Guest guest Posted February 13, 2000 Report Share Posted February 13, 2000 Oh, , I can't believe your medical provider would turn you loose without more instruction than you've gotten! Well, you've come to the right place ....there are a lot of knowledgeable people here. First of all, do you have a meter? If not, get one...and start testing frequently...first thing in the morning, 2 hours after meal, before each meal and at bedtime. Blood sugars should ideally be around 100, around 140 2 hours after a meal. Continued highs over 140 can cause the devastating longterm consequences of bad BG control...like blindness, neuropathy, heart disease, renal failure, etc. etc. Do some reading. I strongly suggest " Dr. Bernstein's Diabetic Solutions " by M. Bernstein, M.D., the best single book to educate you about diabetes. Check our website...there are lots of good links and references . I believe the address is http://www/msteri.com/diabetes. Are you taking any medications? Do you exercise? There are a lot of people no this list who use low carbing as a way to control their BGs. Pasta, rice, and breads are all high carb foods and cause blood glucose elevations. You can check this out on your own body by testing an hour and two hours after eating a meal with carbs. If you cut out these foods, within a week you'll seem dramatic improvement in your BGs and in the way you feel. I'm going to have to cut this short because I've run out of time. Incidentally, group, I'm going to SF for a few days, leaving Monday, so I'll be away from list...when I get back it'll probably take me a week to catch up with my email! I'm sure a lot of experienced listers have more suggestions for here...go for it! Take care, , and good luck . Vicki In a message dated 00-02-13 13:21:09 EST, you write: << o can advise me on more healther eatting habits. Sweets are not a big thing with me but I do love mexican foods and oriental foods...of course meatloaf and stuff like that. Is rice bad for dibetics? I love rice. I also have a heart condition that I know is agravated by my high sugar levels. I have had one heart attack and 3 stents put in to open clogged arteries. I don't eat much, but I must be eating the wrong things. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2000 Report Share Posted February 13, 2000 In a message dated 02/13/2000 10:20:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, Ichi1975@... writes: << I have no one I can talk to. Please if you think you can help me...please write me. >> Now you have lots of wonderful folks to talk to . Everyone gave you great advice already. Keep eating and testing and reading to learn all you can and keep posting here with your questions and concerns. You are alone no longer! = ) Meniowl@... type2,dx7/99,low-carbs & water aerobics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2000 Report Share Posted February 13, 2000 Hello, . No, you do not have to give up everything you like. As for rice, some of us (like me) can eat it without problems, some cannot. Learn now that YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY (YMMV). In other words, everyone's body is different, and we each have to find out what works for us. Your glucose meter is one of your best tools. It will show you what food to limit or eliminate if you test 1.5 to two hours after eating to see how your body reacted to what you ate. Many people go strictly low-carb and eliminate pasta, breads, rice, and potatoes. Some still use the ADA pyramid exchange plan. I guess my WOE (way of eating) is between the two. I use the exchange plan, but also use moderation in eating things that are high in carbs. I am also careful that I only eat past, breads, rice, and potatoes with other foods. My 2-hour post prandial (after eating) testing has shown me that I can do that. Some of the foods you love you might need to modify a bit. For example, the meatloaf. I still make meatloaf. Because my triglycerides are high, I am careful to use the leanest ground beef I can find, use egg beaters instead of whole eggs, and reduce the amount of bread crumbs I use in it. I also make my own barbecue sauce to top it because barbecue sauces bought in stores are so high in carbs. You say you've had no education. A session with a certified diabetes educator would be great. Your doctor may have one on staff, or you might look at local hospitals. I don't know what your insurance situation is, but mine pays for sessions with my CDE whenever I go. There are lots of good books that might help you. Two that come to mind are Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution and The Glucose Revolution. This list has a web site with pages for books, cook books, and links to web sites you may find helpful. Take a look at: http://www.msteri.com/diabetes I'm sure some of the others will chime in here with more info for you soon. Let us know how we can help you. Welcome to the list, Teri T2, nutrition & exercise, 4/99 This isn't a diet. It's a permanent lifestyle change. I WILL do this! Scared and alone > From: Ichi1975@... > > I have been diabetic for about 5 years. I have never had any real instructions on how to control my blood sugar...other than to avoid sweets and " watch " what I eat. Do I have to give us everything I love to eat just to keep my blood sugar within the accepted levels? My last blood test was over 9...my doctor said it should be around 6. I need to talk to someone who can advise me on more healther eatting habits. Sweets are not a big thing with me but I do love mexican foods and oriental foods...of course meatloaf and stuff like that. Is rice bad for dibetics? I love rice. I also have a heart condition that I know is agravated by my high sugar levels. I have had one heart attack and 3 stents put in to open clogged arteries. I don't eat much, but I must be eating the wrong things. Most of the time I have a bowl of cereal with 2% milk for