Re: Need help fast!

[Guest guest]

I have had that happen and have made all of it into shavings and re-milled

it with some of my herbals that have a different oil added in. Also have

made bath salts using it. I specialize in the pure olive oil Castille soaps

and never add preservatives or scents due to allergies. When I make the

specialty soaps they are all re-milled. To keep it from going rancid during

hot months, I always place the sealed plastic containers of it in the

freezer. Doesn't affect it in anyway bad.

need help fast!

help! i just made two batches of different kinds of cp soaps,

insulated them 24 hours as the recipe suggested, unmolded them and

cut them and they broke, all of them! never had this problem before,

do i have to throw it away or is there something i can do? what

caused this?

by the way, a garden eastward has an excellent eo for acne.

thanks, melissa

[Guest guest]

Hello,

On our assessment here at the hospital, we ask patients significant problems related to obesity, previous tried methods of weight loss and success, energy level, gi problems, favorite foods, eating out (where? frequency?), highest adult weight, lowest adult weight, usual body weight, activity (type? duration?), labs (if they had any done), medications, medical/social history/family support, and nutrition history (24 hour recall). There is also a section to check off information as discussed with patient including suggestions for pre-op, nutritional considerations after gastric bypass, surgical changes to stomach/gi, capacity of post-surgery stomach, diet progression, dumping syndrome, chewing foods thoroughly, potential food intolerance after surgery, weight loss plateaus, protein and water needs.

I hope this helps you.

Have a great day,

Hamilton

Fort Walton Beach Medical Center

Fort Walton Beach, Florida

Need help fast!

Hi,

My name is Carmen Urrunaga, and I am new to the listserve. We are going to start doing gastric bypass sx at our hospital in the very near future, and I am starting to get calls from patients who need a nutrition assessment completed prior to sx. Our surgeons were going to take care of that, but there has been a change in plans. Just my luck, they need the assessments done TODAY!!!

I am wondering if there are any specifics that need to be included in the assessment? I know there needs to be documentation of the various weight loss efforts attempted as well as a weight history, but other than that is it a "run of the mill" assessment?

I appreciate any feedback, and if you have an assessment form I could look at that would be great.

Thanks in advance.

Carmen

Carmen Urrunaga, MS, RD, LD/N Clinical Nutrition Manager Kendall Regional Medical Center 11750 Bird Road Miami, FL 33175 305 223-3000 x2273 carmen.urrunaga@... visit us at: http:\\www.kendallmed.com This email and any files transmitted with it may contain PRIVILEGED or CONFIDENTIAL information and may be read or used only by the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient of the email or any of its attachments, please be advised that you have recieved this email in error and that any use, dissemination, distribution, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email or any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediatly purge it and all attachments and notify the sender by reply email or contact the sender at the number listed.

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Would you be willing to share your form?

Kendra W. McConahy, R.D.

Clinical Nutrition Manager

Largo Medical Center

727-588-5491

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> Need help fast!

>

>

> Hi,

> My name is Carmen Urrunaga, and I am new to the listserve. We are

> going to start doing gastric bypass sx at our hospital in the very near

> future, and I am starting to get calls from patients who need a nutrition

> assessment completed prior to sx. Our surgeons were going to take care of

> that, but there has been a change in plans. Just my luck, they need the

> assessments done TODAY!!!

>

> I am wondering if there are any specifics that need to be included

> in the assessment? I know there needs to be documentation of the various

> weight loss efforts attempted as well as a weight history, but other than

> that is it a " run of the mill " assessment?

> I appreciate any feedback, and if you have an assessment form I

> could look at that would be great.

> Thanks in advance.

> Carmen

>

> Carmen Urrunaga, MS, RD, LD/N

> Clinical Nutrition Manager

> Kendall Regional Medical Center

> 11750 Bird Road

> Miami, FL 33175

> 305 223-3000 x2273

> carmen.urrunaga@...

> visit us at: http:\\www.kendallmed.com <http://www.kendallmed.com/>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I would like a copy of your assessment form, if you are willing to share. Let

me know and I can give you my address or fax number. Thanks.

Cheryl Bell, MS, RD, LD, CHE

McHenry, Illinois

[Guest guest]

Hi, Carmen,

I, also, am new to bariatric surgery issues. It appears that I may be

asked to be involved in a screening process for local bariatric surgery

referrals to out-of-town surgery centers. This would be through a home health

care

agency with which I am affiliated.

I would appreciate hearing of any information that you may receive from

your inquiry.

