Re: stand, sit, lie- what do we want to do?

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Thank you T

I thought i read " Tammy " by someone.

I am sorry i did not mean to insult you

I'll copy paste.

Tami wrote:

>

> Dear Nel

>

> It is Tami, not Tammy.

>

> My answer to you would be:

> We don't get the chance to vote

> We breath until we don't

>

> And this all sit stand lie

> Is 's way to try to simplify reality for us

> We do get to do other things as well

> Like breathing, so don't take it literally, ok?

>

> T

>

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Dear Nel

It is Tami, not Tammy.

My answer to you would be:

We don't get the chance to vote

We breath until we don't

And this all sit stand lie

Is 's way to try to simplify reality for us

We do get to do other things as well

Like breathing, so don't take it literally, ok?

T

-- stand, sit, lie- what do we want to do?

>

> If all we do , as KT says, is stand, sit and lie, -we don't even have

> to have a pulse for it- then this is all that we want to do.

> The primary drive- or Want- for survival- that forces us to do several

> things, is it's existence questionable or how is it explained?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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And that is all you have to say???

I am sorry???

I thought I gave you such a smart answer.

Read it again, and focus on the what is important

And come back to me

And tell me what you have understood.

Your modest teacher, T

-- Re: stand, sit, lie- what do we want to do?

Thank you T

I thought i read " Tammy " by someone.

I am sorry i did not mean to insult you

I'll copy paste.

Tami wrote:

>

> Dear Nel

>

> It is Tami, not Tammy.

>

> My answer to you would be:

> We don't get the chance to vote

> We breath until we don't

>

> And this all sit stand lie

> Is 's way to try to simplify reality for us

> We do get to do other things as well

> Like breathing, so don't take it literally, ok?

>

> T

>

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Dear nel stevens,

You adked " Did I get it? " I don't think you did.

The Course in Miracles is not based on Duality. It is based on Non-

Duality. The Ego is not presented as independent from the Spirit,

acording to the Course In Miracles. In fact, according to the

Course, the Ego does not really exist at all, but is only a thought.

And that is where I find the Work so helpful, in understanding

thoughts and separating the Truth from the lies and eliminating or

undoing the blockages we have to the Truth.

The basic premise of the Course In Miracles is:

" Nothing Real can be threatened.

Nothing Unreal truly exists.

Therein lies the Peace of God. "

As far as Reynards' book, I would guess that it is also based on

non-duality, but I have not read it.

Regards, Steve D.

> > >

> > > If all we do , as KT says, is stand, sit and lie, -we don't

even have

> > > to have a pulse for it- then this is all that we want to do.

> > > The primary drive- or Want- for survival- that forces us to do

> > several

> > > things, is it's existence questionable or how is it explained?

> > >

> >

> > According to The Course in Miracles, that is the duality of ego

versus

> > spirit. That is why " The Work " is so important; to investigate

the

> > outside thoughts of the ego. Then the decision maker (as it is

called

> > In the Course of Miracles) can decide if it is spirit or ego. If

you

> > are interested in further explaination, I recommend reading one

of

> > Wapnicks book on The Course (be prepared for heaving

reading)

> > or Renard's book, " The Disappearance of the Universe. "

> > But of course, you don't have to; you can just stand, sit and

lie. Do

> > what is true for you.

> >

> >

> > Atlanta, GA

> >

>

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Dear nel stevens,

First of all, if you want to know what believes, you would have

to ask her. My understanding is that what you call the " Primary Drive

or Want for survival " are just more stories and are based upon our

false belief that the body is real and our identification with that

body. When I investigate these beliefs, I can not find any proof that

they are true or that I am really doing anything except telling myself

stories for which I have no proof. But then, what the hell do I know?

Blessings, Steve D.

>

> If all we do , as KT says, is stand, sit and lie, -we don't even have

> to have a pulse for it- then this is all that we want to do.

> The primary drive- or Want- for survival- that forces us to do several

> things, is it's existence questionable or how is it explained?

>

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Nel,

You said:

" Are we permitted to doubt the instinct of survival (theoretically

> only) IF according to it is not a primary Want and what

happens when we do. "

I have never heard Ktie say anything about an " instinct of

survival " ??? So to say, " according to " , does not make sense to

me?

