Re: If died, would you be sad?

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>

> Actually, since then death and bein lonely lost lots of " their " power.

Could you talk more about the " being lonely " part?

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>> Actually, since then death and bein lonely lost lots of " their "

>> power.

> Could you talk more about the " being lonely " part?

I found that someone dying felt like someone leaves me, forever.

" I'll never see him again! " . That was at a point I found great

sadness in believing the thought that I might never see a good friend

of mine again, because of the last time we had been together. I got

aware that that sadness had nothing to do with her physical presence.

Nor with how we departed. Nor with her not answering my emails.

My thoughts went to my father who had died some years before and

found a comparable sadness.

Well, intense focusing on whom I will not see again, kills everyone

else, including myself. So I get to feel lonely and left alone. " I

need him " and " I want him " add up some weight. When I inquire into

those I start with " I need him to... be here " . Yes, but for what? If

he was here, what would I want him to do? " hug me " . Ok, and do I

really *need* that NOW? Or ALL THE TIME? Actually, just the thought

that he *could* hug me, is comforting enough, already. What if he did

not hug me? Would I event want him to be here? I found I would not

care! Like: let him resurrect, appear in front of me, hug me, tell me

he loves me, and go back where he came from. " I need that " . I don't

think so.

Going for the first " is it true " can take some time, until an honest

" no " appears. And It doesn't have to appear for investigation. But

for me it's a sign that I got " deep " . And it feels damned good! :-)

K, I think I got a little off of the question! ;-)

Love,

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since then death and bein lonely lost lots of " their " power.

> >> If you died, would be sad?

> who cares?

>

> Love,

>

Dear ,

who cares what you post?

Love,

p.s. I would not be at all sad if you died .

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> since then death and bein lonely lost lots of " their " power.

>>>> If you died, would be sad?

>> who cares?

>>

>> Love,

>>

> Dear ,

>

> who cares what you post?

I hear that you do, sweetheart!

Love,

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Rose.. some of us have read the book.. cry in the desert..

which is no longer in print In that book, theres more information on

katies childhood.. she was abused sexually by a neighbor as a child..

i dont think it was for a long period of time..

And then katie has said she did the work on her mother for over a year

or was it longer?..

REcently katie has had eye surgeries and was unable to see well for

many years.. that is not in any book.. I just read about that in the

parlor and also she had mentioned before she had trouble seeing.

Shes also had a bout with cancer.

Besides being divorced and having an eating disorder.. she was very

over weight..

So i dont think katie has had an easy life..

Theres a quote about that but i cant recall how it goes about an easy

life is not as worth while as one with many challenges or something.

is that true.. oh well.. i suppose we all have challenges..

When I read your letter it seemed to imply katie has had an easy

life.. I think it looks that way now but it isnt true..

My life has probably been much easier and yet i am sad because i still

believe my stressful thoughts.. a lot..

Maybe because it is easy i have not done the work more.. to get out of

the pain.

But i do want to do the work more... of course that has been my story

for quite some time.

since joining this list.

I sort of wish katie would talk about her challenges more.. but i

guess to her that would be the past story.. and it is no longer true

for her

love, roslyn

" because

> everything is fine just as it is according to kt " , in a way i wonder

> if it would be the same for kt when she would not live in her

> circumstances/stting, but for example in any terrible war zone of

> this planet and then in the haunted minority. even when she was in

> big trouble, she had shelter, food, cloths and people around. she

> was able to earn money from at home, as far as i remember from

> reading in books, i might be wrong. and today she also not in a poor

> condition. that's ok. it's been said to me that the tibetian people

> no matter how haunted and tortured they are, still are a rather

> happy nation. i wonder if kt would be the one she is and can be now,

> if she was living in a slum, uneducated, sexually abused, with aids

> and alcoholics around her.

> i wonder if people in such a setting have a thinking/feeling

> of " everything is fine just as it is " .

> i just don't know.

> i would like to give that question into this list, especially to the

> people who have long lasting experiences with katie and perhaps have

> done the school with her, etc.

>

> thanks for asking flower tami, as i " feared " , this was not small

> talk, ; -) (guess i different topic for " small talk " ) love rose

> > T

> >

> >

> > -- Re: If died, would you be sad?

> > >

> > > Absolutely not! has spoken of death many times and she has

> no

> > problem

> > > with it at all.

> > > In fact she has spoken of almost being in a car accident and

> > laughing as the

> > > other vehicle came towards hers.

> > >

> > > Vivian

> > > If died, would you be sad?

> > >

> > > If you died, would be sad?

> > >

> > >

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Many of the anti deprssants on the market.. can cause

people to committ suicide as well..

I dont believe pscyhiatrists having read pscyhaitry ultimate betrayal..

PRozac has been known to cause people to kill themsleves and others..

because it takes away inhibitions..

In germany there is a warning label on prozac..

that it may cause violent behavior.

