Re: Asking a genuine question.

[Guest guest]

Dear Lovetheworkofbk,

This is my experience as well, and it is the reason I have to remind

myself that my Guru is Sergeant Schultz of Hogans' Heros. " I know

nothinnnggg! " When I can actually believe that I can patiently await

the Truth rather than listening to my " I already know that! " , Ego

responses.

Surrendering and then surrendering our surrendering seems to be the

requirement and yes, great suffering and first having tried

everything I think I know, seems to be a great motivator. When I am

finally brought to my knees or even flat on my back, I seem to be

willing to wait for an answer.

For me, another helpful concept is " I am not the Doer " .

Love, Steve D.

>

>

> After doing the Work for awhile it becomes very easy to anticipate

> what the " correct " answers should be. My clever little ego, can

> complete worksheet after worksheet with all the proper responses,

> and I am left wondering why I am not feeling less stressful at the

> end of it all. The problem is not the Work it's just that I have

not

> asked a genuine question. But what is a genuine question? For me a

> genuine question is one where I do not have a preprepared

acceptable

> answer already waiting in the wings so to speak. It's the kind of

> question a child often asks, because they really have no idea what

> the correct answer is. Unfortunately as we grow older and gain more

> knowledge, our genuine questions become fewer and fewer because

most

> times we are sure we already know the correct answer.

> often asks us to ask one of the four questions and then wait.

> Waiting is a key characteristic of a genuine question, because if

> you REALLY don't know the answer what can you do but wait! However,

> most times we have no need to wait because the " I know " mind is

> always quick to supply a superficial learnt answer. The trick is

not

> be so accepting of our ego's response and go back to waiting for a

> genuine answer to arise from the love within. It's often not easy

to

> wait, especially if you are sure that you are right!

> A high level of suffering can also be a great motivator for asking

a

> genuine question, when the pain of being right becomes too much we

> are forced to our knees and a heartfelt question is asked for which

> the standard ego response is no longer acceptable.

>

> Just some thoughts on this beautiful day

>

>

> " Love is what you are already. Love doesn't seek anything. It's

> already complete. It doesn't want, doesn't need, has no shoulds. It

> already has everything it wants, it already is everything it wants,

> just the way it wants it. So when I hear people say that they love

> someone and want to be loved in return, I know they're not talking

> about love. They're talking about something else. " Byron

>

[Guest guest]

I listened to a recent tape of s where she said the Work will never work if

we use it to create the person we want to be. It will only work if we examine

what the truth is. Is this what you are referring to?

Wayne

lovetheworkofbk wrote:

After doing the Work for awhile it becomes very easy to anticipate

what the " correct " answers should be. My clever little ego, can

complete worksheet after worksheet with all the proper responses,

and I am left wondering why I am not feeling less stressful at the

end of it all. The problem is not the Work it's just that I have not

asked a genuine question. But what is a genuine question? For me a

genuine question is one where I do not have a preprepared acceptable

answer already waiting in the wings so to speak. It's the kind of

question a child often asks, because they really have no idea what

the correct answer is. Unfortunately as we grow older and gain more

knowledge, our genuine questions become fewer and fewer because most

times we are sure we already know the correct answer.

often asks us to ask one of the four questions and then wait.

Waiting is a key characteristic of a genuine question, because if

you REALLY don't know the answer what can you do but wait! However,

most times we have no need to wait because the " I know " mind is

always quick to supply a superficial learnt answer. The trick is not

be so accepting of our ego's response and go back to waiting for a

genuine answer to arise from the love within. It's often not easy to

wait, especially if you are sure that you are right!

A high level of suffering can also be a great motivator for asking a

genuine question, when the pain of being right becomes too much we

are forced to our knees and a heartfelt question is asked for which

the standard ego response is no longer acceptable.

Just some thoughts on this beautiful day

" Love is what you are already. Love doesn't seek anything. It's

already complete. It doesn't want, doesn't need, has no shoulds. It

already has everything it wants, it already is everything it wants,

just the way it wants it. So when I hear people say that they love

someone and want to be loved in return, I know they're not talking

about love. They're talking about something else. " Byron

Wayne Hutchison

PO Box 2249

Cnberra ACT 2601

Tel 61 2 6241 6888

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[Guest guest]

The problem is not the Work it's just that I have not

> asked a genuine question. But what is a genuine question? For me a

> genuine question is one where I do not have a preprepared acceptable

> answer already waiting in the wings so to speak.

