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Dear T,

The work helps some people, the work helps people combined with something

else, could be a book, teraphy or something else. The work does not work for

some other people, all that is true for me.

Sweety, have you read the book " getting the love you want " I don't know if you

enjoy reading but that is a book that can give someone a new prospective in

life.

Do you enjoy praying? what has make you feel better in the past when you feel

down like that?

just wish I could help in any way because I do care,

love,

Tami wrote:

Thank you fir your time

And thank you for listening to me

I have no one I can talk to and it is late atnight

And I cry and feel helpless and I want to die

The only thought that gives me hope

Is that I can try to kill myslef

I feel that life is too hard on me

And I cannot cope

People give me advice all the time

What I should do

How I should take more responsibilit

And I feel that it is too complicate for me

I gave up on having babies cause it is too much for me

I don't care if I will not have a boy friend

And the only issue that force me to cope is the money issue

I don't mind not working either

But I don't want to live on the streets

And for now I have a home

But in the future, I might have to get a job

And I don't want to work

I just want to sleep or die

I am scared

And I just want someone to hug me

And protect me from this life

I just want to die

And I don't know how to do it

I am afraid

I know you cannot help me either

And I write here anyway

I want to die.

I feel that I have big issues

That I didn't deal with them

And they all come up

i am not going to run away to fantazy land

By wanting things I cannot have

I need to make peace with what I do have now

I am too worried and scared

And please don't ask me to do the work

It doesn't work for me

I want to die

And maybe I should go to mental institute

To calm down

So I will not hurt myslef

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> Thank you fir your time

> And thank you for listening to me

> I have no one I can talk to and it is late atnight

> And I cry and feel helpless and I want to die

> The only thought that gives me hope

> Is that I can try to kill myslef

>

Hi Tami,

The best antidote I have found to depressing and suicidal thoughts

other than the Work is to help others. When you help someone else

you don't have time to dwell on how unhappy you are. Your country is

currently torn apart by war, so it should be relatively easy to find

someone to help on either side of the conflict. By giving love to

those in need you get to remember the love in yourself. Perhaps you

could volunteer to be a nurses aid in a hospital treating wounded

Israeli soldiers, or volunteer to help rebuild the homes in Southern

Lebanon destroyed by the Israeli missiles. Remember your real job is

to love, not to run away and try to kill yourself.

Have a gentle day and a long life :)

" Sanity doesn't suffer, ever . . . ever! Sanity doesn't suffer,

ever, ever! Isn't that lovely? " Byron

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and i would add to that- i think you have so much to offer people, a gift of

wisdom that flows out of you sometimes, it would be a shame for people not

to get that, if you kill yourself. i would miss it and your funny ways.

loving you as me, laurie

>

>

> >

> > Thank you fir your time

> > And thank you for listening to me

> > I have no one I can talk to and it is late atnight

> > And I cry and feel helpless and I want to die

> > The only thought that gives me hope

> > Is that I can try to kill myslef

> >

>

> Hi Tami,

>

> The best antidote I have found to depressing and suicidal thoughts

> other than the Work is to help others. When you help someone else

> you don't have time to dwell on how unhappy you are. Your country is

> currently torn apart by war, so it should be relatively easy to find

> someone to help on either side of the conflict. By giving love to

> those in need you get to remember the love in yourself. Perhaps you

> could volunteer to be a nurses aid in a hospital treating wounded

> Israeli soldiers, or volunteer to help rebuild the homes in Southern

> Lebanon destroyed by the Israeli missiles. Remember your real job is

> to love, not to run away and try to kill yourself.

>

> Have a gentle day and a long life :)

>

> " Sanity doesn't suffer, ever . . . ever! Sanity doesn't suffer,

> ever, ever! Isn't that lovely? " Byron

>

>

>

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Hi Tami!

**My text is within yours below.

Thank you fir your time

And thank you for listening to me

I have no one I can talk to and it is late atnight

And I cry and feel helpless and I want to die

The only thought that gives me hope

Is that I can try to kill myslef

**It sounds like you're feeling really lonely, hopeless and

desperate and you really need people who can hear you and understand

the pain that you're feeling right now.

I feel that life is too hard on me

And I cannot cope

People give me advice all the time

What I should do

How I should take more responsibilit

And I feel that it is too complicate for me

I gave up on having babies cause it is too much for me

I don't care if I will not have a boy friend

And the only issue that force me to cope is the money issue

I don't mind not working either

But I don't want to live on the streets

And for now I have a home

But in the future, I might have to get a job

And I don't want to work

I just want to sleep or die

**Things are feeling pretty overwhelming and you are really wanting

a place that feels safe and nurturing.

I am scared

And I just want someone to hug me

And protect me from this life

**You are frightened and looking for gentleness and love in a world

that is not meeting your needs for safety, peace and harmony.