breakfast, other times I go all out and have egg beaters gravy and biscuits. Lunch really varies...sometime (most of the time) I eat a bag of low salt no cholesterol > > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2000 Report Share Posted February 13, 2000 : Welcome to the group. I am sure that you will be getting lots of helpful suggestions from other members. But, my feelings are that you are not getting proper care from your doctor. You didn't mention weather you are currently testing your blood sugar, but with an HbA1c reading of nine you should be. Your doctor should also send you to a dietitian to plan a meal system for you. The dietitian that I went to helped me set up a plan that I could live with. There is nothing that I can't eat on the plan although I have to make a special effort to control amounts of some foods. But the plan was set up with my input and is very easy to live with. Your doctor should also refer you to a CDE to call with any questions that you might have and to give you support. If your doctor isn't an endocrinologist or diabetes specialist, perhaps he can refer you to one who can give you more information and support than to tell you to " watch what you eat. " An HbA1c of nine is not acceptable. Good luck! Erwin PS: My HbA1c was 10 when I was diagnosed in April of last year and in November it was down to 4.7. This was just with diet and exercise. PPS: Try not to be scared. As others will tell you, knowledge is a big part of getting the proper treatment and taking care of yourself. This group and others like it have been very helpful to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2000 Report Share Posted February 13, 2000 No, you do not have to give up everything you like. As for rice, some of us (like me) can eat it without problems, some cannot. Learn now that YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY (YMMV). In other words, everyone's body is different, and we each have to find out what works for us. Your glucose meter is one of your best tools. It will show you what food to limit or eliminate if you test 1.5 to two hours after eating to see how your body reacted to what you ate. Many people go strictly low-carb and eliminate pasta, breads, rice, and potatoes. Some still use the ADA pyramid exchange plan. I guess my WOE (way of eating) is between the two. I use the exchange plan, but also use moderation in eating things that are high in carbs. I am also careful that I only eat past, breads, rice, and potatoes with other foods. My 2-hour post prandial (after eating) testing has shown me that I can do that. Some of the foods you love you might need to modify a bit. For example, the meatloaf. I still make meatloaf. Because my triglycerides are high, I am careful to use the leanest ground beef I can find, use egg beaters instead of whole eggs, and reduce the amount of bread crumbs I use in it. I also make my own barbecue sauce to top it because barbecue sauces bought in stores are so high in carbs. You say you've had no education. A session with a certified diabetes educator would be great. Your doctor may have one on staff, or you might look at local hospitals. I don't know what your insurance situation is, but mine pays for sessions with my CDE whenever I go. There are lots of good books that might help you. Two that come to mind are Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution and The Glucose Revolution. This list has a web site with pages for books, cook books, and links to web sites you may find helpful. Take a look at: http://www.msteri.com/diabetes I'm sure some of the others will chime in here with more info for you soon. Let us know how we can help you. Welcome to the list, Teri T2, nutrition & exercise, 4/99 This isn't a diet. It's a permanent lifestyle change. I WILL do this! Scared and alone > From: Ichi1975@... > > I have been diabetic for about 5 years. I have never had any real instructions on how to control my blood sugar...other than to avoid sweets and " watch " what I eat. Do I have to give us everything I love to eat just to keep my blood sugar within the accepted levels? My last blood test was over 9...my doctor said it should be around 6. I need to talk to someone who can advise me on more healther eatting habits. Sweets are not a big thing with me but I do love mexican foods and oriental foods...of course meatloaf and stuff like that. Is rice bad for dibetics? I love rice. I also have a heart condition that I know is agravated by my high sugar levels. I have had one heart attack and 3 stents put in to open clogged arteries. I don't eat much, but I must be eating the wrong things. Most of the time I have a bowl of cereal with 2% milk for breakfast, other times I go all out and have egg beaters gravy and biscuits. Lunch really varies...sometime (most of the time) I eat a bag of low salt no cholesterol > > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2000 Report Share Posted February 13, 2000 Boy , sounds like what I was eating, and it got my stomach into big trouble as well as my blood sugars. I just switched over to lowering carbohydrates a few weeks ago -- you might give it a try, but it is hard to do at first! I still have cravings... Do get a little meter and learn how to test yourself. It's not fun at first, but once you see what happens an hour after eating popcorn, you rethink it. (Of course, you may be able to eat popcorn just fine! That's why the meter is so important... it tells you which things make YOUR blood sugar go up.) Starting to see the patterns really helps.... And talking to the folks in this group does too! Jan At 06:00 PM 02/13/2000 +0000, you wrote: >From: Ichi1975@... > >I have been diabetic for about 5 years. I have never had any real >instructions on how to control my blood sugar...other than to avoid sweets >and " watch " what I eat. Do I have to give us everything I love to eat just >to keep my blood