Re: I have my 3 boys with autism, and our high functional boy is having the must

February 8, 2011

As a former teacher, I can tell you that legally grades cannot be penalized for behavior. Does he have a BIP in place? If not, the school district is very wrong. He is in regular class, but does he have an IEP and covered under the autism supplement? If not, you may need to get this changed. You need to call an ARD and demand that a BIP be developed.

Does this teacher have a birthday coming up? No matter. A gift of " Ten Things Your Student with Autism Wishes You Knew. " Especially the chapter " Behavior is Communication. " Sadly, based on what you've said, this teacher does not understand autism and especially its behavioral implications. She may not be receptive to learning -- very sad if she isn't, but typical. It is easier to blame the child and think he is doing it on purpose than really look at the behavior, what is triggering the behavior, and whether the teacher is responding to the behavior in an appropriate way. The teacher's reaction to the behavior is just as important. She may not like that part. I hope she reads the book. It is short, and if she gives an iota, I would think she would read it.

Be sure to get a BIP in place, and make it clear that your son cannot be penalized grade wise due to behavior. You can only take points off for citizenship or conduct grades. You cannot take off points on academic --say, she cannot deduct ten points form a test grade for behavior. That is illegal. Likewise, you can't deduct points for attendance --that is a separate record.

Call an ARD to get this straightened out.

February 9, 2011

you know you could make an agreement with the teacher and say that eveytime she forgets to implement the IEP, they take away $5 from her paycheck. You could even go back to the beginning of school and retro it and see how she'd like that. I told the teacher's that at my son's school once because they were taking away points for not doing the work quickly and neatly even though his IEP said he had dysgraphia and had fine motor skills issues and needed to use a computer. They'd forget, he'd get tired of writing and always being last to turn in work and would get upset and they would take points off for the entire situation which they caused. I'd remind them of his IEP accommodation to use the computer and they'd say, oh yeah, forgot and so I finally said I would agree that they could

take away points if they agreed to lose $5 out of their paycheck everytime they forgot his IEP ...did not go over too well ya'll.

To: "Texas-Autism-Advocacy " <Texas-Autism-Advocacy >Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 7:09:41 PMSubject: Re: I have my 3 boys with autism, and our high functional boy is having the must

I agree with Haven. In the district I teach in, it is illegal to take points off for conduct, behavior, etc. Regardless if the student has an IEP or not. I can relate from a teacher's point of view & as a parent of a child with ASD. I've had ASD students in my class for varying degrees of inclusion & have NEVER taken off points on an assignment for something like that. It's ludicrous & definitely unfair. Definitely call an ARD & request a BIP in my opinion.

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As a former teacher, I can tell you that legally grades cannot be penalized for behavior. Does he have a BIP in place? If not, the school district is very wrong. He is in regular class, but does he have an IEP and covered under the autism supplement? If not, you may need to get this changed. You need to call an ARD and demand that a BIP be developed. Does this teacher have a birthday coming up? No matter. A gift of "Ten Things Your Student with Autism Wishes You Knew." Especially the chapter "Behavior is Communication."Sadly, based on what you've said, this teacher does not understand autism and especially its behavioral implications. She may not be receptive to learning -- very sad if she isn't, but typical. It is easier to blame the child and think he is doing it on purpose than really look at the behavior, what is triggering the behavior, and whether the teacher is

responding to the behavior in an appropriate way. The teacher's reaction to the behavior is just as important. She may not like that part. I hope she reads the book. It is short, and if she gives an iota, I would think she would read it.Be sure to get a BIP in place, and make it clear that your son cannot be penalized grade wise due to behavior. You can only take points off for citizenship or conduct grades. You cannot take off points on academic --say, she cannot deduct ten points form a test grade for behavior. That is illegal. Likewise, you can't deduct points for attendance --that is a separate record.Call an ARD to get this straightened out.

February 9, 2011

I think there is far too much " forgetting to implement the IEP " going on. I know another family where the teachers were informed of auditory processing disorder and it was like it went in one er and out the other. there only solution was to give teachers this small list of things to do for a child with APD (no formal teacher training mind you), and of course the teachers never looked at the list.