I just want to die

And I don't know how to do it

I am afraid

I know you cannot help me either

And I write here anyway

I want to die.

**You are feeling isolated and hopeless at really getting the

support and love that you need right now.

I feel that I have big issues

That I didn't deal with them

And they all come up

i am not going to run away to fantazy land

By wanting things I cannot have

I need to make peace with what I do have now

I am too worried and scared

And please don't ask me to do the work

It doesn't work for me

**You're feeling overwhelmed by problems and challenges and have a

need to make peace with them and with yourself and are needing

clarity as to how to go about accomplishing that.

I want to die

And maybe I should go to mental institute

To calm down

So I will not hurt myslef

**You are willing to consider options to meet your need for a safe

environment for yourself and provide yourself with the nurturing

that you need right now.

I hear you, my friend, and appreciate your openness and honest

expression and your desire to meet the needs that you are

experiencing right now.

Love, Light and Hugs,

Theresa

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> Thank you fir your time

> And thank you for listening to me

> I have no one I can talk to and it is late atnight

I love you Tami

says everyone loves her, they just don't know it yet.

It's true in my world that you love yourself, you just don't know it

yet.

A few years back I swallowed two bottles of sleeping pills. And went

to sleep. The story continues, a later scene of being in an

ambulance, tube down my nose/throat, charcoal being pumped in to

suck up poison from system.

But there's a more recent chapter, where I realize suicide is not a

letting go of life, but the ultimate attempt to control life. Yeah,

that was more true for me.

Right now I'm looking at a bookmark next to the computer. On it says-

" ...and then the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was

more painful than the risk it took to blossom. "

Whether or not you needed to hear these words, guess I needed to say

em.

I love you Tami

Do you want a Carrot Card reading?

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oh tami!

i'm sorry for you and you have my ful empathy for you.

i'm writing out of bed, currently so weak that i can hardly manage

to sit upright for a while. so hanging here somewhere in between i

open my computer, and find these lines of you. and all the

responses. and i wonder: how can i help?

outside, on the other side of the street is a primary school. there

are litte children coming

with their parents and relatives and a large cornet of cardboard

filled with sweets and little presents (given to children in Germany

on their first day at school) the kids have this expression of

exitement and curiousity on their face. it's their very first school

day.

How nice to watch!

Yesterday night, i was thinking a lot about a firend that died this

early january (suicide). i thought about the question, if there had

been anything that i could have done that would have saved his life.

i don't know.

i just remember what i heard from katie last weekend, on an audio

file.

she described her work in a prison, where they put a screeming man

into an empty cell. he screamed and screamed.

his thoughts made him scream.

then she compared that with another man. he was in meditation mode,

if they put him into the same cell - silence and bliss.

he's got different thoughts! very true!!

i know a lot about depression from my own experience. and i know

there are different severety grades of it.

i fully agree with katie, when she says, it's the thoughts that make

us suffer.

i also know that it is important, to take a turn at the beginning of

a coming up depression. from my own experience i can only share,

that it was a combination of changing my thoughts and being honest

to myself that helped me to find my way out.

being honest to myself helped me to find different people.

it was a long way. many years long.

there was joy and pain on it. there was exitement and

dissapointment.

i had a mum that was very depressed herself for years. i had a dad,

that was rather frustrated and hot-tempered.

how did i chose to survive in that partwise lifethreatening climate?

i played the nice and funny, entertaining girl.

that pleased them. so i got at least some attention that was not

scary for me.

but when i came to the beginning of puberty, i started to want to

kill myself.

with fourteen i took an overdose of pills.

then i moved out. started to search.

i started to look for intimacy with myself.

well. i found it! and the wounds started to bleed.

in the beginning it all went worse. sometimes i lived for only one

hr a week.

it was the one my therapist had time for me.

in the meantime i survived.

i know that when we want to die. we don't really want to die, but

want the hurt and pain to end. we feel that we do not have the

strength and

the hope anylonger to be able to deal with what's going on.

we fantasize how it will get worse and worse and how we will end (on

the street, or whereever)

if i was in your condition right now. what would i like to hear?

some honest words from a human fellow that cares.

if that was me, what would i say?

i would remind myself that my experience is, that life goes up and

down. change is the contiunity.

i would look for a therapist that is really approachable as a human

being. perhaps if i have no one to nestle, i would go to a group,

like emotional anonymous (similar to anonymous alcoholics) or i

would join a therapy group. i would make clear that i get some

touches, without mixing that with sex.

i would ask myself, what it is, that i'm really hungry for. what do

i long for, and then i would go. step by step to move towards it.

the work is a great support to find your true answers.

the truer you are, the truer your relationships become. the truer

they get, the more satisfying they become.

you said you have no one to talk to.

well. i could open a skype account and we could talk over skype. it

would cost nothing extra.

