Re: What?

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yes,

It happens to me all the time. My HB1ac is alway in the normal range (5.8)

but my fasting blood is always high. (last reading 145). And I sometimes

peak to over 200 when I eat a lot of carbohydrates. My lowest readings are

not my fasting readings but the ones I have either before dinner or when I

go to bed (sometimes 100 or less). It is a puzzle.

Illinois Guy wrote:

> From: areacode618MSW@... (Illinois Guy)

>

> Okay gang... Explain this.

>

> I just got a call from the docs office. They received the results of my

> AD1 (I think) test. This shows how my blood sugar levels have been over

> the past 3 months. The results were 6.3, whatever that means. The

> doc's assistant that called said the doc said that was a very good

> result, meaning my BG levels are in the normal range.

>

> Now, when I had my bloodwork done at our annual health fair last month

> after fasting for 12 hours, the resulting BG was 159. When I had it

> retaken again two weeks later after again fasting for 12 hours, it was

> 137. Both of these BG's are high.

>

> So now I'm told that when I eat, my BG's are normal but when I fast,

> they are high. I'm no doctor, but doesn't it sound like my solution is

> to NOT fast?

>

> Have you all heard of this kind of thing before?

>

> Bil

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<< I saw the lab reports myself. I just question what can really be

concluded from normal BG over a three month period and high BG twice after 12

hours of fasting.

I know, I know. Get a monitor and go to it myself. I will, after my next

bloodwork. Right now I'm going to get my diet nutritionally under control.

If that alone doesn't solve the problem, I'll tackle the diabetic angle of

it. >>

Ok, I'm going to attempt an answer here - someone correct me if I'm wrong -

but I think what Bil's 3-month report is reporting is an average over the

last 3 months. I know from my own experience that my average over the past 3

months is generally HIGHER than those levels I take at home, which is just as

frustrating.

I would think that the next time you go, Bil, you may get a higher 3-month

reading as you BGs may have just started to rise and therefore the previous

3-month reading was not as high -

Personally, although the 3-month level is a good blanket indicator the

doctor, I think that on an everyday basis, you need to be taking your own

levels at home - not only will this give you an up-to-date level, but will

also help you determine what and how foods, medications, stress, and exercise

affect you.

I take my levels before and after meals, upon awakening, at bedtime, before

and after excercise - and before and after chemo.

in Port Orange, FL

[Guest guest]

Meenie (blue?),

>>>Why were you fasting for so long? Normally fasting for blood work is

after midnight. How did you feel after fasting for so long? I would have

felt terrible.<<<

12 hours is what they told us to fast. They did complete bloodwork as

opposed to just BG level so that may have had something to do with it.

I didn't feel anything different... just hungry.

>>>They told you that? or are you assuming that 6.3 on your HbA1c is

" normal " ?<<<

The doc's asst. said, " Your AbA1c is 6.3. "

ME: " And what does that mean? "

HER: " The doctor said that is a very good reading over a three month

period and within the normal range. " ME: " So now I'm confused. Does

that mean I'm not diabetic? "

HER: " No, you are diabetic, but the doctor only wants you retested

every two months instead of each month. " ME: " So why did my bloodwork

have my glucose high? "

HER: " That was your blood sugar level after fasting and the AbA1c is

your level over time when you have eaten. " ME: " Do I still need to

follow the diet the doctor gave me? "

HER: " Yes. Just follow your diet and then we'll retest you at the end

of the month and then take it from there. "

That's what I got this morning. I'm a diabetic with normal readings

when I eat and high readings when I fast. ? Does that really make any

sense? My solution... I won't fast. Pretty simple really. Probably

over-simple, isn't it.

I'm starting to smell a rat. I'm feeling like this is the docs way of

getting me to go on a diet. I'm not complaining. I KNOW I need to eat

better foods and in smaller quantities and I'm doing that whether I'm

diabetic or not. I guess I'm a bit frustrated because the answers to my

questions just aren't coinciding with each other.

This is a VERY confusing disease.

Bil

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[Guest guest]

Bil - When I was first diagnosed my (non-fasting) BG was pushing 300 but my

HbA1c was 5.8 so he said that that meant I had probably not had the diabetes

very long and was just in the beginning stages. My HbA1c was 3.8 at last

count - that was after my first three months of eating a new healthier way -

so it is possible to lower even a seemingly " good " Hb test - the doc was glad

I had done that, just proving to him that I was eating better. I am not on

any meds for diabetes but according to " Dr. Chuck's " control guideline I am

in pretty good control - the next Hb test is due next month so I kinda look

to those as the big telling point. I too would be curious to know what a

non-diabetic person's Hba1c is - anyone know? Rebekah

[Guest guest]

Meenie (blue?),

Huh? What does blue? mean ? LOL

That's what I got this morning. I'm a diabetic with normal readings

when I eat and high readings when I fast. ? Does that really make any

sense? My solution... I won't fast. Pretty simple really. Probably

over-simple, isn't it.

