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Rick - I am not on insulin either and I can not imagine not using a blood

monitor! You really have to know what is going on " in there " and what

different foods do to your blood sugar levels- I think that your doctor has

some old fashioned ideas. Control is the name of the game and you need a

monitor to tell you how you are doing in that control - I urge you to get

one! Rebekah

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Rick - the other thing about taking your blood sugar readings (BG) is: I have

a number in mind that, if I go over, I get moving - literally doing something

to bring this number down sooner than it would come down on its own. My doc

has suggested 140, so if I ever get a reading that high or higher I start

moving, moving, moving. Thankfully I don't get them often with my low carb

diet and I try and do some regular exercise, daily of course, but it makes

me feel better (at least mentally) to move and get those high numbers down.

Anyone else have thoughts on this? Rebekah

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Wow... I keep my carbs at 20 or less a day. At 300 my bg's would shoot me

to the moon, LOL.

Meenie

carb question

>

>

>If the non-diabetic person is on a 2,000 calorie a day

>diet, he/she shouldn't have more than 300 carbs a day.

> So is a person is on a 1,700 calorie a day diet,

>he/she shouldn't have more than 255 carbs a day

>(according to my calculations). Is this the max I

>should have as a type II diabetic (non-insulin

>dependant)?

>

>Thanks,

>Rick

>

>

>=====

>

>

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Rick, I think your meter is the most immediate ruler to use as to your

carbo intake, you will set some peak level, and keep improving on it. I

started at 150 and kept reducing it, I seldom gget to 120 now. Sam

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I haven't been told what my carb intake should be. Is

there a set amount for daibetics or is it dependent on

the person?

Rick

--- Meenie wrote:

>

>

> Wow... I keep my carbs at 20 or less a day. At 300

> my bg's would shoot me

> to the moon, LOL.

> Meenie

>

> carb question

>

>

> >

> >

> >If the non-diabetic person is on a 2,000 calorie a

> day

> >diet, he/she shouldn't have more than 300 carbs a

> day.

> > So is a person is on a 1,700 calorie a day diet,

> >he/she shouldn't have more than 255 carbs a day

> >(according to my calculations). Is this the max I

> >should have as a type II diabetic (non-insulin

> >dependant)?

> >

> >Thanks,

> >Rick

> >

> >

> >=====

> >

> >

>

> ---------------------------

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My doctor has told me that since I am not insulin

dependent, I don't need to use a meter. I have heard

and read that I should monitor my bg daily. Any

thoughts on this?

thanks,

Rick

--- E Levy wrote:

>

>

> Rick, I think your meter is the most immediate ruler

> to use as to your

> carbo intake, you will set some peak level, and keep

> improving on it. I

> started at 150 and kept reducing it, I seldom gget

> to 120 now. Sam

>

> ---------------------------

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METERING. You cannot tell what your sugars are without a blood glucose

monitor. Your medical service may have adopted a particular meter, and

supply a matching tape. There is also the question of what do you do

with readings after taking them. I use a meter with a 250 reading

memory, along with time and date that can record not only sugars, but

other events as well. It has a stereo socket in the side and using a

special connector and software it may be read into your computer for

graphing and calculations. It should be part of your BG control process,

the information used to correct your care and behavior. I use the One

Touch Profile meter which I encouraged my service to adopt (Kaiser). The

cable is available from Lifescan for $5, certainly a bargain as others

cost much more. I find them reliable, and the readings may be set

correctly using a control test solution that comes with the meter.

WHAT DO I DO WITH THE READINGS?

