Re: God shouldn't lie and steal. Is that true?

[Guest guest]

>

> I used to believe lying and stealing were wrong/bad.

>

> Lots of people lie and steal where I live.

>

> So been doing the work on it. And so what, so what if they lie and

> steal. So what.

>

> If I think they shouldn't, I suffer.

> If I'm grateful that they do, I experience joy.

>

> If all is God, it's just God lying and stealing from God anyway.

>

> It gets kinda funny after awhile.

>

In an effort to make this dream of separation/guilt real we try to drag

God into it, which makes him as confused as we are. How can God be in

something that literally does not exist? Just like you (physically) are

not in your dreams when you sleep, Gods Son is not in his dreams when

he sleeps. This of cousre is an analogy for something quite beyond our

comprehension in the dream, but I hope you see what it is pointing to.

The world is a Matrix created by the ego thought system to preserve its

individuality and specialness. The Matrix is not real, which is why

scientists can not explain gravity, or magnetism or find sub-atomic

particles. It could be helpful to think of it as nothing more than

streaming lines of computer code as shown in the Matrix movies. As we

the dreamers withdraw our investment in the Matrix we begin to awaken

to who we really are i.e. a non-dual state of pure Love and holiness.

This explains what happened to when she was lying on the floor in

the boarding house, because she felt too unworthy to sleep in the bed.

After years of depression and wishing she was dead, had

dramatically withdrawn her investment in the ego Matrix (world), which

created a space in which her true being (outside the Matrix) as non-

dual pure Love could be experienced.

" There is no world! This is the central thought the Course attempts to

teach. " W-pI.132.6:2-3.

[Guest guest]

> In an effort to make this dream of separation/guilt real we try to

drag

> God into it, which makes him as confused as we are. How can God be

in

> something that literally does not exist? Just like you

(physically) are

> not in your dreams when you sleep, Gods Son is not in his dreams

when

> he sleeps. This of cousre is an analogy for something quite beyond

our

> comprehension in the dream, but I hope you see what it is pointing

to.

>

> The world is a Matrix created by the ego thought system to

preserve its

> individuality and specialness. The Matrix is not real, which is

why

> scientists can not explain gravity, or magnetism or find sub-

atomic

> particles. It could be helpful to think of it as nothing more than

> streaming lines of computer code as shown in the Matrix movies. As

we

> the dreamers withdraw our investment in the Matrix we begin to

awaken

> to who we really are i.e. a non-dual state of pure Love and

holiness.

> This explains what happened to when she was lying on the

floor in

> the boarding house, because she felt too unworthy to sleep in the

bed.

> After years of depression and wishing she was dead, had

> dramatically withdrawn her investment in the ego Matrix (world),

which

> created a space in which her true being (outside the Matrix) as

non-

> dual pure Love could be experienced.

>

> " There is no world! This is the central thought the Course

attempts to

> teach. " W-pI.132.6:2-3

ACIM never makes me laugh, neither does your post. Please only

respond to my posts with responses that will make me laugh.

Thank you,

[Guest guest]

hi mary..

grateful for lieing and stealing.

that bothers me.. doesnt seem right but then i guess im stuck in

duality.. on that one..

i think it would cause some sort of karma and come back.. some how..

i guess thats a story..

in a book i read the 13 commandments..by e Fox.

his take on thou shalt not

steal is different.. he says difficulties arise from a belief

in personal possession. --that it all belongs to God.

..page 88 He says-- " the great secret is that we cannot have anything

that we do not give. "

as we give from this inner kingdom, we find that all the outer needs

and problems seem to be solved.. WE find great good coming into our

life from every direction. " ....you realize that the kindgdom of

God within you is yours, not to hoard but to distribute, to give

freely to your world. "

basically he goes on and reminds me of St francis..

and if thats the definition i must steal.. becuase i dont share

much.. at all..

oh well its sort of a different take on the commandments..

and as alexander will say so what?

That author of The Road was on oprah today says he never wanted

lots of money.. once he had no money to buy toothpaste and he

got a sample toothpaste in the mail.. ONce he was kicked

out of a hotel that costs 40 a month.. he didnt even have that

much moeny.. but he says he has never worried about it and

has always made it some how..

HIs book won a publitzer prize hes 73.. so its taken awhile

HE refused to work.. at a regular job.. he has just always

tried to live on his writing..

forgot his name mccarthy or something like that..

havent read the book..

wish you could get a writing job..

love,roslyn

-- In Loving-what-is , " lovetheworkofbk "

wrote:

>

>

> >

> > I used to believe lying and stealing were wrong/bad.

> >

> > Lots of people lie and steal where I live.

> >

> > So been doing the work on it. And so what, so what if they lie and

> > steal. So what.

> >

> > If I think they shouldn't, I suffer.

> > If I'm grateful that they do, I experience joy.