sugar within the accepted levels? My last blood test was >over 9...my doctor said it should be around 6. I need to talk to someone >who can advise me on more healther eatting habits. Sweets are not a big >thing with me but I do love mexican foods and oriental foods...of course >meatloaf and stuff like that. Is rice bad for dibetics? I love rice. I >also have a heart condition that I know is agravated by my high sugar >levels. I have had one heart attack and 3 stents put in to open clogged >arteries. I don't eat much, but I must be eating the wrong things. Most of >the time I have a bowl of cereal with 2% milk for breakfast, other times I >go all out and have egg beaters gravy and biscuits. Lunch really >varies...sometime (most of the time) I eat ! >a bag of low salt no cholesterol butter popcorn and a surgar free lemonade. >I love tea (iced) but I have learned to use only nutra sweet. What am I >doing wrong...I really need someone to talk to me. I try to talk to my >daughter but right now she is so fragil that I only upset her more. I have >no one I can talk to. Please if you think you can help me...please write me. > > > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2000 Report Share Posted February 13, 2000 >meatloaf. I still make meatloaf. Because my triglycerides are high, I am >careful to use the leanest ground beef I can find, use egg beaters instead >of whole eggs, and reduce the amount of bread crumbs I use in it. I also I use oatmeal istead of bread crumbs. I use the Healthy Exchanges cookbooks (http://www.healthyexchanges.com ) Books are available at Amazon.com or your local bookstore. You also might want to look at http://www.fastfoodfacts.com (the year 2000 edition is still being worked on) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2000 Report Share Posted February 15, 2000 Hi . I am just now reading your post of Feb. 13th about eating choices for type 2 diabetics. It's actually not difficult, now that the food labels contain nutritional information. Just try to choose the lowest-carbohydrate foods you can find that you will eat. (No sense buying food you are not going to eat ... but also, this is an excellent opportunity to learn to like foods that are healthy for you, like raw broccoli and cauliflower.) It appears that you are aiming at the wrong targets ... you are focusing on low-fat, low-cholesterol. Our big enemy is carbohydrates, so that is what you should focus on, until your numbers are where you want them. I aim for foods that have 15 grams of carbohydrates per serving or less. That rules out an awful lot of foods, but still leaves me with plenty of choices. Basically, shop the perimeters of the grocery stores ... the salads and lean meats and low-fat cheeses. Around the perimeters, some problem foods would be potatoes and fruits. In general, the full-fat items have fewer carbohydrates than the low-fat ones. But you need to sometimes make compromises. For instance, I choose the low-fat or fat-free versions of commercial salad dressings, even when they have an extra gram of carbohydrates, because I consider the tradeoff worth it. Also, making your own foods is a great idea ... like your own low-carb salad dressings. The frozen Oriental veggies (like the stir-fry ones) are excellent. Fresh veggies dipped in guacamole are fine. Salads. Lots and lots of salads. Great veggies include green beans, the above-mentioned broccoli and cauliflower, and other greens. Nuts are low-carb - but water the fat content. Check out the Nutrasweetened versions of Popsicles, Fudgsicles, and ice cream bars for occasional treats. Good Humor makes some. There's also sugar-free Jello with whipped cream. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2000 Report Share Posted February 15, 2000 asked: << I have been diabetic for about 5 years. I have never had any real instructions on how to control my blood sugar...other than to avoid sweets and " watch " what I eat. Do I have to give us everything I love to eat just to keep my blood sugar within the accepted levels? My last blood test was over 9... I do love mexican foods and oriental foods... Is rice bad for dibetics? I love rice. I also have a heart condition that I know is agravated by my high sugar levels. I have had one heart attack and 3 stents put in to open clogged arteries. I don't eat much, but I must be eating the wrong things. Most of the time I have a bowl of cereal with 2% milk for breakfast, other times I go all out and have egg beaters gravy and biscuits. Lunch really varies...sometime (most of the time) I eat a bag of low salt no cholesterol butter popcorn and a surgar free lemonade. >> More stuff, . Rice is a real problem food for type 2 diabetics, as well as potatoes and pasta. The milk sugars in milk are a special problem for diabetics as well. (In fact, many type 1's use milk to recover from hypos .... it kicks in more slowly than glucose tablets or liquid, and they feel it gives them more control.) So, of the above items, what I would avoid would be the Mexican foods, any of the Oriental foods that are battered, sweetened, or soaked in thick sauces, the cereal (unless you select the very lowest-carb one you can find), the EggBeaters (eat real eggs), the gravy and biscuits, and the popcorn. So yeah ... you're eating all wrong ... and the sad thing is that you are trying to hard to do it right ... but no one ever helped you learn which foods work best for type 2's. We're glad you found the internet, ! Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2000 Report Share Posted February 15, 2000 Teri wrote: << Because my triglycerides are high, I am careful to use the leanest ground beef I can find ... >> Teri, have you tried eliminating fruit from your diet? Fructosamine seems to be bad about spiking triglycerides in some diabetics. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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