Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 I don't understand, Roslyn, why are you going to these churches, or not, as it happens? I would just leave them be, not even consider going. Are you hoping to find something there? And if so, what? Eva > > it wasnt just stocks.. .. she used the churches money for her own > personal use.. And the financial scandal involved 20 million dollars. > > WEll i guess katie would say money isnt wasted.. it went > somewhere.. > or something like that.. > > Can we really trust all these secret speakers.. ??? > > The old unity minister here is now out giving lectures on the Secret > > and trying to make a bunch of money.. > > i guess i should do the work on its wrong to make money off of > religion.. > > i just think im right on this one.. i know mind.. > i know i know.. > > do the crooked ones finally meet their end.?. i guess im in gods > business.. and others.. > > rh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Dear Roslyn, Am 20.05.2007 um 05:04 schrieb mrcitrus6: > it wasnt just stocks.. .. she used the churches money for her own > personal use.. And the financial scandal involved 20 million dollars. > > WEll i guess katie would say money isnt wasted.. it went > somewhere.. or something like that.. Why do you STILL care what other would say? > Can we really trust all these secret speakers.. ??? NO! How many more proofs do you need? :-)) " secret speakers should be trustworthy. " Do a work on that - if you like. But I hear from you that they are not. And you think that is a bad thing. For my experience, that means that I believe it should be different. And that means I argue with what is. And that means: it's time to do the work! (by the way: I never found ANY use in doing works like " secret speakers ARE trustworthy " . The work is NOT an oracle that tells me what is true and what not. And it doesn NOT help to distinguish right from wrong, reality from the dream, etc.) > The old unity minister here is now out giving lectures on the Secret > > and trying to make a bunch of money.. Good. That's his JOB! That's what I learn from you. It's his job, because that's what he does. And I hear from you he's good at it. Isn't he? He even makes money out of stuff you thing one shouldn't make money out of! ;-) > i guess i should do the work on its wrong to make money off of > religion.. you " guess " ?? No, you shouldn't. Not until you do. You may want to, but you don't have to. And if you don't do it, it's because you don't want it. And that is, because there's something you hold dearer onto than reality. > i just think im right on this one.. i know mind.. > i know i know.. > do the crooked ones finally meet their end.?. i guess im in gods > business.. and others.. Well, only if you think they should do what you think they are not doing. And you can be in other's buisness as much as you wish. I am not, because I know it hurts when I do. And sometimes I am in other's buisness, anyway. Well, you know how to take care of it. > rh Love, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Ros, I love this. I had to ask myself, " Does the crooked Me finally meet her end? " Gosh I hope so... Love, Carol > > it wasnt just stocks.. .. she used the churches money for her own > personal use.. And the financial scandal involved 20 million dollars. > > WEll i guess katie would say money isnt wasted.. it went > somewhere.. > or something like that.. > > Can we really trust all these secret speakers.. ??? > > The old unity minister here is now out giving lectures on the Secret > > and trying to make a bunch of money.. > > i guess i should do the work on its wrong to make money off of > religion.. > > i just think im right on this one.. i know mind.. > i know i know.. > > do the crooked ones finally meet their end.?. i guess im in gods > business.. and others.. > > rh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 you mean no one stays crooked.. ???? they all go straight in the end.. or broke.. I heard on NPR the govt spent millions of dollars to a contractor to build 150 health care facilities in Iraq.. so far they have built 6 and quit..approximately due to the fighting.. etc.. there goes our tax payer dollars.. They say it is outrageous.. the waste paid contractors in iraq.. oh well.. now if we hadnt bombed the country to begin with we wouldnt have such a hard time rebuilding.. it doesnt take a rocket scientist..well no it does to make the rocket never mind.. I guess it gives someone some thing to do.. to pass the time.. oh well, rh bhe rh > > > > it wasnt just stocks.. .. she used the churches money for her own > > personal use.. And the financial scandal involved 20 million dollars. > > > > WEll i guess katie would say money isnt wasted.. it went > > somewhere.. > > or something like that.. > > > > Can we really trust all these secret speakers.. ??? > > > > The old unity minister here is now out giving lectures on the Secret > > > > and trying to make a bunch of money.. > > > > i guess i should do the work on its wrong to make money off of > > religion.. > > > > i just think im right on this one.. i know mind.. > > i know i know.. > > > > do the crooked ones finally meet their end.?. i guess im in gods > > business.. and others.. > > > > rh > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Random Thoughts... With the war in Iraq and all this gov't spending, it makes me think of this country's beginnings and what we did to a whole nation of people that welcomed the pilgrims. Is America afraid that if we maintain peaceful relations that we, by karmic payback, will meet the same fate of the Native Americans? War can kill peace, but only for as long as it has enough energy to do so... Peace needs no energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 i still care what others would say because i think katie is clearer ministers and secret speakers should be trustworthy.. is it true.. no.. absolutely can i know their path or others no how do i react.. I dont trust ministers. especially if they like to give talks on money.. im disappointed because i held new thought ministers on a higher level then the regular born again variety. i think im superior and they are especially bad to sort of use God.. do i use god? well i would like to.. without the thought.. i would just be ok if people lost money.. well they will learn.. i wouldnt put new age new thought people up as being above greed. i wouldnt feel superior.. or inferior. People are people and no matter what someone does as a profession they may