscious when such situations arise, I can make a

choice. Doing The Work when a fork in the road appears

is a way to become conscious about the fork. As Yogi

Berra stated, " When you come to a fork in the road,

take it. " Some do it consciously, some just do it.

Both okay, but it helps me to do The Work.

When I am conscious that I am running a story, often I

pause, take a deep breath, run my story through The

Work. Often, the story ends. That let's me go on to my

next story, maybe one that is less toxic.

B

--- Vivian Barning wrote:

> Yes, it was an extreme example. But the point is

> still valid.

> Let's say you have a bad headache. REally hurts.

> Then a friend comes over and you start talking.

> You might realize that while your friend was there

> you had no awareness of the headache even though it

> begins hurting again once the person leaves.

> Without the thought my head hurts, I have no

> headache.

>

> Vivian

> Re: When *work* may not

> *work* !

>

>

>

> hi ltw

>

> you wrote

>

> Someone could cut off both

> > your arms and you could be totally at peace,

> because the CAUSE of

> > ALL our suffering is our internal

> stories/thoughts.

>

> imho i don't find this kind of example not helpful

> as it is way too

> far away from daily life. do you know such a

> person personally?

>

> lr

>

> > >

> > > Your story is causing you to be fearful. The

> man is doing

> nothing.

> > >

> >

> > Hi Adithya,

> >

> > This line from Vivian is pure gold. Our

> happiness or unhappiness

> is

> > ONLY effected by the stories/thoughts we

> believe, NOTHING that

> > happens in the world has an effect on us.

> Someone could cut off

> both

> > your arms and you could be totally at peace,

> because the CAUSE of

> > ALL our suffering is our internal

> stories/thoughts.

> > May I suggest that you print out Vivian's line

> and stick it on

> your

> > computer, your fridge etc. to remind you of the

> truth just in case

> > you forget!

> >

> > Have a beautiful day

> >

> >

> > " It's pretty scary, because it means you've been

> wrong for your

> > whole life. Welcome to heaven. This is where it

> begins, in

> > humility. " I am wrong. I've been confused. "

> Byron

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Whatever Rose does it perfect. If Rose did 10,000

posts per day, in one of them might be the thought

that I have been waiting for all my life.

Rose is my teacher, Tami is my teacher. Hitler is my

teacher, the Dahli Lama is my teacher. Night is my

teacher, day is my teacher. Health is my teacher,

sickness is my teacher.

When I am in the flow of what is, teachers appear as

readily and as beautifully as red poppies in the

spring fields of France. What is in it for me to

resist anything? Only suffering.

B

--- Tami wrote:

> Rose

> 2-3 posts a day would be more than enough

> What do you think?

>

>

>

> -- Re: When *work* may not

> *work* !

>

> thanks steve, and we are here (in this list) because

> we want to ease

> our pain/get less confused, find our truth (whatever

>

> order/succession). this is the premise, isn't it.

> blessings, r

> >

> > Rose,

> >

> > I totally agree with your statement:

> >

> > " the thing is, u can be even very right, with what

> you sense, and

> > independend of the other is willing to talk about

> it or not it is

> what

> > is going on inside of u what matters. here is " the

> story " u can

> work

> > with. through The Work or with other " tools " .

> doesn't matter as

> long

> > as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness. "

> >

> > For me, it matters not whether I am right or wrong

> with my

> > perceptions. What is important is how it makes me

> feel. If it

> does

> > not give me a peaceful feeling then I do Thw work

> to find where I

> am

> > confused.

> >

> > Love, Steve

> >

> > >

> > > ac, others have responded to your mail already,

> i have some

> > additional

> > > thoughts " nevertheless " .

> > > i know what you mean. we have more than a few

> senses and we

> sense

> > > people. there's people which " pretend " to be

> clear sighted and

> they

> > > describe different perceptions as well. then

> there comes into my

> > mind

> > > the work of an brennan (hope i remember her name

> correctly),

> which

> > has

> > > in one of her books drawings of energy movements

> between people.

