Re: Work: People shouldn't intentionally provoke one another

February 6, 2007

Dear M

True, it was a gift from and the fact I am willing to share it for

free

Doesn't indicate that I don't value it

I wouldn't want to share things I don't value

In fact I do believe that people can benefit from it - so I offer to share

Some people have the story that they don't have the money to pay for it

So I give it for free if they believe it could serve them

I believe that some people should pay for it

And some don't, that is the reality of things

And it is perfect that way

T

-- Re: Work: People shouldn't intentionally provoke

one another

Just for clarity...Tami didn't pay for the Parlor...it was a gift from

, I believe. Maybe that explains why someone can give

away...something that they don't value or want for themselves.

And I've certainly given away things I didn't value which other people

paid for and gave to me out of love (Christmas gifts). Good to see

about myself.

Love, nne

> I would never ask you to change and I wouldn't want you to. This was

> one of those topics where I felt so strongly that I didn't know if the

> work would bring me any realizations. None of us are without our

issues.

>

February 6, 2007

has the right to ask people to respect an " honour code "

And we all have the right to choose what we choose to respect

For it went:

Does it feels right not to share it?

And I got an inner NO

And the No might change in the future

I am open to see what will come up for me

And I here that you get an inner YES

So, don't do what feels right to YOU

We are the same, we both respect our own believe system

T

P.s

my Boyfriend asked me to BEHAVE in a public event

I said: I will do my best

And as we went there I did things that he would label has " not behave "

He gave me the look and say: I cannot trust you to do what I ask you to do

And I answered: you can trust me to do what I do:

Please you, not please you, not please you, please you

And if it serves you, you may want to stick around

We are together now for 8 months

T

-- Re: Work: People shouldn't intentionally provoke

one another

>

For me this issue isnt about whether I value and want it for myself, it

is about respecting the wishes of the owners, which is that it not be

distributed to people who havent paid for it. Many things are offered

for free to those who cannot afford the Parlour, which is simply a

means to generate income for BKI. Everyone has a right to offer

services for a fee and for free as they choose, and BKI is no

exception. The simple fact is that to operate they need to generate

income. I dont see a problem with that, and to disregard their wishes

= stealing from them. Some of us have no problem with stealing from

others and disregarding thier wishes...it's where we are, until we're

not!

Just for clarity...Tami didn't pay for the Parlor...it was a gift from

> , I believe. Maybe that explains why someone can give

> away...something that they don't value or want for themselves.

>

> And I've certainly given away things I didn't value which other people

> paid for and gave to me out of love (Christmas gifts). Good to see

> about myself.

>

> Love, nne

>

> > I would never ask you to change and I wouldn't want you to. This was

> > one of those topics where I felt so strongly that I didn't know if

the

> > work would bring me any realizations. None of us are without our

> issues.

> >

>

February 7, 2007

I would never ask you to change and I wouldn't want you to. This was

one of those topics where I felt so strongly that I didn't know if the

work would bring me any realizations. None of us are without our issues.

I guess I don't see why you feel the need to display for free what I

gladly pay for. Yes, some may not have the money to pay for it, then

why don't you pay for their own subscription then (turned around: why

don't I?). To me, it's like letting other people use a health club

membership you purchased. The agreement with the health club is that

you are the only one who is allowed to use the card to get into the

building, but you let many people use your card and the health club

now has a drain on it's facility, it's equipment being worn down

faster than it can pay for. If you respect the health club and are

concerned about people's health, then pay for their membership. Or

not. I'm not pushing for you to do anything but trying to give you

maybe another insight into the issue.

Obviously, people do this sort of thing all the time. And, also, in a

capitalist society, I've seen many businesses go under because of

theft. And it wasn't from people in need (because the business didn't

exist there before and doesn't exist now, but the people in that area

are still there), but from a mass number of people who felt they were

entitled to just not pay.

I don't know. Interesting things to think about.

>

> Dear hypegia

>

> I provoke people often.

> That is what I do.