if i can be of any help or support for you. let me know.

with love, rose

>

> Thank you fir your time

> And thank you for listening to me

> I have no one I can talk to and it is late atnight

> And I cry and feel helpless and I want to die

> The only thought that gives me hope

> Is that I can try to kill myslef

>

> I feel that life is too hard on me

> And I cannot cope

> People give me advice all the time

> What I should do

> How I should take more responsibilit

> And I feel that it is too complicate for me

> I gave up on having babies cause it is too much for me

> I don't care if I will not have a boy friend

> And the only issue that force me to cope is the money issue

> I don't mind not working either

> But I don't want to live on the streets

> And for now I have a home

> But in the future, I might have to get a job

> And I don't want to work

> I just want to sleep or die

>

> I am scared

> And I just want someone to hug me

> And protect me from this life

>

> I just want to die

> And I don't know how to do it

> I am afraid

> I know you cannot help me either

> And I write here anyway

> I want to die.

>

> I feel that I have big issues

> That I didn't deal with them

> And they all come up

> i am not going to run away to fantazy land

> By wanting things I cannot have

> I need to make peace with what I do have now

> I am too worried and scared

> And please don't ask me to do the work

> It doesn't work for me

>

> I want to die

> And maybe I should go to mental institute

> To calm down

> So I will not hurt myslef

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Tami,

We hear you and we care for you.

You said:

" And maybe I should go to mental institute To calm down So I will not

hurt myself. "

I would drop the " maybe " . (I know, talk!) but it is what I

feel is true. I feel you should contact your Doctor and tell them

this feeling of wanting to die. See what they can do for you.

Also, Can you really know that death would be a help? Where is your

proof? I personally do not know what efect deth will have on my

thoughts?

Love, Steve (old man) D.

>

> Thank you fir your time

> And thank you for listening to me

> I have no one I can talk to and it is late atnight

> And I cry and feel helpless and I want to die

> The only thought that gives me hope

> Is that I can try to kill myslef

>

> I feel that life is too hard on me

> And I cannot cope

> People give me advice all the time

> What I should do

> How I should take more responsibilit

> And I feel that it is too complicate for me

> I gave up on having babies cause it is too much for me

> I don't care if I will not have a boy friend

> And the only issue that force me to cope is the money issue

> I don't mind not working either

> But I don't want to live on the streets

> And for now I have a home

> But in the future, I might have to get a job

> And I don't want to work

> I just want to sleep or die

>

> I am scared

> And I just want someone to hug me

> And protect me from this life

>

> I just want to die

> And I don't know how to do it

> I am afraid

> I know you cannot help me either

> And I write here anyway

> I want to die.

>

> I feel that I have big issues

> That I didn't deal with them

> And they all come up

> i am not going to run away to fantazy land

> By wanting things I cannot have

> I need to make peace with what I do have now

> I am too worried and scared

> And please don't ask me to do the work

> It doesn't work for me

>

> I want to die

> And maybe I should go to mental institute

> To calm down

> So I will not hurt myslef

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Tami,

i let your words be with me for a while now, since i read them a few

hrs ago. I think seeing a doctor, or bringing yourself to a caring

place, like a hospital, might be the most reasonable action for the

moment. I wish you all the best.

love, rose

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My story...

You just need to feel " accepted " ,

" loved " , " appreciated " , " wanted " ,

" needed " ...

[ my story...

You want to feel " warm " ! ]

and, I think you are TRULY

wanted, needed,loved, desired,

appreciated...

by many, many, many people!

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My story...

You just need to feel " accepted " ,

" loved " , " appreciated " , " wanted " ,

" needed " ...

[ my story...

You want to feel " warm " ! ]

and, I think you are TRULY

wanted, needed,loved, desired,

appreciated...

by many, many, many people!

What you ALWAYS keep " looking for "

....is what you ALREADY Have!

People do " love " you Tami

and they do INDEED like you...

People like me, people like

me, people like many on this forum,

people like your dad, people

like many around you...

Your " problem " is same as as the

problem of many of " us " ...

You [like US] put 'mental' 'condition'

around people who love you, people who

need you, want you... that they can not

meet...

and, when they DO meet those conditions,

you [like US] again change your conditions to somethings

that they can not meet!

One guy might like you, love you,

desire you, want you, need you... but, he might be married and not

" your " type!

One guy might like you, love you,

desire you, want you, need you... but, he might be married and in Berlin!

One guy might like you, love you,

desire you, want you, need you... but, he might be an Israeli!

So it is " YOU " who in the end, might " fail " EVERYONE that likes,

loves, desires or " need " you Tami!

[ ...and, you are just like US!

We too compain why people who love us don't excatly " match " the mental

picture that we have drawn for them!]

....and, that is your RIGHT!

You are " loved " Tami...

in spite of all the 'condition' you put around " loving " you!

