Re: In need of URGENT advice on the decontamination process.

[Guest guest]

In regards to the hotel chain, the only chain which I've experienced

on in the East and West so far is Country Inn and Suites. I am

extremely mold/chemical sensitive. Everyone is different but you may

want to check it out. So sorry for your ordeal but we all understand

your situation!

[Guest guest]

Dr. Kaye Kilburn,

http://www.neuro-test.com

626-798-4299

KHKilburn@...

Dr. Shoemaker

410-957-1550

ritchieshoemaker@...

People often get worse for a while. Often they get better after a while,

too. Especially on the superficial things.

Not always, but often. But people doing demanding things seem rarely can go

back to them.

[Guest guest]

sorry your going through this, I was exposed to those too, along with

a few more toxigenix fungi's. I have to say that my experience with

hotel rooms haven't been the greatest. changed rooms 3 times in one

hotel before I got one that didn't aggervate my illness.

when I first got out of my moldy situation, no one told me much of

anything and I didn'r know anything on the subject. I was stumbling

around for 3 years, place to place with no relief. a short term

herbal detoc may of helped but made me sick to the point I couldn't

continue. and right back to exposures adding up to toxin overloads on

my body. yes, I have MCS/toxin intolerence. I knew, the first time I

read something on it. a long story short, if you have this, get rid

of all perfumed products,shampoo's,soaps,lotions,ect. all powers like

carpet powders,sprays, anything that can contain chemicals, make sure

air system is clean. a room without carpet would help. wash

everything down yourself, bring in your own sheets and

blankets,towels,ect. dont use hotels. all free and clear laundry

detergent is good. no dryer sheets. these could go a long way in

helping your reactive state mellow out and surely cant hurt even if

you dont think you have MCS or even believe it is a real illness.

you might be pleasently supprized at how much this helps. worth a try.

--- In , " moldhostage " <moldhostage@...>

wrote:

>

> We were exposed to Chaetomium and Stachybotrys after a botched

> remediation and are desperately trying to decontaminate. We are

> following Dr. ph Klein's protocol of changing hotels / hotel

> rooms, replacing clothing, and are routinely shaving our heads,

> eyebrows, arms, legs, etc. We have gone through a combination of 25

> hotels/hotel rooms, discarding our clothing prior to the entrance

at

> each changeover for the past six weeks.

[Guest guest]

To what degree were you exposed to these two genus... do you know the

exact speciation? Spores or CFU / M3? How long were you exposed?

How do you know you have been recontaminated? I would love to help

you but these are important questions.

--- In , " moldhostage " <moldhostage@...>

wrote:

>

> We were exposed to Chaetomium and Stachybotrys after a botched

> remediation and are desperately trying to decontaminate. We are

> following Dr. ph Klein's protocol of changing hotels / hotel

> rooms, replacing clothing, and are routinely shaving our heads,

> eyebrows, arms, legs, etc. We have gone through a combination of 25

> hotels/hotel rooms, discarding our clothing prior to the entrance at

> each changeover for the past six weeks. However, we are still

> experiencing symptoms which include aberrant sensations i.e.,

> vibrations/pulsations, sleep disturbances, difficulty concentrating,

> psycho-motor slowing, fatigue, headaches, and skin-rashes. We have

> not removed our eyelashes but are trying to remove the spores by

> vigorously rubbing them with a dry paper towel. We have had temporary

> relief from this method but quickly seem to recontaminate. In your

> opinion, at this point, would it be advisable to trim and or remove

> our eyelashes and/or hair inside sensory organs, e.g., nose/ears?

> In addition, one of us is in need of dental crowns but are

> concerned that mold spores will be sealed permanently into/under the

> new crowns. Suddenly while on our hotel jaunt, one of us is

> experiencing a problem with existing porcelain crowns. Within the

> last two weeks, they appear to be discintegrating. Could these porus

> crowns also be be exascerbating our problem? Furthermore, we have

> not given up one dental night-guard or one pair of mandatory eye-

> glasses. Another concern is that we are fearful of contaminating the

> dental office. Also, can anyone recommend a hotel chain(s) that is

> better for those with chemical sensitivities / mold toxicities? Any

> advice on any/all of these issues would be more than greatly

> appreciated.