But, if I doubt the " instinct of survival " , the same thing would

happen as whe do not doubt it. The only thing that ever happens is I

tell myself another story.

says, " If we make a choice, the worst thing that can happen is

a Concept, and if we make a different choice, the worst thing that

can happen is a Concept. "

Blessings, Steve D.

> >

> > I am sorry,

> > I didn't understand the question

> >

> > Can you say it again in other words?

> >

> > T

> >

> > -- stand, sit, lie- what do we want to do?

> >

> > If all we do , as KT says, is stand, sit and lie, -we don't even

have

> > to have a pulse for it- then this is all that we want to do.

> > The primary drive- or Want- for survival- that forces us to do

several

> > things, is it's existence questionable or how is it explained?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Steve D.,

Who is doing the eliminating and why is it trusted?

is the truth known already?

> > > >

> > > > If all we do , as KT says, is stand, sit and lie, -we don't

> even have

> > > > to have a pulse for it- then this is all that we want to do.

> > > > The primary drive- or Want- for survival- that forces us to do

> > > several

> > > > things, is it's existence questionable or how is it explained?

> > > >

> > >

> > > According to The Course in Miracles, that is the duality of ego

> versus

> > > spirit. That is why " The Work " is so important; to investigate

> the

> > > outside thoughts of the ego. Then the decision maker (as it is

> called

> > > In the Course of Miracles) can decide if it is spirit or ego. If

> you

> > > are interested in further explaination, I recommend reading one

> of

> > > Wapnicks book on The Course (be prepared for heaving

> reading)

> > > or Renard's book, " The Disappearance of the Universe. "

> > > But of course, you don't have to; you can just stand, sit and

> lie. Do

> > > what is true for you.

> > >

> > >

> > > Atlanta, GA

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Steve D.,

And second of all lol

Let's say that 's position is the Work's position.

So, there is a body -the Work says so- to S,S & L but not one to act

for survival, such as to work to maintain a home to live in?

Why does the Work find S,S,L true if all else can be untrue?

> >

> > If all we do , as KT says, is stand, sit and lie, -we don't even have

> > to have a pulse for it- then this is all that we want to do.

> > The primary drive- or Want- for survival- that forces us to do several

> > things, is it's existence questionable or how is it explained?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Steve,

>

> Nel,

>

> You said:

> " Are we permitted to doubt the instinct of survival (theoretically

> > only) IF according to it is not a primary Want and what

> happens when we do. "

>

> I have never heard Ktie say anything about an " instinct of

> survival " ??? So to say, " according to " , does not make sense to

> me?

KT did not say it- i did.

It is a conduction or what is the word where B is concluded from A?

If you notice it starts with IF?

" All we can do is ssl " - all we want to do is ssl because that's all

we do- we don't want to do anything else...

> But, if I doubt the " instinct of survival " , the same thing would

> happen as whe do not doubt it. The only thing that ever happens is I

> tell myself another story.

>

> says, " If we make a choice, the worst thing that can happen is

> a Concept, and if we make a different choice, the worst thing that

> can happen is a Concept. "

>

> Blessings, Steve D.

[Guest guest]

Dear Nel,

>>> If all we do , as KT says, is stand, sit and lie, -we don't even

>>> have

>>> to have a pulse for it- then this is all that we want to do.

>>> The primary drive- or Want- for survival- that forces us to do

>>> several

>>> things, is it's existence questionable or how is it explained?

>> who forces you to do what?

>> You notice that you eat. Who forced you?

> I have a belief that i might not live if i don't.

And if you had not the belief, you would not eat? I don't think so.

But your mind may shift around food.

> back to the the point: we <can not> eat because we don't want to eat?

Well, when DO you eat? Only when you are hungry? And WHAT do you eat?

Only things you like most?

Don't you ever eat and at the same time have the thought: " *I* should

not eat *THAT* " ?

> Your question in another post,i modified it- What would it mean to me

> if i could not eat but keep aliveness?

> Freedom

>

> " What we do is what we want to do. Why? Because we do it " (or

> something to that effect) following this,

> SS & L is the only thing we want-don't we want to survive?

We want until we don't. I don't know of anyone who ever survived.

Everyone died.

That's what we do around here.

We get old, we get ill, we die.

