Re: Never underestimate the power of [written] planning.

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> < http://www.filly.ca/life/careers/career_advice/setting-goals-

> finance.asp >

>

> No matter what your goals, you should know that writing out your

> plans gives you a far better shot at making them happen. In fact,

> written goal-setting is a phenomenally powerful act as demonstrated

> by a number of high-profile cases.

>

>

> A compelling example of the power of written goal-setting is

> represented in a 1979 survey of Harvard University students which

> found that 84 percent of them did not set goals. Another 13 percent

> of them did set goals, but didn't bother to write them down. And

> only 3 percent of the graduating class had written goals and an

> action plan. Ten years later, researchers resurveyed the group. The

> 13 percent with unwritten goals were earning double the income of

> those with no goals. But here's the whopper: the 3 percent of the

> student population with written goals earned 10 times as much as the

> other 97 percent!

*** that's the old bleef that lot's of money or reaching goals is the

Thing that makes one happy. ) booohoo!

>

>

> [ NNB ]

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>

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> > > > >

> > > > > theres a katie quote if you want suffering , get a plan..

> > > > So, maybe, the real truth is that

> > > > it is not that I have no plans

> > > > but, maybe, there are some things

> > > > [like paying bills] that I don't consider

> > > > to be *important* enough.

> > > > ac.

> > >

> > > I agree with the saying..

> > >

> > > 'Life is what happens when I make other plans.'

> >

> >

> > I like that axiom too.

> >

> > I also like these:

> >

> > ---- If you fail to plan; you plan to fail! ----

> >

> > ---- If you don't have a plan for yourself;

> > someone else does have a plan for you and

> > it may not be what you really want! -----

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > It's probably just another story I'm running. But the thought of

> > it

> > > brings more peace than stress.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > theres a katie quote if you want suffering , get a

plan..

> > > > > So, maybe, the real truth is that

> > > > > it is not that I have no plans

> > > > > but, maybe, there are some things

> > > > > [like paying bills] that I don't consider

> > > > > to be *important* enough.

> > > > > ac.

> > > >

> > > > I agree with the saying..

> > > >

> > > > 'Life is what happens when I make other plans.'

> > >

> > >

> > > I like that axiom too.

> > >

> > > I also like these:

> > >

> > > ---- If you fail to plan; you plan to fail! ----

> > >

> > > ---- If you don't have a plan for yourself;

> > > someone else does have a plan for you and

> > > it may not be what you really want! -----

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > It's probably just another story I'm running. But the

thought of

> > > it

> > > > brings more peace than stress.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > *** that's the old bleef that lot's of money or reaching goals is

> the

> > Thing that makes one happy. ) booohoo!

>

>

> What is the " new " belief?

>

> Is it that " not having " money will make

> you happy?

>

> Point is that " planning " might help in

> " getting " whatever you think you need or

> want - it can also get you in touch with

> " what you really want " !

>

> Whether you want " money " or something else

> might vary but planning might make getting

> it easier.

>

> Is it true... that you don't want anything?

>

> Is it true... that you " shouldn't " want anything?

>

>

> If not, " planning " to get " what you want "

> might make sense.

>

> Love,

> ac.

oops, here's a response.

oh! was it planned that you were born into a rich, or poor family? was

it planned when you were ten, what happened then?

was it planned that you are married with fights?

wasn't it planned to be married with fights. and if not, what now?

(spare you with my stories. ) )

l. r.

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ooops. my mind likes to be selective in it's perception.

ha ha. that causes trouble, often.

see what i just read:

Notice where your hands are now. Did you plan to put them there? I'm

being lived.

did you plan it written(ly) or .... ah!! confused. )

> > > *** that's the old bleef that lot's of money or reaching goals

is

> > the

> > > Thing that makes one happy. ) booohoo!

> >

> >

> > What is the " new " belief?

> >

> > Is it that " not having " money will make

> > you happy?

> >

> > Point is that " planning " might help in

> > " getting " whatever you think you need or

> > want - it can also get you in touch with

> > " what you really want " !

> >

> > Whether you want " money " or something else

> > might vary but planning might make getting

> > it easier.

> >

> > Is it true... that you don't want anything?

> >

> > Is it true... that you " shouldn't " want anything?

> >

> >

> > If not, " planning " to get " what you want "

> > might make sense.

> >

> > Love,

> > ac.

>

> oops, here's a response.

>

> oh! was it planned that you were born into a rich, or poor family?

was

> it planned when you were ten, what happened then?

> was it planned that you are married with fights?

>

> wasn't it planned to be married with fights. and if not, what now?