> >

> > If all is God, it's just God lying and stealing from God anyway.

> >

> > It gets kinda funny after awhile.

> >

>

> In an effort to make this dream of separation/guilt real we try to drag

> God into it, which makes him as confused as we are. How can God be in

> something that literally does not exist? Just like you (physically) are

> not in your dreams when you sleep, Gods Son is not in his dreams when

> he sleeps. This of cousre is an analogy for something quite beyond our

> comprehension in the dream, but I hope you see what it is pointing to.

>

> The world is a Matrix created by the ego thought system to preserve its

> individuality and specialness. The Matrix is not real, which is why

> scientists can not explain gravity, or magnetism or find sub-atomic

> particles. It could be helpful to think of it as nothing more than

> streaming lines of computer code as shown in the Matrix movies. As we

> the dreamers withdraw our investment in the Matrix we begin to awaken

> to who we really are i.e. a non-dual state of pure Love and holiness.

> This explains what happened to when she was lying on the floor in

> the boarding house, because she felt too unworthy to sleep in the bed.

> After years of depression and wishing she was dead, had

> dramatically withdrawn her investment in the ego Matrix (world), which

> created a space in which her true being (outside the Matrix) as non-

> dual pure Love could be experienced.

>

> " There is no world! This is the central thought the Course attempts to

> teach. " W-pI.132.6:2-3.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> " which makes him as confused as we are "

>

> Now your expertise extends to knowing how God feels! Unbelievable.

How egotistical and ridiculous is that.

>

> Vivian

Vivi,

Your post made me laugh. A lot. My belly is still shaking, and I

have a huge grin on my face.

God confused hahahahahahahahahaha

God can't be confused. Is that true? hmmmmmmm

I don't care either way. I'm happy. Thanks fer a great post.

[Guest guest]

" which makes him as confused as we are "

Now your expertise extends to knowing how God feels! Unbelievable. How

egotistical and ridiculous is that.

Vivian

Re: God shouldn't lie and steal. Is that true?

> In an effort to make this dream of separation/guilt real we try to

drag

> God into it, which makes him as confused as we are. How can God be

in

> something that literally does not exist? Just like you

(physically) are

> not in your dreams when you sleep, Gods Son is not in his dreams

when

> he sleeps. This of cousre is an analogy for something quite beyond

our

> comprehension in the dream, but I hope you see what it is pointing

to.

>

> The world is a Matrix created by the ego thought system to

preserve its

> individuality and specialness. The Matrix is not real, which is

why

> scientists can not explain gravity, or magnetism or find sub-

atomic

> particles. It could be helpful to think of it as nothing more than

> streaming lines of computer code as shown in the Matrix movies. As

we

> the dreamers withdraw our investment in the Matrix we begin to

awaken

> to who we really are i.e. a non-dual state of pure Love and

holiness.

> This explains what happened to when she was lying on the

floor in

> the boarding house, because she felt too unworthy to sleep in the

bed.

> After years of depression and wishing she was dead, had

> dramatically withdrawn her investment in the ego Matrix (world),

which

> created a space in which her true being (outside the Matrix) as

non-

> dual pure Love could be experienced.

>

> " There is no world! This is the central thought the Course

attempts to

> teach. " W-pI.132.6:2-3

ACIM never makes me laugh, neither does your post. Please only

respond to my posts with responses that will make me laugh.

Thank you,

[Guest guest]

My pleasure .

Where are you these days? Weren't you concerned that if you left your job you'd

lose computer access? If so, chalk it up as another untrue story. Glad you are

able to participate.

Vivian

Re: God shouldn't lie and steal. Is that true?

>

> " which makes him as confused as we are "

>

> Now your expertise extends to knowing how God feels! Unbelievable.

How egotistical and ridiculous is that.

>

> Vivian

Vivi,

Your post made me laugh. A lot. My belly is still shaking, and I

have a huge grin on my face.

God confused hahahahahahahahahaha

God can't be confused. Is that true? hmmmmmmm

I don't care either way. I'm happy. Thanks fer a great post.

[Guest guest]

>

> " which makes him as confused as we are "

>

> Now your expertise extends to knowing how God feels! Unbelievable.

> How egotistical and ridiculous is that.

>

> Vivian

Vivian just for the record I did not claim to know how God feels.

Here is what I said:

" In an effort to make this dream of separation/guilt real we try to

drag God into it, which makes him as confused as we are. "

I'm talking about the egos version of God (which we see a lot of here

on this list) not the real God who exists outside the dream in

perfect non-dual oneness.

And yes, how egotistical and ridiculous it is to believe that the

separation from God could ever occur. Yet the fact that we are still

in the dream shows that we value the egotistical and ridiculous lies

of our ego much more than the non-special non-dual holiness of God.