Who am I to tell when the time has come? It's a tough job, and the

universe is taking care of it.

No one dies before his time.

And if you try do call the stakes on your time, then surviving is

what you do. Live instead.

>> And if you say " the ego " , then you just created an ego.

> Do you ignore the " Ego " and keep the actions?

Well, the actions are a story, as well. But it's a step. I notice

what I do, and how I feel with it. Sometimes I think I should go

right, and I notice I go left. Sometimes I am open to that, other

times I am not.

>> Don't try to take too many steps at once. It doesn't work. haven't

>> you noticed?

> What could i do better?

Observe your thoughts and inquire.

Love,

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SSL is a story, as well.

That answers your question?

Am 13.08.2006 um 14:34 schrieb nel stevens:

> Dear Steve D.,

>

> And second of all lol

> Let's say that 's position is the Work's position.

>

> So, there is a body -the Work says so- to S,S & L but not one to act

> for survival, such as to work to maintain a home to live in?

> Why does the Work find S,S,L true if all else can be untrue?

>

>

>

>>>

>>> If all we do , as KT says, is stand, sit and lie, -we don't even

>>> have

>>> to have a pulse for it- then this is all that we want to do.

>>> The primary drive- or Want- for survival- that forces us to do

>>> several

>>> things, is it's existence questionable or how is it explained?

>>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > back to the the point: we <can not> eat because we don't want to eat?

> Well, when DO you eat? Only when you are hungry? And WHAT do you eat?

> Only things you like most?

Dear

I found your question to be " off topic "

What deference does it make what he eats?

We are a loving what is group

Not a restaurant.

If you are hungry, go and cool yourself pasta

T

Trying to make this group a " better place "

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Dear Steve,

By the way, I do take 's statement literally. I think it goes:

" I noticed that I either sit, or stand, or lie down. And even that is

not true. "

And that doesn't have to be your truth.

Love,

> By the way, I don't take 's statment regarding S,S & L

> literally, I believe she uses that as a teaching mechanism so that we

> understand that we are not really doing anything. That we are merely

> being aware of thoughts and accepting them as true and that gives us

> what we call a life and a body and a world and a universe.

>

> Steve D.

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I changed my mind

I agree with :

We sit stand or lie, *literally*!

, you are the wisest person I have ever met,

And I met a few wise people in my life!

T

Your dream come true

-- Re: Re: stand, sit, lie- what do we want to do?

Dear Steve,

By the way, I do take 's statement literally. I think it goes:

" I noticed that I either sit, or stand, or lie down. And even that is

not true. "

And that doesn't have to be your truth.

Love,

> By the way, I don't take 's statment regarding S,S & L

> literally, I believe she uses that as a teaching mechanism so that we

> understand that we are not really doing anything. That we are merely

> being aware of thoughts and accepting them as true and that gives us

> what we call a life and a body and a world and a universe.

>

> Steve D.

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>

> Dear Steve,

>

> By the way, I do take 's statement literally. I think it goes:

> " I noticed that I either sit, or stand, or lie down. And even that

is

> not true. "

My beloved ,

When I write my books and lead my workshops, I prefer to say " I

noticed that I either am picking my nose, or I'm not. And even that is

not true. "

Basically the same thing, but a little less wordy.

" I'd like to emphasize that there is no need to hold back anything as

you post here. " (part of intro to forum)

, is that to be taken literally? Please let me know.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

> , you are the wisest person I have ever met,

Tami, I would have to wholeheartedly agree with you bout . And

I've never even met him. Would you mind terribly if I asked him out?

Your best friend,

[Guest guest]

> , you are the wisest person I have ever met,

Tami, I would have to wholeheartedly agree with you bout . And

I've never even met him. Would you mind terribly if I asked him out?

Your best friend,

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

> Basically the same thing, but a little less wordy.

Yes, you can find many ways to express the same. Thank you for your

preciseness.

>> " I'd like to emphasize that there is no need to hold back anything as

>> you post here. " (part of intro to forum)

> , is that to be taken literally? Please let me know.