> We are at our wits end.

> Signed,

> Two Homeless Desperate Souls,

> One who is currently a disabled Neuroscientist

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for responding. I don't yet know about CFU or M3 (I'm waiting

for a response from the industrial hygienist about this). Here are some more

details about what happened: I had symptoms that I recognized as being mold

related--respiratory symptoms and a bad taste in my mouth in the kitchen and

bathroom. I saw black mold under the sink, and called a remediation team. The

walls were opened up, the remediation team went around the house with the suits

they had on in the containment, and then they brought out several items to us,

including a stack of papers. Testing by an industrial hygienist afterwards

revealed chaetomium and stachybotrys on several tape lift samples in other areas

of the house. Although we evacuated the house just before the walls were opened,

we had the stack of papers with us that the remediation team brought out.

Several weeks later, we handled those papers and we both had immediate onset of

symptoms, including abnormal

sensations/pulsations/vibrations that we still can't get rid of. This was about

6 weeks ago, and I have only had about 2 hours of relief in all this time. We

also have chemical sensitivity and are very familiar with environmental illness

and contamination issues. I'll write again when I can get more details from the

industrial hygienist, but if you have any suggestions in the meantime that could

help alleviate our suffering, we would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you very much again.

Mold hostage

[Guest guest]

One more thing--I am very concerned about my needed dental work. Do you think

that mold spores can get underneath new crowns while they are being done, and

get trapped permanently into my teeth? Is it inadvisable to have dental crowns

put in when one is contaminated with mold?

Thanks very much,

Mold hostage

[Guest guest]

Where is the cholestyramine in this picture? Do they even know about it or

Dr. Shoemaker's therapy for mold toxins?

[Guest guest]

How do I get in touch with a remediation team?

>From: Oldy Moldy <moldhostage@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: [] Re: In need of URGENT advice on the

>decontamination process.

>Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 22:05:15 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Thank you so much for responding. I don't yet know about CFU or M3 (I'm

>waiting for a response from the industrial hygienist about this). Here are

>some more details about what happened: I had symptoms that I recognized as

>being mold related--respiratory symptoms and a bad taste in my mouth in the

>kitchen and bathroom. I saw black mold under the sink, and called a

>remediation team. The walls were opened up, the remediation team went

>around the house with the suits they had on in the containment, and then

>they brought out several items to us, including a stack of papers. Testing

>by an industrial hygienist afterwards revealed chaetomium and stachybotrys

>on several tape lift samples in other areas of the house. Although we

>evacuated the house just before the walls were opened, we had the stack of

>papers with us that the remediation team brought out. Several weeks later,

>we handled those papers and we both had immediate onset of symptoms,

>including abnormal

> sensations/pulsations/vibrations that we still can't get rid of. This was

>about 6 weeks ago, and I have only had about 2 hours of relief in all this

>time. We also have chemical sensitivity and are very familiar with

>environmental illness and contamination issues. I'll write again when I can

>get more details from the industrial hygienist, but if you have any

>suggestions in the meantime that could help alleviate our suffering, we

>would greatly appreciate it.

>

> Thank you very much again.

>

> Mold hostage

>

_________________________________________________________________

http://liveearth.msn.com

[Guest guest]

Here are some details provided by the industrial hygienist who did the testing:

17 Burkhard spore trap air samples were taken (15 indoor and 2 outdoor), along

with 11 tape lift samples. Outdoors, there were 1875 fungal structures/M3.

Indoors, there were between 150 and 975 fungal structures/M3. However, the

industrial hygienist agreed that the indoor numbers may be artificially lowered

because, due to my chemical sensitivity, I spent the last year wiping the

walls/floors/ceilings/objects with hydrogen peroxide on a very regular basis.

Tape lift samples showed 2/11 with fungal growth. The spore trap air samples and

the tape lift samples reveal both living and non-living fungal structures.

Some examples of Burkhard air samples in various areas of the house:

a) Air samples in Kitchen (80 liters of air) indicated 975 spores/M3, with a

debris rating of 1. These consisted of ascospores, aspergillis/penecillium, and

basidiospores.