IT got such a bad name now there are many other anti depressants on

the market and a lot more murders.. at least here in the US.

i know every person is different.. but that thing about a chemical in

the brain has never been proven..

And none of the pills work that fast.. it was probably like a

placebo.. a sugar pill could do the same thing.. if you believe it

will work and help you it will just simply because you believe it.

For one thing a pill takes a long time to get in ones system..

So I think your friend felt better only because he believed it

and i am in his business..

ARe you sure your friend who committed suicide was not taking anything..

Well anyway, I think when our time is up its up no matter how we end

up dying.. i dont know that but i like to believe that is true and it

isnt stressful..

I also believe in reincarnation.

I do recall now I had read that people who chose difficult lives ..

of illness etc.. do so because they want to grow more spiritally and

that we decide these things before we are born..

And that nothing is ever a punishment but always a learning experience.

love, roslyn

-- In Loving-what-is , " gitoros " wrote:

>

> hey mary, i hope (oh well, hope is for kids) it's ok, if i pop in

> here, it's just i would like to drop in my two cents to what you

> have written.

>

> trees which were burnt, fruit flies, and elephant are not that

> desperate that they think about comitting suicide. that's the

> difference to me. and especially, when i learn that the background

> of that depression is a lack of a certain substance within the

> organism. if i had known that before, i would have made sure, that

> our friend would have been in a closed environment, till they had

> found the right substance. a cousin of these two people is also

> affected from that genetical defekt. he also became depressed.

> luckily he found a doc, which picked out the right medicine for him,

> and within two hrs after taking the first pill, his depression

> started to vanish so noticable/remarkably, that he wondered what has

> been before, and felt himself like rather changed.

> don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with dying, not even

> commiting suicide. it's just, i really like it ; -), when there is

> an easy way out, like having a cup of coffee, or going to a dentist,

> or getting a warm sweater, or doing the work, or taking a pill. i

> love that easiness. our friend loved to live, when he was ok. we had

> so much fun together, and we, my darling and me, lack his uniqueness

> and the joy we experienced in that friendship.

> if i had to choose, a little medication or suicide, what would i

> choose? what would you choose?

> i know you (maybe/my story) come from the premise, that you are not

> here (i don't think i can leave this world, cuz i don't think i'm

> here.)

> well me, in my ego state, in my personality i am here, with that

> heavy, paraliysed body. i know feeling just like a field of sparks,

> not located also, and, you know, when i wonder about things, i

> defenitly have a feeling of being here. ; -) (my daughter goes to

> the Apartheit topic of south africa in school currently and we have

> had several talks about that lately)

>

> hm. one more little thing, i know a farmer from australia who

> reported, that his impression was, that one of his cows committed

> suicide, when it/she was heavily injured, so maybe even animals have

> that opportunity.

>

> is that knowledge neccessary/important for me and my life?. i don't

> know. it's just, life is far more than my little thinking apparatus

> can squeeze in, and that little cow story is like a reminder to me.

>

> love, rose.

>

>

> > > based on what she has said, that she sees death as equal to

> life, i

> > > would think not...do you find the thought of 'death' sad mary?

> >

> > No, no and yet, well, maybe sometimes. Trees got burned up. And

> yet a

> > thousand years from now all those trees would be gone anyway. A

> fruit

> > fly lives around 24 hours, an elephant much longer, some trees 500

> years.

> >

> > I think maybe I die everytime I go to sleep. says dying is

> like

> > going to sleep. And every time I wake up I am born.

> >

> > Or maybe going to sleep and awakening are nothing more than going

> from

> > one room to another in a house.

> >

> > Ah, I see a story is running. Even that I see it is a story.

> >

> > hahahohohee

> >

>

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he could appear in a dream and hug you..

And it could be his spirit trying to communicate

but that is just my story --i have so many

love,roslyn

>

> >> Actually, since then death and bein lonely lost lots of " their "

> >> power.

> > Could you talk more about the " being lonely " part?

> I found that someone dying felt like someone leaves me, forever.

> " I'll never see him again! " . That was at a point I found great

> sadness in believing the thought that I might never see a good friend

> of mine again, because of the last time we had been together. I got

> aware that that sadness had nothing to do with her physical presence.

> Nor with how we departed. Nor with her not answering my emails.

> My thoughts went to my father who had died some years before and

> found a comparable sadness.

>

> Well, intense focusing on whom I will not see again, kills everyone

> else, including myself. So I get to feel lonely and left alone. " I

> need him " and " I want him " add up some weight. When I inquire into

> those I start with " I need him to... be here " . Yes, but for what? If

> he was here, what would I want him to do? " hug me " . Ok, and do I

> really *need* that NOW? Or ALL THE TIME? Actually, just the thought

> that he *could* hug me, is comforting enough, already. What if he did

> not hug me? Would I event want him to be here? I found I would not

> care! Like: let him resurrect, appear in front of me, hug me, tell me

> he loves me, and go back where he came from. " I need that " . I don't

> think so.