> I sit, stand and I provoke.

>

> I just do it all the time

> I have a story that I love doing it, cause it feels good inside of

me when I

> do it

> But I don't know if I do it because I like doing it, that is the

part of who

> I am.

>

> I provoked my boyfriend yesterday

> And in the beginning he was mad at me

> Cause I didn't play by his rules

>

> But after 1 hour he came to me

> And he came to see that I have no control over my behaviour

> So there is no point to be mad at me.

>

> Wen I provoked him, I knew that he might live me for that

> And I kept on doing it, and I didn't care if I will pay the price of

> loosing him "

> I didn't want to loose myself, it was more important to me

>

> I don't care about what other people think of me

> So it gives me the freedom to intertent myself in my own freaky way

> Like giving my boyfriend a blow job in a bus

> Cause I have no story that doing it is not ok, and you can call it being

> provoke, right

>

> I like myself that way, so I see no reason to change

>

> T

>

> -- Work: People shouldn't intentionally

provoke one

> another

>

> I know this is something that I can work on. So I'll vent. It's an

> extremely primal rage. And I know what I'm about to open myself up to,

> as well, but here I go. It pisses me off seeing someone intentionally

> provoking someone else for a response, sooo...

>

> People shouldn't intentionally provoke one another

>

> 1. Is it true?

>

> Well, obviously people do. But I really feel they shouldn't. It makes me

> mad that people can't just treat each other decently but intentionally

> try to get a rise out of one another. It's fucking immature. They should

> get off their fucking high horse and see that most people are trying to

> lead decent lives. Who gives a flying shit if you don't think a system

> logically works, if it works for them, leave them the fuck alone. Do you

> have to derive pleasure by trying to press their buttons on purpose? Who

> in the hell does that? It's fucking sadistic.

>

> 2. Is it absolutely true that people shouldn't intentionally provoke one

> another?

>

> I don't see a use for it at all.

>

> 3. How do you react when you think this thought?

>

> *I get enraged and want to attack the provoker

> *I distance myself from the person and think little of them and show

> them no respect

> *I want to provoke them to make them see how it feels like (because

> everyone has weaknesses, let's see how it feels to intentionally exploit

> theirs)

> *My gut feels wrenched, my fists clench, and if in the person's

> presence, I snap on them and belittle them as much as I can

> *In social settings, I make sure I poison everyone against the measely

> provoker as best as I know how in order to flush them away from my

> presence

>

> [At this point, I definitely see where I turn into what it is I hate, no

> matter how justified I feel. This provoker must feel the same towards

> whatever he/she is provoking and feel justified. The same thing happens

> the moment you negatively judge someone who is judgemental: you become

> that which you are judging. Doesn't work.]

>

> 4. Who would I be without the thought the people shouldn't intentionally

> and sadistically provoke one another?

>

> An immediate thought: No one is capable of being provoked. Even I'm not

> capable of being provoked. I want to laugh, actually. I see the provoker

> as foolishly believing they have the power to provoke someone else. I

> see the other person as allowing himself to be provoked if he becomes

> so. Just as you can't provoke a tree into an emotional reaction, you

> can't provoke someone else into an emotional reaction. I mean, the

> illusion is very convincing, very convincing. But it's not true. I also

> now have equal compassion for both. Just as I was emotionally trapped

> and enraged by my own thoughts about this, I can see that where someone

> feels the need to provoke another could be trapped and enraged by their

> own thoughts. If they respect me and my ability to stay calm without

> needing provoke somebody for their apparent ignorance, they might ask

> how I got to that point and I may be able to guide them there (here).

> Same

>

> Turnarounds...

>

> People should intentionally provoke one another. Not only is it human

> nature to do so but allows some of us to see through the illusion that

> there is no such thing occuring.

>

> I shouldn't intentionally provoke another. True enough.

>

> My thinking should/shouldn't provoke me. I see the truth through both

> ways. My thinking should provoke a reaction out of me until it doesn't.

