Re: 911:: Trainee's milestone

June 17, 2000

and the crowd goes wild...a standing " O " for the no longer new kid......

June 17, 2000

Kind of an unspoken policy in our department, traffic pursuit communication

is repeated, foot pursuit isn't. We repeat foot pursuit traffic only when

requested because the officers usually are giving directions because

locations change so rapidly and we don't want to talk over any of their

traffic.

Lyn

magik@...

> Once the troops are communicating with each other.. sometimes the

> best thing the dispatcher can do is.... shut up....

>

> Weintraut

June 18, 2000

Fantastic! Give her a pat on the back all the way from Indiana...

The first pursuit is always a big hurdle.

Now... I'll stir the pot a little...

Please.. do not mistake me here... I think ridealongs are great.... for many

many reasons... but not for the one mentioned here.

>She specifically wants to see the area where this pursuit occurred; she said

that's what bothered her more than anything: she had no mental picture of that

highway or those cross streets or the alternate routes the pursuit could have

taken. She wanted to KNOW it, not just look at it on a map.<

's center... like mine is a Highway Patrol/State Police area... I'm sure

's is a large geographical area... Mine covers 6 rural counties.. very

large...

I just don't see that ridealongs help here... a map will do...

What is important is...

>She repeated everything, asked for repeats when the traffic was garbled,

relayed everything pertinent<

That's all we can do as dispatchers... the road troops will know the

cross streets.. the alternate routes... If we " calm " the road troop

down by remaining calm ourselves...

>The volume of her voice raised a bit (not the tone, just the volume)<

" parrot " the information correctly... the pursuit will take care of itself...

Once the troops are communicating with each other.. sometimes the

best thing the dispatcher can do is.... shut up....

Weintraut

June 18, 2000

In a message dated 6/18/00 12:46:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

COURNOYERB@... writes:

<< For the sake of discussion, each situation is different, there are times

when each transmission needs to be repeated and there are " sit back and

type " times. >>

There are several pros and cons to repeating back each transmission since

each situation is different. One of the pros is if the pursuing unit is

caught up in the chase he may inadvertently say southbound when he means

northbound, etc. By repeating it back he can correct himself. In the case

of our agency, all our units have digital and analog capabilities on their

radios. Most of our neighboring agencies don't. If the officer is on

digital when the pursuit starts and he enters one of these jurisdictions,

those officers will not be able to hear any of his transmissions. We don't

expect him to take the time or attention to switch back to analog, so by

repeating transmissions the neighboring jurisdiction can hear and help back

up the unit.

Northern KY area

June 18, 2000

>Some dispatchers insist on repeating every transmission during a pursuit.

When it's over and you ask them why, the reply is " because the s.o.p. says

to " . <

Then the SOP needs changed...have someone with a little dispatch

experience help write it...

Repeating every transmission during a pursuit is not only silly... it could

be dangerous...

Air time if valuable... when your officer really needs help.. do you want

to be " chattering " useless information?

Thanks Bob...

I am a great believer that many times... less is better...

Weintraut

June 18, 2000

wrote:

>Some dispatchers insist on repeating every transmission during a pursuit.

When it's over and you ask them why, the reply is " because the s.o.p. says

to " . <

Then the SOP needs changed...have someone with a little dispatch

experience help write it...

Repeating every transmission during a pursuit is not only silly... it could

be dangerous...

Air time if valuable... when your officer really needs help.. do you want

to be " chattering " useless information?

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By repeating what is said you are confirming what the officer has told you

and making sure all those listening hears the confirmation. This way you are

making sure what you think was said was said. This protects the dispatcher

and the officer from any confusion. When an officer is in pursuit he is

usually stressing and yelling at the mic while trying to watch everything

around him and drive the vehicle. It is reassuring to him to know you heard

what he said and you are still there with him. Also who looks like the dummy

if you give back the wrong registration or dl information because you did

not repeat (confirm and acknowledge) the information given by the officer.

Just my thoughts.

Doug in Leavenworth

June 18, 2000

>. It is reassuring to him to know you heard

what he said and you are still there with him. Also who looks like the dummy

if you give back the wrong registration or dl information because you did

not repeat (confirm and acknowledge) the information given by the officer.

Just my thoughts.

Doug in Leavenworth <<

For the sake of discussion, each situation is different, there are times

when each transmission needs to be repeated and there are " sit back and

type " times. Here we have a decent repeater system so most radio traffic is

readable and mobile override so if we are talking and a field unit talks the

field unit blocks our transmission and his goes out over us. Yes, I always

repeat the license/desc, usually several times throughout because the napkin

the responding units wrote it on has flown out the window miles back. I also

throw the time in here and there. Sorry, didn't mean to sound like I took a

nap till it was over...:-)

Bob in Tacoma

Sometimes I wonder what I was thinking when I read what I wrote...

June 18, 2000

----- Original Message -----

>Some dispatchers insist on repeating every transmission during a pursuit.

When it's over and you ask them why, the reply is " because the s.o.p. says

to " . <

>>Repeating every transmission during a pursuit is not only silly... it

could

be dangerous...<<

In the area where I dispatch, we have NO repeaters for our county

frequencies and very few squad cars running around out there. If one of my

Deputies starts a pursuit, his next closest backup may be 20 miles away, and

that squad isn't gonna be able to hear where the pursuit is headed, what

direction...nothing...hence, I parrot. We also work pursuits with our State

Troopers. Once we get multiple agencies in on a pursuit, we have trouble

figuring out which frequency everyone can copy on. For example, if my car

starts a pursuit and it heads west, they MUST use Mutual Aid...if it goes

east, they must use LEA.... LEA does have repeaters, however Mut Aid does

not... And......when you get a Deputy who MIGHT have a chase about once a

year (if he's lucky to have one THAT often), he's mighty excited and can't

think about what frequency he wants to talk on...

Gawd I love my little department in the middle of corn-land where bovines

are chased more frequently than cars!

Jenni

www. Jen911.com

ICQ: 10336819

June 19, 2000

WAY TO GO!!!!!

Kudos to and the new fledgling =)

Crissy

San Joaquin County Sheriff Dispatch

(Northern California)

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June 19, 2000

This was my thought on repeating pursuit directions. (You thief, Doug!)

It was to verify and repeat so all officers can hear. If one officer

couldn't

hear the pursuing officer because he was cussing a slowpoke to get out of

his way,

then he would hear it again when the dispatcher repeated it. We are not the

only

ones who have to multitask while these calls are going on.

Now there ARE times in which the Sergeant has repeated the traffic himself.

This usually

involved dispatchers who " weren't as well....trained " as they should have

been.

(Yes, we have had some problem children) No matter how many times you do

the scenario,

they would still have problems. For others, it would be their first

pursuit - ever - even hearing

a pursuit (we don't have that many). Normally, by the time you get in the

rhythym of repeating

everything, the pursuit is over. *pout*

annette hallmark

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