" No one can escape from illusions unless he looks at them, for not

looking is the way they are protected....We are ready to look more

closely at the ego's thought system because together we have the lamp

that will dispel it, and since you realize you do not want it, you

must be ready....The " dynamics " of the ego will be our lesson for a

while, for we must look first at this to see beyond it, since you

have made it real. We will undo this error quietly together, and then

look beyond it to truth.

What is healing but the removal of all that stands in the way of

knowledge? And how else can one dispel illusions except by looking at

them directly, without protecting them? " (T-11.V.1:1,3,5-2:2)

[Guest guest]

Hang on a second, when you write that ³scientists can not explain gravity,

or magnetism or find sub-atomic particles², what exactly do you mean?

There are some very clear explanations of how gravity functions, and

magnetism, and as to sub-atomic particles, well there¹s a whole branch of

physics ­ Particle Physics ­ researching this area widely. Are you saying

that you don¹t accept the research thus far? Or are you saying that

scientists can¹t explain the reason why they exist? Puzzled.

Peacefully

> The world is a Matrix created by the ego thought system to preserve its

> individuality and specialness. The Matrix is not real, which is why

> scientists can not explain gravity, or magnetism or find sub-atomic

particles.

[Guest guest]

> hi mary..

> grateful for lieing and stealing.

>

> that bothers me.. doesnt seem right but then i guess im stuck in

> duality.. on that one..

>

> i think it would cause some sort of karma and come back.. some

how..

> i guess thats a story..

> in a book i read the 13 commandments..by e Fox.

> his take on thou shalt not

> steal is different.. he says difficulties arise from a belief

> in personal possession. --that it all belongs to God.

Hi folks,

Just want to share an example of learning to become grateful for

stealing! Last week we returned from a nice Memorial Day to find our

house robbed, windows smashed, everything thrown around, the cats

freaked out and one with a cut from the glass...etc. The robbers

took 3 (!) laptops, two which I had brought home from work to do a

demo with. The place looked and felt like a war zone at first....the

stories started to spiral.

Then, my neighbor told me the police caught three of the five robbers

that same afternoon, and all my property was sitting down at the

police station as we spoke. !! I went down to get it, everything in

working order. The thieves took nothing else, all the things I

consider at times to be most valuable--my instruments, jewelry, not

even the brand new computer with flat panel screen.

Hmmmm. The stories started to retract. The truth is, I wanted to

clean out my drawers and shelves, and someone had just helped me get

started by throwing everything out on the floor! I had the

overwhelming feeling that the universe was giving me yet another

lesson on the theme I spend so much time learning about:

" The universe is friendly. Do you get it now? "

It brought all my stuff back. It helped me clean up my house. It

didn't even take anything I felt attached to, really. We were given

an opportunity to clean everything and because I'd been traveling so

much, I got the message to sit around my home and inhabit it with

love again. Hmmmm.

People say in sympathy, " That's so awful you got robbed! " and I say,

not really, I think I learned some good lessons. We are even trying

to do a restorative justice process with these kids so they can see

the real people attached to their actions, put a face on the world

they want to destroy, it appears.

Loving the posts lately, taking me to that place...thanks all.

Cori

[Guest guest]

Cori,

loved this story,

thanks for sharing,

Eva

>

> Hi folks,

>

> Just want to share an example of learning to become grateful for

> stealing! Last week we returned from a nice Memorial Day to find our

> house robbed, windows smashed, everything thrown around, the cats

> freaked out and one with a cut from the glass...etc. The robbers

> took 3 (!) laptops, two which I had brought home from work to do a

> demo with. The place looked and felt like a war zone at first....the

> stories started to spiral.

>

> Then, my neighbor told me the police caught three of the five robbers

> that same afternoon, and all my property was sitting down at the

> police station as we spoke. !! I went down to get it, everything in

> working order. The thieves took nothing else, all the things I

> consider at times to be most valuable--my instruments, jewelry, not

> even the brand new computer with flat panel screen.

>

> Hmmmm. The stories started to retract. The truth is, I wanted to

> clean out my drawers and shelves, and someone had just helped me get

> started by throwing everything out on the floor! I had the

> overwhelming feeling that the universe was giving me yet another

> lesson on the theme I spend so much time learning about:

>

> " The universe is friendly. Do you get it now? "

>

> It brought all my stuff back. It helped me clean up my house. It

> didn't even take anything I felt attached to, really. We were given

> an opportunity to clean everything and because I'd been traveling so

> much, I got the message to sit around my home and inhabit it with

> love again. Hmmmm.

>

> People say in sympathy, " That's so awful you got robbed! " and I say,

> not really, I think I learned some good lessons. We are even trying

> to do a restorative justice process with these kids so they can see

> the real people attached to their actions, put a face on the world

> they want to destroy, it appears.

>

> Loving the posts lately, taking me to that place...thanks all.