[Funny thing is that you like all of us... still keep " pretending " to

be looking for " love " while you put all sort of blocakdes and

'condition' to STOP people from loving you!

Funny... isn't IT?

]

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dear tami.. i totally disagree with steve... you dont need a mental

institution..

Your not crazy..

your normal..

better than normal.. you can express yourself.

Im sorry you feel like you want to die.. i have off and on for many

years.. this too shall pass..

Actually i still have feelings of wanting to die.. but i know

its wanting to escape

stay here for us..

love you, roslyn---

In Loving-what-is , " Steve Daily " wrote:

>

> Dear Tami,

>

> We hear you and we care for you.

>

> You said:

> " And maybe I should go to mental institute To calm down So I will not

> hurt myself. "

>

> I would drop the " maybe " . (I know, talk!) but it is what I

> feel is true. I feel you should contact your Doctor and tell them

> this feeling of wanting to die. See what they can do for you.

>

> Also, Can you really know that death would be a help? Where is your

> proof? I personally do not know what efect deth will have on my

> thoughts?

>

> Love, Steve (old man) D.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Thank you fir your time

> > And thank you for listening to me

> > I have no one I can talk to and it is late atnight

> > And I cry and feel helpless and I want to die

> > The only thought that gives me hope

> > Is that I can try to kill myslef

> >

> > I feel that life is too hard on me

> > And I cannot cope

> > People give me advice all the time

> > What I should do

> > How I should take more responsibilit

> > And I feel that it is too complicate for me

> > I gave up on having babies cause it is too much for me

> > I don't care if I will not have a boy friend

> > And the only issue that force me to cope is the money issue

> > I don't mind not working either

> > But I don't want to live on the streets

> > And for now I have a home

> > But in the future, I might have to get a job

> > And I don't want to work

> > I just want to sleep or die

> >

> > I am scared

> > And I just want someone to hug me

> > And protect me from this life

> >

> > I just want to die

> > And I don't know how to do it

> > I am afraid

> > I know you cannot help me either

> > And I write here anyway

> > I want to die.

> >

> > I feel that I have big issues

> > That I didn't deal with them

> > And they all come up

> > i am not going to run away to fantazy land

> > By wanting things I cannot have

> > I need to make peace with what I do have now

> > I am too worried and scared

> > And please don't ask me to do the work

> > It doesn't work for me

> >

> > I want to die

> > And maybe I should go to mental institute

> > To calm down

> > So I will not hurt myslef

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear lovethework

I love you so much

You are such a loving person

I want to hug you (in my mind, no need to be panic)

> Hi Tami,

>

> The best antidote I have found to depressing and suicidal thoughts

> other than the Work is to help others.

Right, you are so wise :)

When you help someone else

> you don't have time to dwell on how unhappy you are.

I agree, and can you help me get out of bed

Cause that is something I need to do

To be able to help others

And I understand your point

I am doing the best I can

I might start volunteer working in local youth cultural center

As a helper to the social organizer

That is what I am suppose to do well

According to the graphology test

I was told that I am good with people

And I have the emotional ability to understand others

And help them by giving fast solutions to problems

I don't know if it is true!

Your country is

> currently torn apart by war, so it should be relatively easy to find

> someone to help on either side of the conflict. By giving love to

> those in need you get to remember the love in yourself.

You are so sweet, you know that?

Perhaps you

> could volunteer to be a nurses aid in a hospital treating wounded

> Israeli soldiers, or volunteer to help rebuild the homes in Southern

> Lebanon destroyed by the Israeli missiles. Remember your real job is

> to love, not to run away and try to kill yourself.

I am helping my dad as he gets is chimo treatment once a week

My dad thinks I am good at that

Cause I am a caring person

So twice a week is a beginning

>

> Have a gentle day and a long life :)

I want to give you a kiss

You are so lovable!

Thank you for being in this group

T

>

>

> " Sanity doesn't suffer, ever . . . Ever! Sanity doesn't suffer,

> ever, ever! Isn't that lovely? " Byron

>

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Dear Laurie

> and I would add to that- I think you have so much to offer people, a gift

of

> wisdom that flows out of you sometimes,

Drop the " sometimes " !

It would be a shame for people not

> to get that, if you kill yourself.

For me... When I suffer

I don't care about other people's happiness,

When I suffer...

I only care about my well being

> I would miss it and your funny ways.