Hi lovetheworkofbk,

As I understand it the work is about inquiring a stressful belief and

not asking a genuine question. However I can relate to not having a

genuine stressful belief (sometimes). Or that I make a quickscan to

the turnaround to see if the outcome is not too shocking before I

start investigating. I work the best with underlying beliefs the

facilitator found after doing the work with me and of which I was not

aware before doing the work.

Well, having said this, if you do have a genuine question I can

recommend an excellent Tarot reader in this group. She is from Israel

and reads angel cards too. My guess is that she will be more than

happy to serve you ;-)

Have a beautiful day!

.

" I don't let go of concepts—I question them. Then they let go of me. "

Byron

[Guest guest]

>

> Love

>

> I wish I could hear my " heart mind " too

> And all you recommend is to wait

> Before I answer the questions???

>

> Love you, Tami

>

Sweet Tami,

Yes, just wait. Wait until you have heard all the " correct " answers,

all the answers you have learnt from the books, from me, Steve and

even !

When all the " correct " answers have passed by, start to looking for

something deeper, something small and unnoticed. Something dear to

your heart, but long forgotten in the rush of the day to day mind.

The love you are looking for has always been there simply waiting

for acknowledgement. She has always spoken to you but you have been

too busy to listen. I leave you safe in her hands, knowing that she

can show you the truth you have long been seeking.

Have a beautiful day

" There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

Byron

[Guest guest]

Love

I wish I could hear my " heart mind " too

And all you recommend is to wait

Before I answer the questions???

Love you, Tami

-- Re: Asking a genuine question.

>

> I listened to a recent tape of s where she said the Work will

never work if we use it to create the person we want to be. It will

only work if we examine what the truth is. Is this what you are

referring to?

>

Hi Wayne,

Yes, it is about finding the truth. Asking a genuine question from the

Work allows a space in which the truth can arise from what calls

the " heart mind " . I also know when I hear an answer from the heart

because it touches and moves me, which a quick intellectual response

from my head does not. As often says " the Work is meditation " .

By this I believe she means that we need to sit and wait for something

deeper from our heart to arise, rather than making the Work some quick

five minute intellectual exercise.

Have a beautiful day

" For the personality, love is nothing more than agreement. If I agree

with you, you love me. And the minute I don't agree with you, the

minute I question one of your sacred beliefs, I become your enemy; you

divorce me in your mind. Then you start looking for all the reasons

why you're right, and you stay focused outside yourself. When you're

focused outside and believe that your problem is caused by someone

else, rather than by your attachment to the story you're believing in

the moment, then you are your own victim, and the situation appears to

be hopeless. " Byron

[Guest guest]

I think he meant the yellow card questions:

Let me refresh your memory:

Is it true?

Can you know for sure that it is true?

How do you react when you believe that thought?

Who would you be without the thought?

Welcome to the work, !

Always a pleasure, T

-- Re: Re: Asking a genuine question.

....... Original Message .......

On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 00:12:18 -0000 " lovetheworkofbk "

wrote:

In my

>experience there are two ways of making that inquiry i.e. using

>genuine questioning or using a superficial intellectual questioning.

Hi lovetheworkofbk,

Ok, so you use two kinds of questioning. I guess you mean by ' genuine

questioning' that you use the questions of the yellow card or the

questions and subquestions on the facilitation guide?

As far as I know there are no other questions which are used by the work.

' Superficial intellectual questioning' or questions which are not on the

yellow card or facilitation guide do not belong to The Work or they are

your interpretation of the work and I guess that's why ' the work' doesn't

work because you are already out of inquiry then.

Just my two cents.

Have a terrific day!

.

" Death is a concept "

Byron

" Life is a concept "

Byron

[Guest guest]

Thank you. I too experience it this way sometimes.

I seem to get the most when it's the most difficult. ANd it's

probably the most difficult with the things I cling to the most.