Air samples in the hallway indicated 713 spores/M3, consisting of 25

ascospores, 25 aspergillis/penecillium, 638 basidiospores, 13 chaetomium, and 13

cladosporum.

c) Air samples in the living room indicated 688 spores/M3, including 13

chaetomium, 50 cladosporium, 15 hyphae, 463 basidiospores, 138 ascospores, and

13 aspergillis/penecillium.

Tape lift samples: 2/11 indicated stachybotrys chartarum (trace) fungal

contamination.

Overall, chaetomium was found airborne in 2 areas, as well as on tape lift.

Stachybotrys was found on tape lift.

The house did not pass post-abatement testing.

After the walls were opened up in the kitchen, the remediation team walked

around the house with the suits from inside the containment still on, and

brought out papers that were in the hallway ( above. It was when these papers

were handled that we became contaminated and still cannot decontaminate after 7

weeks. (See details of this story in a prior post sent last night).

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you very much,

Mold hostage

jrbilotta <jason@...> wrote:

To what degree were you exposed to these two genus... do you know the

exact speciation? Spores or CFU / M3? How long were you exposed?

How do you know you have been recontaminated? I would love to help

you but these are important questions.

--- In , " moldhostage " <moldhostage@...>

wrote:

>

> We were exposed to Chaetomium and Stachybotrys after a botched

> remediation and are desperately trying to decontaminate. We are

> following Dr. ph Klein's protocol of changing hotels / hotel

> rooms, replacing clothing, and are routinely shaving our heads,

> eyebrows, arms, legs, etc. We have gone through a combination of 25

> hotels/hotel rooms, discarding our clothing prior to the entrance at

> each changeover for the past six weeks. However, we are still

> experiencing symptoms which include aberrant sensations i.e.,

> vibrations/pulsations, sleep disturbances, difficulty concentrating,

> psycho-motor slowing, fatigue, headaches, and skin-rashes. We have

> not removed our eyelashes but are trying to remove the spores by

> vigorously rubbing them with a dry paper towel. We have had temporary

> relief from this method but quickly seem to recontaminate. In your

> opinion, at this point, would it be advisable to trim and or remove

> our eyelashes and/or hair inside sensory organs, e.g., nose/ears?

> In addition, one of us is in need of dental crowns but are

> concerned that mold spores will be sealed permanently into/under the

> new crowns. Suddenly while on our hotel jaunt, one of us is

> experiencing a problem with existing porcelain crowns. Within the

> last two weeks, they appear to be discintegrating. Could these porus

> crowns also be be exascerbating our problem? Furthermore, we have

> not given up one dental night-guard or one pair of mandatory eye-

> glasses. Another concern is that we are fearful of contaminating the

> dental office. Also, can anyone recommend a hotel chain(s) that is

> better for those with chemical sensitivities / mold toxicities? Any

> advice on any/all of these issues would be more than greatly

> appreciated.

> We are at our wits end.

> Signed,

> Two Homeless Desperate Souls,

> One who is currently a disabled Neuroscientist

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi, thanks for responding. We are new to mold and we never heard of

cholestyramine or Dr. Shoemaker's therapy. Can you please provide more

information about what these are?

Thanks so much,

Mold hostage

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

Where is the cholestyramine in this picture? Do they even know about

it or

Dr. Shoemaker's therapy for mold toxins?

[Guest guest]

Moldy, Check out www.chronicneurotoxins.com

You can take the Contrast Sensitivity test online to determine extent

of neuro damage from toxins. Dr. Shoemaker (in Pocomoke, Md) wrote

Mold Warriors, which I highly reccomend reading. Cholestyramine

(Questran) is a cholesterol binding drug that binds toxins in your body

to keep them from recirculating and then they go down the potty! I've

been on this (on my own) for months now & have seen improvement in my

symptoms more than with any other treatment I've been on; don't think

I'll ever be without it! I wish you well on your quest to regain

health!

