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I got the pyramid diet when I was diagnosed (I presume you mean the ADA

diabetic exchage diet). It helped control my bg's altho not to what I would

have liked them to be and I was hungry and irritable all the time.

I had to come on the internet to discover low carbing and it has made a

world of diff in my bg!!!! It's awesome.

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>Hi Theo....

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>The g stands for glucose. When you were diagnosed with diabetes..didnt

>anyone give you the pyramid diet? It has all the different things in there

>and what they are. If you dont have one..let me know.

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When they remove fat they have to replace it with something to make it taste

decent... they replace it with sugar.

Go with the lower carbs!!

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>Since we are on the subject of food, I was wondering if any of you have

>noticed that the lite of a product may have more grams of sugar and

>carbohydrates. For example, (these are not the exact numbers, just

>approximate) a Lite Ranch salad dressing had 40 calories, 3g of sugar and

>the Reg. Ranch had 130 calories and 1g of sugar. Do you go with the less

>calories or the less sugar and carbs? And why do they add more sugar to

>lite products???

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I've been on this list thru onelist for a couple of weeks and there is NO

flaming at all :) It's great!

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Yaay Fergy!!! WTG! I LOVE this way of eating :)

There is an atkins support list available at http://www.onelist.com if

you are interested in talking with people on the same kind of WOE. It's been

tremendously helpful to me :)

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I go with the fewer carbs. The reason is this -- carbohydrate turns 100% into

glucose when metabolized. Fat, I believe is 30% and protein 10%. So the one

with fewer carbs will have a lesser effect on your bg.

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Good idea. I dont normally use sauce, but I do make it for catering jobs.

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Yaay Fergy!!! WTG! I LOVE this way of eating :)

There is an atkins support list available at http://www.onelist.com if

you are interested in talking with people on the same kind of WOE. It's

been tremendously helpful to me :)

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Jicama sounds interesting... do you know how many carbs?

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>From: arts@...

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>In a message dated 99-03-04 17:07:58 EST, you write:

>

><< Use splenda to make your bar-be-que sauce and enjoy. >>

>

>Could somebody tell me what Splenda is? A sugar substitute I am

guessing.....

>Is it easily found? I had just weaned myself off of most sugar and learned

to

>like my tea with lemon only. But, SO many foodstuffs have sugar in them.

>Especially sauces.

>

>Also, I have started to lower my carbohydrate intake (HARD for me because I

>eat little if any meat and lived on grains, pasta, and vegetables. LOTS of

>casseroles, etc...) I have limited my carbohydrates to only one meal a day

(I

>only get 2 meals and one snack) and only whole grains. (Whole grain pasta,

>brown rice, etc....) Are there any cookbooks/tips for vegetarian lowcarb

>eating? I <will> eat meat, but it is not my first choice. Also, I kinda

>figured peas were high carb (darn, I love them)..... What about other

veggies?

>And beans? I also love fresh green beans and broccoli, and celery. Are

>there any meatless lowcarb foods out there? (I have not checked the

>artificial meat products like " veggieburgers " , maybe some of those are

lowcarb

>enough to use?

>

>Again, I am not strictly vegetarian, just prefer veggies and grains.

>

>

>

>Oh, about Jicima..... It is great sliced thin, and sprinkled with a little

>salt, lime juice and chili powder. It has a slightly sweet taste to it as

it

>is, but I prefer salty/sour snacks.

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What kind of food plan is this? i mean, can you give me some examples of what

you'd eat in a day?

Helen :-)

>

>

>I follow a low carb diet (Atkins) and my bg's are in much better range now.

>(Was hovering around 200! now 95 - 135)

>It's a great food plan, never hungry and always something to eat :)

>also have lost 14 lbs.

>

> snacks?

>

>

>>

>>

>>I had my diabetes check in with my two endocrinologists yesterday; they

>>think I'm doing well. They increased my insulin evening dose a little to

>get

>>a more normal reading, and I don't have to go back for another month. I

>>mentioned to them that I had had a small tea-cup of frozen peas around 8:00

>>p.m. one evening and noticed that my blood sugar that evening soared into

>>the 200's. I know the teaching nurse recommends sugar-free jello as a

>snack.