The meter reads your BG, you must correct your behavior to bring your

sugars nearer 100. You may feel comfortable with a lower reading, I

don’t start to feel low until 80, I start to feel sugar shock at 64. You

should not let your sugar fall low, if you are on medication, you risk

the danger of falling unconscious, unable to correct your sugars. If I

have a high sugar at mealtime, I put off the meal, I like to be about 90

before meals. My morning (fasting) sugar is around 90-95,. It will come

up to 100 just by activity, such as driving to the hospital for test

with an empty bowel. In 2 more hours it is down to 95. I am not a

brittle diabetic, I still have some ability to control my sugar, and

thus I am able to use diet only for control. If I take the slightest

amount of oral medication, it drives my sugar down fast, I call it a

crash, or near sugar shock. I read my sugars 90 minutes after eating

new foods, to find what amounts were suitable, and how they raised my

sugar. I eat small meals, leave room for snacks during the day, I call

it grazing. Diabetes means you have lost the ability to eat big meals,

and use the reserve sugars between meals. Eating large meals your sugar

goes high, and you run out of sugar between meals. Rather than

experience highs and lows, I eat through the day. I have small meals

and add dishes of mixed fruit. I don’t eat it all at once. They are

prepared with a plastic wrap cover, and I eat half at a time. There is

dietary room for a bite of sweets or a small sandwich with meat and

cheese, one slice of black bread. Maybe a croissant, or even a tiny

candy. The principle is not to have big meals you can’t handle, but to

smooth your intake through the day. Eat part of a sandwich, and wrap it

back up if you brown bag.

To make a blood sugar test wash your hands, any residual sugar can throw

your reading off. The moisture softens your skin, the better to separate

the tapes. I put a tape partly into the meter (it checks 2 tapes aren’t

stuck together), and start the meter. I pick up the lancet and cock it,

and when told to insert the tape push it all the way in. I place the

lance against a finger and when it says apply, I trigger the lance and

lay it aside. I use the thumb of the same hand and the thumb and index

finger of the other hand to surround the lanced finger and squeeze it,

and force a small drop of blood on top of my finger, about half the size

of the tape spot. I lay the finger on the strip holder to one side, and

rotate it to place the drop on the test spot. I make sure it fills the

spot, or move my finger to aid it, do not press the spot. I have a paper

towel at hand, and grab the towel with my finger to stanch the flow. If

there is any blood spilled I absorb it with the towel. I reuse lancets

several months, I find the B & D ultrafine III lancets hurt less, draw

blood easier, heal faster. Do not share lancets with anyone, always use

a new one. Some practice sticking the sides of their fingers toward the

nail, fewer nerves, not used for typing etc. I leave my used tapes in

the meter where they dry harmlessly, don’t bleed on things.

I see the latest lances have dial controls to set the depth of the

penetration. I encourage you to write me and discuss your questions and

problems.

SOFTWARE and charting. Why use software to graph your sugars? It

enables you to see what times of day you have problems, and what

problems. Unless meter readings are presented systematically, you have

not extracted the information from them. I have software from Lifescan.

Go to their site, click the right hand button, click on Profile, look at

software under the Profile. I also use DIABASS, diabetic assistant. See

http://www.diabtrends.com/scrshot2.htm

The screens expand, they said the trial software works for 15 days. It

takes some learning, and they are not pushing it here in the US, most

are sold in Europe. It is fast, small in size, in color, but prints B & W.

It is the best! Boehringer-Mannheim (Roche now) has a download cable and

software, call their 800 number.

What sorts of presentations are available? They all show readings on a

calendar graph, just connect the dots, with some limits shown that you

can set. An important one is the standard day, where the readings are

shown on a 24 hour scale for the time period you set. It quickly shows

what times of day you have trouble, highs or lows. The statistics has a

standard deviation that rates how steady your readings are. Diabass

creates an HbA1C reading from your data. It explores the relation

between insulin shots and carbohydrate intake, useful for type 1.

Feel free to write and discuss diabetic subjects, Sam in San Diego

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Hi folks,

This monitoring issue can be a real puzzle to newbies. I recently posted

about a relevant study on my list, TheDiabetesCureonelist. I hope you

won't mind the cross-post; I think the information will be useful to some.

Here's the post. Hope it helps.

Kramer

---------------------------

This topic has been a major item of discussion on a number of diabetes lists

lately. Dr. Cherewatenko addresses the subject very well in The Diabetes

Cure. The topic is blood glucose monitoring, and it's part of Step 8 of The

Diabetes Cure.