Hugs, Cheryl

[Guest guest]

I have never heard about shaving your head, arms, etc. Anyone else

hear about doing this. I wonder why they can't wash it with vinegar or

something. I am not sure about the dental crowns. Sometimes they

discuss that stuff on the MCS site. You can join.

ChemicalInjurySupport : CIS

>

> We were exposed to Chaetomium and Stachybotrys after a botched

> remediation and are desperately trying to decontaminate. We are

> following Dr. ph Klein's protocol of changing hotels / hotel

> rooms, replacing clothing, and are routinely shaving our heads,

> eyebrows, arms, legs, etc. We have gone through a combination of 25

> hotels/hotel rooms, discarding our clothing prior to the entrance at

[Guest guest]

I think they are in the same kind of panic I was in when I moved out of the

moldy apt. and found that the neuro issues continued to get worse for a long

while. Many people think that they can move out and then just go back to

where they were before but I doubt if it often if ever works out that way.

Thats a difficult thing to deal with. The sooner you can just stop freaking

out about it the sooner you can start the little steps towards survival.

That stress is a huge problem for people, many people have lost jobs and

they often have BIG financial problems and are often also dealing with

homelessness and loss of all their possessions and need to replace them.

My advice to them is to stop spending money because you may not be able to

work for a long time and when you do your income may be a lot smaller than

what you are used to. Find a safe and mold free place you can spend a long

time without spending a lot of money. Maybe you will be able to heal enough

to get back into your field. Try to keep your mind active and try to stay

involved in your field. Since you said you were in neuroscience, look at

this as a golden opportunity to REALLY learn something in a way that few

scientists do, by experience. Keep a journal. Write down observations about

the minutiae of what you notice happening to you.

Luckily, mold may effect your ability but it can't take your degree away.

Unfortunately, self-taught people have the most to lose.

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for your response. The most urgent issue now is how to

decontaminate ourselves, as I think that must come before looking for a longer

term place to live. It feels like the mold spores are " stuck " to our hair and

eyelashes, etc. Has anyone heard of this?

If anyone has advice/comments on this issue, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Mold hostage

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your response. We've already joined the MCS group--they are very

helpful.

Mold hostage

ldelp84227 <ldelp84227@...> wrote:

I have never heard about shaving your head, arms, etc. Anyone else

hear about doing this. I wonder why they can't wash it with vinegar or

something. I am not sure about the dental crowns. Sometimes they

discuss that stuff on the MCS site. You can join.

ChemicalInjurySupport : CIS

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Cheryl, for your response. I just checked out the interesting website.

Any idea how to get a new copy of Mold Warriors? It was out of print when I

checked Amazon.

Cheryl <sunbum256@...> wrote: Moldy, Check out

www.chronicneurotoxins.com

You can take the Contrast Sensitivity test online to determine extent

of neuro damage from toxins. Dr. Shoemaker (in Pocomoke, Md) wrote

Mold Warriors, which I highly reccomend reading. Cholestyramine

(Questran) is a cholesterol binding drug that binds toxins in your body

to keep them from recirculating and then they go down the potty! I've

been on this (on my own) for months now & have seen improvement in my

symptoms more than with any other treatment I've been on; don't think

I'll ever be without it! I wish you well on your quest to regain

health!

Hugs, Cheryl

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[Guest guest]

are these test results pre-remediation or post-remediation?

Also, where was the stachy found (ie lifted off a wall or in a cavity?

Did the hygienist put together a remediation protocol or was the

scope of work determined by the remediation contractor?

Is the hygienist working with you or the contractor to resolve this?

> >

> > We were exposed to Chaetomium and Stachybotrys after a botched

> > remediation and are desperately trying to decontaminate. We are

> > following Dr. ph Klein's protocol of changing hotels / hotel

> > rooms, replacing clothing, and are routinely shaving our heads,

> > eyebrows, arms, legs, etc. We have gone through a combination of 25

> > hotels/hotel rooms, discarding our clothing prior to the entrance at

> > each changeover for the past six weeks. However, we are still

> > experiencing symptoms which include aberrant sensations i.e.,

> > vibrations/pulsations, sleep disturbances, difficulty concentrating,

> > psycho-motor slowing, fatigue, headaches, and skin-rashes. We have

> > not removed our eyelashes but are trying to remove the spores by

> > vigorously rubbing them with a dry paper towel. We have had temporary

> > relief from this method but quickly seem to recontaminate. In your

> > opinion, at this point, would it be advisable to trim and or remove

> > our eyelashes and/or hair inside sensory organs, e.g., nose/ears?