I am not going anywhere, yet :)

> loving you as me, Laurie

Than

I hope that you love yourself :)

>

>

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Thank you fir your time

> > > And thank you for listening to me

> > > I have no one I can talk to and it is late atnight

> > > And I cry and feel helpless and I want to die

> > > The only thought that gives me hope

> > > Is that I can try to kill myslef

> > >

> >

> > Hi Tami,

> >

> > The best antidote I have found to depressing and suicidal thoughts

> > other than the Work is to help others. When you help someone else

> > you don't have time to dwell on how unhappy you are. Your country is

> > currently torn apart by war, so it should be relatively easy to find

> > someone to help on either side of the conflict. By giving love to

> > those in need you get to remember the love in yourself. Perhaps you

> > could volunteer to be a nurses aid in a hospital treating wounded

> > Israeli soldiers, or volunteer to help rebuild the homes in Southern

> > Lebanon destroyed by the Israeli missiles. Remember your real job is

> > to love, not to run away and try to kill yourself.

> >

> > Have a gentle day and a long life :)

> >

> > " Sanity doesn't suffer, ever . . . Ever! Sanity doesn't suffer,

> > ever, ever! Isn't that lovely? " Byron

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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Dear Theresa

Wowowowowow

Where have you been the entire time,

And why you don't write here more often

I never met anyone as loving as you are

Thank you for listening to be

I want to be your friend

Do you have skype, so we could talk?

Where do you live?

(I am from Israel)

T

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Hi Tami!

**My text is within yours below.

Thank you fir your time

And thank you for listening to me

I have no one I can talk to and it is late atnight

And I cry and feel helpless and I want to die

The only thought that gives me hope

Is that I can try to kill myslef

**It sounds like you're feeling really lonely, hopeless and

desperate and you really need people who can hear you and understand

the pain that you're feeling right now.

I feel that life is too hard on me

And I cannot cope

People give me advice all the time

What I should do

How I should take more responsibilit

And I feel that it is too complicate for me

I gave up on having babies cause it is too much for me

I don't care if I will not have a boy friend

And the only issue that force me to cope is the money issue

I don't mind not working either

But I don't want to live on the streets

And for now I have a home

But in the future, I might have to get a job

And I don't want to work

I just want to sleep or die

**Things are feeling pretty overwhelming and you are really wanting

a place that feels safe and nurturing.

I am scared

And I just want someone to hug me

And protect me from this life

**You are frightened and looking for gentleness and love in a world

that is not meeting your needs for safety, peace and harmony.

I just want to die

And I don't know how to do it

I am afraid

I know you cannot help me either

And I write here anyway

I want to die.

**You are feeling isolated and hopeless at really getting the

support and love that you need right now.

I feel that I have big issues

That I didn't deal with them

And they all come up

i am not going to run away to fantazy land

By wanting things I cannot have

I need to make peace with what I do have now

I am too worried and scared

And please don't ask me to do the work

It doesn't work for me

**You're feeling overwhelmed by problems and challenges and have a

need to make peace with them and with yourself and are needing

clarity as to how to go about accomplishing that.

I want to die

And maybe I should go to mental institute

To calm down

So I will not hurt myslef

**You are willing to consider options to meet your need for a safe

environment for yourself and provide yourself with the nurturing

that you need right now.

I hear you, my friend, and appreciate your openness and honest

expression and your desire to meet the needs that you are

experiencing right now.

Love, Light and Hugs,

Theresa

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Dear rose

Thank you for caring

I do have skype acount

I welcome you to join me, we can talk, that would be nice

My user name is tamar_fa

Second

You wrote

" Know that when we want to die. We don't really want to die, but

Want the hurt and pain to end. We feel that we do not have the

Strength and The hope any longer to be able to deal with what's going on. "

I agree, I don't want to die

I want my pain to stop

And I don't know how.

So I sleep a lot, and feel scared.

But I have a solution

I will call my psychologist that helped me 12 years ago

He is a genius, and I will ask him to help me :)

See you on skype, T

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Hey, oldie

> Also, Can you really know that death would be a help?

Don't take my last hope from me!

Where is your sensitivity?

> Love, Steve (old man) D.

Love, Tami (young women) F.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Thank you fir your time

> > And thank you for listening to me

> > I have no one I can talk to and it is late atnight

> > And I cry and feel helpless and I want to die

> > The only thought that gives me hope

> > Is that I can try to kill myslef

> >

> > I feel that life is too hard on me

> > And I cannot cope

> > People give me advice all the time

> > What I should do

> > How I should take more responsibilit

> > And I feel that it is too complicate for me

> > I gave up on having babies cause it is too much for me

> > I don't care if I will not have a boy friend

> > And the only issue that force me to cope is the money issue

> > I don't mind not working either

> > But I don't want to live on the streets

> > And for now I have a home

> > But in the future, I might have to get a job

> > And I don't want to work

> > I just want to sleep or die

> >

> > I am scared

> > And I just want someone to hug me

> > And protect me from this life

> >

> > I just want to die

> > And I don't know how to do it

> > I am afraid

> > I know you cannot help me either

> > And I write here anyway

> > I want to die.