> (spare you with my stories. ) )

>

> l. r.

>

[Guest guest]

> > > < http://www.filly.ca/life/careers/career_advice/setting-goals-

> > > finance.asp >

> > >

> > > No matter what your goals, you should know that writing out

your

> > > plans gives you a far better shot at making them happen. In

> fact,

> > > written goal-setting is a phenomenally powerful act as

> demonstrated

> > > by a number of high-profile cases.

> > >

> > >

> > > A compelling example of the power of written goal-setting is

> > > represented in a 1979 survey of Harvard University students

> which

> > > found that 84 percent of them did not set goals. Another 13

> percent

> > > of them did set goals, but didn't bother to write them down.

And

> > > only 3 percent of the graduating class had written goals and

an

> > > action plan. Ten years later, researchers resurveyed the

group.

> The

> > > 13 percent with unwritten goals were earning double the income

> of

> > > those with no goals. But here's the whopper: the 3 percent of

> the

> > > student population with written goals earned 10 times as much

as

> the

> > > other 97 percent!

> >

****

[Guest guest]

thanks adithya..

i copied that and sent it to my kids..

i dont write goals down..

never have.. oh well..maybe i should rh

-- In Loving-what-is , " adithya_comming "

wrote:

>

> < http://www.filly.ca/life/careers/career_advice/setting-goals-

> finance.asp >

>

> No matter what your goals, you should know that writing out your

> plans gives you a far better shot at making them happen. In fact,

> written goal-setting is a phenomenally powerful act as demonstrated

> by a number of high-profile cases.

>

>

> A compelling example of the power of written goal-setting is

> represented in a 1979 survey of Harvard University students which

> found that 84 percent of them did not set goals. Another 13 percent

> of them did set goals, but didn't bother to write them down. And

> only 3 percent of the graduating class had written goals and an

> action plan. Ten years later, researchers resurveyed the group. The

> 13 percent with unwritten goals were earning double the income of

> those with no goals. But here's the whopper: the 3 percent of the

> student population with written goals earned 10 times as much as the

> other 97 percent!

>

>

> [ NNB ]

>

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > theres a katie quote if you want suffering , get a plan..

> > > > So, maybe, the real truth is that

> > > > it is not that I have no plans

> > > > but, maybe, there are some things

> > > > [like paying bills] that I don't consider

> > > > to be *important* enough.

> > > > ac.

> > >

> > > I agree with the saying..

> > >

> > > 'Life is what happens when I make other plans.'

> >

> >

> > I like that axiom too.

> >

> > I also like these:

> >

> > ---- If you fail to plan; you plan to fail! ----

> >

> > ---- If you don't have a plan for yourself;

> > someone else does have a plan for you and

> > it may not be what you really want! -----

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > It's probably just another story I'm running. But the thought of

> > it

> > > brings more peace than stress.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear AC and RH:

Yes, I have seen these Harvard statistics before. My question is,

Which of these students had the happiest life?

How much one earns has no bearing at all on one's happiness.

I understand the power of intention and how powerful writing down our

goals is. I practised that for years but since finding The Work, I

see how it was just my story and DID seem to bring me the things or

situations I wanted but had no bearing on whether I was having a

happy or peaceful life. I found that knowing " what is my purpose "

or " what for " is more important for me. I found that manipulating

the illusion was simply more illusion and was based upon fear. For

me now, setting goals indicates that I am believing that if things

could change I would be happier.... " Hopeless! "

By the way, my experience of is that she is not at all

operating with any plan.

Blessings, Steve D.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > theres a katie quote if you want suffering , get a plan..

> > > > > So, maybe, the real truth is that

> > > > > it is not that I have no plans

> > > > > but, maybe, there are some things

> > > > > [like paying bills] that I don't consider

> > > > > to be *important* enough.

> > > > > ac.

> > > >

> > > > I agree with the saying..

> > > >

> > > > 'Life is what happens when I make other plans.'

> > >

> > >

> > > I like that axiom too.

> > >

> > > I also like these:

> > >

> > > ---- If you fail to plan; you plan to fail! ----

> > >

> > > ---- If you don't have a plan for yourself;

> > > someone else does have a plan for you and

> > > it may not be what you really want! -----

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > It's probably just another story I'm running. But the thought

of

> > > it

> > > > brings more peace than stress.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

hey steve,

rosey loves this sentence,

considers it as brilliant!