>

> Cori

>

[Guest guest]

> People say in sympathy, " That's so awful you got robbed! " and I say,

> not really, I think I learned some good lessons. We are even trying

> to do a restorative justice process with these kids so they can see

> the real people attached to their actions, put a face on the world

> they want to destroy, it appears.

>

> Loving the posts lately, taking me to that place...thanks all.

>

> Cori

Cori,

Beautiful story, way to be open to the truth.

Not sure I agree the kids want to destroy the world. And if they do

want to destroy it, well, that'd be reality. It's all God as I

understand it, and God can destroy and recreate (re-create/rec-reate)

over and over and over ...

emerge-ncies are always about new life emerging.

You're destroying and rebuilding your life as you get rid of some

stuff and make room for more. Have fun with that.

[Guest guest]

Cori,

What a great perspective. Thanks for sharing it with us.

Vivian

Re: God shouldn't lie and steal. Is that true?

> hi mary..

> grateful for lieing and stealing.

>

> that bothers me.. doesnt seem right but then i guess im stuck in

> duality.. on that one..

>

> i think it would cause some sort of karma and come back.. some

how..

> i guess thats a story..

> in a book i read the 13 commandments..by e Fox.

> his take on thou shalt not

> steal is different.. he says difficulties arise from a belief

> in personal possession. --that it all belongs to God.

Hi folks,

Just want to share an example of learning to become grateful for

stealing! Last week we returned from a nice Memorial Day to find our

house robbed, windows smashed, everything thrown around, the cats

freaked out and one with a cut from the glass...etc. The robbers

took 3 (!) laptops, two which I had brought home from work to do a

demo with. The place looked and felt like a war zone at first....the

stories started to spiral.

Then, my neighbor told me the police caught three of the five robbers

that same afternoon, and all my property was sitting down at the

police station as we spoke. !! I went down to get it, everything in

working order. The thieves took nothing else, all the things I

consider at times to be most valuable--my instruments, jewelry, not

even the brand new computer with flat panel screen.

Hmmmm. The stories started to retract. The truth is, I wanted to

clean out my drawers and shelves, and someone had just helped me get

started by throwing everything out on the floor! I had the

overwhelming feeling that the universe was giving me yet another

lesson on the theme I spend so much time learning about:

" The universe is friendly. Do you get it now? "

It brought all my stuff back. It helped me clean up my house. It

didn't even take anything I felt attached to, really. We were given

an opportunity to clean everything and because I'd been traveling so

much, I got the message to sit around my home and inhabit it with

love again. Hmmmm.

People say in sympathy, " That's so awful you got robbed! " and I say,

not really, I think I learned some good lessons. We are even trying

to do a restorative justice process with these kids so they can see

the real people attached to their actions, put a face on the world

they want to destroy, it appears.

Loving the posts lately, taking me to that place...thanks all.

Cori

[Guest guest]

Right. It moves... therefore surrender is the only sane option.

Struggle leads to sufferring. Surrender leads to peace. This is

blasphemy to the ego though isn't it? It occurs to me that the

anthem for the identity would be My Way. -frank

> On Thu Jun 07 06:16:32 PDT 2007, Andy

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> > we all are indeed one...I'm not quite there yet, but I am working

> > on it " we all are one " ... indeed.

> >

> >

> > Then is it not valid to note that there is no individual you

> > " working

> > on it. "

> >

> > Would it not be more accurate to say that .... It (or God, or

> > Consciousness or Source) is, ultimately, THAT which is doing the

> > " working on " ?

> >

> > And is it not this same....Source....which generates the illusory

> > sense of separation, anxiety, dualisitic thoughts of

> > life-and-death,

> > the entire dance of apparent reality?

> >

> > If so, then the Seeing through or the evaporating of the veil of

> > illusion is not up to " us " (the identified egomind). It will

> > happen

> > when and if It wills it. We are thus vehicles, instruments,

> > through

> > which It arises in this apparent world.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > >

> > > we all are indeed one...I'm not quite there yet, but I am working

> > > on it " we all are one " ... indeed.

> > >

> > >

> > > Then is it not valid to note that there is no individual you

> > > " working

> > > on it. "

> > >

> > > Would it not be more accurate to say that .... It (or God, or

> > > Consciousness or Source) is, ultimately, THAT which is doing the

> > > " working on " ?

> > >

> > > And is it not this same....Source....which generates the illusory

> > > sense of separation, anxiety, dualisitic thoughts of

> > > life-and-death,

> > > the entire dance of apparent reality?

> > >

> > > If so, then the Seeing through or the evaporating of the veil of

> > > illusion is not up to " us " (the identified egomind). It will

> > > happen

> > > when and if It wills it. We are thus vehicles, instruments,

> > > through

> > > which It arises in this apparent world.