>>But, is there anything else excluding salads that might work as a snack?

>>I've noticed I get the best readings when I have a salad with lunch and

>with

>>dinner and if I don't I pay for it.

>>

>>I also have been told to eat more breakfast and lunch and less dinner -

>>doing this does give me better control, I've noticed.

>>

>>Has anyone found a non-jello, non-rabbit food snack that doesn't cause

>>havock with blood sugar?

>>

>>Hopefully, Pat

>>

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> Yaay Fergy!!! WTG! I LOVE this way of eating

> :)There is an atkins support list available at

> http://www.onelist.com if you are interested in

> talking with people on the same kind of WOE. It's

> been tremendously helpful to me :) Meenie

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Was just on-line with my health team and two of my doctors are now

suggesting a balanced diet with about 20 to 30% carbs as the best for a

diabetic. This includes some of the products that have minimal sugar in

them. What they have found is that people that completely take away sugar

and run carbs under 15% have a harder time keeping to the diet and feel the

best. Also they are changing their ideas on treatment of diabetes and are

taking many diabetics back to insulin from the oral medications as there is

better control with a more normal lifestyle. I know when I was changed to

insulin almost 12 years ago now my levels were from the 200s to 70 to 85 as

a constant average and I do not starve myself either. I have pasta once a

week as well as pizza at least once every other week. I even have a small

piece of cake or two cookies for a snack at night.

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Yaay Fergy!!! WTG! I LOVE this way of eating :)There is an atkins

support list available at http://www.onelist.com if you are interested in

talking with people on the same kind of WOE. It's been tremendously helpful to

me :) Meenie

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Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 6:11 AM

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Have you all noticed the sugar content on a real coke....

And the difference of sugar from a bottled coke to a can

coke.... there is a major difference.... Just some food for

thought!!!!! Lori

Fergy wrote:

> Mainly protien. Im on the same thing (slightly

> modified). Im also keep an eye on fat, but not too strong

> an eye (unless you count looking at the food when i eat).

> My numbers have done the same and Ive gone from 255 to 230

> since mid Jan (bg is down to 85-110 depending on if I

> slip/cave in and have a real Coke). Fergy - Deseo alguna

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> snacks?

> >

> >

> >>

> >>

> >>I had my diabetes check in with my two

> endocrinologists yesterday; they

> >>think I'm doing well. They increased my

> insulin evening dose a little to

> >get

> >>a more normal reading, and I don't have to go

> back for another month. I

> >>mentioned to them that I had had a small

> tea-cup of frozen peas around 8:00

> >>p.m. one evening and noticed that my blood

> sugar that evening soared into

> >>the 200's. I know the teaching nurse

> recommends sugar-free jello as a

> >snack.

> >>But, is there anything else excluding salads

> that might work as a snack?

> >>I've noticed I get the best readings when I

> have a salad with lunch and

> >with

> >>dinner and if I don't I pay for it.

> >>

> >>I also have been told to eat more breakfast

> and lunch and less dinner -

> >>doing this does give me better control, I've

> noticed.

> >>

> >>Has anyone found a non-jello, non-rabbit food

> snack that doesn't cause

> >>havock with blood sugar?

> >>

> >>Hopefully, Pat

> >>

> >>

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Hi

Could you please share your recipe for your jerky with us all .....:) Thanks

Lori

lisa stern wrote:

>

>

> I make homemade jerky in the dehydrator and it really helps me with that

> potato chip crunchy salty desire and doesn't affect my Bg's at all...Also

> If I eat a couple of peices before bed it seems to help with my AM Bg rise

>

>

>

> At 09:10 PM 3/3/99 -0500, you wrote:

> >

> >

> >I had my diabetes check in with my two endocrinologists yesterday; they

> >think I'm doing well. They increased my insulin evening dose a little to get

> >a more normal reading, and I don't have to go back for another month. I

> >mentioned to them that I had had a small tea-cup of frozen peas around 8:00

> >p.m. one evening and noticed that my blood sugar that evening soared into

> >the 200's. I know the teaching nurse recommends sugar-free jello as a snack.