I think the only solution is for you to test yourself. Then you will know

how your bg's are running on a day to day basis both before you eat and

after.

I'm starting to smell a rat. I'm feeling like this is the docs way of

getting me to go on a diet.

If the doctor were to lie to you and say you were diabetic knowing that you

aren't he would lose his license. I doubt that his urgency for you to diet

is that strong, Bil

I'm not complaining. I KNOW I need to eat

better foods and in smaller quantities and I'm doing that whether I'm

diabetic or not. I guess I'm a bit frustrated because the answers to my

questions just aren't coinciding with each other.

I would say your diabetes is just beginning to show up and that's why your

HbA1c is good. this test shows an average of what your bg's are like over

the last 3 months. As a type II diabetic, your bg's can swing wildly all

over the place . You have to stabalize them and it will be much easier to

do this now than if you wait til they are worse . Again, I suggest you

begin to test yourself so YOU can see what they are and exactly what

different foods do for you. Someone recentlyposted that Walmart gives you

the meter if you buy some strips - do it for one month and see what happens.

Do yourself a big favor.

Meenie

[Guest guest]

Meenie - What do you mean by " you are not limited " on the Atkins diet? You

can just eat...? Rebekah ( I know I know I should read the book eh?)

[Guest guest]

Meenie wrote...

>>>Huh? What does blue? mean ? LOL<<<

Like the Blue Meenies... The Beatles... Come on, work with me here.

>>>If the doctor were to lie to you and say you were diabetic knowing

that you aren't he would lose his license. I doubt that his urgency for

you to diet is that strong, Bil <<<

I don't necessarily think he's lying to me. I saw the lab reports

myself. I just question what can really be concluded from normal BG

over a three month period and high BG twice after 12 hours of fasting.

I know, I know. Get a monitor and go to it myself. I will, after my

next bloodwork. Right now I'm going to get my diet nutritionally under

control. If that alone doesn't solve the problem, I'll tackle the

diabetic angle of it.

I must admit, I am hearing a lot about the Atkins diet that sounds good

to me. I'm also hearing some very positive testimonials for it. Why

doesn't the ADA embrace this approach to diet control? What are the

down sides to Atkins?

Bil

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[Guest guest]

Like the Blue Meenies... The Beatles... Come on, work with me here.

AAACCCCCKKKKK!!! I'm a Beatles fan too LOL I shoulda connected on that one

sheesh...

I don't necessarily think he's lying to me. I saw the lab reports

myself. I just question what can really be concluded from normal BG

over a three month period and high BG twice after 12 hours of fasting.

I know, I know. Get a monitor and go to it myself. I will, after my

next bloodwork.

LOL.. you got it But really, the HbA1c only gives an average ... if your

bg's were way high half the time and rather low half the time, it would show

them as being good . Also, as a type II, you are resistant to insulin

but you still create plenty of it. So you may go low at times when the

insulin is finally able to get in and work on your bg's. without testing

you won't know whats happening.

Or go have yourself a hamburger and a baked potato and go into your doctor's

office and just ask them to take your bg about an hour later... see what it

is after you eat something with some carbs to it.

Right now I'm going to get my diet nutritionally under

control. If that alone doesn't solve the problem, I'll tackle the

diabetic angle of it.

Well, diabetically speaking (er.. is that a word?? hehe) getting your diet

under control is a big chunk of the diabetic angle It's just a matter of

figuring out what kind of diet works best for you. You said the doctor gave

you an ADA exchange diet? That may do the trick for you if you stick to it.

My problem with it was I couldn't stick to it. I wanted to eat more than

what it gave me ... but on the low carb I am not so limited so it suits

me better.

I must admit, I am hearing a lot about the Atkins diet that sounds good

to me. I'm also hearing some very positive testimonials for it. Why

doesn't the ADA embrace this approach to diet control? What are the

down sides to Atkins?

The ADA has upheld the food pyramid for zillions of years and touted the low

fat approach, assured us that we mustn't eat fats - it would hurt our

hearts, we mustn't eat so much protein - bad for our hearts and kidneys, and

to eat eat eat the carbs cause it fuels our bodies.