> Going for the first " is it true " can take some time, until an honest

> " no " appears. And It doesn't have to appear for investigation. But

> for me it's a sign that I got " deep " . And it feels damned good! :-)

>

> K, I think I got a little off of the question! ;-)

>

> Love,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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If you want to notice you

I know better way how to get there

Try honesty for a change

I think you have a crash on him and you tease him like a little girl

However

It could be that I am the one who has a crash on him?

What do you think?

Yes, it is me.

Sorry to bother you, ignore this post

T

-- Re: If died, would you be sad?

since then death and bein lonely lost lots of " their " power.

> >> If you died, would be sad?

> who cares?

>

> Love,

>

Dear ,

who cares what you post?

Love,

p.s. I would not be at all sad if you died .

[Guest guest]

>

>

>

> If you want to notice you

> I know better way how to get there

>

> Try honesty for a change

> I think you have a crash on him and you tease him like a little girl

Tami,

To be honest I have a crash on you.

[Guest guest]

roslyn, hello

just briefly (i'm on my way to bed an will be in the hospital the

next few days)

thanks for responding to my question.

the thoughts i wrote are just some thoughts which move through my

mind sometimes. stories, you could say.

to me it is important what i felt when i was in kt's presence this

year. that was what touched me.

what i experience when i listen to her, watch clips.

it is the work, with it's questions and what it does to me when i

let myself deeply be with them.

this busy donkey/monkey mind seems to like to come up with any

story, as long as it can keep me busy. ;- )

i appreciate kt for what i experience/d through her, while being

with her, or appyling her work. her real lifestory, is her story, or

maybe my fantasy about her story... ....

i just wanted to answer a little bit, to give u an idea where i

stand to avoid any misunderstandings ( (as)if that is possible at

all) oh well. limitations of language and life. ; -))

love r

>

> Rose.. some of us have read the book.. cry in the desert..

>

> which is no longer in print In that book, theres more information

on

> katies childhood.. she was abused sexually by a neighbor as a

child..

>

> i dont think it was for a long period of time..

>

> And then katie has said she did the work on her mother for over a

year

> or was it longer?..

> REcently katie has had eye surgeries and was unable to see well

for

> many years.. that is not in any book.. I just read about that in

the

> parlor and also she had mentioned before she had trouble seeing.

>

> Shes also had a bout with cancer.

>

> Besides being divorced and having an eating disorder.. she was very

> over weight..

>

> So i dont think katie has had an easy life..

> Theres a quote about that but i cant recall how it goes about an

easy

> life is not as worth while as one with many challenges or

something.

>

> is that true.. oh well.. i suppose we all have challenges..

>

> When I read your letter it seemed to imply katie has had an easy

> life.. I think it looks that way now but it isnt true..

>

> My life has probably been much easier and yet i am sad because i

still

> believe my stressful thoughts.. a lot..

> Maybe because it is easy i have not done the work more.. to get

out of

> the pain.

> But i do want to do the work more... of course that has been my

story

> for quite some time.

> since joining this list.

>

> I sort of wish katie would talk about her challenges more.. but i

> guess to her that would be the past story.. and it is no longer

true

> for her

> love, roslyn

>

>

> " because

> > everything is fine just as it is according to kt " , in a way i

wonder

> > if it would be the same for kt when she would not live in her

> > circumstances/stting, but for example in any terrible war zone

of

> > this planet and then in the haunted minority. even when she was

in

> > big trouble, she had shelter, food, cloths and people around.

she

> > was able to earn money from at home, as far as i remember from

> > reading in books, i might be wrong. and today she also not in a

poor

> > condition. that's ok. it's been said to me that the tibetian

people

> > no matter how haunted and tortured they are, still are a rather

> > happy nation. i wonder if kt would be the one she is and can be

now,

> > if she was living in a slum, uneducated, sexually abused, with

aids

> > and alcoholics around her.

> > i wonder if people in such a setting have a thinking/feeling

> > of " everything is fine just as it is " .

> > i just don't know.

> > i would like to give that question into this list, especially to

the

> > people who have long lasting experiences with katie and perhaps

have

> > done the school with her, etc.

> >

> > thanks for asking flower tami, as i " feared " , this was not small

> > talk, ; -) (guess i different topic for " small talk " ) love

rose

> > > T

> > >

> > >

> > > -- Re: If died, would you be

sad?

> > > >

> > > > Absolutely not! has spoken of death many times and she

has

> > no

> > > problem

> > > > with it at all.

> > > > In fact she has spoken of almost being in a car accident and

> > > laughing as the

> > > > other vehicle came towards hers.

> > > >

> > > > Vivian

> > > > If died, would you be sad?

> > > >

> > > > If you died, would be sad?

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

> just briefly (i'm on my way to bed an will be in the hospital the

> next few days)

Rose,

I love that you're going to be in the hospital for the next few days.

Have fun!