Results from a major study published in the New England Journal of Medicine

in 1993 (NEJM, 329:977-986, 1993) overwhelmingly support tight glucose

control. The study, The Diabetes Control and Complications Trial (DCCT), was

conducted by a number of diabetes researchers, including Dr. Sivitz

and Dr.Rodney Zeitler. The study followed 1,441 people with diabetes over a

10 year period. Half of them checked their glucose levels two or three times

per day. The other half tested their glucose levels four to seven times per

day.

The results surprised nearly everyone, even some of the doctors who had long

advocated tight control.

Eyes: The development of retinopathy (eye damage) was the same between the

two groups for three years, but by the fourth year the gap widened and

continued to widen for the remainder of the study. By the 10th year the

intensive therapy group had a 60% reduction in eye damage.

Kidneys: The appearance of protein in the urine was monitored because

healthy kidneys do not allow protein to appear in the urine. Low levels of

protein appeared in the urine of 35% of subjects on conventional treatment

but in only 25% on intensive treatment. High levels appeared in the urine of

10% of subjects on conventional but in only 5% on intensive treatment.

Nerve Damage: After five years, 10% of those on conventional treatment

showed nerve damage but only 3% of those on intensive treatment showed

damage -- a 70% risk reduction!

What does this mean for health care?

Physicians now know what could only be assumed before, that tight control of

blood sugar delays complications of diabetes. For the intensive therapy

group to succeed, one of the lessons from the DCCT was that it required a

team effort: patients, physicians, nutritionists, nurses, and psychologists.

Most importantly, it put the person with diabetes in the " driver's seat " ,

making " intensive management " of their diabetes part of daily life.

Keeping tight blood glucose control means frequently monitoring your blood

with a glucose meter. Based on the results, you can quickly adjust diet,

exercise, or medication to keep levels within an acceptable range.

Consumer Reports tested a number of glucose meters for convenience,

accuracy, and consistency, and rated the top 8:

1. Glucometer Elite.

2. Lifescan One Touch Profile

3. Accu-Chex Advantage

4. Lifescan One Touch Basic

5. Accu-Chek Easy

6. MediSense Precision O.I.D.

7. Glucometer Encore

8. Accu-Chek III

Not on the list, but a personal favorite of Dr. Vern's, is the Duet Glucose

Monitor by LXN Corp. It's much more costly than some, but it has the ability

to perform the glyco-protein test, which measures the levels of glucose

control over a 1-3 week period. This allows much less individual testing,

improves compliance, allows for trends in glucose levels, and can also test

the standard glucose levels.

The full text of the DCCT Study Implications is located here:

http://www.cde.com/diabetes.world/dcct.htm

More later!

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Thanks ,

This is very informative and most welcome! This highlights the importance

of good control very well.

The info about the Duet monitor was certainly interesting.. it says it can

show the average of glucose levels over several weeks? Is this done with a

finger prick? Does anyone here have this monitor? I'd like to know more

about it.

Thanks!

Meenie

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I agree wholeheartedly, Rebekah. Exercise can make a big difference!! Do it

regularly and also if you see a high bg... unless of course you're sick and

can't.

Remember your body tosses in extra bg's when you're sick to protect you. If

you can't hold down food and your bg goes too low your brain can't function,

so your body holds glucose in reserve for just such a time.

Meenie

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>From: Gr8Scot5@...

>

>Rick - the other thing about taking your blood sugar readings (BG) is: I

have

>a number in mind that, if I go over, I get moving - literally doing

something

>to bring this number down sooner than it would come down on its own. My doc

>has suggested 140, so if I ever get a reading that high or higher I start

>moving, moving, moving. Thankfully I don't get them often with my low carb

>diet and I try and do some regular exercise, daily of course, but it makes

>me feel better (at least mentally) to move and get those high numbers down.

>Anyone else have thoughts on this? Rebekah

>

>

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Rick,

Run , don't walk, and get yourself another doctor. I'm not kidding! This

is old school thinking... a prehistoric idea in which the doctor thinks he

is god and wants you to come to HIM to figure out what to do in every

instance. You can be passive and go along with this or you can take control

, get a meter and stop the problems before they start.