Dr Atkins was on The View today (a talk show) and he had a box of cereal...

it was marked as being approved by the American Heart Association - it had

28 grams of carbohydrates, 15 grams of sugar, and contained hydrogenated oil

in it! I cringe when I think what that cereal would have done to my bg's.

In order for the " experts " to approve of the Low Carb diets, they would have

to admit they have been wrong for years upon years and in fact that what

they have been touting has been harmful to some of us. They aren't likely

to do this.

However, more and more Physicians are using Atkins and other low carb WOL's

in their treatments.

I work in a hospital and the other day we got a memo from our Exercise

Physiologist about how " bad " the low carb diet is and how " far too many MD's

are using it now instead of the *accepted* low fat/high carb WOE " !!

You might be interested to note that Dr A is a cardiologist and that his

diet was created to help his heart patients get rid of their blockages - wt

loss was simply a side effect!

Meenie

[Guest guest]

Okay Rebekah,

My conflicting data concerning fasting BG that's high and non-fasting

HbA1c that's okay is indicative of the onset of diabetes. It's all

confusing because the villainous BG butterfly is just semi-emerged from

the cocoon at this point. That makes it all make sense. So I'm

catching this problem just as it is becoming a problem giving me a bit

of an edge in treating the problem.

Don't suppose I can just shove it back in the cocoon. Or whack whatever

body part is hanging out of the cocoon and destroy it.

Nah, I didn't think so.

Bil

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[Guest guest]

<<<

Or go have yourself a hamburger and a baked potato and go into your

doctor's office and just ask them to take your bg about an hour later...

see what it is after you eat something with some carbs to it.>>>

Were you being fasci...er... facish...er... fashish... um, that is, were

you being sarcastic?

" You said the doctor gave you an ADA exchange diet? That may do the

trick for you if you stick to it. My problem with it was I couldn't

stick to it. I wanted to eat more than what it gave me ... but on the

low carb I am not so limited so it suits me better. "

I've been trying the ADA today and I've felt hungry ALL DAY LONG!!!

Atkins is looking better and better.

" You might be interested to note that Dr A is a cardiologist and that

his diet was created to help his heart patients get rid of their

blockages - wt loss was simply a side effect! "

Fascinating! I like that side effect!!!

Bil

There's No Point In Being Grown Up If You Can't Be Childish Sometimes. -

- - The Doctor

[Guest guest]

Facetious? No, not at all, I'm dead serious! It only takes a couple of

minutes to take a blood sugar... you should be able to ask them to do that

for you - and it might show you a lot - I think it would be a great

experiment !

Meenie

Re: What?

From: areacode618MSW@... (Illinois Guy)

<<<

Or go have yourself a hamburger and a baked potato and go into your

doctor's office and just ask them to take your bg about an hour later...

see what it is after you eat something with some carbs to it.>>>

Were you being fasci...er... facish...er... fashish... um, that is, were

you being sarcastic?

" You said the doctor gave you an ADA exchange diet? That may do the

trick for you if you stick to it. My problem with it was I couldn't

stick to it. I wanted to eat more than what it gave me ... but on the

low carb I am not so limited so it suits me better. "

I've been trying the ADA today and I've felt hungry ALL DAY LONG!!!

Atkins is looking better and better.

" You might be interested to note that Dr A is a cardiologist and that

his diet was created to help his heart patients get rid of their

blockages - wt loss was simply a side effect! "

Fascinating! I like that side effect!!!

Bil

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If you find a way to do that, please share it with us but you can tame it

Meenie

Re: What?

From: areacode618MSW@... (Illinois Guy)

Okay Rebekah,

My conflicting data concerning fasting BG that's high and non-fasting

HbA1c that's okay is indicative of the onset of diabetes. It's all

confusing because the villainous BG butterfly is just semi-emerged from

the cocoon at this point. That makes it all make sense. So I'm

catching this problem just as it is becoming a problem giving me a bit

of an edge in treating the problem.

Don't suppose I can just shove it back in the cocoon. Or whack whatever

body part is hanging out of the cocoon and destroy it.

Nah, I didn't think so.

Bil

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[Guest guest]

When my blood sugar readings started jumping before I went on insulin, I

didn't know what was going wrong and thought something might be wrong with

my meter. Mr. Dr. told me to bring it in when I had my next blood test and

have the nurse/technician look at it. I got a new technician who could draw

blood fine, but had never used a bg monitor and nearly fainted at the

thought of the device. I had to do my own test while she watched. I reported

back to my Dr. and said I didn't this it proved to be a scientific test if I

was doing something wrong. He laughed. - Pat

At 07:37 PM 4/5/99 -0400, you wrote:

>

>

>Facetious? No, not at all, I'm dead serious! It only takes a couple of

>minutes to take a blood sugar... you should be able to ask them to do that

>for you - and it might show you a lot - I think it would be a great

>experiment !