> >

> > I feel that I have big issues

> > That I didn't deal with them

> > And they all come up

> > I am not going to run away to fantazy land

> > By wanting things I cannot have

> > I need to make peace with what I do have now

> > I am too worried and scared

> > And please don't ask me to do the work

> > It doesn't work for me

> >

> > I want to die

> > And maybe I should go to mental institute

> > To calm down

> > So I will not hurt myslef

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear R

What is normal???

No two people are alike, so what is normal than?

Normal doesn't exist therefore I am not normal

Nor un-normal

I am Tami, and I had an anxiety attack

And I needed help

" stay here for us.. "

My ego loves this last sentence

Can you elaborate?

T

-- Re: I want to die

dear tami.. i totally disagree with steve... you dont need a mental

institution..

Your not crazy..

your normal..

better than normal.. you can express yourself.

Im sorry you feel like you want to die.. i have off and on for many

years.. this too shall pass..

Actually i still have feelings of wanting to die.. but i know

its wanting to escape

stay here for us..

love you, roslyn---

In Loving-what-is , " Steve Daily " wrote:

>

> Dear Tami,

>

> We hear you and we care for you.

>

> You said:

> " And maybe I should go to mental institute To calm down So I will not

> hurt myself. "

>

> I would drop the " maybe " . (I know, talk!) but it is what I

> feel is true. I feel you should contact your Doctor and tell them

> this feeling of wanting to die. See what they can do for you.

>

> Also, Can you really know that death would be a help? Where is your

> proof? I personally do not know what efect deth will have on my

> thoughts?

>

> Love, Steve (old man) D.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Thank you fir your time

> > And thank you for listening to me

> > I have no one I can talk to and it is late atnight

> > And I cry and feel helpless and I want to die

> > The only thought that gives me hope

> > Is that I can try to kill myslef

> >

> > I feel that life is too hard on me

> > And I cannot cope

> > People give me advice all the time

> > What I should do

> > How I should take more responsibilit

> > And I feel that it is too complicate for me

> > I gave up on having babies cause it is too much for me

> > I don't care if I will not have a boy friend

> > And the only issue that force me to cope is the money issue

> > I don't mind not working either

> > But I don't want to live on the streets

> > And for now I have a home

> > But in the future, I might have to get a job

> > And I don't want to work

> > I just want to sleep or die

> >

> > I am scared

> > And I just want someone to hug me

> > And protect me from this life

> >

> > I just want to die

> > And I don't know how to do it

> > I am afraid

> > I know you cannot help me either

> > And I write here anyway

> > I want to die.

> >

> > I feel that I have big issues

> > That I didn't deal with them

> > And they all come up

> > i am not going to run away to fantazy land

> > By wanting things I cannot have

> > I need to make peace with what I do have now

> > I am too worried and scared

> > And please don't ask me to do the work

> > It doesn't work for me

> >

> > I want to die

> > And maybe I should go to mental institute

> > To calm down

> > So I will not hurt myslef

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dali

I know that people love me

So?

What is not to love?

That is not the reason I wanted to die

I had a " good " reason to die:

I am not independent financially

So, if I knew that someone would take care of me financially

Or give me food and shelter for the rest of my life

I wouldn't have any reason to be scared and down

Kapish?

T

-- Re: I want to die

My story...

You just need to feel " accepted " ,

" loved " , " appreciated " , " wanted " ,

" needed " ...

[ my story...

You want to feel " warm " ! ]

and, I think you are TRULY

wanted, needed,loved, desired,

appreciated...

by many, many, many people!

What you ALWAYS keep " looking for "

......is what you ALREADY Have!

People do " love " you Tami

and they do INDEED like you...

People like me, people like

me, people like many on this forum,

people like your dad, people

like many around you...

Your " problem " is same as as the

problem of many of " us " ...

You [like US] put 'mental' 'condition'

around people who love you, people who

need you, want you... that they can not

meet...

and, when they DO meet those conditions,

you [like US] again change your conditions to somethings

that they can not meet!

One guy might like you, love you,

desire you, want you, need you... but, he might be married and not

" your " type!

One guy might like you, love you,

desire you, want you, need you... but, he might be married and in Berlin!

One guy might like you, love you,

desire you, want you, need you... but, he might be an Israeli!

So it is " YOU " who in the end, might " fail " EVERYONE that likes,

loves, desires or " need " you Tami!

[ ...and, you are just like US!

We too compain why people who love us don't excatly " match " the mental

picture that we have drawn for them!]

......and, that is your RIGHT!

You are " loved " Tami...

in spite of all the 'condition' you put around " loving " you!

[Funny thing is that you like all of us... still keep " pretending " to

be looking for " love " while you put all sort of blocakdes and

'condition' to STOP people from loving you!

Funny... isn't IT?