> > >

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

> Hypegia how could anyone give up the ego dreams of specialness until

> they saw how much it was costing them. From there the journey becomes

> truly bright and beautiful

lovethework, how could I know about anyones dreams, other than mine?

And how could I know what anyone can give up?

And why would I bother? If I can't give up any of it, why would I

expect anyone else to be able to do it? And if I can give up MY

dreams... There would be nothing left to be done. So no one else had to.

I leave out the world of my business. And I take care of my business.

Sometimes.

;-)

Love,

[Guest guest]

Clear.

In my experience there are times when I can remember that I don't prefer war

and surrender; there are times when that doesn't appear to be on the menu.

My comment reflects my willingness to surrender when I have the sense to do

so.

_____

From: Loving-what-is [mailto:Loving-what-is ]

On Behalf Of Andy

Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 3:10 PM

To: Loving-what-is

Subject: FW: Re: God shouldn't lie and steal. Is that true?

> > >

> > >

> > > we all are indeed one...I'm not quite there yet, but I am working

> > > on it " we all are one " ... indeed.

> > >

> > >

> > > Then is it not valid to note that there is no individual you

> > > " working

> > > on it. "

> > >

> > > Would it not be more accurate to say that .... It (or God, or

> > > Consciousness or Source) is, ultimately, THAT which is doing the

> > > " working on " ?

> > >

> > > And is it not this same....Source....which generates the illusory

> > > sense of separation, anxiety, dualisitic thoughts of

> > > life-and-death,

> > > the entire dance of apparent reality?

> > >

> > > If so, then the Seeing through or the evaporating of the veil of

> > > illusion is not up to " us " (the identified egomind). It will

> > > happen

> > > when and if It wills it. We are thus vehicles, instruments,

> > > through

> > > which It arises in this apparent world.

> > >

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

Cori, this is a discussion group, so that's what people do here.

Having a different perception of what is happening is not an attack

on you, although it can be perceived that way. Ego always wants to

reinforce separation, but the Voice for Love will always show you

joining. So let us now continue our discussion peacefully, knowing

that the only truth is that we are all one.

>

> I couldn't agree more. Somehow,I expected this doomsday response to

> my post even before I posted it, and it gave me pause, which is

> part of why I am repelled by many of the ACIM posts by certain

> individuals.

The voice of the ego would have us reinforce separation. Perhaps you

are repelled by ACIM posts because they threaten the specialness of

the ego. You focus on the form and miss the content which is pure

Love.

> Half the time I don't even read these ACIM posts, so

> often they feel just like " GOTCHA's " -- someone shares a

> realization they've gotten to through the work, and then the

> ACIM " representative " says just the opposite with the authority of

> (gasp) God.

Everyone identified with their specialness in the dream wants to be

right and have confirmation that the separation is real. ACIM simply

reminds us that we are mistaken, which is very good news because the

dream is a poor substitute for our reality as Love.

> Come on, who's living in the frightening dream here,

> folks, and how much can you be enjoying it? Sounds more like

> paranoia than lightening up. I prefer to correspond with people

> doing the work, but I know you're all going to keep doing what you

> do, too, and give me more to work on. Thanks.

>

Saying that this is a dream of separation, suffering, sickness and

death is not frightening to someone listening to the Voice for Love,

because that is simply the truth. The voice of the ego on the other

hand absolutely hates to hear that because you are tearing apart its

dream of specialness. Who would choose the world of separation if

they clearly saw the terrible price they had to pay?

There is no real enjoyment in the world (dream of separation, guilt

and fear). Joy is found when the thin veils of separation, guilt and

fear are seen through and our true reality is glimpsed.

One last thought the Work was not designed to reinforce the ego dream

of separation and make this world real. The ego thought system can

and does use it that way, however at its best the Work allows us to

undo the blocks to the awareness of Loves' presence returning us to

our true home in God.

" You are at home in God, dreaming of exile but perfectly capable of

awakening to reality " (T.10.I.2:1)

[Guest guest]

>

> I just read this last night in ATNFJ, page 139:

>

> " All I know is that God is everything and God is good. That's my

> story,, and I'm sticking to it. "

>

Thank you, Heidi. This is the theme this one has been working on since

visiting the school. This one's dream has brought this as the

counterbalance to the previous nightmare of what appeared to be her

life, and when she realizes it in the world, peace and presence appear

to come. And I'm sticking to it, for now, until it doesn't stick no

more. : ]

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks for the honest report Cori. I certainly don't mean to be

offering " gotcha's. " Please let me know if one of my posts should

occur that way, okay? -frank>

You're welcome, . And I didn't mean to be so black and white,

but felt I needed to voice these impressions to work with them, and

get worked on. I take in and learn from much of the ACIM posts and do

resonate with many of the understandings of ACIM. Personally, some of

it just appears too complex for my work at this time, being a

recovering intellectual junky and big-time thought spinner.