> Meenie

>

> Re: What?

>

>

>From: areacode618MSW@... (Illinois Guy)

>

><<<

>Or go have yourself a hamburger and a baked potato and go into your

>doctor's office and just ask them to take your bg about an hour later...

>see what it is after you eat something with some carbs to it.>>>

>

>Were you being fasci...er... facish...er... fashish... um, that is, were

>you being sarcastic?

>

> " You said the doctor gave you an ADA exchange diet? That may do the

>trick for you if you stick to it. My problem with it was I couldn't

>stick to it. I wanted to eat more than what it gave me ... but on the

>low carb I am not so limited so it suits me better. "

>

>I've been trying the ADA today and I've felt hungry ALL DAY LONG!!!

>Atkins is looking better and better.

>

> " You might be interested to note that Dr A is a cardiologist and that

>his diet was created to help his heart patients get rid of their

>blockages - wt loss was simply a side effect! "

>

>Fascinating! I like that side effect!!!

>

>Bil

>

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[Guest guest]

Of course, you can't eat anything, this is a WOE that limits carbs. But you

can eat all you want of foods that have no carbs, a lot of foods that have 1

or 2 carbs, so you can always have something to eat.

You can have all meats, eggs, fish. You can have bacon and sausage too.

You can have cheese. You can have sour cream and cream cheese. You can

munch on pork skins all day. However, another nice thing about this WOE is

that after you are on it for a few days your appetite diminishes... you no

longer have the intense cravings you once did.. As you lose that carb

addiction, your NEED for eating calms down and you begin to eat more

sensibly on your own. It's great .

Meenie

Re: What?

>From: Gr8Scot5@...

>

>Meenie - What do you mean by " you are not limited " on the Atkins diet? You

>can just eat...? Rebekah ( I know I know I should read the book eh?)

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[Guest guest]

Oh my gosh, Pat!! That is TOO funny... but then again there are a lot of

different meters out there, hopefully the techie just was unfamiliar with

yours! LOLOL

Meenie

Re: What?

>>

>>

>>From: areacode618MSW@... (Illinois Guy)

>>

>><<<

>>Or go have yourself a hamburger and a baked potato and go into your

>>doctor's office and just ask them to take your bg about an hour later...

>>see what it is after you eat something with some carbs to it.>>>

>>

>>Were you being fasci...er... facish...er... fashish... um, that is, were

>>you being sarcastic?

>>

>> " You said the doctor gave you an ADA exchange diet? That may do the

>>trick for you if you stick to it. My problem with it was I couldn't

>>stick to it. I wanted to eat more than what it gave me ... but on the

>>low carb I am not so limited so it suits me better. "

>>

>>I've been trying the ADA today and I've felt hungry ALL DAY LONG!!!

>>Atkins is looking better and better.

>>

>> " You might be interested to note that Dr A is a cardiologist and that

>>his diet was created to help his heart patients get rid of their

>>blockages - wt loss was simply a side effect! "

>>

>>Fascinating! I like that side effect!!!

>>

>>Bil

>>

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Meenie - Are those the " fried " pork rinds you find by potato chips in the

store or what exactly are pork skins? Thanks - Rebekah

[Guest guest]

fried pork fat

Ann S

Re: What?

> From: Gr8Scot5@...

>

> Meenie - Are those the " fried " pork rinds you find by potato chips in the

> store or what exactly are pork skins? Thanks - Rebekah

>

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Bil

how the body responds to the fasting shows whether it is acting in a normal

manner. By not staying within the parameters even though all else is ok it

probably is showing that you are in the first stages and are very lucky to

be caught this early. You should be able to get your WOE (way of eating)

undercontrol quickly and get on with your lifestyle changes.

Ann S

Re: What?

> From: areacode618MSW@... (Illinois Guy)

>

> Meenie wrote...

> >>>Huh? What does blue? mean ? LOL<<<

>

> Like the Blue Meenies... The Beatles... Come on, work with me here.

>

> >>>If the doctor were to lie to you and say you were diabetic knowing

> that you aren't he would lose his license. I doubt that his urgency for

> you to diet is that strong, Bil <<<

>

> I don't necessarily think he's lying to me. I saw the lab reports

> myself. I just question what can really be concluded from normal BG

> over a three month period and high BG twice after 12 hours of fasting.