mess up and its ok. to con people out of their lifes savings.. well maybe that is their only path to god.. poverty ministers should be con artists when they are.. I suppose those people learned something. She would ask people to loan the church money and that they would be repaid with interest.. and many didnt get any money at all.. but actally they were as greedy as she was if they thought they could make money.. they wanted to make money off of God as well.. as she did.. ministers should not be trustworthy.. when they arent. i should be trustworthy.. i should not lie.. well thats more true.. since im the only one that can live it. for me. I guess i just thought new thought people were more trustworthy than other ministers and this was only one new thought minister although the unity minister here also left due to financial problems.. he is the one who first told me about katie.. I guess you cant judge a group by a couple people.. either.. or even judge them.. maybe those people needed the experience of being conned.. apparently they did.. thanks rh -- In Loving-what-is , wrote: > > Dear Roslyn, > > Am 20.05.2007 um 05:04 schrieb mrcitrus6: > > > it wasnt just stocks.. .. she used the churches money for her own > > personal use.. And the financial scandal involved 20 million dollars. > > > > WEll i guess katie would say money isnt wasted.. it went > > somewhere.. or something like that.. > Why do you STILL care what other would say? > > > Can we really trust all these secret speakers.. ??? > NO! How many more proofs do you need? :-)) > " secret speakers should be trustworthy. " Do a work on that - if you > like. But I hear from you that they are not. And you think that is a > bad thing. For my experience, that means that I believe it should be > different. And that means I argue with what is. And that means: it's > time to do the work! > (by the way: I never found ANY use in doing works like " secret > speakers ARE trustworthy " . The work is NOT an oracle that tells me > what is true and what not. And it doesn NOT help to distinguish right > from wrong, reality from the dream, etc.) > > > > The old unity minister here is now out giving lectures on the Secret > > > > and trying to make a bunch of money.. > Good. That's his JOB! That's what I learn from you. It's his job, > because that's what he does. And I hear from you he's good at it. > Isn't he? He even makes money out of stuff you thing one shouldn't > make money out of! ;-) > > > i guess i should do the work on its wrong to make money off of > > religion.. > you " guess " ?? > No, you shouldn't. Not until you do. You may want to, but you don't > have to. And if you don't do it, it's because you don't want it. And > that is, because there's something you hold dearer onto than reality. > > > i just think im right on this one.. i know mind.. > > i know i know.. > > > do the crooked ones finally meet their end.?. i guess im in gods > > business.. and others.. > Well, only if you think they should do what you think they are not > doing. > > And you can be in other's buisness as much as you wish. > > I am not, because I know it hurts when I do. And sometimes I am in > other's buisness, anyway. > > Well, you know how to take care of it. > > > rh > Love, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 EVa.. good question.. I go to churches just to be in a group and a place to learn.. - I know people say we dont need to learn anything.. but i like to think im getting something out of it.. Plus i have met a few friends in church.. But the one with the financial difficulty was in oregon.. It was one of the largest new age churches run by MAry Manin morrisey.. and i guess it just blew my stable datum that new age ministers would not mess up like that.. I had never been to that church.. I just thought ministers should be trustworthy.. maybe i think she shouldnt take money.. because i work as a care giver and i never really cared for my client.. much.. although i did some what.. . Anyway i am losing her she is going into a nursing home. bummer as soon as i saw the positives in working there the job is ending.. I did the work on ministers shouldnt take money.. and got they should take money.. and waste it.. maybe to show people they shouldnt be materialistic.. She sort of did what peace pilgrim did.. peace pilgrim lived with little to no money and took peoples money and didnt pay them back.. maybe to serve as a good bad example... or something along that line.. i guess im not entirely trustworthy.. i used to think i was.. i tend to believe stories and lie to myself.. also i had this idea new age miniters were better.. then others.. guess not.. maybe she is serving as a bad example maybe i do sometimes.. thanks, roslyn -- In Loving-what-is , " Eva Lobach " wrote: > > I don't understand, Roslyn, why are you going to these churches, or > not, as it happens? I would just leave them be, not even consider going. > Are you hoping to find something there? And if so, what? > > Eva > > > > > > it wasnt just stocks.. .. she used the churches money for her own > > personal use.. And the financial scandal involved 20 million dollars. > > > > WEll i guess katie would say money isnt wasted.. it went > > somewhere.. > > or something like that.. > > > > Can we really trust all these secret speakers.. ??? > > > > The old unity minister here is now out giving lectures on the Secret > > > > and trying to make a bunch o thf money.. > > > > i guess i should do the work on its wrong to make money off of > > religion.. > > > > i just think im right on this one.. i know mind.. > > i know i know.. > > > > do the crooked ones finally meet their end.?. i guess im in gods > > business.. and others.. > > > > rh > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 EVA.. another reason is the creative living church i go to is very up beat and the music is good.. and self realization is very peaceful and quiet so i go to both.. sometimes every other sunday. love, roslyn.. > > > > it wasnt just stocks.. .. she used the churches money for her own > > personal use.. And the financial scandal involved 20 million dollars. > > > > WEll i guess katie would say money isnt wasted.. it went > > somewhere.. > > or something like that.. > > > > Can we really trust all these secret speakers.. ??? > > > > The old unity minister here is now out giving lectures on the Secret > > > > and trying to make a bunch of money.. > > > > i guess i should do the work on its wrong to make money off of > > religion.. > > > > i just think im right on