Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 Mine was 176. Yikes!!! The other night I had some and it was 240. By the way Kaiser says I don't have diabetes because my fasting sugar was 92. Go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 In a message dated 2/11/00 4:47:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, 768@... writes: > I hope there is something that people have > that doesn't do this because I really like this restaurant. I have been able to find success with steamed Moo Goo Gai Pan or other steamed vegie/protein dish. My favorite restaurant will serve chinese green beans, bok choy, mushrooms and zucchini steamed with my choice of prawns or chicken. I eat at chinese restaurants 2-3 times/week and my last HbA1c was 5.1. Carol Teeman d/e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 In a message dated 02/11/2000 6:14:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, 768@... writes: << By the way Kaiser says I don't have diabetes because my fasting sugar was 92. >> Did they also do an A1c at the same time? It sounds like they did not if they are ready to say you are not diabetic because of the fasting 92. My advice-get back to your Dr. and have them do an A1c. That shows your average for the past 3 months. With the readings you were having after the Chinese dinner there is no way that you would have a low Alc. If they give you any slack mention PATIENCE ASSISTANCE. Those two works work wonders. My gynecologist is the one who ordered my blood work. Maybe you could have a better chance getting it through them. As far as Chinese food, I usually have beef with broccoli with no problems and the egg drop soup. It has the corn starch and sugar but I do OK with it. I do not have it with rice though. I have heard of others that ask for their food with more meat than veges, stir fried and any sauces on the side. Good for you to keep testing to see what you can and can't handle! = ) Meniowl@... type2,dx7/99,low-carbs & water aerobics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 Hi Barb, Yeah I plan on making an appt. next week. They just had a receptionist call and say you don't have diabetes your fasting blood sugar was 92. I asked what the 2 hour reading was and she said all I know is your fasting was 92 so you are fine. The way I found out I had the high sugar is my cat that is 14.5 yrs. old was diagnosed with diabetes. So we went out and bought a moniter for her and I started practicing it on myself. After dinners I was getting readings anywhere from 180 to 240. So I made an appt. to get the GTT. I have had lots of symtoms for awhile but I always just thought it was hormones. I often drink a half gallon of water in the middle of the night because I am so thirsty. I don't know why it never occurred to me that it might be diabetes or glucose intolerance. Anyway I will go into Kaiser next week and tell them the readings I have been getting on my Bayer Glucometer Elite. It doesn't surprise me with Kaiser that you have to be really high before they say you might have a problem. Thanks for listening.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 The chinese restaurants use sugar and cornstarch in lots of stuff. Barb -------------- RAINBOW FARM UNLTD. Breeding Premium Oldenburgs, and fancy sport ponies. http://www.rainbowfarm.com chinese food >From: 768@... > >What is the deal with chinese food? For whatever reason my BG just sores >after I eat it. I asked for no MSG and had beef chop suey mostly all vegies >and maybe two or three bites of rice. Does this happen to anyone else? Is >there any chinese food dish that you have that doesn't do this? I thought I >was doing so good not having the orange chicken....I can't imagine what the >BG reading would have been then. I hope there is something that people have >that doesn't do this because I really like this restaurant. >Thanks, > > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 , you need to fight Kaiser on this. Get a letter and scrips for all the support stuff (strips, meds, insulin, whatever) from your doc and all the background stuff you can. Fasting bg's aren't necessarily an accurate diagnostic tool anymore. Kaiser should not be allowed to get away with this!!!!! IMHO, of course :-) Barb -------------- RAINBOW FARM UNLTD. Breeding Premium Oldenburgs, and fancy sport ponies. http://www.rainbowfarm.com Re: chinese food >From: 768@... > >Mine was 176. Yikes!!! The other night I had some and it was 240. By the >way Kaiser says I don't have diabetes because my fasting sugar was 92. Go >figure. > > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 In a message dated 02/11/2000 9:31:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, shantiquarian@... writes: << <sugar and cornstarch> I'll accept the sugar but most of the ones I know use arrowroot not cornstarch Carolyn Kaminski >> Oh, I just figured it was cornstarch. Is arrowroot better or worse or the same as far as carbs? Meniowl@... type2,dx7/99,low-carbs & water aerobics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 In a message dated 02/11/2000 9:07:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, elva@... writes: << No chicken balls either! >> LOL, Elva what on