> > > the thing is, u can be even very right, with

> what you sense, and

> > > independend of the other is willing to talk

> about it or not it

> is

> > what

> > > is going on inside of u what matters. here is

> " the story " u can

> > work

> > > with. through The Work or with other " tools " .

> doesn't matter as

> > long

> > > as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness.

> > >

> > > may this be supportive, lr

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I have seen that work [like many other

> > > > things] can easily be used to " argue

> > > > against reality " than as instrument to

> > >

> > > [...]

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Just checking in to see if it was meant as humor. not taking oneself seriously

is generally a good thing. wasting other people's time is a bad thing. but at

least I get to work on being patient which is certainly useful for me.

Vivian

Re: When *work* may not *work* !

>

> thanks steve, and we are here (in this list) because we want to

ease

> our pain/get less confused, find our truth (whatever

> order/succession). this is the premise, isn't it. blessings, r

> >

> > Rose,

> >

> > I totally agree with your statement:

> >

> > " the thing is, u can be even very right, with what you sense,

and

> > independend of the other is willing to talk about it or not it

is

> what

> > is going on inside of u what matters. here is " the story " u

can

> work

> > with. through The Work or with other " tools " . doesn't matter

as

> long

> > as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness. "

> >

> > For me, it matters not whether I am right or wrong with my

> > perceptions. What is important is how it makes me feel. If it

> does

> > not give me a peaceful feeling then I do Thw work to find

where I

> am

> > confused.

> >

> > Love, Steve

> >

> > >

> > > ac, others have responded to your mail already, i have some

> > additional

> > > thoughts " nevertheless " .

> > > i know what you mean. we have more than a few senses and we

> sense

> > > people. there's people which " pretend " to be clear sighted

and

> they

> > > describe different perceptions as well. then there comes

into my

> > mind

> > > the work of an brennan (hope i remember her name correctly),

> which

> > has

> > > in one of her books drawings of energy movements between

people.

> > > the thing is, u can be even very right, with what you sense,

and

> > > independend of the other is willing to talk about it or not

it

> is

> > what

> > > is going on inside of u what matters. here is " the story " u

can

> > work

> > > with. through The Work or with other " tools " . doesn't matter

as

> > long

> > > as it helps u to find peace ease and happiness.

> > >

> > > may this be supportive, lr

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I have seen that work [like many other

> > > > things] can easily be used to " argue

> > > > against reality " than as instrument to

> > >

> > > [...]

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

recently Yogi changed his saying. he sent a message to Tom Lasorda. When you

come to a fork in the road..............use it to eat pasta.

Vivian

Re: When *work* may not

> *work* !

>

>

>

> hi ltw

>

> you wrote

>

> Someone could cut off both

> > your arms and you could be totally at peace,

> because the CAUSE of

> > ALL our suffering is our internal

> stories/thoughts.

>

> imho i don't find this kind of example not helpful

> as it is way too

> far away from daily life. do you know such a

> person personally?

>

> lr

>

> > >

> > > Your story is causing you to be fearful. The

> man is doing

> nothing.

> > >

> >

> > Hi Adithya,

> >

> > This line from Vivian is pure gold. Our

> happiness or unhappiness

> is

> > ONLY effected by the stories/thoughts we

> believe, NOTHING that

> > happens in the world has an effect on us.

> Someone could cut off

> both

> > your arms and you could be totally at peace,

> because the CAUSE of

> > ALL our suffering is our internal

> stories/thoughts.

> > May I suggest that you print out Vivian's line

> and stick it on

> your

> > computer, your fridge etc. to remind you of the

> truth just in case

> > you forget!

> >

> > Have a beautiful day

> >

> >

> > " It's pretty scary, because it means you've been

> wrong for your

> > whole life. Welcome to heaven. This is where it

> begins, in

> > humility. " I am wrong. I've been confused. "

> Byron

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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