]

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Dear Tami,

i hear that your latest words came from a somewhat different space.

sounds like a reasonable idea to contact your former therapist.

good/clear thinking.

i do have to take some hurdles with skype. but thanks for letting me

(us) know about your skype adress/name. perhaps someone else will pop

up. you never know. ; )

love and fine wishes for your unique path, rose

> Dear rose

>

> Thank you for caring

> I do have skype acount

....

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Hi Tami!

I would love to connect through skype with you. I currently don't

have an account. I am happy to look into and setting that up and I

hope to have that done sometime today and then I'll let you know

what my account name is. I live in Washington State in the US. I'm

not sure how that works with the time zones but I feel confident

that we'll find a time that can work well for both of us to visit.

Talk to you soon

Love, Light and Hugs to you,

Theresa

>

> Dear Theresa

>

> Wowowowowow

>

> Where have you been the entire time,

> And why you don't write here more often

>

> I never met anyone as loving as you are

>

> Thank you for listening to be

> I want to be your friend

> Do you have skype, so we could talk?

> Where do you live?

> (I am from Israel)

>

> T

>

>

> -- Re: I want to die

>

> Hi Tami!

>

> **My text is within yours below.

>

> Thank you fir your time

> And thank you for listening to me

> I have no one I can talk to and it is late atnight

> And I cry and feel helpless and I want to die

> The only thought that gives me hope

> Is that I can try to kill myslef

>

> **It sounds like you're feeling really lonely, hopeless and

> desperate and you really need people who can hear you and

understand

> the pain that you're feeling right now.

>

> I feel that life is too hard on me

> And I cannot cope

> People give me advice all the time

> What I should do

> How I should take more responsibilit

> And I feel that it is too complicate for me

> I gave up on having babies cause it is too much for me

> I don't care if I will not have a boy friend

> And the only issue that force me to cope is the money issue

> I don't mind not working either

> But I don't want to live on the streets

> And for now I have a home

> But in the future, I might have to get a job

> And I don't want to work

> I just want to sleep or die

>

> **Things are feeling pretty overwhelming and you are really

wanting

> a place that feels safe and nurturing.

>

> I am scared

> And I just want someone to hug me

> And protect me from this life

>

> **You are frightened and looking for gentleness and love in a

world

> that is not meeting your needs for safety, peace and harmony.

>

> I just want to die

> And I don't know how to do it

> I am afraid

> I know you cannot help me either

> And I write here anyway

> I want to die.

>

> **You are feeling isolated and hopeless at really getting the

> support and love that you need right now.

>

> I feel that I have big issues

> That I didn't deal with them

> And they all come up

> i am not going to run away to fantazy land

> By wanting things I cannot have

> I need to make peace with what I do have now

> I am too worried and scared

> And please don't ask me to do the work

> It doesn't work for me

>

> **You're feeling overwhelmed by problems and challenges and have a

> need to make peace with them and with yourself and are needing

> clarity as to how to go about accomplishing that.

>

> I want to die

> And maybe I should go to mental institute

> To calm down

> So I will not hurt myslef

>

> **You are willing to consider options to meet your need for a safe

> environment for yourself and provide yourself with the nurturing

> that you need right now.

>

> I hear you, my friend, and appreciate your openness and honest

> expression and your desire to meet the needs that you are

> experiencing right now.

>

> Love, Light and Hugs,

>

> Theresa

>

>

>

>

>

>

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dear tami.. stay here for us..

means i get help from your emails.

and i enjoy your funny emails..

so i would miss your presence on this group.. and

im sure others would.. so you are helping people maybe when

you dont know it.

love, roslyn--

- In Loving-what-is , Tami wrote:

>

> Dear R

> What is normal???

> No two people are alike, so what is normal than?

> Normal doesn't exist therefore I am not normal

> Nor un-normal

>

> I am Tami, and I had an anxiety attack

> And I needed help

>

> " stay here for us.. "

>

> My ego loves this last sentence

> Can you elaborate?

>

> T

>

>

>

> -- Re: I want to die

>

> dear tami.. i totally disagree with steve... you dont need a mental

> institution..

> Your not crazy..

> your normal..

> better than normal.. you can express yourself.

> Im sorry you feel like you want to die.. i have off and on for many

> years.. this too shall pass..

> Actually i still have feelings of wanting to die.. but i know

> its wanting to escape

> stay here for us..

> love you, roslyn---

>

> In Loving-what-is , " Steve Daily " <lafdaily@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tami,

> >

> > We hear you and we care for you.

> >

> > You said:

> > " And maybe I should go to mental institute To calm down So I will not

> > hurt myself. "

> >

> > I would drop the " maybe " . (I know, talk!) but it is what I

> > feel is true. I feel you should contact your Doctor and tell them

> > this feeling of wanting to die. See what they can do for you.

> >

> > Also, Can you really know that death would be a help? Where is your

> > proof? I personally do not know what efect deth will have on my

> > thoughts?