> I know, I know. Get a monitor and go to it myself. I will, after my

> next bloodwork. Right now I'm going to get my diet nutritionally under

> control. If that alone doesn't solve the problem, I'll tackle the

> diabetic angle of it.

>

> I must admit, I am hearing a lot about the Atkins diet that sounds good

> to me. I'm also hearing some very positive testimonials for it. Why

> doesn't the ADA embrace this approach to diet control? What are the

> down sides to Atkins?

>

> Bil

>

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[Guest guest]

I need some advice and appreciate all the help. Yesterday, my BG was

133. I took it in the morning. Today it was 157 and I ate virtually no

carbs all day. I only had protein and veggies. I had 4 oz. cottage

cheese for breakfast today and took it again(two hours later) and it was

203. That is pretty high, isn't it? How much should it go up after

eating? What is causing the fluctuation? Could someone suggest something

better to eat for breakfast that would not cause it to go up so much. I

just do not know what I am doing wrong.

I just got the gulcometer yesterday and am doing better with it. I

learned how to use the pricker so it is not so bad.

I would appreciate any advice.

[Guest guest]

, I expect you are not eating enough. If you don't eat enough to

keep your metabolism up then it goes into starvation mode and starts dumping

glucose to the body to keep it running. That is one of the reasons for many

small meals in either low carb or ADA diets

Ann s

Re: What?

>

>

> I need some advice and appreciate all the help. Yesterday, my BG was

> 133. I took it in the morning. Today it was 157 and I ate virtually no

> carbs all day. I only had protein and veggies. I had 4 oz. cottage

> cheese for breakfast today and took it again(two hours later) and it was

> 203. That is pretty high, isn't it? How much should it go up after

> eating? What is causing the fluctuation? Could someone suggest something

> better to eat for breakfast that would not cause it to go up so much. I

> just do not know what I am doing wrong.

>

> I just got the gulcometer yesterday and am doing better with it. I

> learned how to use the pricker so it is not so bad.

>

> I would appreciate any advice.

>

>

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Dear ,

About your Bg going up with hardly eating something. Was there

anything different about your stress factor between the two day??

-moderator

[Guest guest]

Yep, those are the ones. I get the Baconette Fried Pork Skins. They have

the regular flavor and the hot and spicy (and they are REALLY hot and

spicy!!)

I use the regular ones... hint: if they are real pale and smooth looking,

dont get em, they're the end of the batch ones and don't taste as good. So

if you get some that taste blah, or are real hard - try again. Look for

skins that are darker in color and a lot of them are curled.

Meenie

Re: What?

>From: Gr8Scot5@...

>

>Meenie - Are those the " fried " pork rinds you find by potato chips in the

>store or what exactly are pork skins? Thanks - Rebekah

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If you had a southern grandmother you may remember when she cooked a ham

everyone fought over the skins that had " fried " in the juices . They were

crispy, hard and flavorful.

Meenie

Re: What?

>

>

>fried pork fat

>

>Ann S

> Re: What?

>

>

>> From: Gr8Scot5@...

>>

>> Meenie - Are those the " fried " pork rinds you find by potato chips in the

>> store or what exactly are pork skins? Thanks - Rebekah

>>

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[Guest guest]

>I need some advice and appreciate all the help. Yesterday, my BG was

>133. I took it in the morning. Today it was 157 and I ate virtually no

>carbs all day. I only had protein and veggies.

What time was the 157 reading? And what veggies did you eat? Carrots, corn,

and potatoes are very high in carbs.

I had 4 oz. cottage

>cheese for breakfast today and took it again(two hours later) and it was

>203. That is pretty high, isn't it?

Yes, that is pretty high. Was the cottage cheese the only thing you ate?

Did you add anything to it? Fruit? What about to drink?

I

>just do not know what I am doing wrong.

You may not be doing anything wrong... How are you feeling? do you have a

bad cold or flu? Infections make the bg's go up . How about stress? That

does the same thing.

>

>I just got the gulcometer yesterday and am doing better with it. I

>learned how to use the pricker so it is not so bad.

Good for you, !! That's the first big step in taking control of this

critter called diabetes.

>

>I would appreciate any advice.

>

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In a message dated 99-04-06 16:58:41 EDT, you write:

<< If you had a southern grandmother you may remember when she cooked a ham

everyone fought over the skins that had " fried " in the juices . They were

crispy, hard and flavorful. >>

Not just Southern!! - Growing up in Rochester, NY, my mother cooked the

greatest pork roasts - and the crispy pork skins/rinds? were always fought

over - and there were 5 of us kids - well, 6 counting my father!

in Port Orange FL