Yes, that is to be taken literally, and I love it to be related to the work. And

I invite you to explore your motives for posting what you post.

schrieb:

>

> Dear Steve,

>

> By the way, I do take 's statement literally. I think it goes:

> " I noticed that I either sit, or stand, or lie down. And even that

is

> not true. "

My beloved ,

When I write my books and lead my workshops, I prefer to say " I

noticed that I either am picking my nose, or I'm not. And even that is

not true. "

Basically the same thing, but a little less wordy.

" I'd like to emphasize that there is no need to hold back anything as

you post here. " (part of intro to forum)

, is that to be taken literally? Please let me know.

Thanks,

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>

> Dear ,

And I invite you to explore your motives for posting what you post.

Dear ,

And have you explored your motives for inviting me to explore my

motives????

Really, what it all comes down to is this ---

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" And that's all I have to say about that. " - Forrest Gump

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is not my property

You can sit on him

Stand next to him

Or

Lie besides him

Enjoy

T

-- Re: stand, sit, lie- what do we want to do?

> , you are the wisest person I have ever met,

Tami, I would have to wholeheartedly agree with you bout . And

I've never even met him. Would you mind terribly if I asked him out?

Your best friend,

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Dear Steve D.

You took the time to answer the question -thank you

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If all we do , as KT says, is stand, sit and lie, -we don't

> > > even have

> > > > > > to have a pulse for it- then this is all that we want to do.

> > > > > > The primary drive- or Want- for survival- that forces us to

> do

> > > > > several

> > > > > > things, is it's existence questionable or how is it

> explained?

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > According to The Course in Miracles, that is the duality of

> ego

> > > versus

> > > > > spirit. That is why " The Work " is so important; to

> investigate

> > > the

> > > > > outside thoughts of the ego. Then the decision maker (as it

> is

> > > called

> > > > > In the Course of Miracles) can decide if it is spirit or

> ego. If

> > > you

> > > > > are interested in further explaination, I recommend reading

> one

> > > of

> > > > > Wapnicks book on The Course (be prepared for heaving

> > > reading)

> > > > > or Renard's book, " The Disappearance of the Universe. "

> > > > > But of course, you don't have to; you can just stand, sit and

> > > lie. Do

> > > > > what is true for you.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Atlanta, GA

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Yes and thank you for the full sentence by Kt.

> >>>

> >>> If all we do , as KT says, is stand, sit and lie, -we don't even

> >>> have

> >>> to have a pulse for it- then this is all that we want to do.

> >>> The primary drive- or Want- for survival- that forces us to do

> >>> several

> >>> things, is it's existence questionable or how is it explained?

> >>>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear ,

wrote:

>

> > back to the the point: we <can not> eat because we don't want to eat?

> Well, when DO you eat? Only when you are hungry? And WHAT do you eat?

> Only things you like most?

Yes within healthy food

> Don't you ever eat and at the same time have the thought: " *I* should

> not eat *THAT* " ?

no. If i did i would stop.

> And if you try do call the stakes on your time, then surviving is

> what you do. Live instead.

>

> >> And if you say " the ego " , then you just created an ego.

> > Do you ignore the " Ego " and keep the actions?

> Well, the actions are a story, as well. But it's a step. I notice

> what I do, and how I feel with it. Sometimes I think I should go

> right, and I notice I go left. Sometimes I am open to that, other

> times I am not.

" open " means to not resist to what you think you are doing /is happening?

> Love,

>

>

>

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Dear Nel,

>>> back to the the point: we <can not> eat because we don't want to

>>> eat?

>> Well, when DO you eat? Only when you are hungry? And WHAT do you eat?

>> Only things you like most?

> Yes within healthy food

What if you had to answer " yes " or " no " ? Do you *only* eat things you

like most?

And what is healthy, to you?

>> Don't you ever eat and at the same time have the thought: " *I* should

>> not eat *THAT* " ?

> no. If i did i would stop.

Is that really true?

Good for you.

>> And if you try do call the stakes on your time, then surviving is

>> what you do. Live instead.

>>

>>>> And if you say " the ego " , then you just created an ego.

>>> Do you ignore the " Ego " and keep the actions?

>> Well, the actions are a story, as well. But it's a step. I notice

>> what I do, and how I feel with it. Sometimes I think I should go

>> right, and I notice I go left. Sometimes I am open to that, other

>> times I am not.

> " open " means to not resist to what you think you are doing /is

> happening?

" open " means to embrace reality. With both arms.

Love,

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