> >

> > Love, Steve (old man) D.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Thank you fir your time

> > > And thank you for listening to me

> > > I have no one I can talk to and it is late atnight

> > > And I cry and feel helpless and I want to die

> > > The only thought that gives me hope

> > > Is that I can try to kill myslef

> > >

> > > I feel that life is too hard on me

> > > And I cannot cope

> > > People give me advice all the time

> > > What I should do

> > > How I should take more responsibilit

> > > And I feel that it is too complicate for me

> > > I gave up on having babies cause it is too much for me

> > > I don't care if I will not have a boy friend

> > > And the only issue that force me to cope is the money issue

> > > I don't mind not working either

> > > But I don't want to live on the streets

> > > And for now I have a home

> > > But in the future, I might have to get a job

> > > And I don't want to work

> > > I just want to sleep or die

> > >

> > > I am scared

> > > And I just want someone to hug me

> > > And protect me from this life

> > >

> > > I just want to die

> > > And I don't know how to do it

> > > I am afraid

> > > I know you cannot help me either

> > > And I write here anyway

> > > I want to die.

> > >

> > > I feel that I have big issues

> > > That I didn't deal with them

> > > And they all come up

> > > i am not going to run away to fantazy land

> > > By wanting things I cannot have

> > > I need to make peace with what I do have now

> > > I am too worried and scared

> > > And please don't ask me to do the work

> > > It doesn't work for me

> > >

> > > I want to die

> > > And maybe I should go to mental institute

> > > To calm down

> > > So I will not hurt myslef

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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--dear tami..

also your right there is no normal or abnormal..

And pscyhs. have to label people to create a reason for there own

existance.

my friend was a nurse at a pscyh ward and she said the staff was

crazier than the patients.. however now she is on a number of drugs..

and retired.. and going to a therapist .

oh well..i guess we all have our own paths to take and they are all

good.. love, roslyn

mi- In Loving-what-is , Tami wrote:

>

> Dear R

> What is normal???

> No two people are alike, so what is normal than?

> Normal doesn't exist therefore I am not normal

> Nor un-normal

>

> I am Tami, and I had an anxiety attack

> And I needed help

>

> " stay here for us.. "

>

> My ego loves this last sentence

> Can you elaborate?

>

> T

>

>

>

> -- Re: I want to die

>

> dear tami.. i totally disagree with steve... you dont need a mental

> institution..

> Your not crazy..

> your normal..

> better than normal.. you can express yourself.

> Im sorry you feel like you want to die.. i have off and on for many

> years.. this too shall pass..

> Actually i still have feelings of wanting to die.. but i know

> its wanting to escape

> stay here for us..

> love you, roslyn---

>

> In Loving-what-is , " Steve Daily " <lafdaily@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tami,

> >

> > We hear you and we care for you.

> >

> > You said:

> > " And maybe I should go to mental institute To calm down So I will not

> > hurt myself. "

> >

> > I would drop the " maybe " . (I know, talk!) but it is what I

> > feel is true. I feel you should contact your Doctor and tell them

> > this feeling of wanting to die. See what they can do for you.

> >

> > Also, Can you really know that death would be a help? Where is your

> > proof? I personally do not know what efect deth will have on my

> > thoughts?

> >

> > Love, Steve (old man) D.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Thank you fir your time

> > > And thank you for listening to me

> > > I have no one I can talk to and it is late atnight

> > > And I cry and feel helpless and I want to die

> > > The only thought that gives me hope

> > > Is that I can try to kill myslef

> > >

> > > I feel that life is too hard on me

> > > And I cannot cope

> > > People give me advice all the time

> > > What I should do

> > > How I should take more responsibilit

> > > And I feel that it is too complicate for me

> > > I gave up on having babies cause it is too much for me

> > > I don't care if I will not have a boy friend

> > > And the only issue that force me to cope is the money issue

> > > I don't mind not working either

> > > But I don't want to live on the streets

> > > And for now I have a home

> > > But in the future, I might have to get a job

> > > And I don't want to work

> > > I just want to sleep or die

> > >

> > > I am scared

> > > And I just want someone to hug me

> > > And protect me from this life

> > >

> > > I just want to die

> > > And I don't know how to do it

> > > I am afraid

> > > I know you cannot help me either

> > > And I write here anyway

> > > I want to die.

> > >

> > > I feel that I have big issues

> > > That I didn't deal with them

> > > And they all come up

> > > i am not going to run away to fantazy land

> > > By wanting things I cannot have

> > > I need to make peace with what I do have now

> > > I am too worried and scared

> > > And please don't ask me to do the work

> > > It doesn't work for me

> > >

> > > I want to die

> > > And maybe I should go to mental institute

> > > To calm down

> > > So I will not hurt myslef

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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