earth is a chicken ball? Meniowl@... type2,dx7/99,low-carbs & water aerobics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 : Chinese food also raises my bg levels much higher than most other things. It think that it might be because it is not possible to measure the protein content in the servings at a restaurant. When I make stuff at home I know exactly what goes into it and know that one fourth of what I made has so much protein and so much carbs. We only eat Chinese out occasionally, so it isn't a big problem. Normally two hour PP readings are 120 or less. When I eat Chinese out they are usually around 140 or 145. I don't think that the problem is your restaurant. Erwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 : Kaiser diagnosed my diabetes when my fasting blood sugar was 246. There was no doubt. It hasn't been that high since I started checking in April. Only one reading since that time was over 200, a couple around 180 and all the rest were 160 or below. Erwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 : My understanding from literature I got from Kaiser is that two fasting readings over 126 or any two readings over 200 on a random test plus symptoms of diabetes mean you have it. This is from the Introduction to Diabetes sheet that they give you when you go for the classes. I found the Diabetes Center at my Kaiser Medical Center to be wonderful and they provide as much support as you need. I have been seeing a CDE that is a Physician's Assistant and I FAX her my bg readings every two weeks and she calls me and we discuss them. She also saw me when I was diagnosed, three months later and now every six months. She is the one that gave me the prescriptions for the meter and the lancets and test strips. Incidentally, I just got a new box of test strips and they are now free. They don't even charge the normal $5.00 charge that my health insurance normally requires for prescriptions. I also attended the classes at the Medical Center for explaining diabetes and went to see a dietitian who gave me a diet that has worked wonders. If you are getting readings of 180 and 240, plus are having symptoms you probably have diabetes but an HbA1c test will tell quickly. Erwin PS: If you need any info about Kaiser's Diabetes Care, ask me and I will fill you in as best I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2000 Report Share Posted February 11, 2000 <sugar and cornstarch> I'll accept the sugar but most of the ones I know use arrowroot not cornstarch Carolyn Kaminski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2000 Report Share Posted February 12, 2000 Chinese food dishes have to be chosen carefully because most of the heavy sauces (and almost all the white sauces) are made mainly with corn starch and pan drippings (or whatever they call it in Chinese cooking). That's probably what's sending your bg through the roof. Stick to things with very little sauce, lots of veggies, and very little rice or noodles. I love Chinese food, and we often go to a local buffet where they serve lots of stir fried veggies and meat without sauces. Alternatively, you could try some Vietnamese food. Generally, it's much lighter on the sauces. Just stay away from those (wonderful) noodle soups. Robin G. >From: 768@... >Reply-To: diabetes_intonelist >To: diabetes_intonelist >Subject: chinese food >Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:42:31 EST > >From: 768@... > >What is the deal with chinese food? For whatever reason my BG just sores >after I eat it. I asked for no MSG and had beef chop suey mostly all >vegies >and maybe two or three bites of rice. Does this happen to anyone else? Is >there any chinese food dish that you have that doesn't do this? I thought >I >was doing so good not having the orange chicken....I can't imagine what the >BG reading would have been then. I hope there is something that people >have >that doesn't do this because I really like this restaurant. >Thanks, > > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2000 Report Share Posted February 12, 2000 Is it anything like a calf fry? Robin G. (Ducking and Running!) > >In a message dated 02/11/2000 9:07:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, >elva@... writes: > ><< No chicken balls either! > >> >LOL, Elva what on earth is a chicken ball? > >Meniowl@... >type2,dx7/99,low-carbs & water aerobics > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2000 Report Share Posted February 12, 2000 Hi there , I have pretty much had to same experiences as Elva at eating at a Chinese restaurant. I have a favorite that has a great buffet and I am just so " picky " about what I choose to eat. I really " pig out " when I go there and my blood sugar is just fine when I check it. No more than usual after eating anything. I don't take anything that even looks like it has sweet sauce and mostly choose the veggies and meat. I eat a piece of cantalope for desert and if I'm feeling especially hungry for something sweet I get just a little bit of ice cream. It come's out of a machine and it isn't very sweet at all......Just cold. I always drink ice water with lemon in it. I've found it's best if I don't order from the menu. Only eat buffet so I can SEE