Thanks,

Becky Rolph, MS,RD,CDE

RLR6333@...

Erie, PA

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/2/03 11:44:22 AM, Kendra.McConahy@...

writes:

<< Would you be willing to share your form?

>>

Kendra,

I think I must have gotten in on only part of this communique. I would

be interested in any information available RE the pre-surgical and screening

process for bariatric surgery referrals. (Actually, the director of a home

health care agency with which I am affiliated is making inquiries; she is in

contact with a physician who wants to make such referrals, and I need

information

as soon as possible.)

Thanks,

Becky Rolph, MS,RD,CDE

RLR6333@...

Erie, PA

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

It sounds like you have become hyper-reactive to it now where it well

bother you in even tiny amounts where it doesn't bother others to a

noticable amount. like in chemical sensativitys.

and it does sound like mold toxins may have contaminated everything

and also some cross contamination going on.

you may have to get tottally away from everything and avoid as many

chemicals,perfumes,ect. as possible to fell better. have you

knowticed any other smells bothering you? these may manifest later on

if you have developed CS. it's very possible that your car and other

things were cross contaminated. your cloths may be contamunated,ect.

the best thing first to do is get yourself away from it and

everything it has contaminated. theres no quick easy answers for

dealing with your stuff. but you need to worry about advoidance.

you may need to remove contaminated belongings from your liveing

space, or have someone not ill from it do it. they should wear a good

mask.

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I have a serious problem and not sure what to do at this point.

BTW, I'm new

> to this group.

>

> It all started when I turned on a window AC unit for the first time

of the

> season. I turned it on and started to get a soar throat almost

instantly and

> also had itchy ears, freezing cold feet and many other symptoms.

>

> I turned the unit off shortly after. The next day I slept in a

different

> room with no problem. The day after that I sprayed a disinfectant

through the

> window AC unit and let it run with the door closed in that room.

After that I

> could never go back into that room without problems. I then took a

few of the

> items out of the room and put them in the room I was then sleeping

in. That

> room became contaminated too.

>

> Next I hired a person to come in and fog the whole house for mold,

bacteria,

> etc. And then followed up with the ducts cleaned. It didn't do any

good and

> I still can't go in the house. I was living at my office for about

one week

> and just brought over a couple of books and some dvd's from my

house and that

> seemed to have contaminated my office. And now my new car is

contaminated

> too.

>

> It's been well over a month now and I don't know what to do next.

After all

> we fogged for mold, cleaned the entire house, cleaned the duct work

and wiped

> everything down. We also threw away most of the blankets, drapes,

etc. There

> is just a couple rooms that still have carpet.

>

> Now I can't go to my office, house or drive my car. It seems like

my kids

> moms house is giving me problems now as well. The symptoms are

absolutely

> horrible and bring me to my knees. I become very disoriented,

fatigued, kidney

> pain, itching in my ears, and overall just worn out.

>

> What the hell can be going on? For instance I just brought a couple

of small

> items to the office. The place was fogged for every type of mold,

bacteria,

> virus, etc. My life is in complete shambles now and I already

have MS. My MS

> was getting better to the point where I could work out again until

this

> happened. I have been to so many other places with absolutely no

problems. Even

> one of the worst run down hotels you could ever imagine. It seemed

like they

> didn't change anything since the 70's. It smelled moldy, dusty and

like sewage

> all at the same time. I didn't like the smell but had no problems

like at my

> house.

>

> How could the tiniest amounts of stuff I brought from my house

cause the

> extensive problems that I'm having? Can the stuff possibly still be

alive and

> multiplying? There's no water damage in my house or anything like

that. It

> doesn't smell like mold and two other people live there now with

absolutely no

> problems. Numerous other people have been in and out of the house

with

> absolutely no problems. One of the two people that live there is in

really bad shape

> health wise and has no problems. This just doesn't make any sense.

Can this

> be something else that I overlooked. I know it all started with the

window AC

> unit.

>

>

> One last thing. If I'm just hypersensitive to whatever is in the

house can

> an allergist help? Some people I talked to said it can be the dead

molds spores

> or maybe they were just never killed.

>

> I'm desperate now and don't know where to turn. If anyone can help

please

> let me know ASAP.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ************************************** See what's free at

http://www.aol.com.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, you might try wet vac. on your car seats, dont know if it well

help.

paper seams to get contaminated easy, you may have to make copies and

throw them away try haveing someone clean office,chair,desk ect. with

soapy water and maybe a little ammonia in with it may help. worth

trying, but cant say it well work. if you have storage shed I would put

contaminated items there for now and deal with later. may help some

cloths to wash with ammonia,?? just have to try and see.dicections on

bottle,can add a little dawn dishwashing liwuid, may help, but no

bleach!! I wouldn't use bleach at all. if someone can clean room and

rest of house with soapy water and a little ammonia mixed in, may help.

maybe if you get away from it all for a bit your reaction might calm

down some, no garentees on that either.

