Re: ...just really bummed out CBT

[Guest guest]

Behavior therapy helps you weaken the connections

between troublesome situations and your habitual

reactions to them. Reactions such as fear, depression

or rage, and self-defeating or self-damaging behavior.

It also teaches you how to calm your mind and body, so

you can feel better, think more clearly, and make

better decisions.

Cognitive therapy teaches you how certain thinking

patterns are causing your symptoms — by giving you a

distorted picture of what's going on in your life, and

making you feel anxious, depressed or angry for no

good reason, or provoking you into ill-chosen actions.

When combined into CBT, behavior therapy and cognitive

therapy provide you with very powerful tools for

stopping your symptoms and getting your life on a more

satisfying track.

--- Gerald Newport wrote:

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> > > I've never heard of Cognitive Behavioral therapy

> I just know

> that

> > > it works.

> >

> > That's a really, really, *really* weird thing to

> say. How, pray

> > tell, can you know that a certain procedure works

> if you've never

> > even heard of it?

> >

> > --Parrish

> >

>

> You beat me to the punch, Parrish. Red, next

> time you call AAA to

> jumpstart your car, make sure the cables are hooked

> to your car

> battery, not your temples.

>

> Sorry, but that was too easy....

>

> Jerry

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[Guest guest]

> > > > I've never heard of Cognitive Behavioral therapy

> > I just know

> > that

> > > > it works.

> > >

> > > That's a really, really, *really* weird thing to

> > say. How, pray

> > > tell, can you know that a certain procedure works

> > if you've never

> > > even heard of it?

> > >

> > > --Parrish

> > >

> >

> > You beat me to the punch, Parrish. Red, next

> > time you call AAA to

> > jumpstart your car, make sure the cables are hooked

> > to your car

> > battery, not your temples.

> >

> > Sorry, but that was too easy....

> >

> > Jerry

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Hey Jerry

I didnt miss your point at all. If red is saying that

he never heard of it, I thought maybe I should post a

definition. I kinda felt like I should have posted it

to start off with, so I wanted to add it.

I've heard of Tony Attwood, but never read anything by

him...

Serena

--- Gerald Newport wrote:

>

> > > > > I've never heard of Cognitive Behavioral

> therapy

> > > I just know

> > > that

> > > > > it works.

> > > >

> > > > That's a really, really, *really* weird thing

> to

> > > say. How, pray

> > > > tell, can you know that a certain procedure

> works

> > > if you've never

> > > > even heard of it?

> > > >

> > > > --Parrish

> > > >

> > >

> > > You beat me to the punch, Parrish. Red, next

> > > time you call AAA to

> > > jumpstart your car, make sure the cables are

> hooked

> > > to your car

> > > battery, not your temples.

> > >

> > > Sorry, but that was too easy....

> > >

> > > Jerry

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I think what Red was saying was that he was familiar with the concept, but

didn't know there was an official label for it. That's entirely possible.

The concept of choosing your thought pattern ( " Look on the sunny side... " ,

etc.) has been around a lot longer than psych folks have been promoting

" CBT " .

Elayne

http://www.huntfamilyhome.net

" The government thinks you're an idiot. " -- Radley Balko,

www.theagitator.com

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Gerald Newport

> I would love to know how Red can

> know CBT works without having ever heard of it!

[Guest guest]

I take it this is the stuff they use on things like phobias and OCD's.

It sounds different than what was suggested for me earlier this year

which was Socio-Cognitive Therapy to help me understand social

situations/interactions better. It wasn't trying to deal with negative

behaviours of mine at all. Just how to interact for work and

understand peoples intent.

- Sue

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:47:12 -0800 (PST)

Serena Pridgen wrote:

>

> Behavior therapy helps you weaken the connections

> between troublesome situations and your habitual

> reactions to them. Reactions such as fear, depression

> or rage, and self-defeating or self-damaging behavior.

> It also teaches you how to calm your mind and body, so

> you can feel better, think more clearly, and make

> better decisions.

>

> Cognitive therapy teaches you how certain thinking

> patterns are causing your symptoms — by giving you a

> distorted picture of what's going on in your life, and

> making you feel anxious, depressed or angry for no

> good reason, or provoking you into ill-chosen actions.

>

> When combined into CBT, behavior therapy and cognitive

> therapy provide you with very powerful tools for

> stopping your symptoms and getting your life on a more

> satisfying track.

[Guest guest]

>>>Cognitive therapy teaches you how certain thinking

patterns are causing your symptoms — by giving you a

distorted picture of what's going on in your life, and

making you feel anxious, depressed or angry for no

good reason, or provoking you into ill-chosen actions.

When combined into CBT, behavior therapy and cognitive

therapy provide you with very powerful tools for

stopping your symptoms and getting your life on a more

satisfying track.

--- Gerald Newport>>>>

I am undergoing the therapy mentioned above, for two months now, and my

frustration has been that I was asked on several occasions to fill out

forms, now its apparent that I find it so difficult she and I fill it out

together, usually during the session.

The form I had/have difficulty with is one which asks you to breakdown

moments in your life when you *feel* mood shifts. You must identify (in

columns), 'situation,' 'trigger,' 'thoughts,' 'emotions,' then 'reaction, '

and what kind of thinking (drawn from her list) you can benefit from to turn

the situation around. 'expect person to mind-read you,' or for instance,

'all or nothing thinking,' etc.