I would hazard a guess that this is a family practice doctor? If you can get

an endocrinologist or a diabetologist, go for that. You want a doctor who

will work with you in controlling this.

There is NO WAY to control your bg's unless you know what they are. Insulin

has nothing to do with it. If you want to control with diet and exercise

alone you still need to know how you are doing and what you need to change,

a meter will tell you what you need to do.

Many GP's aren't much interested in a healthy diabetic, once you have

complications they are more eager to be aggressive. Don't let it reach that

point!

Meenie

Re: carb question

>

>

>My doctor has told me that since I am not insulin

>dependent, I don't need to use a meter. I have heard

>and read that I should monitor my bg daily. Any

>thoughts on this?

>

>thanks,

>Rick

>

>--- E Levy wrote:

>>

>>

>> Rick, I think your meter is the most immediate ruler

>> to use as to your

>> carbo intake, you will set some peak level, and keep

>> improving on it. I

>> started at 150 and kept reducing it, I seldom gget

>> to 120 now. Sam

>>

>> ---------------------------

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It depends on what type of diet you are willing to follow. If you go low

fat the carbs allowed will be higher, but you will have to be very strict

about what and when you eat.

If you go low carb, carbs will be severly limited, but the rest of the foods

will be much looser. ie, you can eat more. So if you are someone who loves

to eat, low carb might be a good route for you.

I'd suggest reading either Atkin's or Berenstein and see what you think

about what they say. I do Atkin's and was immediately impressed when I read

the book. I could relate my life to exactly what he said!

In the meantime keep in mind that carbs break down in the body to sugar.

A baked potatoe equals approx. 8 teaspoons of sugar. and go from there.

Meenie

carb question

>>

>>

>> >

>> >

>> >If the non-diabetic person is on a 2,000 calorie a

>> day

>> >diet, he/she shouldn't have more than 300 carbs a

>> day.

>> > So is a person is on a 1,700 calorie a day diet,

>> >he/she shouldn't have more than 255 carbs a day

>> >(according to my calculations). Is this the max I

>> >should have as a type II diabetic (non-insulin

>> >dependant)?

>> >

>> >Thanks,

>> >Rick

>> >

>> >

>> >=====

>> >

>> >

>>

>> ---------------------------

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Thanks Meenie, I have an appointment with an

endocrinologist on the 23rd. Hopefully he will take a

little more interest in my health than this gp I have

seen.

Rick

--- Meenie wrote:

>

>

> Rick,

> Run , don't walk, and get yourself another doctor.

> I'm not kidding! This

> is old school thinking... a prehistoric idea in

> which the doctor thinks he

> is god and wants you to come to HIM to figure out

> what to do in every

> instance. You can be passive and go along with this

> or you can take control

> , get a meter and stop the problems before they

> start.

> I would hazard a guess that this is a family

> practice doctor? If you can get

> an endocrinologist or a diabetologist, go for that.

> You want a doctor who

> will work with you in controlling this.

> There is NO WAY to control your bg's unless you know

> what they are. Insulin

> has nothing to do with it. If you want to control

> with diet and exercise

> alone you still need to know how you are doing and

> what you need to change,

> a meter will tell you what you need to do.

> Many GP's aren't much interested in a healthy

> diabetic, once you have

> complications they are more eager to be aggressive.

> Don't let it reach that

> point!

> Meenie

> Re: carb question

>

>

> >

> >

> >My doctor has told me that since I am not insulin

> >dependent, I don't need to use a meter. I have

> heard

> >and read that I should monitor my bg daily. Any

> >thoughts on this?

> >

> >thanks,

> >Rick

> >

> >--- E Levy wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> Rick, I think your meter is the most immediate

> ruler

> >> to use as to your

> >> carbo intake, you will set some peak level, and

> keep

> >> improving on it. I

> >> started at 150 and kept reducing it, I seldom

> gget

> >> to 120 now. Sam

> >>

> >> ---------------------------

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My GP is great BUT he does not have the expertise to really handle

diabetes. He insisted that I see an endo and knew exactly who he wanted me

to see. My endo is great and he listens, yes listens to me.

Type 2 pumping a MM507c since 11/2/99

Vern Catron

Email: vcatron@... Web Pages:

http://www.jacksonville.net/~vcatron

Living History: French Huguenot 1560's, Gordons Musketeers 1640's, British

Marines 1770-90, 1st NYV Engineers 1861-65

Re: carb question

>>

>>

>> >

>> >

>> >My doctor has told me that since I am not insulin

>> >dependent, I don't need to use a meter. I have

>> heard

>> >and read that I should monitor my bg daily. Any

>> >thoughts on this?

>> >

>> >thanks,

>> >Rick

>> >

>> >--- E Levy wrote:

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Rick, I think your meter is the most immediate

>> ruler

>> >> to use as to your

>> >> carbo intake, you will set some peak level, and

>> keep

>> >> improving on it. I

>> >> started at 150 and kept reducing it, I seldom

>> gget

>> >> to 120 now. Sam

>> >>

>> >> ---------------------------

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Sounds great, Rick. My daughter had gestational diabetes when she was

pregnant. Endo kept her on very strict diet with insulin...said her baby

would thank her for strict control. Everything worked out great. Think

endo is the way to go, although I haven't seen one myself. My gp approved

my attendance at diabetes workshop. Insurance paid and also got meter

(Glucometer Elite XL). Just gotta get myself back on track.....kinda fell

by the wayside during the last few weeks. Wish me luck....tomorrow is

another day.

At 07:18 AM 11/7/99 -0800, you wrote:

>

>

>Thanks Meenie, I have an appointment with an

>endocrinologist on the 23rd. Hopefully he will take a

>little more interest in my health than this gp I have

>seen.

>

>Rick

>

>--- Meenie wrote:

>>

>>

>> Rick,

>> Run , don't walk, and get yourself another doctor.

>> I'm not kidding! This

>> is old school thinking... a prehistoric idea in

>> which the doctor thinks he

>> is god and wants you to come to HIM to figure out

>> what to do in every

>> instance. You can be passive and go along with this

>> or you can take control

>> , get a meter and stop the problems before they

>> start.

>> I would hazard a guess that this is a family

>> practice doctor? If you can get

>> an endocrinologist or a diabetologist, go for that.

>> You want a doctor who

>> will work with you in controlling this.

>> There is NO WAY to control your bg's unless you know

>> what they are. Insulin

>> has nothing to do with it. If you want to control

>> with diet and exercise

>> alone you still need to know how you are doing and

>> what you need to change,

>> a meter will tell you what you need to do.

>> Many GP's aren't much interested in a healthy

>> diabetic, once you have

>> complications they are more eager to be aggressive.

>> Don't let it reach that

>> point!

>> Meenie

>> Re: carb question

>>

>>

>> >

>> >

>> >My doctor has told me that since I am not insulin

>> >dependent, I don't need to use a meter. I have

>> heard

>> >and read that I should monitor my bg daily. Any

>> >thoughts on this?

>> >

>> >thanks,

>> >Rick

>> >

>> >--- E Levy wrote:

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Rick, I think your meter is the most immediate

>> ruler

>> >> to use as to your

>> >> carbo intake, you will set some peak level, and

>> keep

>> >> improving on it. I

>> >> started at 150 and kept reducing it, I seldom

>> gget

>> >> to 120 now. Sam

>> >>

>> >> ---------------------------

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Thats great, Vern,

You're so lucky. Thats just what a GP should do. They're great for taking

care of everyday kinda things, but when someone shows up with something like

diabetes, they should be sent to a doctor who specialized in that problem.

Meenie

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Hi Rick,

It really is dependent on the person. In general, you should keep your carb

level at least as low as the ADA guidelines. That is low enough for some

people. Others need lower, like the Zone diet. Others need lower still, like

Atkins. What is most important is to find something that you feel that you

can stick with, and helps your blood sugars.

W.

>Message: 10

> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 09:00:39 -0800 (PST)

>

>Subject: Re: carb question

>

>I haven't been told what my carb intake should be. Is

>there a set amount for daibetics or is it dependent on

>the person?

>

>Rick

>

>--- Meenie wrote:

> >

> >

> > Wow... I keep my carbs at 20 or less a day. At 300

> > my bg's would shoot me

> > to the moon, LOL.

> > Meenie

> >

> > carb question

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >If the non-diabetic person is on a 2,000 calorie a

> > day

> > >diet, he/she shouldn't have more than 300 carbs a

> > day.

> > > So is a person is on a 1,700 calorie a day diet,

> > >he/she shouldn't have more than 255 carbs a day

> > >(according to my calculations). Is this the max I

> > >should have as a type II diabetic (non-insulin

> > >dependant)?

> > >

> > >Thanks,

> > >Rick

> > >

> > >

> > >=====

> > >

> > >

> >

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Thanks for the advice . I haven't been able to

find the ADA guidelines regarding carbs. I have been

doing a lot of reading and have decided to stick to an

1800 calorie plan with consisting of 40% carbs and 25%

fat until I can get to the endorinologist on the 23rd.

It sure takes a lot of reading to get comfortable

with a disease. <grin>

Rick

--- Word wrote:

>

>

> Hi Rick,

>

> It really is dependent on the person. In general,

> you should keep your carb

> level at least as low as the ADA guidelines. That is

> low enough for some

> people. Others need lower, like the Zone diet.

> Others need lower still, like

> Atkins. What is most important is to find something

> that you feel that you

> can stick with, and helps your blood sugars.

>

> W.

>

> >Message: 10

> > Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 09:00:39 -0800 (PST)

> >

> >Subject: Re: carb question

> >

> >I haven't been told what my carb intake should be.

> Is

> >there a set amount for daibetics or is it dependent

> on

> >the person?

> >

> >Rick

> >

> >--- Meenie wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Wow... I keep my carbs at 20 or less a day. At

> 300

> > > my bg's would shoot me

> > > to the moon, LOL.

> > > Meenie

> > >

> > > carb question

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >If the non-diabetic person is on a 2,000

> calorie a

> > > day

> > > >diet, he/she shouldn't have more than 300 carbs

> a

> > > day.

> > > > So is a person is on a 1,700 calorie a day

> diet,

> > > >he/she shouldn't have more than 255 carbs a day

> > > >(according to my calculations). Is this the

> max I

> > > >should have as a type II diabetic (non-insulin

> > > >dependant)?

> > > >

> > > >Thanks,

> > > >Rick

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >=====

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

>

> ---------------------------

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, what's zone diet?

fp

>Hi Rick,

>

>It really is dependent on the person. In general, you should keep your carb

>level at least as low as the ADA guidelines. That is low enough for some

>people. Others need lower, like the Zone diet. Others need lower still,

like

>Atkins. What is most important is to find something that you feel that you

>can stick with, and helps your blood sugars.

>

> W.

>

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The Zone is a diet where you have a strict balance of each type of food.

The book was intriguing, but it seemed like a tremendous juggling act to

figure out what you could eat.

Meenie

>

>, what's zone diet?

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Is there a website, Meenie?

fp

Re: Re: carb question

>

>

>The Zone is a diet where you have a strict balance of each type of food.

>The book was intriguing, but it seemed like a tremendous juggling act to

>figure out what you could eat.

> Meenie

>

>>

>>, what's zone diet?

>

>

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I'm sure there is, but don't know where it is :) Try a search on " TheZone "

written all together like that.

Meenie

>

>

>Is there a website, Meenie?

>fp

>

> Re: Re: carb question

>

>

>>

>>

>>The Zone is a diet where you have a strict balance of each type of food.

>>The book was intriguing, but it seemed like a tremendous juggling act to

>>figure out what you could eat.

>> Meenie

>>

>>>

>>>, what's zone diet?

>>

>>

>

>

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