> >But, is there anything else excluding salads that might work as a snack?

> >I've noticed I get the best readings when I have a salad with lunch and with

> >dinner and if I don't I pay for it.

> >

> >I also have been told to eat more breakfast and lunch and less dinner -

> >doing this does give me better control, I've noticed.

> >

> >Has anyone found a non-jello, non-rabbit food snack that doesn't cause

> >havock with blood sugar?

> >

> >Hopefully, Pat

> >

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yep, they are terrible, but I only go up to 120 when I have one. Potato

salad on the other hand! 4oz serving and I go up to around 145!!!

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>

>

>>

>>

>>I had my diabetes check in with my two endocrinologists yesterday;

they

>>think I'm doing well. They increased my insulin evening dose a

little to

>get

>>a more normal reading, and I don't have to go back for another

month. I

>>mentioned to them that I had had a small tea-cup of frozen peas

around 8:00

>>p.m. one evening and noticed that my blood sugar that evening soared

into

>>the 200's. I know the teaching nurse recommends sugar-free jello as

a

>snack.

>>But, is there anything else excluding salads that might work as a

snack?

>>I've noticed I get the best readings when I have a salad with lunch

and

>with

>>dinner and if I don't I pay for it.

>>

>>I also have been told to eat more breakfast and lunch and less

dinner -

>>doing this does give me better control, I've noticed.

>>

>>Has anyone found a non-jello, non-rabbit food snack that doesn't

cause

>>havock with blood sugar?

>>

>>Hopefully, Pat

>>

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I personally love potatoe salad. Have you ever tried to make it with turnips or

rutabagas? Just peel and boil till tender then add egg, mayonaise, mustard a

little dill pickle relish and your sweetening of choice (mine is splenda). Salt

and pepper to taste and top with paprika. Low Carb and is really delicious.

snacks?

>

>

>>

>>

>>I had my diabetes check in with my two endocrinologists

yesterday; they

>>think I'm doing well. They increased my insulin evening dose a

little to

>get

>>a more normal reading, and I don't have to go back for another

month. I

>>mentioned to them that I had had a small tea-cup of frozen

peas around 8:00

>>p.m. one evening and noticed that my blood sugar that evening

soared into

>>the 200's. I know the teaching nurse recommends sugar-free

jello as a

>snack.

>>But, is there anything else excluding salads that might work

as a snack?

>>I've noticed I get the best readings when I have a salad with

lunch and

>with

>>dinner and if I don't I pay for it.

>>

>>I also have been told to eat more breakfast and lunch and less

dinner -

>>doing this does give me better control, I've noticed.

>>

>>Has anyone found a non-jello, non-rabbit food snack that

doesn't cause

>>havock with blood sugar?

>>

>>Hopefully, Pat

>>

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Maybe jicama would be good too. One thing that adds to the BG counts is

the mayonnaise. I bet if you experimented with less mayonnaise, you

could get something that is close to the same thing but fewer calories.

If you use Miracle Whip, you're really asking for trouble. It is sweet,

because it has a lot of sugar. (Another product that sneaks the sugar to

you is catsup.)

Ann Stagner wrote:

> I personally love potatoe salad. Have you ever tried to make it with

> turnips or rutabagas? Just peel and boil till tender then add egg,

> mayonaise, mustard a little dill pickle relish and your sweetening of

> choice (mine is splenda). Salt and pepper to taste and top with

> paprika. Low Carb and is really delicious.

>

> snacks?

> > >

> > >

> > >>From: Pat Vorenberg

> >

> > >>

> > >>I had my diabetes check in with my

> > two endocrinologists yesterday; they

> > >>think I'm doing well. They increased

> > my insulin evening dose a little to

> > >get

> > >>a more normal reading, and I don't

> > have to go back for another month. I

> > >>mentioned to them that I had had a

> > small tea-cup of frozen peas around

> > 8:00

> > >>p.m. one evening and noticed that my

> > blood sugar that evening soared into

> > >>the 200's. I know the teaching nurse

> > recommends sugar-free jello as a

> > >snack.

> > >>But, is there anything else

> > excluding salads that might work as a

> > snack?