this one.. i know mind.. > > i know i know.. > > > > do the crooked ones finally meet their end.?. i guess im in gods > > business.. and others.. > > > > rh > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 if there was peace.. the military might not have job security and all the defense companies would go out of business.. and im sure the oil industry has some motive.. maybe the indians that died reincarnated on a more advanced planet than this one.. I think they had it more together.. but i guess thats a story. twyman says peace is present now..within so it doenst need to be sought in this external world.. still it would be nice.. it seems to me.. rh -- In Loving-what-is , " Hypegia Phoebe " wrote: > > Random Thoughts... > > With the war in Iraq and all this gov't spending, it makes me think of > this country's beginnings and what we did to a whole nation of people > that welcomed the pilgrims. > > Is America afraid that if we maintain peaceful relations that we, by > karmic payback, will meet the same fate of the Native Americans? > > War can kill peace, but only for as long as it has enough energy to do > so... Peace needs no energy. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Dear Roslyn, > i still care what others would say because i think katie > is clearer And what does THAT mean? To you? She may be older, smaller, faster.... What do YOU have to say? LISTEN to that! > ministers and secret speakers should be trustworthy.. > > is it true.. no.. absolutely can i know their path or others no Yes, and go further: who gives a .... about their path. How would YOUR life be better if secret speakers where trustworthy? Does this include ALL secret speakers? Or just some you hold a certain attitude towards? What about that attitude? And if you so want: who's life would be better if secret speakers were trustworthy? Can you find ONE person? ONE being? Even for a moment? And I learned from you: it's a LIE they should be, because YOU have found out: they are not! > how do i react.. I dont trust ministers. Well, then you have your lesson learned. > especially if they like to give talks on money.. right. And you shouldn't be trusting them! That's SO obvious! It happens over and over! > im disappointed because i held > new thought ministers on a higher level then the regular born > again variety. And how do you hold yourself, when you think they should be trustworthy, although you obviously know they are not? Trying to make the world a better place to live in? By forming it to YOUR standards? > i think im superior and they are especially bad to sort of use God.. Good find! > do i use god? well i would like to.. Well, don't you try? When you demand trustworthyness from them? You are asking for something you KNOW they can't give you. You had SO many proofs. Don't you want God to strike them with trustwothyness, for YOUR comfort? > without the thought.. i would just be ok if people lost money.. Ok, so who do you know lost money? Didn't they get anything for it? What was the deal? > well they will learn.. OR NOT! Their business! > i wouldnt put new age new thought people > up as being above greed. Who's greedy? They want something, they get it... where's the greed part? > i wouldnt feel superior.. or inferior. And how does that feel? > People are people and no matter what someone does as a profession > they may mess up and its ok. to con people out of their lifes > savings.. well maybe that is their only path to god.. poverty C'mon. No one needs ministers to become poor. > ministers should be con artists when they are.. > > I suppose those people learned something. WHO CARES?? And whatever you answer: Is ist true? > She would ask people to loan the church money and that they > would be repaid with interest.. and many didnt get any > money at all.. but actally they were as greedy as she was > if they thought they could make money.. they wanted to make money off > of God as well.. as she did.. Do you realize how your mind wanders, and wanders and keeps you from realizing what you want? > ministers should not be trustworthy.. when they arent. > > i should be trustworthy.. Are you? when you believe the thought they should be trustworthy, ALTHOUGH reality teaches you different? > i should not lie.. well thats more true.. since im the only one > that can live it. for me. And whom are you lying to, constantly? > I guess i just thought new thought people were more trustworthy > than other ministers and this was only one new thought minister > although the unity minister here also left due to financial problems.. > he is the one who first told me about katie.. You " GUESS " ?? Sweethart, we're not doing any guessing here, we are only looking at facts. We are doing the work!! > I guess you cant judge a group by a couple people.. either.. again guessing... > or even judge them.. maybe those people needed the experience of being > conned.. apparently they did.. When did you ever decide to judge? Doesn't it just ... come to you? Did you ever consider their experience may have looked different for these people, then it has for YOU? Take good care, > > > > > > > > > -- In Loving-what-is , wrote: >> >> Dear Roslyn, >> >> Am 20.05.2007 um 05:04 schrieb mrcitrus6: >> >>> it wasnt just stocks.. .. she used the churches money for her own >>> personal use.. And the financial scandal involved 20 million >>> dollars. >>> >>> WEll i guess katie would say money isnt wasted.. it went >>> somewhere.. or something like that.. >> Why do you STILL care what other would say? >> >>> Can we really trust all these secret speakers.. ??? >> NO! How many more proofs do you need? :-)) >> " secret speakers should be trustworthy. " Do a work on that - if you >> like. But I hear from you that they are not. And you think that is a >> bad thing. For my experience, that means that I believe it should be >> different. And that means I argue with what is. And that means: it's >> time to do the work! >> (by the way: I never found ANY use in doing works like " secret >> speakers ARE trustworthy " . The work is NOT an oracle that tells me >> what is true and what not. And it doesn NOT help to distinguish right >> from wrong, reality from the dream, etc.) >> >> >>> The old unity minister here is now out giving lectures on the Secret >>> >>> and trying to make a bunch of money.. >> Good. That's his JOB! That's what I learn from you. It's his job, >> because that's what he does. And I hear from you he's good at it. >> Isn't he? He even makes money out of stuff you thing one shouldn't >> make money out of! ;-) >> >>> i guess i should do the work on its wrong to make money off of >>> religion.. >> you " guess " ?? >> No, you shouldn't. Not until you do. You may want to, but you don't >> have to. And if you don't do it, it's because you don't want it. And >> that is, because there's something you hold dearer onto than reality. >> >>> i just think im right on this one.. i know mind.. >>> i know i know.. >> >>> do the crooked ones finally meet their end.?. i guess im in gods >>> business.. and others.. >> Well, only if you think they should do what you think they are not >> doing. >> >> And you can be in other's buisness as much as you wish. >> >> I am not, because I know it hurts when I do. And sometimes I am in >> other's buisness, anyway. >> >> Well, you know how to take care of it. >> >>> rh >> Love, >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 thanks alexander.. -i tried to answer this ... > i still care what others would say because i think katie > > is clearer > And what does THAT mean? To you? > She may be older, smaller, faster.... > > What do YOU have to say? LISTEN to that! .........Well im not very good about going within and listening .. i guess thats why i read so much. > > > ministers and secret speakers should be trustworthy.. > > > > is it true.. no.. absolutely can i know their path or others no > Yes, and go further: who gives a .... about their path. How would > YOUR life be better if secret speakers where trustworthy? Does this > include ALL secret speakers? Or just some you hold a certain attitude > towards? What about that attitude? ............how would my life be better.. i would think that when people get to a certain educational level they can be trusted . If a person has written three books..and has a church of about 5000 members they are trustworthy .. and the truth is you cant judge by the outer what a persons character is like. I can only trust myself.. to tell me whats right for me.. not to listen to any minister. And why should i care about their path.. I guess i want to feel superior.. > And if you so want: who's life would be better if secret speakers > were trustworthy? Can you find ONE person? ONE being? Even for a moment? ..........It would seem people who lost moeny would be better off if they were trustworthy.. but then as you said that would be arguing wtih reality and apparently it was part of their path to lose their money. > > And I learned from you: it's a LIE they should be, because YOU have > found out: they are not! > > > > how do i react.. I dont trust ministers. > Well, then you have your lesson learned. > > > especially if they like to give talks on money.. > right. And you shouldn't be trusting them! That's SO obvious! It > happens over and over! > > > im disappointed because i held > > new thought ministers on a higher level then the regular born > > again variety. > And how do you hold yourself, when you think they should be > trustworthy, although you obviously know they are not? > > Trying to make the world a better place to live in? By forming it to > YOUR standards? ...........Well I had this idea that those people were some how better.. and apparently so did people who lost their money.. It was a lie. > > > > i think im superior and they are especially bad to sort of use God.. > Good find! > > > do i use god? well i would like to.. > Well, don't you try? When you demand trustworthyness from them? You > are asking for something you KNOW they can't give you. You had SO > many proofs. > Don't you want God to strike them with trustwothyness, for YOUR comfort? ............Yes i do.. then i could say to other people of the other religions.. see its only those old fashioned religions that have corruption. Well i wouldnt ever say that but think it. And thats a lie I had watched MArJo a movie about faith healers taking money.. and never thought something similar would happen in a new age church. > > > without the thought.. i would just be ok if people lost money.. > Ok, so who do you know lost money? Didn't they get anything for it? > What was the deal? .............they got educated.. i suppose > > > > well they will learn.. > OR NOT! Their business! > > > i wouldnt put new age new thought people > > up as being above greed. > Who's greedy? They want something, they get it... where's the greed > part? > > > i wouldnt feel superior.. or inferior. > And how does that feel? ........ honest.. better > > > People are people and no matter what someone does as a profession > > they may mess up and its ok. to con people out of their lifes > > savings.. well maybe that is their only path to god.. poverty > C'mon. No one needs ministers to become poor. ..............well thats true no one needs ministers to become poor.. but some of these people did.. apparently because some lost a lot. > > > ministers should be con artists when they are.. > > > > I suppose those people learned something. > WHO CARES?? .........well i want to think something good came out of it. > > And whatever you answer: Is ist true? > > > She would ask people to loan the church money and that they > > would be repaid with interest.. and many didnt get any > > money at all.. but actally they were as greedy as she was > > if they thought they could make money.. they wanted to make money off > > of God as well.. as she did.. > Do you realize how your mind wanders, and wanders and keeps you from > realizing what you want? > > > ministers should not be trustworthy.. when they arent. > > > > i should be trustworthy.. > Are you? when you believe the thought they should be trustworthy, > ALTHOUGH reality teaches you different? > > > i should not lie.. well thats more true.. since im the only one > > that can live it. for me. > And whom are you lying to, constantly? ...........I lie to myself that other people are better > > > > I guess i just thought new thought people were more trustworthy > > than other ministers and this was only one new thought minister > > although the unity minister here also left due to financial problems.. > > he is the one who first told me about katie.. > You " GUESS " ?? Sweethart, we're not doing any guessing here, we are > only looking at facts. We are doing the work!! > > > > > I guess you cant judge a group by a couple people.. either.. > again guessing... > > > or even judge them.. maybe those people needed the experience of being > > conned.. apparently they did.. > When did you ever decide to judge? Doesn't it just ... come to you? > > Did you ever consider their experience may