what I'm eating. Lots of luck hon! Naomi chinese food > > What is the deal with chinese food? For whatever reason my BG just sores > after I eat it. I asked for no MSG and had beef chop suey mostly all vegies > and maybe two or three bites of rice. Does this happen to anyone else? Is > there any chinese food dish that you have that doesn't do this? I thought I > was doing so good not having the orange chicken....I can't imagine what the > BG reading would have been then. I hope there is something that people have > that doesn't do this because I really like this restaurant. > Thanks, > > > > Visit the British Saloon Car Club of Canada > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7967 > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2000 Report Share Posted February 12, 2000 >Or prairie oysters? ****You mean like Rocky Mountain oysters? <vbg> Barb, not running at all --------- >At 10:46 AM 02/12/2000 -0600, you wrote: >> >> >>Is it anything like a calf fry? >> >>Robin G. (Ducking and Running!) >> >> >>> >>>In a message dated 02/11/2000 9:07:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, >>>elva@... writes: >>> >>><< No chicken balls either! >>> >> >>>LOL, Elva what on earth is a chicken ball? >>> >>>Meniowl@... >>>type2,dx7/99,low-carbs & water aerobics >>> >>>--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2000 Report Share Posted February 12, 2000 Or prairie oysters? Jan (Running Even Faster!) At 10:46 AM 02/12/2000 -0600, you wrote: > > >Is it anything like a calf fry? > >Robin G. (Ducking and Running!) > > >> >>In a message dated 02/11/2000 9:07:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, >>elva@... writes: >> >><< No chicken balls either! >> >> >>LOL, Elva what on earth is a chicken ball? >> >>Meniowl@... >>type2,dx7/99,low-carbs & water aerobics >> >>--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2000 Report Share Posted February 12, 2000 Elva, We're still waiting to see what is a " chicken ball " . I'm sorry but you just got my giggle box turned over. It brought back some very funny memories. Such as: When I was first married, my husband and I went to visit his grandparents (my first time to meet them) they were German and couldn't speak a word of English but my husband could understand them. They were just so upset because I was so " skinny " . They kept trying to get me to eat....offering me all kinds of unidenifiable objects. My husband told me that I was hurting their feelings by rejecting their hospitality. I finally agreed to eat " something " that I thought looked like it might be tasty. The problem was that the more I chewed it .....the bigger it got! When I discovered it was calf tongue...I had to run outside and upchuck all of it .....plus everything else I had eaten that day. NOW, I don't eat anything if I can't identify it. LOLROF. Isn't that what Teri said......(Laughing out loud rolling on the floor)? Naomi Re: Chinese food > > > Or prairie oysters? > > Jan (Running Even Faster!) > > At 10:46 AM 02/12/2000 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > >Is it anything like a calf fry? > > > >Robin G. (Ducking and Running!) > > > > > >> > >>In a message dated 02/11/2000 9:07:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, > >>elva@... writes: > >> > >><< No chicken balls either! > >> >> > >>LOL, Elva what on earth is a chicken ball? > >> > >>Meniowl@... > >>type2,dx7/99,low-carbs & water aerobics > >> > >>--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2000 Report Share Posted February 12, 2000 You betcha! Same animal..... At 08:59 AM 02/12/2000 -0700, you wrote: > > >>Or prairie oysters? > ****You mean like Rocky Mountain oysters? <vbg> > >Barb, not running at all >--------- >>At 10:46 AM 02/12/2000 -0600, you wrote: >>> >>> >>>Is it anything like a calf fry? >>> >>>Robin G. (Ducking and Running!) >>> >>> >>>> >>>>In a message dated 02/11/2000 9:07:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, >>>>elva@... writes: >>>> >>>><< No chicken balls either! >>>> >> >>>>LOL, Elva what on earth is a chicken ball? >>>> >>>>Meniowl@... >>>>type2,dx7/99,low-carbs & water aerobics >>>> >>>>--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2000 Report Share Posted February 12, 2000 Well, I guess I will answer my own question, sort of. The way you sounded I thought you knew something different! = ) According to Corrine T. Netzers The Complete Book of Food Counts: Arrowroot 1/4 teaspoon has 0 carbs Cornstarch 1 Tablespoon has 7 carbs This is not to say that arrowroot has none if you were using one tablespoon of it though. Just how the book lists their values. Meniowl@... type2,dx7/99,low-carbs & water aerobics In a message dated 02/12/2000 4:49:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, shantiquarian@... writes: << <Is arrowroot better or worse or the same as far as carbs?> shame on me I don't know and I know Susie gave me sites to check such things out on. Maybe someone else knows the answer. I do know there is a flavor difference and I prefer arrowroot Carolyn >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2000 Report Share Posted February 12, 2000 <Is arrowroot better or worse or the same as far as carbs?