> > In addition, one of us is in need of dental crowns but are

> > concerned that mold spores will be sealed permanently into/under the

> > new crowns. Suddenly while on our hotel jaunt, one of us is

> > experiencing a problem with existing porcelain crowns. Within the

> > last two weeks, they appear to be discintegrating. Could these porus

> > crowns also be be exascerbating our problem? Furthermore, we have

> > not given up one dental night-guard or one pair of mandatory eye-

> > glasses. Another concern is that we are fearful of contaminating the

> > dental office. Also, can anyone recommend a hotel chain(s) that is

> > better for those with chemical sensitivities / mold toxicities? Any

> > advice on any/all of these issues would be more than greatly

> > appreciated.

> > We are at our wits end.

> > Signed,

> > Two Homeless Desperate Souls,

> > One who is currently a disabled Neuroscientist

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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Games.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Moldy, You can order Mold Warriors & Desperation Medicine (highly rec.

both!) through Dr. Shoe's website. I think Mold Warriors has a web

site, that's where I ordered mine when I requested the paperwork needed

to schedule an appt. with him.

Good luck to you!

Hugs, Cheryl

[Guest guest]

These results are post-remediation. The walls and floor were opened, parts

containing visible mold were removed and replaced by the remediation team, and

an independent industrial hygienist then tested on another day. The stachy was

found on floors in the vicinity of the remediation work, and also on a desk on

another floor (where the remediation workers walked after opening the walls).

The desk was where the papers were that the workers had retrieved for us after

the work was done downstairs. The stachy as well as the chaetomium were found on

tape lift samples. The remediation team determined the work based on what they

could see on site and then did the work themselves. Apparently, there wasn't a

proper evaluation done, nor scope of work determined. The team kept extending

the job and came back over three days. We didn't have a hygienist until

afterwards. Another team subsequently came in to evaluate the additional

remediation to be done, but indicated that there's still

no definitive scope of work. They requested that we ask the hygienist to return

if necessary and write up a scope of further remediation. How should this

process be directed and organized?

We do not plan to return to the house, at the advice of our physicians.

However, even though we have evacuated, we are sicker now than before the work

was done. Our biggest struggle is how to decontaminate ourselves from the mold.

The problem is our exposure to the papers that were brought out to us, and

although the papers have now been discarded, we cannot seem to get the mold off

of ourselves. We have also discarded the clothing we were wearing at the time,

and have few things with us (limited to eyeglassess, driver's license, and a

dental nightguard). Any ideas as to how we can decontaminate? We feel like it's

even in our eyelashes.

Thank you very much for any advice you can provide.

[Guest guest]

Whoa..

Have you ever thought that your sickness may be an injury. That maybe you

have decontaminated as much as you can and that at this point that you need

to start thinking " WE NEED MEDICAL TREATMENT " ?

NONE of us here are doctors and I have a string feeling that the questions

you are asking are rat this point, really ones that can only be answered by

a very small number of doctors who have intimate experience with these

issues. If you can afford it, you really should find a good one that you can

get to and start getting care for this.

Take it from someone who knows, your time is precious.

I am trying to get care through managed care because of money issues and its

like walking around in circles with a ring in your nose on a stick, you

never get anywhere.. YOU HAVE TO FIGURE IT ALL OUT ON YOUR OWN...THE OTHER

DOCTORS DON'T KNOW OR CARE THAT MUCH... They deal with the same 100 diseases

day in and day out and if you have something like mold illness they have NO

IDEA what to do.

Seriously, if you can afford it, don't mess around, go to one of the VERY

FEW DOCTORS who know enough about this suff to jump start your treatment and

do whatever it takes to try to get you better.

: |

[Guest guest]

Can you tell us who these doctors are? Any in the NYC metro area? Thanks.