have looked different for > these people, then it has for YOU? .............Well yes their experience is different for each individual im sure.. ............My experience has been to no longer put famous new age ministers above.. anyone. I wonder if the fame went to their head. ok ok not my business.. ........now im into new age music.. thanks, love,roslyn > > Take good care, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In Loving-what-is , <olli_26@> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Roslyn, > >> > >> Am 20.05.2007 um 05:04 schrieb mrcitrus6: > >> > >>> it wasnt just stocks.. .. she used the churches money for her own > >>> personal use.. And the financial scandal involved 20 million > >>> dollars. > >>> > >>> WEll i guess katie would say money isnt wasted.. it went > >>> somewhere.. or something like that.. > >> Why do you STILL care what other would say? > >> > >>> Can we really trust all these secret speakers.. ??? > >> NO! How many more proofs do you need? :-)) > >> " secret speakers should be trustworthy. " Do a work on that - if you > >> like. But I hear from you that they are not. And you think that is a > >> bad thing. For my experience, that means that I believe it should be > >> different. And that means I argue with what is. And that means: it's > >> time to do the work! > >> (by the way: I never found ANY use in doing works like " secret > >> speakers ARE trustworthy " . The work is NOT an oracle that tells me > >> what is true and what not. And it doesn NOT help to distinguish right > >> from wrong, reality from the dream, etc.) > >> > >> > >>> The old unity minister here is now out giving lectures on the Secret > >>> > >>> and trying to make a bunch of money.. > >> Good. That's his JOB! That's what I learn from you. It's his job, > >> because that's what he does. And I hear from you he's good at it. > >> Isn't he? He even makes money out of stuff you thing one shouldn't > >> make money out of! ;-) > >> > >>> i guess i should do the work on its wrong to make money off of > >>> religion.. > >> you " guess " ?? > >> No, you shouldn't. Not until you do. You may want to, but you don't > >> have to. And if you don't do it, it's because you don't want it. And > >> that is, because there's something you hold dearer onto than reality. > >> > >>> i just think im right on this one.. i know mind.. > >>> i know i know.. > >> > >>> do the crooked ones finally meet their end.?. i guess im in gods > >>> business.. and others.. > >> Well, only if you think they should do what you think they are not > >> doing. > >> > >> And you can be in other's buisness as much as you wish. > >> > >> I am not, because I know it hurts when I do. And sometimes I am in > >> other's buisness, anyway. > >> > >> Well, you know how to take care of it. > >> > >>> rh > >> Love, > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 Dear Roslyn, Am 27.05.2007 um 06:39 schrieb mrcitrus6: > thanks alexander.. -i tried to answer this ... >>> i still care what others would say because i think katie >>> is clearer >> And what does THAT mean? To you? >> She may be older, smaller, faster.... >> What do YOU have to say? LISTEN to that! > ........Well im not very good about going within and listening .. > i guess thats why i read so much. u-huh. So, by reading much: do you get better at going in? Roslyn, what others say is worthless. Of no value. You learn how to go inside by doing the work. >>> ministers and secret speakers should be trustworthy.. >>> >>> is it true.. no.. absolutely can i know their path or others no >> Yes, and go further: who gives a .... about their path. How would >> YOUR life be better if secret speakers where trustworthy? Does this >> include ALL secret speakers? Or just some you hold a certain attitude >> towards? What about that attitude? > ...........how would my life be better.. i would think that when > people get to a certain educational level they can be trusted . > If a person has written three books..and has a church of about 5000 > members they are trustworthy .. and the truth is you cant judge by > the outer what a persons character is like. > > I can only trust myself.. to tell me whats right for me.. not to > listen to any minister. > And why should i care about their path.. I guess i want to feel > superior.. " I think " , " I guess " ... I'd leave that away. Look: " secret speakers should be trustworthy " - is that true? I hear that you guess it's not, because it may be better for them... etc. That's guessing. Not investigating. You hold onto the thought, because you have proof! You *want* to believe it's true. It holds your world in shape. Loose your world. Loose the moon. Look at your proofs, take them out of the dark into the light. Understand your thoughts. Find one valid reason, how your life would be better in this moment, if your thought was true. Find one valid reason, how ANYONE's life would be better in this moment, if your thought was true. THEN you have an answer to question Number 2. If you don't find any valid reason, you realization takes place. You find that what you thought was true, isn't. And if you do find a valid reason, and you really take a good look at it, and it stays valid, then you found why it is true for you, in this moment. One way or the other, it's not a myth anymore. I call it a myth, because so far, you guess it's true (or not). >> And if you so want: who's life would be better if secret speakers >> were trustworthy? Can you find ONE person? ONE being? Even for a >> moment? > .........It would seem people who lost moeny would be better off if > they were trustworthy.. but then as you said that would be arguing > wtih reality and apparently it was part of their path to lose their > money. Good, that's a proof for you: " it would seem people who lost money would be better off " . Now, analyze that: find one person whithin " people " who would be better off in this moment if he had not lost money back then. That also means knowing what " better off " would mean for that person. living a happier life? Having a bigger bank-account? Is that your belief of long-life happiness? I don't think so. Because when you do have money, you spend it on books and new-age ministers. THAT seems to mean living a happy life to you. It COULD be enough. >> And I learned from you: it's a LIE they should be, because YOU have >> found out: they are not! >> >> >>> how do i react.. I dont trust ministers. >> Well, then you have your lesson learned. >> >>> especially if they like to give talks on