This might become my motto: That's my story, and I'm stickin' to

it. : ]

[Guest guest]

-

Cori.. I love that story and i hope you can influence those

kids.. guess tahts my story.. in their business..

I read in a book a buddhist monk in NEW york was pick pocketed and

lost all his money and his ticket home..

he dedicated it to god and someone donated some money

to help him out..

he remained calm.. becasue he says he dedicated it to god..

i dont want to dedicate anything to god at this time..

fearful sometimes, roslyn

-- In Loving-what-is , " imagination.1111 "

wrote:

>

> > hi mary..

> > grateful for lieing and stealing.

> >

> > that bothers me.. doesnt seem right but then i guess im stuck in

> > duality.. on that one..

> >

> > i think it would cause some sort of karma and come back.. some

> how..

> > i guess thats a story..

> > in a book i read the 13 commandments..by e Fox.

> > his take on thou shalt not

> > steal is different.. he says difficulties arise from a belief

> > in personal possession. --that it all belongs to God.

>

> Hi folks,

>

> Just want to share an example of learning to become grateful for

> stealing! Last week we returned from a nice Memorial Day to find our

> house robbed, windows smashed, everything thrown around, the cats

> freaked out and one with a cut from the glass...etc. The robbers

> took 3 (!) laptops, two which I had brought home from work to do a

> demo with. The place looked and felt like a war zone at first....the

> stories started to spiral.

>

> Then, my neighbor told me the police caught three of the five robbers

> that same afternoon, and all my property was sitting down at the

> police station as we spoke. !! I went down to get it, everything in

> working order. The thieves took nothing else, all the things I

> consider at times to be most valuable--my instruments, jewelry, not

> even the brand new computer with flat panel screen.

>

> Hmmmm. The stories started to retract. The truth is, I wanted to

> clean out my drawers and shelves, and someone had just helped me get

> started by throwing everything out on the floor! I had the

> overwhelming feeling that the universe was giving me yet another

> lesson on the theme I spend so much time learning about:

>

> " The universe is friendly. Do you get it now? "

>

> It brought all my stuff back. It helped me clean up my house. It

> didn't even take anything I felt attached to, really. We were given

> an opportunity to clean everything and because I'd been traveling so

> much, I got the message to sit around my home and inhabit it with

> love again. Hmmmm.

>

> People say in sympathy, " That's so awful you got robbed! " and I say,

> not really, I think I learned some good lessons. We are even trying

> to do a restorative justice process with these kids so they can see

> the real people attached to their actions, put a face on the world

> they want to destroy, it appears.

>

> Loving the posts lately, taking me to that place...thanks all.

>

> Cori

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Rose,

Am 06.06.2007 um 03:39 schrieb mrcitrus6:

> hi mary..

> grateful for lieing and stealing.

>

> that bothers me.. doesnt seem right but then i guess im stuck in

> duality.. on that one..

Well, I hear that when you lie and steal you leave your integrity.

So if you think you did, you'll hide it. And let no one know.

Or if you think someone else believes you did, you separate from him,

and try all you can to set things right.

> i think it would cause some sort of karma and come back.. some how..

> i guess thats a story..

No, you *know* it's a story.

That Karma you are talking about exists right NOW. It's not something

that will happen in the future. What happened, happened. It is not

connected to the future.

> in a book i read the 13 commandments..by e Fox.

> his take on thou shalt not

> steal is different.. he says difficulties arise from a belief

> in personal possession. --that it all belongs to God.

Well, it does, in a way.

But God is not a person.

It's not a being that can posess something.

" it belongs to God " is different from " it belongs to me " .

> .page 88 He says-- " the great secret is that we cannot have anything

> that we do not give. "

That's true. In giving without pretense, you earn it.

> as we give from this inner kingdom, we find that all the outer needs

> and problems seem to be solved.. WE find great good coming into our

> life from every direction. " ....you realize that the kindgdom of

> God within you is yours, not to hoard but to distribute, to give

> freely to your world. "

>

> basically he goes on and reminds me of St francis..

>

> and if thats the definition i must steal.. becuase i dont share

> much.. at all..

>

> oh well its sort of a different take on the commandments..

>

> and as alexander will say so what?

That does sound like something I could say...

You cite. That's what you do. And sometimes I hear you want to know

the truth. Don't take anything anyone says for real. Ask yourself.

Examine " stealing " . What's the story? What's the plot and who is

involved? And what?

What do you create when you say " He should not have stolen. " ? That's

usually the thought, isn't it?

> That author of The Road was on oprah today says he never wanted

> lots of money.. once he had no money to buy toothpaste and he

> got a sample toothpaste in the mail.. ONce he was kicked

> out of a hotel that costs 40 a month.. he didnt even have that

> much moeny.. but he says he has never worried about it and

> has always made it some how..

