TO Kris

[Guest guest]

Im just glad you didnt leave.. as one of those off topic

people .. im glad you are staying i hope..

I read that when ones old beliefs get shaken.. it can cause sickness..

Its also in a Ponder book.. she calls it

chemicalization.. in her book Dynamic LAws of HEaling..

last chapter..

again off topic.. bummer ..

According to ponder when we start doing inner work like the work..

well she says when you do affirmations.. old ideas, opinions , health

problems, past unhappiness will come up to be healed.

" when this stirring up process begins, do not panic. just rejoice and

give thanks that a deep cleansing is taking place .....

saying None of these things move me and this too, shall pass. "

Well in katie terms.. I look forward to this illness.. im willing to

be ill..

" When a right thinking person seems to lose something, it is because

his inner self is clearing the way for better things. "

Leonie.. You might like ponders books.. though katie says

affirmations are superstition.. she isnt against them..

I do think they work some what well as mona and Giovanni would say

if i believe they work they work and if i dont believe they dont work

they wont.. .. though i do see that underneath

is the old beliefs we need to question. and if you let go

of those I suppose one would not need affirmations..

i mix all kinds of practices..

I even use katie quotes as affirmations..

to read.. for inspiration..

I hope you feel better soon,

love, roslyn

-- In Loving-what-is , " integr8td2004 "

wrote:

>

> Rozzie, I apologize. I came into this group with high expectations. I

> felt I had really come onto something I could understand and be able

> to actually apply. I was immediately confronted with my own

> limitations, and passed judgement. That was unfair of me and I have

> since seen there are many lovely caring people here. Please try to

> understand that being brand new to all of this, and maybe someday

> I'll share a very difficult journey getting here, I could not believe

> some of the contentions and what appeared as hatefulness in what was

> supposed to be a group " loving what is. " The contention and hatred

> was coming from me. I should have taken the time to read further

> before forming an opinion. My original post was from a person who has

> not even come close to understanding this process and still has a

> judgemental heart, a confused mind and flooded with too much

> information in a short amount of time. I was trying to digest it all

> and apply it in my life, only to manefest physical illnesses in that

> attempt. I am an otherwise very healthy person and could not figure

> out what the problem was. My whole life has turned upside down. So,

> again I apologize for my introduction. It's embarrasing to say the

> least, yet really did help me to see and understand better.

>

> Thanks.

> Kris

>

>

>

> -- In Loving-what-is , " mrcitrus6 " <mrcitrus6@>

> wrote:

> >

> > kris.. i think judging this group and one person

> > by one post.. is not fair.. but its your story..

> > and its ok..too.

> > rozzie-

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > - In Loving-what-is , Kris Monet <integr8td2004@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > WOW! Alienated by what? Fear? For crying out loud, Byron's

> > name and work are all over the ACIM group posts and nobody gets

> > offended. She is revered and respected. Her many fans are not just

> > here and now that I know that division and separation exist here in

> > the hearts of those " who are alienated " by anyone or anything, I'll

> > spend my time elsewhere. I think herself would be sick if she

> > read a post like this one. IS THAT TRUE???

> > > I was brand new to this group as of yesterday. Guess I'll just

> > stay with ACIM. There's none of this there. Good luck in

> doing " the

> > work. " Doesn't seem to be working for some.

> > >

> > > Vivian Barning <vbarning@> wrote:

> > > Sign me up on the list of people who are alienated by

> all

> > the ACIM references on this board.

> > >

> > > Vivian

> > > Re: Arthritis - Hanle

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thank you ! I have wondered if LTW is trying to get

> people

> > > > over to ACIM. I cannot see any other reason why he is

> continously

> > > > posting about this on a work list. Heavens knows, there are

> enough

> > > > ACIM lists that he can join!

> > > >

> > > > Then I wondered how successful he is if that is really his

> > > > intention. It appeared to me that he would be alienating people

> > > > rather than " convert " them. Your and 's posts today showed

> that

> > > > this may be so. If he is not trying to " convert " people, the

> only

> > > > other reason I can think of for him to keep on posting like

> this,

> > > > would be to show how much " more " he knows than the rest of us

> > > > ignorant people. Could that be true LTW?

> > > >

> > >

> > > Hanle what can I say? I was lying on the floor and an ant crawled

> > > over my foot and now I feel the need to merge ACIM and the Work

> (just

> > > joking, I know how you like to take things literally). Of course

> > > anything I write is for me and if it helps someone else that is

> just

> > > a bonus. I know that when anyone mentions the name " Jesus " they

> think

> > > that they are on some holy crusade to " convert " people to

> > > Christianity or ACIM. Trust me I have no wish to convert anyone

> to

> > > anything. I think that the Work could benefit from a dose of the

> > > Courses metaphysics, and the Course could benefit from a more

> > > structured forgiveness practice like the Work. My recent posts

> have

> > > been exploring that connection.

> > > I must admit that my understanding of ACIM's metaphysics is

> pretty

> > > impressive, but then what would you expect after 20 years of

> study

> > > and practice? If you disagree with any of my thoughts feel free

> to

> > > state an alternate position which we can discuss, rather than

> > > resorting to personal attacks.

> > >

> > > Have a beautiful day

> > >

> > > " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

> > > Byron

> > >

> > >