> shame on me I don't know and I know Susie gave me sites to check such things out on. Maybe someone else knows the answer. I do know there is a flavor difference and I prefer arrowroot Carolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2000 Report Share Posted February 13, 2000 <Arrowroot 1/4 teaspoon has 0 carbs> now this is interesting since I use arrowroot at home most of the time Carolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2000 Report Share Posted February 13, 2000 Re the Chinese meal and high BG reading debate: IMHO, it's the rice, which has a very high glycemic index. The next to last time I had Chinese food, I ate the whole serving of rice. An hour later, my BG reading was over 200. -- The *only* time it's been that high since my diagnosis. A week or two later, we went back to the same place. I had the same thing - chicken and broccoli, only this time I didn't eat more than a spoonful or two of the rice. The BG reading at 1 hour was 97. Give it a try. Check yourself with and without the rice. See for yourself if this works out for you. (And remember: YMMV.) Our Friday night girls night out group has argued this back and forth. The " Old style control " people try to blame the " high fat " content of the food. I disagree strongly with this. I really do believe the new style low carb -- or at least low/no *refined* carbs -- WOE. A check of Rick Mendosa's Glycemic Index pages turns up the following: > > Wallace Yokoyama, a research chemist working for the U.S. Department of > Agriculture in Albany, California, gave me a comprehensive explanation. There > are, says this noted rice specialist, four types of rice: long-grain, > medium-grain, short-grain, and sweet rice. Sweet rice is also known as sticky > or waxy rice. It makes the best sauces and gravies, and is > > *usually the rice used in Asian restaurants. Sweet rice has no amylose, > Yokoyama says. In other words, it is the rice that has the highest glycemic > index.* > > The three other types of rice have lower glycemic indexes. Among these > types, long-grain rice has the highest amylose content and short-grain the > lowest. Source: " The Glycemic Index " , by Rick Mendosa -- http://www.mendosa.com/gi.htm And the actual Glycemic Index figures of various rice varieties themselves: > > CEREAL GRAINS > > > Rice, instant, boiled 1 min 65 > > Rice, parboiled 68 > Rice, parboiled, high amylose 69 > > Rice, specialty 78 > Rice, brown 79 > Rice, wild, Saskatchewan 81 > Rice, white 83 > Rice, white, high amylose 83 > > Rice, Mahatma Premium 94 > > Rice, Pedle 109 > Rice, Sunbrown Quick 114 > > Rice, Calrose 124 > Rice, parboiled, low amylose Pelde 124 > Rice, white, low amylose 126 > Rice, instant, boiled 6 min 128 Source: " Glycemic Index Lists " , by Rick Mendosa; http://www.cruzio.com/~mendosa/gilists.htm P. S. Since nobody else has defined chicken balls, they are bits of chicken meat rolled in breading and fried. BTW - what are Prairie oysters? And a calf fry? (I *have* heard of a pig roast.) Oops. Looks like Elva beat me to it. I'm really behind on my mail this week-end. Been busy, and a lost hone line yesterday didn't help any, either. ---------------------- At 07:42 PM 2/11/00 -0500, you wrote: >From: 768@... > >What is the deal with chinese food? For whatever reason my BG just sores >after I eat it. I asked for no MSG and had beef chop suey mostly all vegies >and maybe two or three bites of rice. Does this happen to anyone else? Is >there any chinese food dish that you have that doesn't do this? I thought I >was doing so good not having the orange chicken....I can't imagine what the >BG reading would have been then. I hope there is something that people have >that doesn't do this because I really like this restaurant. >Thanks, > > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2000 Report Share Posted February 14, 2000 wrote: << What is the deal with chinese food? For whatever reason my BG just sores after I eat it. >> Rice has oodles of carbs, for one thing. And many of the Oriental dishes contain sweeteners and thickeners that are carby. If you stick with the Oriental veggies and meats in a dish that is not sweet at all, you can perhaps do quite well. Any of the battered items will be a problem though. At home, the frozen Oriental veggies are an excellent choice. Combine them with just about any lean meat for a nutritious, low-carb meal. In restaurants, we are eating " a pig in a poke " - don't really know what they are adding to the dishes. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2000 Report Share Posted February 14, 2000 wrote: << The other night I had some and it was 240. By the way Kaiser says I don't have diabetes because my fasting sugar was 92. Go figure. >> Although I have heard from some who are happy with their Kaiser, there surely have been many bad reports involving them lately. It sounds as if they are just grasping for a reason to dump another potentially-expensive diabetic off their list. A glucose tolerance test will always " prove we are diabetic " . I hope you have another group to turn to, as Kaiser does not appear to be playing straight with you. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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