[Guest guest]

> We do not plan to return to the house, at the advice of our

>physicians. However, even though we have evacuated, we are

>sicker now than before the work was done. Our biggest struggle

>is how to decontaminate ourselves from the mold. The problem is

>our exposure to the papers that were brought out to us, and

>although the papers have now been discarded, we cannot seem to get

>the mold off of ourselves. We have also discarded the clothing we

>were wearing at the time, and have few things with us (limited

>to eyeglassess, driver's license, and a dental nightguard).

>Any ideas as to how we can decontaminate? We feel like it's

>even in our eyelashes.

From my experience, I don't think Stachy mycotoxins stick to body hair

so much. However, they do have amazing affinity for PLASTIC, all other

things made of synthetic materials, and surprisingly porcelain dishes.

Some harder types of plastic (such as that which is used for computer

keyboards) are much more resistant to mycotoxins. The worst are

plastic credit cards, personal ID cards and driver's licences. They

act like a sponge for mycotoxins and entrap them. The situation is

even worse if these cards have a tiny metallic and / or other embedded

parts. The mycotoxins just get stuck there and can't be removed at

all. Then they slowly release the toxins for indefinite amount of time

and can contaminate lots of other objects.

The same holds true for porcelain dishes. If your dental nightguard is

made of acrylic material, then it can also act as a mycotoxin sponge.

My glasses have a metal frame and genuine glass lenses. They have

survived all contaminations so far. If your glasses are of the same

materials I guess they can be saved (only wash them with detergent).

If your glasses are made of some plastic material, they cannot be saved.

Only a few days ago I went to my aunt's house which is totally clean

of mycotoxins. This had been my main escape plan. My clothes were

clean but I carried with myself one contaminated plastic electron card

which I wrapped in several plastic bags. I thought the bags would

protect the surface on which the card was left. I was wrong. The card

was left on a PVC floor in the new house. I was fine for several days,

and had a good nights sleep for the first time since March... but then

when I knelt on that floor to wipe it I sensed terrible mycotoxin

hits. All in all, one little contaminated visa electron credit card

managed to contaminate a PVC floor, a bedding and a dishwasher in a

completely clean house. Even though it was wrapped in several plastic

bags! I had to run from there, as I had no idea how to decontaminate

the bedding.

So my advice is, try once more full decontamination accoriding to Dr.

Klein's protocol but this time get rid of ALL plastic cards, plastic

eyeglasses (or if they contain plastic parts), and dental nightguard

(if it is also made of plastic). Just trash them and say you lost

them. Lie if you must. Obtain brand new ones.

They can be temporarily held in a sealed glass jar, but that's not a

good solution for a longer time. And every time they are used you

will be exposed again.

I have no doubt whatsoever that certain plastic items, however small,

can adsorb massive amounts of mycotoxins. Again, this is from my

experience. I don't claim to be an authority on this. If this doesn't

help, seek medical help from a mold savvy doctor.

-Branislav

[Guest guest]

> My glasses have a metal frame and genuine glass lenses. They have

> survived all contaminations so far. If your glasses are of the same

> materials I guess they can be saved (only wash them with detergent).

> If your glasses are made of some plastic material, they cannot be

> saved.

Just to make a correction to this part:

It seems that even painted metal (for instance cooking pots) can

absorb mycotoxins if they are exposed to them for a long time. They

usually lose the toxicity because they are heated frequently and

trichothecene mycotoxins evaporate in time (but maybe not always

completely - something I am dealing with now). But, if your eyeglasses

frame is also made of some painted metal that was exposed to the

contamination for a long time, they may be very hard to decontaminate

quickly. So it may be better not to take them either, if you want to

decontamiate again.

If you don't want to trash the glasses, maybe some friend can put them

in a dry, hot, isolated storage place. It was determined by older

moldies that objects lose their toxicity after being stored in a dry,

well-ventilated storage place for at least 5 years.

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for your input regarding plastic items--I will need to make

arrangements to get rid of them. You said that stachy mycotoxins don't stick to

body hair--but what about chaetomium (we were exposed to stachy and chaetomium)?