> HIs book won a publitzer prize hes 73.. so its taken awhile

It would have taken a while, if he had planned to win a pulitzer when

he didn't have money to buy toothpaste.

What I hear is that he has a clear mind, and knows that there's

nothing to worry.

> HE refused to work.. at a regular job.. he has just always

> tried to live on his writing..

Well, he has always lived.

He wrote.

Examine " work " .

> forgot his name mccarthy or something like that..

>

> havent read the book..

> wish you could get a writing job..

What for?

Where does that leave you?

> love,roslyn

Love,

[Guest guest]

alexander.. why do i want mary to have a writing job..

because shes good at it.. and becuase then she could

have a job she enjoyed..

and could make money also..

what would i have ? satisfaction of knowing i thought of it..

or suggested it.. I guess.. . -although she has thought of it too

What do i get for mary manin morrissey should not of stolen..

well she just invested and used money personally.

what do i get? I get to feel superior.. and better and separate..

... i get to be critical

self righteous.. im somewhat annoyed and if it were my moeny i would

of been angry..

but i can look at it differently..

maybe she is being like st francis who told people to give

away all their material possessions....

MARy .. I checked out the DVD.. Brother Sun Sister Moon at the

library.. powerful movie.. i loved it.. dont think i could

do that very easily.. give all i had away..

MAry Manin morrissey took money away from people..

and francis told people to give it away.. so i suppose

one could say they were doing a service..

EVerything happens for us not to us..

feels better.. love, roslyn --

In Loving-what-is , wrote:

>

> Dear Rose,

>

>

> Am 06.06.2007 um 03:39 schrieb mrcitrus6:

>

> > hi mary..

> > grateful for lieing and stealing.

> >

> > that bothers me.. doesnt seem right but then i guess im stuck in

> > duality.. on that one..

> Well, I hear that when you lie and steal you leave your integrity.

>

> So if you think you did, you'll hide it. And let no one know.

> Or if you think someone else believes you did, you separate from him,

> and try all you can to set things right.

>

>

> > i think it would cause some sort of karma and come back.. some how..

> > i guess thats a story..

> No, you *know* it's a story.

>

> That Karma you are talking about exists right NOW. It's not something

> that will happen in the future. What happened, happened. It is not

> connected to the future.

>

> > in a book i read the 13 commandments..by e Fox.

> > his take on thou shalt not

> > steal is different.. he says difficulties arise from a belief

> > in personal possession. --that it all belongs to God.

> Well, it does, in a way.

>

> But God is not a person.

>

> It's not a being that can posess something.

>

> " it belongs to God " is different from " it belongs to me " .

>

> > .page 88 He says-- " the great secret is that we cannot have anything

> > that we do not give. "

> That's true. In giving without pretense, you earn it.

>

> > as we give from this inner kingdom, we find that all the outer needs

> > and problems seem to be solved.. WE find great good coming into our

> > life from every direction. " ....you realize that the kindgdom of

> > God within you is yours, not to hoard but to distribute, to give

> > freely to your world. "

> >

> > basically he goes on and reminds me of St francis..

> >

> > and if thats the definition i must steal.. becuase i dont share

> > much.. at all..

> >

> > oh well its sort of a different take on the commandments..

> >

> > and as alexander will say so what?

> That does sound like something I could say...

> You cite. That's what you do. And sometimes I hear you want to know

> the truth. Don't take anything anyone says for real. Ask yourself.

>

> Examine " stealing " . What's the story? What's the plot and who is

> involved? And what?

> What do you create when you say " He should not have stolen. " ? That's

> usually the thought, isn't it?

>

> > That author of The Road was on oprah today says he never wanted

> > lots of money.. once he had no money to buy toothpaste and he

> > got a sample toothpaste in the mail.. ONce he was kicked

> > out of a hotel that costs 40 a month.. he didnt even have that

> > much moeny.. but he says he has never worried about it and

> > has always made it some how..

> > HIs book won a publitzer prize hes 73.. so its taken awhile

> It would have taken a while, if he had planned to win a pulitzer when

> he didn't have money to buy toothpaste.

>

> What I hear is that he has a clear mind, and knows that there's

> nothing to worry.

>

> > HE refused to work.. at a regular job.. he has just always

> > tried to live on his writing..

> Well, he has always lived.

>

> He wrote.

>

> Examine " work " .

>

> > forgot his name mccarthy or something like that..

> >

> > havent read the book..

> > wish you could get a writing job..

> What for?

>

> Where does that leave you?

>

> > love,roslyn

> Love,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Roslyn,

> alexander.. why do i want mary to have a writing job..

> because shes good at it.. and becuase then she could

> have a job she enjoyed..

> and could make money also..

>

> what would i have ? satisfaction of knowing i thought of it..

> or suggested it.. I guess.. . -although she has thought of it too

Well, that's it: " satisfaction of knowing I thought of it " . Your answer.