This caused a lot of problems for the child. Teachers would think that when they told him something once and the child did not immediately respond to the request, they thought he was misbehaving. It is so absurd. They would also " forget " that the child was very attached to his routine. so one day, the kid sees his therapist at the door and he starts to go with the therapist, but the teacher decides to throw a wrench in the schedule and decides to make the student walk back and sit down at his desk first and wait to be given permission to go. This request or this new plan was never discussed with the child -- just a new surprise requirement. They have no clue that sudden changes to any part of the routine is very upsetting to a child with ASD/APD. Of course the child got very rattled/upset and goes back to the desk and picks it up and throws the desk. Then of course, they want to blame the child for the teacher's ignorance. Personally, I don't know how these poorly trained teachers look themselves in the mirror sometimes.

I had desks thrown in my room once, and honestly, I don't blame the kid. I taught an ESL class, and those bright administrative minds put a DEAF child in my room because they had no clue what to do with him (well, I'm sure they knew what they ought to do, but that would have cost money, so they lied to the parents). He was ESL, but he had a disability and the district should have directed the parents to whatever contracted school for the hearing impaired.

Anyway, knowing no English and knowing no sign language and being deaf --- can you imagine the isolation?? How terrifying. This kid had no IEP, but then it was the eighties (were they required then?) I was never even given ANY modifications for this child just " here he is; you take him. " Knowing no sign myself, I still tried, but due to his disability, he had some emotional disturbance to no surprise. And one day for a reason I cannot discern, the class came in and he was noticeably upset and just went berserk. He started throwing all kinds of things and desks. The kids all ran up behind me, I sent one student to get help from the office (we had no emergency buzzers), and this kid continues to have a break down, and then the other kid comes back from the office and says, " Uh, they said to tell you they are eating lunch right now. " Well, that p!!$$# & me off, so I said (under a lot of stress), " You go back and tell them to send help right now, or I am going home! "

Then they have a meeting with the parents, and what they did was just talk these parents into letting the kid drop out of school! I was continually shocked and dismayed at the things I saw teaching in the public system. It was like night and day between the public and the private, but at that time trying to make a living as a single teacher in a private was impossible.

I think most parents would really be shocked if they could be shown what really goes on regarding the implementation of IEP's. If a parent does not work hard to hold them accountable to it, chances are, it is not getting done. IMO.

February 9, 2011

that will be fair =)good advice...To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 9:24:49 AMSubject: Re: I have my 3 boys with

autism, and our high functional boy is having the must

you know you could make an agreement with the teacher and say that eveytime she forgets to implement the IEP, they take away $5 from her paycheck. You could even go back to the beginning of school and retro it and see how she'd like that. I told the teacher's that at my son's school once because they were taking away points for not doing the work quickly and neatly even though his IEP said he had dysgraphia and had fine motor skills issues and needed to use a computer. They'd forget, he'd get tired of writing and always being last to turn in work and would get upset and they would take points off for the entire situation which they caused. I'd remind them of his IEP accommodation to use the computer and they'd say, oh yeah, forgot and so I finally said I would agree that they could

take away points if they agreed to lose $5 out of their paycheck everytime they forgot his IEP ...did not go over too well ya'll.

To: "Texas-Autism-Advocacy " <Texas-Autism-Advocacy >Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 7:09:41 PMSubject: Re: I have my 3 boys with autism, and our high functional boy is having the must

I agree with Haven. In the district I teach in, it is illegal to take points off for conduct, behavior, etc. Regardless if the student has an IEP or not. I can relate from a teacher's point of view & as a parent of a child with ASD. I've had ASD students in my class for varying degrees of inclusion & have NEVER taken off points on an assignment for something like that. It's ludicrous & definitely unfair. Definitely call an ARD & request a BIP in my opinion.

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As a former teacher, I can tell you that legally grades cannot be penalized for behavior. Does he have a BIP in place? If not, the school district is very wrong. He is in regular class, but does he have an IEP and covered under the autism supplement? If not, you may need to get this changed. You need to call an ARD and demand that a BIP be developed. Does this teacher have a birthday coming up? No matter. A gift of "Ten Things Your Student with Autism Wishes You Knew." Especially the chapter "Behavior is Communication."Sadly, based on what you've said, this teacher does not understand autism and especially its behavioral implications. She may not be receptive to learning -- very sad if she isn't, but typical. It is easier to blame the child and think he is doing it on purpose than really look at the behavior, what is triggering the behavior, and whether the teacher is

responding to the behavior in an appropriate way. The teacher's reaction to the behavior is just as important. She may not like that part. I hope she reads the book. It is short, and if she gives an iota, I would think she would read it.Be sure to get a BIP in place, and make it clear that your son cannot be penalized grade wise due to behavior. You can only take points off for citizenship or conduct grades. You cannot take off points on academic --say, she cannot deduct ten points form a test grade for behavior. That is illegal. Likewise, you can't deduct points for attendance --that is a separate record.Call an ARD to get this straightened out.