> I found that manipulating the illusion was simply more illusion.

and of course, the underlying motive is the wish to controll, and

thats the disguise of fear.

regarding plans. well we all know that katie must make a kind of

plans, like scheduling her trips, etc.

but i suppose she's just open to what happens, whenever and whereever.

i think the difference could be described in: one tends toward a

direction, goal, call it whatever you like, provides, prepares and

structures the things according to it, but is open to deal with

whatever life opens, or presents to this somebody/anybody (unexpectedly).

love, r

[Guest guest]

thanks steve.. i sent your email to my kids..

being happy with the moment the way it is --does seem a much

less stressful way to live.

tami are you working?

love, roslyn

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > theres a katie quote if you want suffering , get a plan..

> > > > > > So, maybe, the real truth is that

> > > > > > it is not that I have no plans

> > > > > > but, maybe, there are some things

> > > > > > [like paying bills] that I don't consider

> > > > > > to be *important* enough.

> > > > > > ac.

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree with the saying..

> > > > >

> > > > > 'Life is what happens when I make other plans.'

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I like that axiom too.

> > > >

> > > > I also like these:

> > > >

> > > > ---- If you fail to plan; you plan to fail! ----

> > > >

> > > > ---- If you don't have a plan for yourself;

> > > > someone else does have a plan for you and

> > > > it may not be what you really want! -----

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > It's probably just another story I'm running. But the thought

> of

> > > > it

> > > > > brings more peace than stress.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Rosie:

You said: " well we all know that katie must make a kind of

plans, like scheduling her trips, etc "

That is not true for me. What I found is that her staff does all the

planning and goes where they tell her.

Blessings, Steve D.

>

> hey steve,

>

> rosey loves this sentence,

> considers it as brilliant!

>

> > I found that manipulating the illusion was simply more illusion.

>

>

> and of course, the underlying motive is the wish to controll, and

> thats the disguise of fear.

>

>

> regarding plans. well we all know that katie must make a kind of

> plans, like scheduling her trips, etc.

> but i suppose she's just open to what happens, whenever and

whereever.

>

> i think the difference could be described in: one tends toward a

> direction, goal, call it whatever you like, provides, prepares and

> structures the things according to it, but is open to deal with

> whatever life opens, or presents to this somebody/anybody

(unexpectedly).

>

> love, r

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Steve

ah! ok. Thanks for that! : )

I love that! (And pls, keep in mind, my background is german. so when

use the term love, i really mean it, it's not just a synonym for " like " .)

We could go on and on with the story. Like: But/and when she/katie

wants to babysit her grandchildren and makes an appointment...

but...

i think i got you.

and i love it, for daddi daddi dahhhaaa reasons.

)

l. r.

> Dear Rosie:

>

> You said: " well we all know that katie must make a kind of

> plans, like scheduling her trips, etc "

>

> That is not true for me. What I found is that her staff does all the

> planning and goes where they tell her.

>

> Blessings, Steve D.

>

>

> >

> > hey steve,

> >

> > rosey loves this sentence,

> > considers it as brilliant!

> >

> > > I found that manipulating the illusion was simply more illusion.

> >

> >

> > and of course, the underlying motive is the wish to controll, and

> > thats the disguise of fear.

> >

> >

> > regarding plans. well we all know that katie must make a kind of

> > plans, like scheduling her trips, etc.

> > but i suppose she's just open to what happens, whenever and

> whereever.

> >

> > i think the difference could be described in: one tends toward a

> > direction, goal, call it whatever you like, provides, prepares and

> > structures the things according to it, but is open to deal with

> > whatever life opens, or presents to this somebody/anybody

> (unexpectedly).

> >

> > love, r

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>>Dear ac.

Dear :

>>where is this going?

I didn't really know.

> Point is that " planning " might help in

> " getting " whatever you think you need or

> want - it can also get you in touch with

> " what you really want " !

>

> Whether you want " money " or something else

> might vary but planning might make getting

> it easier.

>>No " point " s, please.

>>No " career-advices " .

Thanks. I understand.

>>Put down stressful thoughts. Or inquire in the beliefs about

career, success, etc. if you think it would serve you.

Ok.

I think those who combine natural talents

with discipline, organization and planning

.... succeed!

Through careful inquiry into their purpose,

goals, wants... they get more in touch with

themselves and find out what is truly important

to them.

Through setting inquired goal, making informed

plans to achieve them... they get to understand

their functioning, their behavior, their character,

habits and limitation better. They get to understand

themselves better and they get to understand what

they can realistically expect from themselves and what

they can not.

Through understanding their own limitation and potentials

- they also get to become more understanding towards the

limitation and potential of others.

Those who make inquired, examined goals and plans and

take time to really understand and write them - become more

aware of themselves. They get to examine, underrated and

decide their priorities. Doing so eliminates confusion and clutter

from their mind and gives way to clear space that allows

clear thinking [or clear peace] to flow.