money.. >> right. And you shouldn't be trusting them! That's SO obvious! It >> happens over and over! >> >>> im disappointed because i held >>> new thought ministers on a higher level then the regular born >>> again variety. >> And how do you hold yourself, when you think they should be >> trustworthy, although you obviously know they are not? >> >> Trying to make the world a better place to live in? By forming it to >> YOUR standards? > > ..........Well I had this idea that those people were some how > better.. and apparently so did people who lost their money.. > It was a lie. Well, you gave them your money. Did you say: " I give you this money, but only if you don't lie? " When you gave them the money, did you know, that lying was an option? No matter how small you thought the chances where. And now you know for sure. At least about that one. And in the future, you know that people can lie. That could be an important realization. And the money you gave was what it cost you to have it. But thinking " I lost my money " leaves a bad feeling, doesn't it? And when it goes together with: " I don't have enough " or " I need more " , it becomes more powerful. Knowing that you got something for your money, changes the story, completely. And look at who you would be without the story " I am a betrayed woman " or without the story about what your bank account should look like. Or without the story that you have given money to new-age ministers. Look at who you were and how you would feel if you did not have any story about who your past, at all. That's what you ego is: the story of who you are. Nothing powerful about it, other than a thought. No trickery. Just a story you believe in your innocence. And you didn't even look at your options. About the money: look at what you spend it for. What do you buy yourself? Do you still have enough to live? Do you get long-term happyness and satisfaction whith what you buy? And is the money that you still have enough to still get that? You may have had more money than you needed. And how do I know that? You gave it away! New-Age ministers know what to do with your money, don't they? Their job! >>> i think im superior and they are especially bad to sort of use God.. >> Good find! >> >>> do i use god? well i would like to.. >> Well, don't you try? When you demand trustworthyness from them? You >> are asking for something you KNOW they can't give you. You had SO >> many proofs. >> Don't you want God to strike them with trustwothyness, for YOUR >> comfort? > ...........Yes i do.. then i could say to other people of the other > religions.. see its only those old fashioned religions that have > corruption. > Well i wouldnt ever say that but think it. And thats a lie. To believe it: that's how you say it to yourself. And that's how YOU lie to yourself. Stop lying to yourself. Become trustworthy. Show the world, how to do that. It could be appealing! > I had watched MArJo a movie about faith healers taking money.. > and never thought something similar would happen in a new age church. Is that true? The thought never occured to you? Oh, well, now you know it was a misunderstanding! Isn't realization wonderful? :-) >>> without the thought.. i would just be ok if people lost money.. >> Ok, so who do you know lost money? Didn't they get anything for it? >> What was the deal? > ............they got educated.. i suppose you... " suppose " ? So, " they lost money " . Can you absolutely know that that's true? >>> well they will learn.. >> OR NOT! Their business! >> >>> i wouldnt put new age new thought people >>> up as being above greed. >> Who's greedy? They want something, they get it... where's the greed >> part? >> >>> i wouldnt feel superior.. or inferior. >> And how does that feel? > ....... honest.. better Good! Honesty is a nice thing when lived. For my own sake. >>> People are people and no matter what someone does as a profession >>> they may mess up and its ok. to con people out of their lifes >>> savings.. well maybe that is their only path to god.. poverty >> C'mon. No one needs ministers to become poor. > .............well thats true no one needs ministers to become poor.. > but some of these people did.. apparently because some lost a lot. Oh, really? Is that true? How much? How poor did they become? Look at what you know. Look at your proofs. For your sake. >>> ministers should be con artists when they are.. >>> >>> I suppose those people learned something. >> WHO CARES?? > ........well i want to think something good came out of it. well, INVESTIGATE! What's the worst that could happen? You could find out that nothing good came out of it! If so, wouldn't you want to KNOW? At least for next time? To let the past be past? If not, you invest the present to hold on to the past. That's the deal. >> And whatever you answer: Is ist true? >> >>> She would ask people to loan the church money and that they >>> would be repaid with interest.. and many didnt get any >>> money at all.. but actally they were as greedy as she was >>> if they thought they could make money.. they wanted to make money >>> off >>> of God as well.. as she did.. >> Do you realize how your mind wanders, and wanders and keeps you from >> realizing what you want? >> >>> ministers should not be trustworthy.. when they arent. >>> >>> i should be trustworthy.. >> Are you? when you believe the thought they should be trustworthy, >> ALTHOUGH reality teaches you different? >> >>> i should not lie.. well thats more true.. since im the only one >>> that can live it. for me. >> And whom are you lying to, constantly? > ..........I lie to myself that other people are better Almost. You lie to yourself that people SHOULD be different. AND that that were better! But ONLY in the moment you believe your thoughts. Learn the difference. And until you do, don't expect them to know. >>> I guess i just thought new thought people were more trustworthy >>> than other ministers and this was only one new thought minister >>> although the unity minister here also left due to financial >>> problems.. >>> he is the one who first told me about katie.. >> You " GUESS " ?? Sweethart, we're not doing any guessing here, we are >> only looking at facts. We are doing the work!! >> >>> I guess you cant judge a group by a couple people.. either.. >> again guessing... >> >>> or even judge them.. maybe those people needed the experience of >>> being >>> conned.. apparently they did.. >> When did you ever decide to judge? Doesn't it just ... come to you? >> >> Did you ever consider their experience