February 9, 2011

I agree auditory , i don't think even know about that besides methere is many things that down here "they don't understand"I know, I have learned a lot, and research a lot for the boy's. but i think it just get to a point where, others stop listening and think they can change a child with autism cause our kid's can manage things, as Nt, kids and some people think they are just doing it on purpose and they can just change the child with the wrong discipline.I am just going to have to manage this BS until meeting takes place.My lawyer told me to take the outside doctor's official paper's with the diagnose of ASD to remind them ( besides school diagnoses ) of his condition.So that way they remember that he is in regular class ( now IBP inclusion in other subjects ) but somehow according to teacher, she needs to take those points away ....in her time.To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 9:52:07 AMSubject: Re: I have my 3 boys with autism, and our high functional boy is having the must

I think there is far too much "forgetting to implement the IEP" going on. I know another family where the teachers were informed of auditory processing disorder and it was like it went in one er and out the other. there only solution was to give teachers this small list of things to do for a child with APD (no formal teacher training mind you), and of course the teachers never looked at the list.

This caused a lot of problems for the child. Teachers would think that when they told him something once and the child did not immediately respond to the request, they thought he was misbehaving. It is so absurd. They would also "forget" that the child was very attached to his routine. so one day, the kid sees his therapist at the door and he starts to go with the therapist, but the teacher decides to throw a wrench in the schedule and decides to make the student walk back and sit down at his desk first and wait to be given permission to go. This request or this new plan was never discussed with the child -- just a new surprise requirement. They have no clue that sudden changes to any part of the routine is very upsetting to a child with ASD/APD. Of course the child got very rattled/upset and goes back to the desk and picks it up and throws the desk. Then of course, they want to blame the child for the

teacher's ignorance. Personally, I don't know how these poorly trained teachers look themselves in the mirror sometimes.

I had desks thrown in my room once, and honestly, I don't blame the kid. I taught an ESL class, and those bright administrative minds put a DEAF child in my room because they had no clue what to do with him (well, I'm sure they knew what they ought to do, but that would have cost money, so they lied to the parents). He was ESL, but he had a disability and the district should have directed the parents to whatever contracted school for the hearing impaired.

Anyway, knowing no English and knowing no sign language and being deaf --- can you imagine the isolation?? How terrifying. This kid had no IEP, but then it was the eighties (were they required then?) I was never even given ANY modifications for this child just "here he is; you take him." Knowing no sign myself, I still tried, but due to his disability, he had some emotional disturbance to no surprise. And one day for a reason I cannot discern, the class came in and he was noticeably upset and just went berserk. He started throwing all kinds of things and desks. The kids all ran up behind me, I sent one student to get help from the office (we had no emergency buzzers), and this kid continues to have a break down, and then the other kid comes back from the office and says, "Uh, they said to tell you they are eating lunch right now." Well, that p!!$$# & me off, so I said (under a lot of stress), "You go

back and tell them to send help right now, or I am going home!"

Then they have a meeting with the parents, and what they did was just talk these parents into letting the kid drop out of school! I was continually shocked and dismayed at the things I saw teaching in the public system. It was like night and day between the public and the private, but at that time trying to make a living as a single teacher in a private was impossible.

I think most parents would really be shocked if they could be shown what really goes on regarding the implementation of IEP's. If a parent does not work hard to hold them accountable to it, chances are, it is not getting done. IMO.

February 9, 2011

IBP saids for him to stay in regular class.... I need to work on thisTo: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 11:50:51 AMSubject: Re: I have my 3 boys with autism, and our high functional boy is having

the must

I agree auditory , i don't think even know about that besides methere is many things that down here "they don't understand"I know, I have learned a lot, and research a lot for the boy's. but i think it just get to a point where, others stop listening and think they can change a child with autism cause our kid's can manage things, as Nt, kids and some people think they are just doing it on purpose and they can just change the child with the wrong discipline.I am just going to have to manage this BS until meeting takes

place.My lawyer told me to take the outside doctor's official paper's with the diagnose of ASD to remind them ( besides school diagnoses ) of his condition.So that way they remember that he is in regular class ( now IBP inclusion in other subjects ) but somehow according to teacher, she needs to take those points away ....in her time.To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 9:52:07 AMSubject: Re: I have my 3 boys with autism, and our high functional boy is having the must