According to A Course in Miracles, there is no degree of difficulty

in miracles (miracle=correction of thinking).

And sometimes I've filled out a worksheet, get about halfway through,

then lose interest. I save it, cuz I sense I'm not really done with

it, but find I don't go back to that worksheet, though might write

another one on the same subject.

Fight/flight maybe.

Again, thanks for bringing up something I've been adverse to being

open about.

>

>

> After doing the Work for awhile it becomes very easy to anticipate

> what the " correct " answers should be. My clever little ego, can

> complete worksheet after worksheet with all the proper responses,

> and I am left wondering why I am not feeling less stressful at the

> end of it all. The problem is not the Work it's just that I have

not

> asked a genuine question. But what is a genuine question? For me a

> genuine question is one where I do not have a preprepared

acceptable

> answer already waiting in the wings so to speak. It's the kind of

> question a child often asks, because they really have no idea what

> the correct answer is. Unfortunately as we grow older and gain more

> knowledge, our genuine questions become fewer and fewer because

most

> times we are sure we already know the correct answer.

> often asks us to ask one of the four questions and then wait.

> Waiting is a key characteristic of a genuine question, because if

> you REALLY don't know the answer what can you do but wait! However,

> most times we have no need to wait because the " I know " mind is

> always quick to supply a superficial learnt answer. The trick is

not

> be so accepting of our ego's response and go back to waiting for a

> genuine answer to arise from the love within. It's often not easy

to

> wait, especially if you are sure that you are right!

> A high level of suffering can also be a great motivator for asking

a

> genuine question, when the pain of being right becomes too much we

> are forced to our knees and a heartfelt question is asked for which

> the standard ego response is no longer acceptable.

>

> Just some thoughts on this beautiful day

>

>

> " Love is what you are already. Love doesn't seek anything. It's

> already complete. It doesn't want, doesn't need, has no shoulds. It

> already has everything it wants, it already is everything it wants,

> just the way it wants it. So when I hear people say that they love

> someone and want to be loved in return, I know they're not talking

> about love. They're talking about something else. " Byron

>

[Guest guest]

>

> In the school I only had 1 dear experience

> As I did the work with one stuff member

> And I was trying to answer question 4

> My eyes where closed, and my mind was 100% sure

> That the stressful thought ( " I am a failure " ) was true.

> And she told me: go deeper, go deeper!

> I cried and cried for 10 minutes with no answer

> And than I reached a place where I was filled with love

> And started to cry, this time out of joy

> It was amazing!

>

> Love, if every time I did the work

> I would end up at this place

> I would do the work all day long.

>

> It happened only once,

>

Hi Tami,

Thank you for sharing this beautiful experience. Sometimes you can

be way off topic (my story) but when you are on topic and share your

experience with the Work it just totally blows me away. Your story

captures exactly the point I was trying to make, but perhaps more

eloquently than I could have said it. Tami I had a story that the

Work was not for you, and it appears that I was wrong. I love it

when that happens, because I learn to listen more to my heart and

not my head. Thanks for being such a wonderful teacher of love.

Have a beautiful day

" Nothing can cost you someone you love. The only thing that can cost

you your husband is if you believe a thought. That's how you move

away from him. That's how the marriage ends. You are one with your

husband until you believe the thought that he should look a certain

way, he should give you something, he should be something other than

what he is. That's how you divorce him. Right then and there you

have lost your marriage. " Byron

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

I haven't seen an answer to your question, so here is mine:

it is not about the words.

It's about the intention.

And it's not about the questions.

It's about the place the answers come from.

Love,

Am 09.08.2006 um 13:26 schrieb van Heijst:

>> In my

>> experience there are two ways of making that inquiry i.e. using

>> genuine questioning or using a superficial intellectual questioning.

> Ok, so you use two kinds of questioning. I guess you mean by ' genuine

> questioning' that you use the questions of the yellow card or the

> questions and subquestions on the facilitation guide?

> As far as I know there are no other questions which are used by the

> work.

> ' Superficial intellectual questioning' or questions which are not

> on the

> yellow card or facilitation guide do not belong to The Work or they

> are

> your interpretation of the work and I guess that's why ' the work'

> doesn't

> work because you are already out of inquiry then.

