Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Hi , Whos is this SD? It certainly was not me. I did not write what you are responding to below? Steve D. > > > Yet, it my experience this " investing " is not something > > that you have to always do on your own. Sometimes > > this power gets invested simply by the natural order > > of things and you might just see it, realize it and > > consequently " accept " it without trying to " invest something > > with power " ! > Well, find out what *your* thoughts are. In the moment you get this > feeling of " inferior " / " superior " . Go there! Picture the situation > vividly and notice your thoughts. > > > I think it is not that much different than putting your > > hand in fire, getting burnt and then building an imprint > > [memory] of it. > > > > In similar way, a child too when he gets scolded, > > emotionally/physically *hurt* by his parents, siblings, > > peers, elders might *naturally* develop this sense > > of 'order of power'! > > > > Many animals learn this way too - like a mouse > > before cat or a cat before dog. Imagine a tied > > up rat sitting in front of a fat, healthy, strong where > > the cat is tied up with a thin string. I think that in > > such a situation, *fear* is a quite *natural* result that > > comes *naturally*, *instinctively* whereas developing > > peace and ease in such scenario might require lot > > of SADHNA! > > > > I guess many people feel same/similar way sitting in > > front of an angry, irritated boss - when the job market > > outside is not that good! IOW... their discomfort might result > > simply because they *realize* the power that is already > > invested by the order and not necessarily *try* to invest > > it by themselves! > > > > > > > > > > > >>> then I can feel as if I > > am on the " hot seat " . If I do not feel that I have anything to lose > > from the other person then I am at peace. > > > > > >>> I believe the " hot seat " feeling comes from fear because of our > > unexamined story regarding the other person. > > > >>> Steve D. > > > > Have you read the story in which a cat supposedly > > lost much of her appetite, lost much of her weight > > when experimenting psychiatrists put the picture > > of fearsome dog in her room! > > > > Point being that the feeing that you have > > something to lose might be naturally present > > in many situations and it can be said to be simple > > matter of *realizing* and knowing what is there > > and not necessarily a product of *imagination*! > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > In the message that I wrote, I was trying to explore > > and wonder on how natural order of *things* affect > > our inner state! > > > > In my observation, they seem to affect a lot... > because you look at the reflection. > > Go inside, instead. Observe your thinking. > > > However, I am not saying that there is no *psychological*, > > *spiritual* or *philosophical* way to work out of it... > > > > There certainly is, but I have seen that what is *natural*, > > *effortless* and *instinctive* usually wins over what is > > only *intellectual* or only done with conscious thinking > > and effort... > You are talking of the illusion. There is no such thing as *power*. > There never has been. > > Someone seems to steal your dream. You think he may succeed. > You think someone wants to steal your dream, and he has no chance. > > Do you find any other way to put it? > > Love, > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Dear Adithya, Thank you for your clarification. After reading your post I see that for me, this " hot seat " feeling is totally based upon the story we are telling ourself or the story we are currently believing. You said: " In the message that I wrote, I was trying to explore and wonder on how natural order of *things* affect our inner state! In my observation, they seem to affect a lot... " In my observation of things, there is no such thing as " natural order of things " . For me, there is only our beliefs. I believe that all feelings are caused by our thoughts. So, it appears that we see these things differently. And that is fine with me. I had never heard the story of the cat and the photo of the dog, but my guess would be that the cat had a belief about dogs and that story gave the cat certain feelings (such as, it could lose it's life) and the cat acted upon those feelings by losing it's appetite and losing weight. But then, who could really know if any of that is true? We would have to ask the cat. Blessings, Steve D. > > Hallo Steve: > > >>For me, there can only be a " hot seat " when I believe that I have > something to lose with the other person. > > Yes. That could be true. > In job situation, it could be " job " . > In marriage situation, it could be " marriage " . > In business negotiations, it could be " business " and money. > > In some hostile situations, it could be " life " ! > > People that I have observed [including myself] seem > to *naturally* feel " uncomfortable " , 'uneasy " in these > situations. > > > > > >>When I have mentally invested them with power and > I believe that they have something I > need (their love, approval or appreciation), > > " I have mentally invested them with power " is > a nice way of putting it. I think it is also considered > quite " spiritual " , " awakened " perspective and is quite > popular. > > Yet, it my experience this " investing " is not something > that you have to always do on your own. Sometimes > this power gets invested simply by the natural order > of things and you might just see it, realize it and > consequently " accept " it without trying to " invest something > with power " ! > > I think it is not that much different than putting your > hand in fire, getting burnt and then building an imprint > [memory] of it. > > In similar way, a child too when he gets scolded, > emotionally/physically *hurt* by his parents, siblings, > peers, elders might *naturally* develop