Andy

May 23, 2006

OK let me rephrase that my energy was not completly in the now

moment.. Colin writes about having energy in the past and in teh

future.. if you are keeping emotions in check from the past and not

expressing them and letting them go.. you are taking energy from teh

now.. or if you are worried about something in the future.. that is

also taking away energy. from the now moment..

does it feel good to be critical no..

I would of created it differently thats true.. but our world reflects

our inner beliefs -isnt that also true? or what we need to experience

to learn .

And I think it is harder for a person to forgive themselves than to

forgive others.. Colin says it is the guilt and i agree

only an opinion.

love, r

-- In Loving-what-is , " Andy " wrote:

>

> At the time it happened i was in a hurry because i was suppose to help

> a lot of people get up. and it was late and i was very tired. And i

> was as usual not fully in present time.

>

> ----->What time were you in???? Sit down, Rosyln, quietly, and

> consider: is there any " time " other than Now: this very moment, a

> duration which, although real, is so brief as to be utterly

> impossible to measure or " catch " with the mind. It is here. And

> here. And here. And here. Each is Now: the only time. Where else

> could you be? Perhaps you meant that you weren't paying attention to

> what was going on around you (being tired can certainly contribute to

> that)? But not fully " in " present time? Where else could you be?

>

> did i do my best? Well being in present time i doubt it would of

> happened but for where i was i guess i did--

>

> *****We can ONLY do our best. There are NO OTHER OPTIONS. (And you

> WERE in " present time. " For that too, there are NO OTHER OPTIONS.

> Present time is what you ARE: we ARE time.)

>

> I can turn it around but i wish i had been competent at the time

> instead of sweet.. well i am always critical. I can see why i hate it

> if lovethe work criticizes anyone. Id rather do that myself.

>

> *****Does it feel good, produce pleasure, when you do that to

> yourself?

>

> When he was hurt.. i was sad and depressed and mad at myself. But also

> realized i needed to quit . It gave me a good reason.

> SO i created that ..

>

> *****No, you didn't. You experienced it. You are not the creator of

> any of it. Consider this: if you were, if you really and truly had

> the power to direct your life, guide its outcomes and results,

> wouldn't you create it differently? ;-)

>

> On the self forgiveness cd colin tipping says we reframe it to see it

> is all happening perfectly.

>

> *****Some do, some don't. It is not universal.

>

> Im not there yet.

>

> *****You can only be where you are. Only that can be worked with.

> Not the dream of the ego (were you think you will or should be).

>

> It is much easier to forgive other people.. shame and guilt are heavy

> emotions

>

> *****For some. In this regard there are not set rules about what is

> so for others.

>

May 23, 2006

Andy, I really like all your highly interesting comments and

compilations on your favourite topics like " we are not the doer " ,

" there is no past and no future " , etc. - or, let´s say, I used to

like them - and, anyhow, I still haven´t got the slightest motive to

doubt what you say -

however it´s getting too much theoretical for me.

I miss the appropriate examples taken from our everyday life.

There is one example from my experience:

When I was in Berlin I met there and then I missed my

daughter who I had promised to pick her up in time and drive her

to the station.

I was down, because I had really wished to meet her and do as I

had promised.

At the same time I *remebered " that things like that had been

happening to me years before, again and again.

I said to " Why does this happen to me again and again? "

and he said " Because you remember! "

Well, and you say There is no such thing as a past and a future.

The only moment that exists is the present moment.

O.k. let´s say that´s right - and it is, I do have no objection to

this, of course!

But let me see: I remember events in the past and these are

mere thought constructions (as you say).

But why do those *remembered* events play still a part in my life

today? They obviously DO have something to do with my present

life.

The events of past times (which actually do not exist) have got

some power over me, I feel that and that is quite REAL for me.

I feel that I´m still suffering from these experiences long time

ago, and I don´t have the feeling they didn´t exist!

I missed my daughter at some occasions when she was still

small, I also didn´t keep some promises I´d made to her.

This happened in the past which has never existed and doesn´t

exist at all but it is actually affecting what happens to me now.

If it had not existed how can I remember?

I think this is also related to what Roslyn was talking about

latetly. Isn´t it, Roslyn?