> And it shouldn't because it really doesn't have to. There's no reason

> for me to get upset about this topic because it is only an illusion.

> ('s snake/rope example gleaming through to me right now)

>

> I look forward to being provoked or seeing someone else being

> sadistically provoked. I think I actually would. If someone can get a

> rise out of me, that just gives me an opportunity to work on something

> else and come to peace with another issue.

>

> Phew! I don't know if I can actually live this realization yet. I would

> still probably whack someone upside their head if I see them picking on

> somebody else (even if only in my mind) but, at least, deep down I know

> I really don't need to. I can feel I'm not as emotionally attached to

> the concept that people shouldn't provoke one another. This is the

> beauty of the work that I love so dearly.

>

February 7, 2007

By the way, I know I am being judgemental. And I know my own answer to

the situation is that I should be the one to pay if it is my issue

that people are reading the parlor for free. Guess what? I'm too

stingy right now to do something like there, so there's my issue.

Cheers to you, Tami. (BTW, giving your boyfriend a blowjob on the bus:

HOT!)

February 7, 2007

> I would never ask you to change and I wouldn't want you to. This was

> one of those topics where I felt so strongly that I didn't know if

the

> work would bring me any realizations. None of us are without our

issues.

>

> I guess I don't see why you feel the need to display for free what I

> gladly pay for. Yes, some may not have the money to pay for it, then

> why don't you pay for their own subscription then (turned around:

why

> don't I?). To me, it's like letting other people use a health club

> membership you purchased. The agreement with the health club is that

> you are the only one who is allowed to use the card to get into the

> building, but you let many people use your card and the health club

> now has a drain on it's facility, it's equipment being worn down

> faster than it can pay for. If you respect the health club and are

> concerned about people's health, then pay for their membership. Or

> not. I'm not pushing for you to do anything but trying to give you

> maybe another insight into the issue.

>

> Obviously, people do this sort of thing all the time. And, also, in

a

> capitalist society, I've seen many businesses go under because of

> theft. And it wasn't from people in need (because the business

didn't

> exist there before and doesn't exist now, but the people in that

area

> are still there), but from a mass number of people who felt they

were

> entitled to just not pay.

>

> I don't know. Interesting things to think about.

>

> >

> > Dear hypegia

> >

> > I provoke people often.

> > That is what I do.

> > I sit, stand and I provoke.

> >

> > I just do it all the time

> > I have a story that I love doing it, cause it feels good inside of

> me when I

> > do it

> > But I don't know if I do it because I like doing it, that is the

> part of who

> > I am.

> >

> > I provoked my boyfriend yesterday

> > And in the beginning he was mad at me

> > Cause I didn't play by his rules

> >

> > But after 1 hour he came to me

> > And he came to see that I have no control over my behaviour

> > So there is no point to be mad at me.

> >

> > Wen I provoked him, I knew that he might live me for that

> > And I kept on doing it, and I didn't care if I will pay the price

of

> > loosing him "

> > I didn't want to loose myself, it was more important to me

> >

> > I don't care about what other people think of me

> > So it gives me the freedom to intertent myself in my own freaky

way

> > Like giving my boyfriend a blow job in a bus

> > Cause I have no story that doing it is not ok, and you can call it

being

> > provoke, right

> >

> > I like myself that way, so I see no reason to change

> >

> > T

Hey Tami,

do you love yourself also, when you are totally ordinary, un-freaky

and boring?

Heartfelt Regards - Rose

February 7, 2007

Just for clarity...Tami didn't pay for the Parlor...it was a gift from

, I believe. Maybe that explains why someone can give

away...something that they don't value or want for themselves.

And I've certainly given away things I didn't value which other people

paid for and gave to me out of love (Christmas gifts). Good to see

about myself.

Love, nne

> I would never ask you to change and I wouldn't want you to. This was

> one of those topics where I felt so strongly that I didn't know if the

> work would bring me any realizations. None of us are without our

issues.

>

February 7, 2007