this sense > of 'order of power'! > > Many animals learn this way too - like a mouse > before cat or a cat before dog. Imagine a tied > up rat sitting in front of a fat, healthy, strong where > the cat is tied up with a thin string. I think that in > such a situation, *fear* is a quite *natural* result that > comes *naturally*, *instinctively* whereas developing > peace and ease in such scenario might require lot > of SADHNA! > > I guess many people feel same/similar way sitting in > front of an angry, irritated boss - when the job market > outside is not that good! IOW... their discomfort might result > simply because they *realize* the power that is already > invested by the order and not necessarily *try* to invest > it by themselves! > > > > > > >>then I can feel as if I > am on the " hot seat " . If I do not feel that I have anything to lose > from the other person then I am at peace. > > > >>I believe the " hot seat " feeling comes from fear because of our > unexamined story regarding the other person. > > >>Steve D. > > Have you read the story in which a cat supposedly > lost much of her appetite, lost much of her weight > when experimenting psychiatrists put the picture > of fearsome dog in her room! > > Point being that the feeing that you have > something to lose might be naturally present > in many situations and it can be said to be simple > matter of *realizing* and knowing what is there > and not necessarily a product of *imagination*! > > > > ... > > > In the message that I wrote, I was trying to explore > and wonder on how natural order of *things* affect > our inner state! > > > In my observation, they seem to affect a lot... > > However, I am not saying that there is no *psychological*, > *spiritual* or *philosophical* way to work out of it... > > There certainly is, but I have seen that what is *natural*, > *effortless* and *instinctive* usually wins over what is > only *intellectual* or only done with conscious thinking > and effort... > > i.e. until what is " arduous " today becomes " natural " , > " instinctive " and effortless tomorrow! > > > Regards and greeting, > ac. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Dear , I understand now that you were responding to Adithya Cummings. I just did not red down the list of posts far enough. Love, Steve D. > > > > > Yet, it my experience this " investing " is not something > > > that you have to always do on your own. Sometimes > > > this power gets invested simply by the natural order > > > of things and you might just see it, realize it and > > > consequently " accept " it without trying to " invest something > > > with power " ! > > Well, find out what *your* thoughts are. In the moment you get > this > > feeling of " inferior " / " superior " . Go there! Picture the situation > > vividly and notice your thoughts. > > > > > I think it is not that much different than putting your > > > hand in fire, getting burnt and then building an imprint > > > [memory] of it. > > > > > > > In similar way, a child too when he gets scolded, > > > emotionally/physically *hurt* by his parents, siblings, > > > peers, elders might *naturally* develop this sense > > > of 'order of power'! > > > > > > Many animals learn this way too - like a mouse > > > before cat or a cat before dog. Imagine a tied > > > up rat sitting in front of a fat, healthy, strong where > > > the cat is tied up with a thin string. I think that in > > > such a situation, *fear* is a quite *natural* result that > > > comes *naturally*, *instinctively* whereas developing > > > peace and ease in such scenario might require lot > > > of SADHNA! > > > > > > I guess many people feel same/similar way sitting in > > > front of an angry, irritated boss - when the job market > > > outside is not that good! IOW... their discomfort might result > > > simply because they *realize* the power that is already > > > invested by the order and not necessarily *try* to invest > > > it by themselves! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> then I can feel as if I > > > am on the " hot seat " . If I do not feel that I have anything to > lose > > > from the other person then I am at peace. > > > > > > > > >>> I believe the " hot seat " feeling comes from fear because of our > > > unexamined story regarding the other person. > > > > > >>> Steve D. > > > > > > Have you read the story in which a cat supposedly > > > lost much of her appetite, lost much of her weight > > > when experimenting psychiatrists put the picture > > > of fearsome dog in her room! > > > > > > Point being that the feeing that you have > > > something to lose might be naturally present > > > in many situations and it can be said to be simple > > > matter of *realizing* and knowing what is there > > > and not necessarily a product of *imagination*! > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > In the message that I wrote, I was trying to explore > > > and wonder on how natural order of *things* affect > > > our inner state! > > > > > > In my observation, they seem to affect a lot... > > because you look at the reflection. > > > > Go inside, instead. Observe your thinking. > > > > > However, I am not saying that there is no *psychological*, > > > *spiritual* or *philosophical* way to work out of it... > > > > > > There certainly is, but I have seen that what is *natural*, > > > *effortless* and *instinctive* usually wins over what is > > > only *intellectual* or only done with conscious thinking > > > and effort... > > You are talking of the illusion. There is no such thing as > *power*. > > There never has been. > > > > Someone seems to steal your dream. You think he may succeed. > > You think someone wants to steal your dream, and he has no chance. > > > > Do you find any other way to put it? > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: > http://messenger.yahoo.de > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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