may have looked different for >> these people, then it has for YOU? > ............Well yes their experience is different for each individual > im sure.. You're sure! that's not guessing anymore! Good! > ...........My experience has been to no longer put famous new age > ministers above.. anyone. I wonder if the fame went to their head. > ok ok not my business.. Good! ;-) And what about putting yourself above new age ministers? ;-) > .......now im into new age music.. As long as you don't expect it to be trustworthy and not steal anyone's money!... ;-) > thanks, love,roslyn >> >> Take good care, >> Love, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2007 Report Share Posted May 29, 2007 alexander.. go within doing the work.. ok.. --SEcret teachers should be trustworthy.. no I think so many are materialists and it seems its teaching having more stuff is better.. which i dont see as being true. i didnt lose any money and never gave any money.. ive given to churches in the past but not this one. and not to any of the secret teachers. though i have certainly spent money on self help books. in the past. I feel ok with this now.. i was thinking people especially ministers should be better.. its not true. Apparently it was peoples karma.. i know karma is not necessarily true but i like to believe in it anyway. who cares if they learned.. well i like to think they did. im in their business thanks Im listening to my new age music cd.. daniel nahmod. im switching my addiction from self help books to cds. musicians are more trustworthy .. ok not necessarily true. love, roslyn - In Loving-what-is , wrote: > > Dear Roslyn, > > Am 27.05.2007 um 06:39 schrieb mrcitrus6: > > > thanks alexander.. -i tried to answer this ... > >>> i still care what others would say because i think katie > >>> is clearer > >> And what does THAT mean? To you? > >> She may be older, smaller, faster.... > >> What do YOU have to say? LISTEN to that! > > ........Well im not very good about going within and listening .. > > i guess thats why i read so much. > u-huh. So, by reading much: do you get better at going in? > > Roslyn, what others say is worthless. Of no value. > > You learn how to go inside by doing the work. > > >>> ministers and secret speakers should be trustworthy.. > >>> > >>> is it true.. no.. absolutely can i know their path or others no > >> Yes, and go further: who gives a .... about their path. How would > >> YOUR life be better if secret speakers where trustworthy? Does this > >> include ALL secret speakers? Or just some you hold a certain attitude > >> towards? What about that attitude? > > ...........how would my life be better.. i would think that when > > people get to a certain educational level they can be trusted . > > If a person has written three books..and has a church of about 5000 > > members they are trustworthy .. and the truth is you cant judge by > > the outer what a persons character is like. > > > > I can only trust myself.. to tell me whats right for me.. not to > > listen to any minister. > > And why should i care about their path.. I guess i want to feel > > superior.. > " I think " , " I guess " ... I'd leave that away. > > Look: " secret speakers should be trustworthy " - is that true? > I hear that you guess it's not, because it may be better for them... > etc. > > That's guessing. Not investigating. You hold onto the thought, > because you have proof! You *want* to believe it's true. It holds > your world in shape. > > Loose your world. Loose the moon. Look at your proofs, take them out > of the dark into the light. Understand your thoughts. > > Find one valid reason, how your life would be better in this moment, > if your thought was true. > Find one valid reason, how ANYONE's life would be better in this > moment, if your thought was true. > > THEN you have an answer to question Number 2. > > If you don't find any valid reason, you realization takes place. You > find that what you thought was true, isn't. > > And if you do find a valid reason, and you really take a good look at > it, and it stays valid, then you found why it is true for you, in > this moment. One way or the other, it's not a myth anymore. I call it > a myth, because so far, you guess it's true (or not). > > >> And if you so want: who's life would be better if secret speakers > >> were trustworthy? Can you find ONE person? ONE being? Even for a > >> moment? > > .........It would seem people who lost moeny would be better off if > > they were trustworthy.. but then as you said that would be arguing > > wtih reality and apparently it was part of their path to lose their > > money. > Good, that's a proof for you: " it would seem people who lost money > would be better off " . > > Now, analyze that: find one person whithin " people " who would be > better off in this moment if he had not lost money back then. That > also means knowing what " better off " would mean for that person. > living a happier life? Having a bigger bank-account? Is that your > belief of long-life happiness? I don't think so. Because when you do > have money, you spend it on books and new-age ministers. THAT seems > to mean living a happy life to you. It COULD be enough. > > >> And I learned from you: it's a LIE they should be, because YOU have > >> found out: they are not! > >> > >> > >>> how do i react.. I dont trust ministers. > >> Well, then you have your lesson learned. > >> > >>> especially if they like to give talks on money.. > >> right. And you shouldn't be trusting them! That's SO obvious! It > >> happens over and over! > >> > >>> im disappointed because i held > >>> new thought ministers on a higher level then the regular born > >>> again variety. > >> And how do you hold yourself, when you think they should be > >> trustworthy, although you obviously know they are not? > >> > >> Trying to make the world a better place to live in? By forming it to > >> YOUR standards? > > > > ..........Well I had this idea that those people were some how > > better.. and apparently so did people who lost their money.. > > It was a lie. > Well, you gave them your money. Did you say: " I give you this money, > but only if you don't lie? " When you gave them the money, did you > know, that lying was an option? No matter how small you thought the > chances where. > And now you know for sure. > At least about that one. And in the future, you know that people can > lie. That could be an important realization. And the money you gave > was what it cost you to have it. > > But thinking " I lost my money " leaves a bad feeling, doesn't it? And > when it goes together with: " I don't have enough " or " I need more " , > it becomes more powerful. Knowing that you got something for your > money, changes the story, completely. And look at who you would be > without the story " I am a betrayed woman " or without the story about > what your bank account should look like. Or without the story that > you have given money to new-age ministers. Look at who you were and > how you would feel if you did not have any story about who your past, > at all. > That's what you ego is: the story of who you are. Nothing powerful > about it, other than a thought. No trickery. Just a story you believe > in your innocence. And you didn't even look at your options. > > About the money: look at what you spend it for. What do you buy > yourself? Do you still have enough to live? Do you get long-term > happyness and satisfaction whith what you buy? And is the money that > you still have enough to still get that? You may have had more money > than you needed. And how do I know that? You gave it away! New-Age > ministers know what to do with your money, don't they? Their job! > > > >>> i think im superior and they are especially bad to sort of use God.. > >> Good find! > >> > >>> do i use god? well i would like to.. > >> Well, don't you try? When you demand trustworthyness from them? You > >> are asking for something you KNOW they can't give you. You had SO > >> many proofs. > >> Don't you want God to strike them with trustwothyness, for YOUR > >> comfort? > > ...........Yes i do.. then i could say to other people of the other > > religions.. see its only those old fashioned religions that have > > corruption. > > Well i wouldnt ever say that but think it. And thats a lie. > To believe it: that's how you say it to yourself. And that's how YOU > lie to yourself. Stop lying to yourself. Become trustworthy. Show the > world, how to do that. It could be appealing! > > > I had watched MArJo a movie about faith healers taking money.. > > and never thought something similar would happen in a new age church. > Is that true? The thought never occured to you? Oh, well, now you > know it was a misunderstanding! > Isn't realization wonderful? :-) > > >>> without the thought.. i would just be ok if people lost money.. > >> Ok, so who do you know lost money? Didn't they get anything for it? > >> What was the deal? > > ............they got educated.. i suppose > you... " suppose " ? > > So, " they lost money " . Can you absolutely know that that's true? > > >>> well they will learn.. > >> OR NOT! Their business! > >> > >>> i wouldnt put new age new thought people > >>> up as being above greed. > >> Who's greedy? They want something, they get it... where's the greed > >> part? > >> > >>> i wouldnt feel superior.. or inferior. > >> And how does that feel? > > ....... honest.. better > Good! Honesty is a nice thing when lived. For my own sake. > > >>> People are people and no matter what someone does as a profession > >>> they may mess up and its ok. to con people out of their lifes > >>> savings.. well maybe that is their only path to god.. poverty > >> C'mon. No one needs ministers to become poor. > > .............well thats true no one needs ministers to become poor.. > > but some of these people did.. apparently because some lost a lot. > Oh, really? Is that true? How much? How poor did they become? > > Look at what you know. Look at your proofs. For your sake. > > >>> ministers should be con artists when they are.. > >>> > >>> I suppose those people learned something. > >> WHO CARES?? > > ........well i want to think something good came out of it. > well, INVESTIGATE! What's the worst that could happen? You could find > out that nothing good came out of it! If so, wouldn't you want to > KNOW? At least for next time? To let the past be past? If not, you > invest the present to hold on to the past. That's the deal. > > >> And whatever you answer: Is ist true? > >> > >>> She would ask people to loan the church money and that they > >>> would be repaid with interest.. and many didnt get any > >>> money at all.. but actally they were as greedy as she was > >>> if they thought they could make money.. they wanted to make money > >>> off > >>> of God as well.. as she did.. > >> Do you realize how your mind wanders, and wanders and keeps you from > >> realizing what you want? > >> > >>> ministers should not be trustworthy.. when they arent. > >>> > >>> i should be trustworthy.. > >> Are you? when you believe the thought they should be trustworthy, > >> ALTHOUGH reality teaches you different? > >> > >>> i should not lie.. well thats more true.. since im the only one > >>> that can live it. for me. > >> And whom are you lying to, constantly? > > ..........I lie to myself that other people are better > Almost. You lie to yourself that people SHOULD be different. AND that > that were better! > > But ONLY in the moment you believe your thoughts. > > Learn the difference. And until you do, don't expect them to know. > > >>> I guess i just thought new thought people were more trustworthy > >>> than other ministers and this was only one new thought minister > >>> although the unity minister here also left due to financial > >>> problems.. > >>> he is the one who first told me about katie.. > >> You " GUESS " ?? Sweethart, we're not doing any guessing here, we are > >> only looking at facts. We are doing the work!! > >> > >>> I guess you cant judge a group by a couple people.. either.. > >> again guessing... > >> > >>> or even judge them.. maybe those people needed the experience of > >>> being > >>> conned.. apparently they did.. > >> When did you ever decide to judge? Doesn't it just ... come to you? > >> > >> Did you ever consider their experience may have looked different for > >> these people, then it has for YOU? > > ............Well yes their experience is different for each individual > > im sure.. > You're sure! that's not guessing anymore! Good! > > > > ...........My experience has been to no longer put famous new age > > ministers above.. anyone. I wonder if the fame went to their head. > > ok ok not my business.. > Good! ;-) > > And what about putting yourself above new age ministers? ;-) > > > .......now im into new age music.. > As long as you don't expect it to be trustworthy and not steal > anyone's money!... ;-) > > > thanks, love,roslyn > >> > >> Take good care, > >> > Love, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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