I wonder if it's the chaetomium that is sticking to hair. And, if any of them

does stick to hair, what do people do about eyelashes? After all, they are hair.

I'm somewhat confused about which mycotoxin is having which effect. Also, which

one becomes a bioaerosol? I've had definite sensations of a dry spray, as if it

were coming out of an aerosol can. Do you know? I'd greatly appreciate some

clarification, if anyone can help. Thank you very much.

[Guest guest]

These results are post-remediation. We initially called an industrial

hygienist, and he sent his team to do the remediation, without overseeing the

project himself. We later found out that the company is known for testing only,

and should not be doing remediation. The team wore suits (dust suits that we

gave them, as we had them on hand for other types of work, they didn't even come

with their own appropriate suits!) that were not changed from the containment

area to walk around the house after opening the walls. They brought out papers

and other items, still with the suits on that had been worn in the containment

area. No scope of work was determined, and they kept extending the work over

several days.

The stachy and also the chaetomium were found on surfaces near the containment

area, and also on another floor of the house. Chaetomium was also airborne on

another floor of the house, where the workers had walked. We are wondering if

they brought some of these toxic molds with them to our house, or if they just

spread them around the house from inside the walls (since no testing was done

until after they left).

We had an independent hygienist do the testing. However, we still have not

nailed down the scope of follow-up work (except for cleaning the surfaces). How

do we know if cleaning alone will be sufficient, or if additional removal of

floors/walls is necessary to ensure clearance? Clearly, we will be using another

company to do the follow-up. Any recommendations as to how we can resolve this

mess?

We are not planning to return to the house, as per the advice of our doctors.

However, even though we have evacuated, we still need to decontaminate

ourselves. Any recommendations? It seems to be sticking to us, and is even on

our eyelashes (which we have now trimmed but have not removed in their

entirety). We have read Dr. Klein's website and are wondering if anyone has had

success with his protocol in terms of personal decontamination.

jrbilotta <jason@...> wrote:

are these test results pre-remediation or post-remediation?

Also, where was the stachy found (ie lifted off a wall or in a cavity?

Did the hygienist put together a remediation protocol or was the

scope of work determined by the remediation contractor?

Is the hygienist working with you or the contractor to resolve this?

> >

> > We were exposed to Chaetomium and Stachybotrys after a botched

> > remediation and are desperately trying to decontaminate. We are

> > following Dr. ph Klein's protocol of changing hotels / hotel

> > rooms, replacing clothing, and are routinely shaving our heads,

> > eyebrows, arms, legs, etc. We have gone through a combination of 25

> > hotels/hotel rooms, discarding our clothing prior to the entrance at

> > each changeover for the past six weeks. However, we are still

> > experiencing symptoms which include aberrant sensations i.e.,

> > vibrations/pulsations, sleep disturbances, difficulty concentrating,

> > psycho-motor slowing, fatigue, headaches, and skin-rashes. We have

> > not removed our eyelashes but are trying to remove the spores by

> > vigorously rubbing them with a dry paper towel. We have had temporary

> > relief from this method but quickly seem to recontaminate. In your

> > opinion, at this point, would it be advisable to trim and or remove

> > our eyelashes and/or hair inside sensory organs, e.g., nose/ears?

> > In addition, one of us is in need of dental crowns but are

> > concerned that mold spores will be sealed permanently into/under the

> > new crowns. Suddenly while on our hotel jaunt, one of us is

> > experiencing a problem with existing porcelain crowns. Within the

> > last two weeks, they appear to be discintegrating. Could these porus

> > crowns also be be exascerbating our problem? Furthermore, we have

> > not given up one dental night-guard or one pair of mandatory eye-

> > glasses. Another concern is that we are fearful of contaminating the

> > dental office. Also, can anyone recommend a hotel chain(s) that is

> > better for those with chemical sensitivities / mold toxicities? Any

> > advice on any/all of these issues would be more than greatly

> > appreciated.

> > We are at our wits end.

> > Signed,

> > Two Homeless Desperate Souls,

> > One who is currently a disabled Neuroscientist

> >

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