We have to meet the same or similar challenges again and agin

until we finally do no longer believe maybe some underlying

thought - as in my case would probably be " I am not a good

mother " or " I really should be more proper in organizing my

schedule " and so on.

So, please let´s talk about those significant topics (also) in a way

that I can apply to my REAL experiences which actually exist in

the presen!.

The mere statement " there is no and has never been anything

like past and future " etc. really doesn´t help me at all.

Thanks.

Love, Rosemarie

>

> OK let me rephrase that my energy was not completly in the

now

> moment..

>

> *****Sweetheart: there is ONLY a " now moment. " NOW is the

only time

> anything happens. Everything else is a thought construction.

>

> Colin writes about having energy in the past and in teh

> future..

>

> *****There is NO past or future. Except in thought. Past and

future

> are just....not....real.

>

> if you are keeping emotions in check from the past and not

> expressing them and letting them go.. you are taking energy

from teh

> now.. or if you are worried about something in the future.. that

is

> also taking away energy. from the now moment..

>

> *****Certainly this can happen. But you are not doing it.

>

> does it feel good to be critical no..

> I would of created it differently thats true.. but our world reflects

> our inner beliefs -isnt that also true? or what we need to

experience

> to learn .

>

> *****The world doesn't " reflect " beliefs: the world, as

experienced

> (and that is all the world is), IS a compendium of the beliefs

> instilled. If it is believed, it is experienced (as the world). We

> see people and things not as they are, but as we are, because

there

> are no people and things, there are only our thoughts which

say " here

> are people and things. "

>

> And I think it is harder for a person to forgive themselves than

to

> forgive others..

>

> *****It is neither hard, nor easy. Forgiveness either happens or

it

> doesn't. It's not something that can be forced. It happens

when it

> is seen that there is no one to forgive, and no one to do the

> forgiving.

>

May 23, 2006

And what do you get for forgiving someone?

peace of mind.. i would say.

I dont find it hard to forgive others i do find it hard to forgive

myself.. and I know everyone says they are the same thing. rh

> >>

> >> At the time it happened i was in a hurry because i was suppose to

> >> help

> >> a lot of people get up. and it was late and i was very tired. And i

> >> was as usual not fully in present time.

> >>

> >> ----->What time were you in???? Sit down, Rosyln, quietly, and

> >> consider: is there any " time " other than Now: this very moment, a

> >> duration which, although real, is so brief as to be utterly

> >> impossible to measure or " catch " with the mind. It is here. And

> >> here. And here. And here. Each is Now: the only time. Where else

> >> could you be? Perhaps you meant that you weren't paying attention to

> >> what was going on around you (being tired can certainly contribute to

> >> that)? But not fully " in " present time? Where else could you be?

> >>

> >> did i do my best? Well being in present time i doubt it would of

> >> happened but for where i was i guess i did--

> >>

> >> *****We can ONLY do our best. There are NO OTHER OPTIONS. (And you

> >> WERE in " present time. " For that too, there are NO OTHER OPTIONS.

> >> Present time is what you ARE: we ARE time.)

> >>

> >> I can turn it around but i wish i had been competent at the time

> >> instead of sweet.. well i am always critical. I can see why i hate it

> >> if lovethe work criticizes anyone. Id rather do that myself.

> >>

> >> *****Does it feel good, produce pleasure, when you do that to

> >> yourself?

> >>

> >> When he was hurt.. i was sad and depressed and mad at myself. But

> >> also

> >> realized i needed to quit . It gave me a good reason.

> >> SO i created that ..

> >>

> >> *****No, you didn't. You experienced it. You are not the creator of

> >> any of it. Consider this: if you were, if you really and truly had

> >> the power to direct your life, guide its outcomes and results,

> >> wouldn't you create it differently? ;-)

> >>

> >> On the self forgiveness cd colin tipping says we reframe it to see it

> >> is all happening perfectly.

> >>

> >> *****Some do, some don't. It is not universal.

> >>

> >> Im not there yet.

> >>

> >> *****You can only be where you are. Only that can be worked with.

> >> Not the dream of the ego (were you think you will or should be).

> >>

> >> It is much easier to forgive other people.. shame and guilt are heavy

> >> emotions

> >>

> >> *****For some. In this regard there are not set rules about what is

> >> so for others.

> >>

> >

May 24, 2006

Well then:

Make amends for where you think you were off.

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