Through their inquiry, examination and decisions on their

course of action - they eliminate need of repeated, cyclic

thinking.

By making goals, plans and by executing them - then

by examining the results and process - they get to understand

that the results are not always in their control. Further, they

get to understand that the process of mental discipline and

focus and process of creativity itself is greatly rewarding.

Process [also known as karma] is where their true power

lies and this is also where their greatest reward lies.

Mental discipline and focus [and its resultant peace]

is its own reward.

....

I think those who don't carefully inquire into their

desires, wants, goals and purpose - lack clear understanding

of themselves. Those who don't inquire into their priorities

and plan accordingly those who don't execute their plans with focus

and discipline - understand themselves less and are less aware of

themselves.

Less awareness of one's purpose, priorities, capabilities and course

of actions

results into repetitive thinking as things are not clear to the

mind. It also results

into many stressful thoughts like " I could have done that " , " I

should have done

that " , " why did I do this " , " why I didn't do that " . Whereas, a

person who has

fully inquired into his purpose and priorities and has planned

accordingly

and has lived with focus, clarity [because of understanding purpose,

priority

and process] - knows it is doing [and has done] the best it can [or

could have]!

Knowing that it is doing the best it can - such a person has no need

of stressful

thoughts like " I could have " , " I should have " .

....

Whenever I have planned with inquiry and its resultant clarity

and have executed it with metal discipline and focus -

I have received greater Peace!

....

What is your experience with planning?

>>To make a plan is limiting. You divide the world into: this is

welcome. This is not.

That is not my experience. In my experience, planning leads to

*inquired* Aware action.

>>Explore how you react to the stuff that is not welcome. Eventually,

it will happen.

And, *awareness* of that possibility brings gratitude, humility

and compassion. In my view, a person who engages in aware [inquired,

planed] action has better chances of understanding his/her

limitation than

a person who is unconscious [has no idea] of what and why he/she

is doing.

>>And *maybe* everything goes with your plans for the

rest of your life.

>>Does it feel like a happy life to you?

It does sound like a peaceful life.

Inquiry into purpose and priorities, then careful planning and

execution with mental discipline and focus simply eliminates

the need for lot of extra, repetitive thinking. And, when that

happens I experience clarity and peace.

What is your experience with it?

>>Love,

>>

Love,

ac.

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear Adithya,

>

> >> where is this going?

> > I didn't really know.

> >

> >>> Point is that " planning " might help in

> >>> " getting " whatever you think you need or

> >>> want - it can also get you in touch with

> >>> " what you really want " !

> >>> Whether you want " money " or something else

> >>> might vary but planning might make getting

> >>> it easier.

> >> No " point " s, please.

> >> No " career-advices " .

> > Thanks. I understand.

> >

> >> Put down stressful thoughts. Or inquire in the beliefs about

> >> career, success, etc. if you think it would serve you.

> >

> > Ok.

> >

> > I think those who combine natural talents

> > with discipline, organization and planning

> > ... succeed!

> And what does " succeed " mean?

Peace.

>

> > Through careful inquiry into their purpose,

> > goals, wants... they get more in touch with

> > themselves and find out what is truly important

> > to them.

> You know...this doesn't sound like you were talking about you.

I am talking about myself, and just

" guessing " that it might be true

for others.

I think it can be worded as:

Through careful inquiry into my purpose,

goals, wants... I get to be more in touch with

myself and I find out what is truly important

to me.

Therefore, I guess:

Those who do it...

through careful inquiry into their purpose,

goals, wants... get more in touch with

themselves and find out what is truly important

to them.

>

> Is there something stressful about this?

Only fact that I don't do it all the time

and when I don't do it usually I " end up "

stressed.

>

> Like: how do you react around people who in your mind do not plan?

Do not inquire? Do you see them anything less than perfect?

No. I think, they too are " like me " .

OTOH... I feel great respect and reverence for

people whom I think do do it with awareness,

inquiry, discipine and focus.

>

> > Through setting inquired goal, making informed

> > plans to achieve them... they get to understand

> > their functioning, their behavior, their character,

> > habits and limitation better. They get to understand

> > themselves better and they get to understand what

> > they can realistically expect from themselves and what

> > they can not.

> Good! What for?

For making " realistic " plans.

and, for setting " realistic " goals.

>

> Let's talk with a baby: hm... you don't get me with your smile... I

> think you didn't plan enough, today!

>

> Now, say a baby is an exception, it's not yet old enough, etc.

Yes. I think a baby is not " mature " enough.