And instead of using her to satisfy you...

You can get that without needing her!

Feel that satisfaction you are looking for (that you get through her,

if you want. If it works). Find how you would live your life, how

you'd treat others if you had it. Find what kind of person you'd be

if you had that.

And if you want to leave out of the equation, do the work.

> What do i get for mary manin morrissey should not of stolen..

> well she just invested and used money personally.

That's not the answer.

> what do i get? I get to feel superior.. and better and separate..

> .. i get to be critical

> self righteous.. im somewhat annoyed and if it were my moeny i would

> of been angry..

It wasn't.

So I hear " superior " , " better " , " critical " , " self righteous " , " annoyed " .

It's not good or bad, it's simply what you get for believing this

thought.

If that's what you reach out for, go with it. If you want to see what

else is possible: Who would you be, thinking of manin morrisey

stealing, if the thought " she should not have stolen " never even

occured to you? How would you live your everyday life if the thought

that ANYONE should not steal didn't exist?

And who would you be, if you could not believe that ANYONE is

capcable of doing something he is not supposed to do?

> but i can look at it differently..

> maybe she is being like st francis who told people to give

> away all their material possessions....

Yes, and does it work? Does it make anything better? And then you

find out how she used that money all for herself and bought herself

everything she desires. You think about all the things you could buy

for yourself and resent her for that, don't you?

> MAry Manin morrissey took money away from people..

> and francis told people to give it away.. so i suppose

> one could say they were doing a service..

> EVerything happens for us not to us..

>

> feels better.. love, roslyn --

Yes.

for how long?

Love,

[Guest guest]

alexander you wrote..

And who would you be, if you could not believe that ANYONE is

> capcable of doing something he is not supposed to do?--

That would feel so free..

i would trust the universe and god.. and be fearless..

But im usually not there..

I can see how spending the money even on oneself could help

the economy..

better than saving it and not spending it according to

walsch.. ok what do i think..

Im not god..

love, roslyn

- In Loving-what-is , wrote:

>

> Dear Roslyn,

> > alexander.. why do i want mary to have a writing job..

> > because shes good at it.. and becuase then she could

> > have a job she enjoyed..

> > and could make money also..

> >

> > what would i have ? satisfaction of knowing i thought of it..

> > or suggested it.. I guess.. . -although she has thought of it too

> Well, that's it: " satisfaction of knowing I thought of it " . Your answer.

>

> And instead of using her to satisfy you...

>

> You can get that without needing her!

>

> Feel that satisfaction you are looking for (that you get through her,

> if you want. If it works). Find how you would live your life, how

> you'd treat others if you had it. Find what kind of person you'd be

> if you had that.

>

> And if you want to leave out of the equation, do the work.

>

>

> > What do i get for mary manin morrissey should not of stolen..

> > well she just invested and used money personally.

> That's not the answer.

>

> > what do i get? I get to feel superior.. and better and separate..

> > .. i get to be critical

> > self righteous.. im somewhat annoyed and if it were my moeny i would

> > of been angry..

> It wasn't.

>

> So I hear " superior " , " better " , " critical " , " self righteous " , " annoyed " .

>

> It's not good or bad, it's simply what you get for believing this

> thought.

>

> If that's what you reach out for, go with it. If you want to see what

> else is possible: Who would you be, thinking of manin morrisey

> stealing, if the thought " she should not have stolen " never even

> occured to you? How would you live your everyday life if the thought

> that ANYONE should not steal didn't exist?

>

> And who would you be, if you could not believe that ANYONE is

> capcable of doing something he is not supposed to do?

>

> > but i can look at it differently..

> > maybe she is being like st francis who told people to give

> > away all their material possessions....

> Yes, and does it work? Does it make anything better? And then you

> find out how she used that money all for herself and bought herself

> everything she desires. You think about all the things you could buy

> for yourself and resent her for that, don't you?

>

>

> > MAry Manin morrissey took money away from people..

> > and francis told people to give it away.. so i suppose

> > one could say they were doing a service..

> > EVerything happens for us not to us..

> >

> > feels better.. love, roslyn --

> Yes.

> for how long?

>

> Love,

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> [FCB] Roslyn said: Im not god...

> [FCB] : Is that true? What's your proof?

>

> [FCB] Hahaha. good one.

>

>

Roslyn you are right you are not God. The dreamers are all fragments

of the Son of God. The Son is an extension of the father (God). The

Son wanted to be God, but that was impossible so he created a dream

where the impossible became possible. This understanding is drawn

from the metaphysics of ACIM, which is satisfactory proof for me. I

don't know about and .

It is difficult to discuss such things, because our ego's have a deep

investment in believing they are God rather than just figures in a

dream.

" The body is the symbol of what you think you are. It is clearly a

separation device, and therefore does not exist. " (T.6.V.A.2:2,3)