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[Guest guest]

>

> Dear ,

>

> I haven't seen an answer to your question, so here is mine:

>

> it is not about the words.

> It's about the intention.

>

> And it's not about the questions.

> It's about the place the answers come from.

>

> Love,

>

Dear ,

I agree with you and changing the questions from the yellow card or

facilitation guide might imply other intentions/motives from the

facilitator than peace.

Some advice givers or therapists are not used to the role of

facilitator and seek where they can to bend the questions into their

own shape. That's why, as I understood it, stressed (excusez

le mot) that facilitators do not change/add questions of themselves,

because then it becomes their work and not their client's.

Love,

.

[Guest guest]

Tami.. this is why i dont think the work works for me..

i end up still with the I know mind..

and dont go inside to the heart.. i seem to be stuck in my mind. a lot..

Good to know anyway.

I feel like all the self help i do i should be happier.. and im not.

I should be depressed seems to be where i am.

I just got back from visiting my mom and was in severe depression.

i still have the thought i am a failure and reading eckarts book on

the pain body .. it wants to survive and does not want to be happier

or get better.. and that seems to be where i am .

oh well..

Im glad to know you got out of that failure thought.. i see you as a

success.

love roslyn

-- In Loving-what-is , Tami wrote:

>

> Dear love

>

> Thank you so much for your reply to me

>

> When I do the work

> And the " I know mind " take over as I ask the questions

> That is when I say: " the work doesn't work for me "

> Cause I end up " knowing " the thoughts that made me suffer in the

first place

>

>

>

> The only hope I have, as I ask question 4

> Is the small doubt that rises (from question 2)

> And allow a little space in the mind's " straitjacket "

>

> In the school I only had 1 dear experience

> As I did the work with one stuff member

> And I was trying to answer question 4

> My eyes where closed, and my mind was 100% sure

> That the stressful thought ( " I am a failure " ) was true.

> And she told me: go deeper, go deeper!

> I cried and cried for 10 minutes with no answer

> And than I reached a place where I was filled with love

> And started to cry, this time out of joy

> It was amazing!

>

> Love, if every time I did the work

> I would end up at this place

> I would do the work all day long.

>

> It happened only once,

>

> But thank you for the tip to wait.

>

> I am grateful to have you in this group,

> Tami

>

> -- Re: Asking a genuine question.

>

>

> >

> > Love

> >

> > I wish I could hear my " heart mind " too

> > And all you recommend is to wait

> > Before I answer the questions???

> >

> > Love you, Tami

> >

>

> Sweet Tami,

>

> Yes, just wait. Wait until you have heard all the " correct " answers,

> all the answers you have learnt from the books, from me, Steve and

> even !

>

> When all the " correct " answers have passed by, start to looking for

> something deeper, something small and unnoticed. Something dear to

> your heart, but long forgotten in the rush of the day to day mind.

> The love you are looking for has always been there simply waiting

> for acknowledgement. She has always spoken to you but you have been

> too busy to listen. I leave you safe in her hands, knowing that she

> can show you the truth you have long been seeking.

>

> Have a beautiful day

>

> " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

> Byron

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Which question isn't as important as wether you answer with the mind

or heart..

isnt that true?

ros

> >In my

> >>experience there are two ways of making that inquiry i.e. using

> >>genuine questioning or using a superficial intellectual questioning.

> >

> >Hi lovetheworkofbk,

> >

> >Ok, so you use two kinds of questioning. I guess you mean by ' genuine

> >questioning' that you use the questions of the yellow card or the

> >questions and subquestions on the facilitation guide?

> >As far as I know there are no other questions which are used by the

work.

> >' Superficial intellectual questioning' or questions which are not

on the

> >yellow card or facilitation guide do not belong to The Work or they

are

> >your interpretation of the work and I guess that's why ' the work'

doesn't

> >work because you are already out of inquiry then.

> >

> >Just my two cents.

> >

> >Have a terrific day!

> >

> >.

> >

> > " Death is a concept "

> >Byron

> >

> > " Life is a concept "

> >Byron

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >