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>After i got the diagnosis from Dr. Milhorat i called and talked with this

>neurologist and told him that i was diagnosed with Chiari type 1 and he said

>he knew that i had that, but that he didn't think it would account for my

>symptoms!!! I was a bit upset about that, but it turns out that he really

>only knew the old textbook symptoms and since i wasn't having them, he didn't

>think Chiari could be the cause.

I am very curious about the old textbook symptoms...what are they exactly?

Judy Marie

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In a message dated 2/8/99 6:03:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, ronny@...

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<< He said it's very obvious

>condition and they never leave it off MRI reports if it's there.

I've heard of cases where they have failed to notice it or (perhaps worse?)

seen it and didn't bother to mention it on the report. >>

I never knew that i had ACM until just last year when i went and got my MRI's

and looked at them myself and then sent them to Dr. Milhorat in NY.

When i went and got a set of the films that were done in 1992 the Chiari

malformation was circled in red grease pencil!!!! But the doctor had made no

mention of low lying tonsils. Then i looked at the 1996 and 1997 films and

the herniation was even larger, the written report did state low lying tonsils

which may possibly be under pressure, or some such thing. But my neuro told

me that it would not apply to my condition at all. (he was seeing me for

possible ms).

After i got the diagnosis from Dr. Milhorat i called and talked with this

neurologist and told him that i was diagnosed with Chiari type 1 and he said

he knew that i had that, but that he didn't think it would account for my

symptoms!!! I was a bit upset about that, but it turns out that he really

only knew the old textbook symptoms and since i wasn't having them, he didn't

think Chiari could be the cause. After discussing this with him he asked me

to please let him know how things turned out cause he really was interested.

Anyway, just goes to show you that it can be on the films and not in the

report, or can be in the report and the doc doesn't tell you about it because

he thinks it is irrelevant to your case.

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Hello everyone,

I hope you are all doing well and had a good weekend. I thought I'd give you

an update. I saw my doctor today and he said he can no longer help me. He

said the MRI report would have said ACM if it was there even though he

didn't specifically ask about it. He said it's very obvious condition and

they never leave it off MRI reports if it's there. I told him that the

fluid/pressure in my left ear was still there after a month and he said that

was amazing because there was absolutely nothing wrong with my ear. The

whole appointment was such a waste of time and I could see him thinking

" mental case " I'm so frustrated!!!! He's going to send a little letter off

to my family doctor and I'm sure it's going to be one my insurance company

would love to get their hands on. I'm going to get on the phone and call

some of the doctors offices that you have all so kindly recommended to me. I

think I can only take one more " you're fine " or it's all in your head

appointment. Actually I don't know if I can even handle one more. I think

the next one he'll be right in saying I'm nuts because I'm quickly heading

that way. Well, off to make some phone calls.

Take care,

Farrow

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In a message dated 2/8/99 6:49:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,

mrmick@... writes:

<< He said it's very obvious

> >condition and they never leave it off MRI reports if it's there. >>

Pharoah,

Just another example of never say never. I had my first mri ever in 1990 and

three or four after that, they all missed it and mine is 68 mm. Always check

your records and request copies of everything.

Good luck

Molly

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In a message dated 2/8/99 7:00:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, kitten@...

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<< I am very curious about the old textbook symptoms...what are they exactly?

Judy Marie

>>

I believe he stated downward gaze nystagmus, headache - especially cough

headache, and loss of sensation in neck and shoulders. (course the latter

symptoms to me sounds more like sm)

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At 01:47 PM 2/8/1999 -0500, pharoah wrote:

> He said the MRI report would have said ACM if it was there

>even though he didn't specifically ask about it. He said it's very obvious

>condition and they never leave it off MRI reports if it's there.

I've heard of cases where they have failed to notice it or (perhaps worse?)

seen it and didn't bother to mention it on the report. I have no reason to

doubt your doctor specifically, but you need to get copies of the results

just in case. Not just the report - make sure you get the actual pics.

ronny

World ACM Association http://www.pressenter.com/~wacma

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I have been recently diagnosed with ACM. My neuro showed me the ACM on an

MRI I had in 1996. No one noticed it back then. At that time I was

paralyzed.(Briefly thank goodness) I just had another MRI in January and no

one noticed it then either. I was having all sorts of symptoms. Gait

ataxia, slurred speech, dizziness, muscle weakness, vision problems, muscle

shocks and the list goes on. I went to see my neuro ( a different one) , he

found it on the MRI film while I was waiting in his office. He said quite

matter-of-factly, " You do have a congenital anomaly. " So definitely docs

can miss it. I've had three MRIs in the last nine years and no one caught

it til now. I'm going to get as many opinions as I need until I find

someone who will listen and who understands chiari. Good luck Pharoah! God

Bless you,Leanne

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>At 01:47 PM 2/8/1999 -0500, pharoah wrote:

>> He said the MRI report would have said ACM if it was there

>>even though he didn't specifically ask about it. He said it's very obvious

>>condition and they never leave it off MRI reports if it's there.

>

>I've heard of cases where they have failed to notice it or (perhaps worse?)

>seen it and didn't bother to mention it on the report. I have no reason to

>doubt your doctor specifically, but you need to get copies of the results

>just in case. Not just the report - make sure you get the actual pics.

>

>

>ronny

>World ACM Association http://www.pressenter.com/~wacma

>

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> At 01:47 PM 2/8/1999 -0500, pharoah wrote:

> > He said the MRI report would have said ACM if it was there

> >even though he didn't specifically ask about it. He said it's very obvious

> >condition and they never leave it off MRI reports if it's there.

When I had my first MRI done, the radiologist that read it AND the neurosurgeon

that I went to did not see the Chiari. It was only when I went for a second

opinion that the new nsg saw the Chiari. And he said that it was quite large.

So--------if you are not sure of the doctor's diagnosis, get your films and

have someone else look at them.

M.

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Hi Kathleen, I'm new to this list. I've been on the Letstalk since last

week when I found out about my condition. I have actually been having

symptoms since 1990. I have been hearing MS since then, but no evidence

from tests. I have had times of 'remission' where I feel so good- except

for the dizziness. That's always been there. Just not as bad sometimes. I

also had vision problems. But at least now I know what I'm dealing with. I

just wish more was known about this disease. Maybe I'll go on a

international campaign to get our cause known!!! Anyone want to join me?

Hope you're O.K.!! What are your symptoms and your condition now? Look

forward to hearing from you. Where are you located? I'm in Canada. Do you

know of any docs up here familiar with ACM? Talk soon!! Take Care and God

Bless, Leanne

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>Hi Leanne,

>

>I am glad that you continued to look for help. It always amazes me the

>people that have been misdiagnosed for years. I was very lucky and was

>diagnosed right away.

>

>Kathleen

>

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In a message dated 2/8/99 8:58:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,

clearlycockers@... writes:

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So -- he is so far out in left field here that we may need to pipe oxygen to

him!

Phoenix, AZ

>>

Hey :) I bet left feild is awfully crowded with doc's who need LOTS (just

stressing, not shouting) oxygen:)

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Farrow wrote:

>He

>said the MRI report would have said ACM if it was there even though he

>didn't specifically ask about it. He said it's very obvious condition and

>they never leave it off MRI reports if it's there.

Tell him that is a big load of BUNK!!!!! I had an MRI done at St. Joe's in

Phoenix -- this is where Barrow's Neurological is located and NOTHING I

repeat NOTHING was said about it. This was three full years before it was

finally diagnosed and at the time of that MRI the herniation was 11mm.

So -- he is so far out in left field here that we may need to pipe oxygen to

him!

Phoenix, AZ

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