> > >>I've noticed I get the best readings

> > when I have a salad with lunch and

> > >with

> > >>dinner and if I don't I pay for it.

> > >>

> > >>I also have been told to eat more

> > breakfast and lunch and less dinner -

> > >>doing this does give me better

> > control, I've noticed.

> > >>

> > >>Has anyone found a non-jello,

> > non-rabbit food snack that doesn't

> > cause

> > >>havock with blood sugar?

> > >>

> > >>Hopefully, Pat

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

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There is nothing in mayonaise to raise BG it is eggs, vinegar and oil. Carbs

are 0 and sugars are 0. The fat is something I don't worry too much about as my

cholestrol is fine.

Yes if you use Catsup you need to look for the sugarless type.

Ann S

snacks?

>

>

>>

>>

>>I had my diabetes check in with my two

endocrinologists yesterday; they

>>think I'm doing well. They increased my insulin

evening dose a little to

>get

>>a more normal reading, and I don't have to go back for

another month. I

>>mentioned to them that I had had a small tea-cup of

frozen peas around 8:00

>>p.m. one evening and noticed that my blood sugar that

evening soared into

>>the 200's. I know the teaching nurse recommends

sugar-free jello as a

>snack.

>>But, is there anything else excluding salads that

might work as a snack?

>>I've noticed I get the best readings when I have a

salad with lunch and

>with

>>dinner and if I don't I pay for it.

>>

>>I also have been told to eat more breakfast and lunch

and less dinner -

>>doing this does give me better control, I've noticed.

>>

>>Has anyone found a non-jello, non-rabbit food snack

that doesn't cause

>>havock with blood sugar?

>>

>>Hopefully, Pat

>>

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Ann Stagner wrote:

> There is nothing in mayonaise to raise BG it is eggs, vinegar and

> oil. Carbs are 0 and sugars are 0. The fat is something I don't

> worry too much about as my cholestrol is fine. Yes if you use Catsup

> you need to look for the sugarless type. Ann S

Thanks for the clarification. I know that I was wrong. As for myself, I

couldn't use sugarless type things if they contained artificial

sweetners, since they make my BG's go up. I have just learned to live

without needing to consume anything sweet, except for natural whole

fruit, in moderation.

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I am alergic to aspartame have you tried Splenda. It is wonderful and I have no

reactions to it and my BG's stay down and I can even have icecream or egg

custard made with it and its wonderful. If the aspartame people loose their

hold on the american diet public splenda will knock it out of the water.

Ann S

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Ann Stagner wrote:

There is nothing in mayonaise to raise BG it is eggs, vinegar and oil.

Carbs are 0 and sugars are 0. The fat is something I don't worry too much about

as my cholestrol is fine. Yes if you use Catsup you need to look for the

sugarless type. Ann S

Thanks for the clarification. I know that I was wrong. As for myself, I

couldn't use sugarless type things if they contained artificial sweetners, since

they make my BG's go up. I have just learned to live without needing to consume

anything sweet, except for natural whole fruit, in moderation.

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havent tried that, thankx for the tip

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snacks?

>

>

>>

>>

>>I had my diabetes check in with my two endocrinologists

yesterday; they

>>think I'm doing well. They increased my insulin evening dose a

little to

>get

>>a more normal reading, and I don't have to go back for another

month. I

>>mentioned to them that I had had a small tea-cup of frozen peas

around 8:00

>>p.m. one evening and noticed that my blood sugar that evening

soared into

>>the 200's. I know the teaching nurse recommends sugar-free jello

as a

>snack.

>>But, is there anything else excluding salads that might work as

a snack?

>>I've noticed I get the best readings when I have a salad with

lunch and

>with

>>dinner and if I don't I pay for it.

>>

>>I also have been told to eat more breakfast and lunch and less

dinner -

>>doing this does give me better control, I've noticed.

>>

>>Has anyone found a non-jello, non-rabbit food snack that doesn't

cause

>>havock with blood sugar?

>>

>>Hopefully, Pat

>>

>>

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Reason for the sugar to help cut the acid from the tomatoes. It is actually

essential tot he product. Some is even a natural sugar that the ripe tomatoes

make themselves.