>

> Hi ,

> It sounds like you have become hyper-reactive to it now where it well

> > > ************************************** See what's free at

> http://www.aol.com.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Your case sounds to me like classic poisoning with trichothecene

mycotoxins. I guess there was some toxigenic mold in that AC unit and

when you turned it on the living mold started producing the so-called

secondary metabolites - mycotoxins. Even if you killed the mold with

the disinfectant the toxins remained.

Dead spores and other fungal mass can carry mycotoxins. Killing mold

isn't going to solve the problem. But if you want to try again, don't

use any disinfectant. Use vinegar, borax, hydrogen peroxide or maybe

ammonia - they are best at killing mold.

The bad news about these toxins is that they are unfortunately VERY

long lasting. Years and years may pass before they break down on their

own. The good news is that they are usually eliminated from the human

body very fast as soon as the exposure ends. Their damage to the human

body is cumulative over time, but they themselves don't accumulate in

the body so readily.

The mysterious happenings regarding objects and clothing from that

room can only be explained by cross-contamination with mycotoxins

(most likely trichothecenes such as Satratoxins). You are (or have

become) extremely susceptible to them so they are devastating for you,

while other people have no problems. I've been seeing the same

scenario for over 15 years. That's another reason why this illness

seems to be so elusive and hard to prove to others - and often

dismissed as psychological despite the overwhelming evidence to the

contrary.

Right now I think you need to completely change your entire

environment, and not take anything with yourself - including clothes.

Some of the older moldies can explain you the exact procedure. It's a

comprehensive and delicate operation which must be done with *utmost*

care so that no amount of the toxin gets to a new place with you. All

this may sound drastic, and yes it really sucks, but it's the best and

quickest way to regain your health. The objects at your workplace are

probably also very contaminated - don't know what to advise you

regarding this. It would be best to completely avoid the office as

well if possible.

Allergists are almost always totally useless. They don't understand

how mycotoxins can adversely affect humans. They are knowlegeable only

about classic hystamine allergic reaction, which is almost certainly

not present in your case. The only benefit of doing classic allergy

prick tests is to obtain the proof that you're not *allergic* to

molds. However, that doesn't mean you're not supersensitive to their

mycotoxins.

Hope this helped somewhat.

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I have a serious problem and not sure what to do at this point. BTW,

I'm new

> to this group.

>

> It all started when I turned on a window AC unit for the first time

of the

> season. I turned it on and started to get a soar throat almost

instantly and

> also had itchy ears, freezing cold feet and many other symptoms.

>

> I turned the unit off shortly after. The next day I slept in a

different

> room with no problem. The day after that I sprayed a disinfectant

through the

> window AC unit and let it run with the door closed in that room.

After that I

> could never go back into that room without problems. I then took a

few of the

> items out of the room and put them in the room I was then sleeping

in. That

> room became contaminated too.

>

> Next I hired a person to come in and fog the whole house for mold,

bacteria,

> etc. And then followed up with the ducts cleaned. It didn't do any

good and

> I still can't go in the house. I was living at my office for about

one week

> and just brought over a couple of books and some dvd's from my house

and that

> seemed to have contaminated my office. And now my new car is

contaminated

> too.

>

> It's been well over a month now and I don't know what to do next.

After all

> we fogged for mold, cleaned the entire house, cleaned the duct work

and wiped

> everything down. We also threw away most of the blankets, drapes,

etc. There

> is just a couple rooms that still have carpet.

>

> Now I can't go to my office, house or drive my car. It seems like my

kids

> moms house is giving me problems now as well. The symptoms are

absolutely

> horrible and bring me to my knees. I become very disoriented,

fatigued, kidney

> pain, itching in my ears, and overall just worn out.

>

> What the hell can be going on? For instance I just brought a couple

of small

> items to the office. The place was fogged for every type of mold,

bacteria,

> virus, etc. My life is in complete shambles now and I already have

MS. My MS

> was getting better to the point where I could work out again until

this

> happened. I have been to so many other places with absolutely no

problems. Even

> one of the worst run down hotels you could ever imagine. It seemed

like they

> didn't change anything since the 70's. It smelled moldy, dusty and

like sewage

> all at the same time. I didn't like the smell but had no problems

like at my

> house.