Sounds great in theory. her hope being, that this type of breakdown into the

categories will then teach you to do this automatically., no not so for me,

I say it will not 'come' naturally by way of osmosis. I found it all

fustrating the first and fifth times I did it, it made my brain hurt and

will not 'just come.'

Dividing thought and emotion i.e. knowing the difference between the two!,

and deciding on the categories, I cannot seem to sort this way.

I am sorry for the therapist, whose methods seem plausible, but not

applicable.

[Guest guest]

....I don't know what its called,but what I have found that works for a lot

of my PTSD triggers has been to gradually increase exposure to something

that has to do with it,like to listen to bits of classical music that has

been major triggers. Or to find some way to study what has scared me,or,in

the case of coping with my molestation,I help others with it or talk with

others in a group. It has really helped a lot.

Gail, Anja & Mullen,

my German Shepherd & Greyhound

Service Dogs

& Flicka the MinPin EmoSD.

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Care deeply. Speak kindly.

Leave the rest to God.

-- Re: ...just really bummed out CBT

I take it this is the stuff they use on things like phobias and OCD's.

It sounds different than what was suggested for me earlier this year

which was Socio-Cognitive Therapy to help me understand social

situations/interactions better. It wasn't trying to deal with negative

behaviours of mine at all. Just how to interact for work and

understand peoples intent.

- Sue

[Guest guest]

Kaye,

I went through a similar form of therapy - it was very useful and

educational for me, and I still get benefit from having learned these

techniques.

> >>>Cognitive therapy teaches you how certain thinking

> patterns are causing your symptoms — by giving you a

> distorted picture of what's going on in your life, and

> making you feel anxious, depressed or angry for no

> good reason, or provoking you into ill-chosen actions.

>

> When combined into CBT, behavior therapy and cognitive

> therapy provide you with very powerful tools for

> stopping your symptoms and getting your life on a more

> satisfying track.

> --- Gerald Newport>>>>

>

>

> I am undergoing the therapy mentioned above, for two months now, and my

> frustration has been that I was asked on several occasions to fill out

> forms, now its apparent that I find it so difficult she and I fill it out

> together, usually during the session.

> The form I had/have difficulty with is one which asks you to breakdown

> moments in your life when you *feel* mood shifts. You must identify (in

> columns), 'situation,' 'trigger,' 'thoughts,' 'emotions,' then 'reaction, '

> and what kind of thinking (drawn from her list) you can benefit from to turn

> the situation around. 'expect person to mind-read you,' or for instance,

> 'all or nothing thinking,' etc.

> Sounds great in theory. her hope being, that this type of breakdown into the

> categories will then teach you to do this automatically., no not so for me,

> I say it will not 'come' naturally by way of osmosis. I found it all

> fustrating the first and fifth times I did it, it made my brain hurt and

> will not 'just come.'

> Dividing thought and emotion i.e. knowing the difference between the two!,

> and deciding on the categories, I cannot seem to sort this way.

> I am sorry for the therapist, whose methods seem plausible, but not

> applicable.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

One day I think it would be wonder if I could do the

same.. even though I've been really lucky at being

empathich... also... maybe the CBT at some point

too.. there's a lot I've never dealt w/ and just

tucked it away..maybe getting a new outlook on them

would help.

--- " a.f.wilson " wrote:

> Kaye,

> I went through a similar form of therapy - it was

> very useful and

> educational for me, and I still get benefit from

> having learned these

> techniques.

>

> On 12/8/05, Kaye GerryTucker

> wrote:

> > >>>Cognitive therapy teaches you how certain

> thinking

> > patterns are causing your symptoms — by giving you

> a

> > distorted picture of what's going on in your life,

> and

> > making you feel anxious, depressed or angry for no

> > good reason, or provoking you into ill-chosen

> actions.

> >

> > When combined into CBT, behavior therapy and

> cognitive

> > therapy provide you with very powerful tools for

> > stopping your symptoms and getting your life on a

> more

> > satisfying track.

> > --- Gerald Newport>>>>

> >

> >

> > I am undergoing the therapy mentioned above, for

> two months now, and my

> > frustration has been that I was asked on several

> occasions to fill out

> > forms, now its apparent that I find it so

> difficult she and I fill it out

> > together, usually during the session.

> > The form I had/have difficulty with is one which

> asks you to breakdown

> > moments in your life when you *feel* mood shifts.

> You must identify (in

> > columns), 'situation,' 'trigger,' 'thoughts,'

> 'emotions,' then 'reaction, '

> > and what kind of thinking (drawn from her list)

> you can benefit from to turn

> > the situation around. 'expect person to mind-read

> you,' or for instance,

> > 'all or nothing thinking,' etc.

> > Sounds great in theory. her hope being, that this

> type of breakdown into the

> > categories will then teach you to do this

> automatically., no not so for me,

> > I say it will not 'come' naturally by way of

> osmosis. I found it all

> > fustrating the first and fifth times I did it, it

> made my brain hurt and

> > will not 'just come.'

> > Dividing thought and emotion i.e. knowing the

> difference between the two!,

> > and deciding on the categories, I cannot seem to

> sort this way.

> > I am sorry for the therapist, whose methods seem

> plausible, but not

> > applicable.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Holthaus wrote:

> I can see how CBT would work in cases where there is really a

> bit of thought creating behaviors an emotions, but if no thoughts at all

> are involved, what then?

Very simple. Our reactions are learned behavior. We can consciously work

at changing a reaction. That is taught in every defensive driving course.

Red