In reading labels you really need to know what the natural values are of certain

foods and in many cases the labels are showing the natural and not added

contents of the products.

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At 02:32 AM 3/5/99 -0800, you wrote:

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>Could you please share your recipe for your jerky with us all .....:) Thanks

>Lori

>

Here is the recipe

I get rump roast from the market and take it to the butcher and ask them to

slice it really thin for jerky (Rump roast holds together the best and

isn't too fatty)

I coat it with a mixture of salt, chile powder, dehydrated onion and garlic

powder, very lightly. ( otherwise it is too spicy and no one will eat

it)-basically I just sprinkle it on with a shaker.

I put it in the dehrdrator and let it dry overnight. Viola! Delicious

beef jerky- low in carbs and fat, and a great snack. the only problem is

that everyone else in the house loves it so I have to hide it. (and they

still find it!!!!)

I hope this isn't too vague, but I am one of those cooks who never measures

anything.

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In a message dated 99-03-06 19:05:26 EST, you write:

<< Well, I looked the Jicama up in my carbo counter and it seems a bit

weird...

How big is a jicama anyway??

It says raw, trimmed it has 5.3 carbs, but then it lists it again as raw,

UNtrimmed as 36 carbs!!

What do you have to trim off??? LOL >>

Okay,

I have seen Jicamas from the size of a softball to the size of a cantaloupe in

the stores. They can get even bigger though.

It is a root vegetable, with a fibrous skin that you peel off (Kinda like a

potato skin).

I have always had it served in thin strips like planks or very thin slices

like water chestnuts.

Most root vegetables seem to have a lot of carbohydrates, that is why I was

wondering.

I pretty much see whole Jicamas in stores that sell Latin-American produce and

specialty foods.

Trimmed? Hmmm. I have always had them just peeled and sliced.

Who knows.......

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Well, I looked the Jicama up in my carbo counter and it seems a bit weird...

How big is a jicama anyway??

It says raw, trimmed it has 5.3 carbs, but then it lists it again as raw,

UNtrimmed as 36 carbs!!

What do you have to trim off??? LOL

Meenie

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>In a message dated 99-03-04 19:16:38 EST, you write:

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><< Jicama sounds interesting... do you know how many carbs? >>

>

>You know.......I am not sure. I was told it was a " lowcarb " food, but

being a

>root vegetable, it may not be. I looked in a little carbohydrate counter

and

>did not see it listed. If you have a counter with more ethnic foods, maybe

it

>will have it. It is the consistency of water chestnut, and a less

pronounced

>taste. Some people say it is like a very bland very crisp apple.

>

>If you don't know what it is, it is a root vegetable and can grow huge. I

>usually see them about the size of a softball at the store, but cantaloupe-

>sized ones are not uncommon. The skin is ugly and dark brown, and the

inside

>is very fibrous, juicy, and stark white.

>

>It really tastes like nothing to me. I am used to it either being offered

raw

>and peeled for salads or served with lime, chili powder and salt. It can

be

>cooked like turnips though I think.

>

>Where does one find carbohydrate and sugar counts for exotic ethnic foods?

I

>like a lot of that kind of food, but have NO clue as to what is in it.

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Right now I am eating less than 20 grams of carbohydrates a day.... this is

the two week " induction " phase of the atkin's diet.

I find this diet easier to stick to than any diet I have ever been on. I

have no cravings because there is always something I can eat.

Meenie

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>Was just on-line with my health team and two of my doctors are now

>suggesting a balanced diet with about 20 to 30% carbs as the best for a

>diabetic. This includes some of the products that have minimal sugar in

>them. What they have found is that people that completely take away sugar

>and run carbs under 15% have a harder time keeping to the diet and feel the

>best. Also they are changing their ideas on treatment of diabetes and are

>taking many diabetics back to insulin from the oral medications as there is

>better control with a more normal lifestyle. I know when I was changed to

>insulin almost 12 years ago now my levels were from the 200s to 70 to 85 as

>a constant average and I do not starve myself either. I have pasta once a

>week as well as pizza at least once every other week. I even have a small

>piece of cake or two cookies for a snack at night.

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