>

> How could the tiniest amounts of stuff I brought from my house cause

the

> extensive problems that I'm having? Can the stuff possibly still be

alive and

> multiplying? There's no water damage in my house or anything like

that. It

> doesn't smell like mold and two other people live there now with

absolutely no

> problems. Numerous other people have been in and out of the house with

> absolutely no problems. One of the two people that live there is in

really bad shape

> health wise and has no problems. This just doesn't make any sense.

Can this

> be something else that I overlooked. I know it all started with the

window AC

> unit.

>

>

> One last thing. If I'm just hypersensitive to whatever is in the

house can

> an allergist help? Some people I talked to said it can be the dead

molds spores

> or maybe they were just never killed.

>

> I'm desperate now and don't know where to turn. If anyone can help

please

> let me know ASAP.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ************************************** See what's free at

http://www.aol.com.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I have a serious problem and not sure what to do at this point.

BTW, I'm new

> to this group.

>

> It all started when I turned on a window AC unit for the first time

of the

> season. I turned it on and started to get a soar throat almost

instantly and

> also had itchy ears, freezing cold feet and many other symptoms.

Hi ,

Welcome to the Group. Through the process of elimination, I traced my

most recent toxic reactions to a window air conditioner, also. After

buying a new air conditioner, for my bedroom, three years in a row, I

finally realized that , for reasons that I may never figure out,

these air conditioners were making me sick. Last year's air

conditioner took only one month before it began growing enough mold

to make me sick. This year I am hoping to get by on the two other air

conditioners in my apartment, which I have no reaction to. So far,

luckily, it has been a very cool, almost cold, summer in New York

City, where I live.

I would like to share another observation, from my " sick building "

reactions over the past six years. I have seen, in myself, and my

father, how our bodies have " learned " to react to mold and mycotoxin

exposures, whenever we are re-exposed to these triggers. Our body's

appear to need ever smaller and smaller time periods of exposure to

these triggers, to produce a reaction.

Based on my personal history, I am bringing your attention to the

fact that, whereas in YOUR past, you needed to LIVE in a " sick " house

to get a toxic reaction, all that is necessary, NOW, is for you to

enter your home for 5 minutes to pick up your mail, or check your

electric meter etc. to produce the same extreme toxic reaction in

your body. Your body's reaction, once begun, might last for days, or

weeks, before your body stops reacting to your 5 minute exposure.

Remember, its NOT the material you were exposed to, that causes

illness. If it were, then EVERYONE in the room would get sick. Its

YOUR BODY'S REACTION to that material that is making you sick.

If this sounds " unreasonable " to you, then you have just learned

your first lesson in this new world you have become a part of. All of

us who suffer, have a very " unreasonable " illness. Therefore, don't

expect anyone, even your closest friends and relatives to see

the " reason " in our complaints. Our insistence that we are physically

sick, only makes the " normals " think we are mentally ill. After all,

they are not sick, when with you, in the same room.

The more medically inclined, of your friends, and your doctors, will

try to persuade you to " realize " that you just have allergies or

asthma, not some " fictional " toxic illness. Don't believe them. I

have had allergies and asthma since the age of 9 (I'm now 64). What

we have is something different. Asthma and allergy medications will

only give partisl relief, at best. The only " treatment " for what we

have, is avoidance of places and situations that trigger our toxic

reaction. Please remember, after your 5 minutes back in your house,

your body starts thinking that you are living there again, and starts

a reaction that will make you as sick as when you WERE living there.

We are NEVER CURED of our potential to have a reaction that makes us

sick. If you walk into someone's home, and you sense some familiar

illness " trigger " , you have two choices. You can either politely try

to explain why you can not stay, so as to not hurt their feelings.

This 5 minute courtesy, on your part, will make you sick as a dog for

2 weeks. Or, you can immediately turn, and run out the door, and call

them on your cell phone, with your explanation why you were so

discourteous, and you may only be sick for a day or two, from your 30

second exposure. Its your choice. My misfortune was to have been

raised to be very courteous. I am trying to break that habit.

Remember, they are going to think we are " NUTS " , whether we are

courteous or not, after we give them our explanation.

You have not exactly entered the " Twilight Zone " . But, you have

entered a new phase of your life, in which you now have to live

a " Defensive Environmental Life " , in the same sense that you are

a " Defensive Driver " , because you want to survive the experience of

driving.

Best of Luck

Joe