>

> How do you distiguish who (or what) is better off with " proper " (your

> definition of that, of course) planning?

In my experience, It creates Clarity.

Clarity creates Peace.

>

> > Through understanding their own limitation and potentials

> > - they also get to become more understanding towards the

> > limitation and potential of others.

> Well, talk for yourself.

Sure.

> People don't want to become more

> understanding - they want *you* to understand *them*!

Isn't not the above talking about " people " ?

I don't know what " people " [like me] really

want. I think peoople [like me] in most cases,

aren't even aware of what they really want.

In few other cases, when they know what they

want, sometimes they want others to understand

them - when it suits their purpose. Other times

they don't want others to understand them if that

suits their purpose - such lying, cheating, deceiving.

>Especially the

> part of how they can *not plan* something.

Sure.

and, what about " my " " part " that sometimes

I might say that " awareness of purpose, priority

and process is good " ?

>

> ...

>

> > Less awareness of one's purpose, priorities, capabilities and course

> > of actions results into repetitive thinking as things are not clear

> > to the

> > mind.

> So, HOW clear should one be? Any ideas? According to YOU, that is! ;-)

When " Confusion is Suffering " ...

Clarity is Peace.

and,

Peace is Clarity.

>

> > It also results into many stressful thoughts like " I could have

> > done that " , " I

> > should have done that " , " why did I do this " , " why I didn't do

> > that " . Whereas, a

> > person who has fully inquired into his purpose and priorities and

> > has planned

> > accordingly and has lived with focus, clarity [because of

> > understanding purpose,

> > priority and process] - knows it is doing [and has done] the best

> > it can [or

> > could have]!

> Well, *everyone* is doing the best he can. And sometimes one may be

> aware of that, and sometimes not.

In my expereince, when I am " aware " of it,

I am at peace.

>

> I don't see how it has to do with planning...

Awareness of my purpose, priority, process

and potential... makes me aware of " what

I can really do " .

>

> > Knowing that it is doing the best it can - such a person has no need

> > of stressful thoughts like " I could have " , " I should have " .

> Well, no one has the needs of stressful thoughts like these,

> UNLESS ... he HAS them!

>

> Can you think of a legitimate reason for having these thoughts?

Sure...

It can help examine the " causes " that

make one do something what he now

thinks he shouldn't have done.

Maybe, an inquiry can lead to the

removal of those causes.

>

> > ...

> >

> > Whenever I have planned with inquiry and its resultant clarity

> > and have executed it with metal discipline and focus -

> > I have received greater Peace!

> Good for you. Thank you!

Thank you!

>

> > ...

> >

> > What is your experience with planning?

> My experience is that I sometimes plan, and when my plan fails, it's

> because there is a greater good than what I thought!.

Ok.

>

> >> To make a plan is limiting. You divide the world into: this is

> >> welcome. This is not.

> > That is not my experience. In my experience, planning leads to

> > *inquired* Aware action.

> What is that?

Knowing what, how and why of an action.

>

> >> Explore how you react to the stuff that is not welcome. Eventually,

> >> it will happen.

> > And, *awareness* of that possibility brings gratitude, humility

> > and compassion. In my view, a person who engages in aware [inquired,

> > planed] action has better chances of understanding his/her

> > limitation than

> > a person who is unconscious [has no idea] of what and why he/she

> > is doing.

> As I understand this is what you did, and now you share with us, how

> well it worked for you.

When I am *unconscious* what, why and how

of " what I am doing " ... usually I end up

with stressful thoughts like " I souldn't

ahve done that " , " I should have done that " !

Even while in the middle of unconscious activities

, it leads to " consfusing " and repetitive thoughts

lke - " am I doing the right thing? " , " Should I

be doing this? " , " Should I do this or that? " ,

" I am wasting my time " , " I am doing something

wrong " .

> Thank you for that.

My pleasure. Thanks for the opportunity.

>

> >> And *maybe* everything goes with your plans for the

> >> rest of your life.

> >> Does it feel like a happy life to you?

> > It does sound like a peaceful life.

> >

> > Inquiry into purpose and priorities, then careful planning and

> > execution with mental discipline and focus simply eliminates

> > the need for lot of extra, repetitive thinking. And, when that

> > happens I experience clarity and peace.

> >

> > What is your experience with it?

> Sometimes I plan, sometimes I don't, and I am in peace, unless I am

> not. And when I am not, it's just enough shift to notice where I'm

> off. Sometimes I'd rather be there, sometimes I inquire.

Sure.

>

> Thank you for asking! :-)

Thanks for sharing!

>

> Love,

>

Love,

ac.

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