Re: Something I found interesting - off topic - for LTW

[Guest guest]

Dear LTW,

You said:

" A fundamental premise of the Course in Miralces and 's work is

that NOTHING (let me repeat that again: NOTHING) outside of your MIND

can effect you. "

I agree; however, there is only one mind and only one Son of God.

And, in my opinion, Jesus did complete his purpose 2,000 years ago.

Cheers, Steve D.

> >

> > >

> > Two years ago, I heard about a therapist in Hawaii who cured a

> > complete ward of criminally insane patients--without ever seeing

> > any of them. The psychologist would study an inmate's chart and

> > then look within himself to see how he created that person's

> > illness. As he improved himself, the patient improved.

> > >

> > When I first heard this story, I thought it was an urban legend.

> > How could anyone heal anyone else by healing himself? How could

> > even the best self-improvement master cure the criminally insane?

> > >

>

> Yep, the story is an uban legend

>

> A fundamental premise of the Course in Miralces and 's work is

> that NOTHING (let me repeat that again: NOTHING) outside of your

MIND

> can effect you. It has to be that way, or our power as the SON of

God

> would be denied. NO ONE cures or can cure ANYONE else, the ONLY one

> who can cure YOU is YOU. Now you may say but plenty of people were

> reported as cured in the presence of Jesus and even this well

meaning

> doctor, how do you explain that? People are cured in the presence

of

> someone who is clear like Jesus or , because somewhere in

THEIR

> OWN mind THEY make a choice to heal. It literally has NOTHING to do

> with Jesus or , they are simply a reminder that another choice

> could be made, a choice for health instead of sickness. The choice

> itself is not an ego choice, but a choice of the decision maker in

> the mind of the Son.

> But honestly don't believe a thing I have said go get a copy of

> the " A Course in Miralces " or " Loving What Is " and educate yourself.

>

> Have a beautiful day

>

> " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

> Byron

>

[Guest guest]

One can be a believer in the Work and in without having any belief in

Jesus.

Vivian

Re: Something I found interesting - off topic - for

LTW

Dear LTW,

You said:

" A fundamental premise of the Course in Miralces and 's work is

that NOTHING (let me repeat that again: NOTHING) outside of your MIND

can effect you. "

I agree; however, there is only one mind and only one Son of God.

And, in my opinion, Jesus did complete his purpose 2,000 years ago.

Cheers, Steve D.

> >

> > >

> > Two years ago, I heard about a therapist in Hawaii who cured a

> > complete ward of criminally insane patients--without ever seeing

> > any of them. The psychologist would study an inmate's chart and

> > then look within himself to see how he created that person's

> > illness. As he improved himself, the patient improved.

> > >

> > When I first heard this story, I thought it was an urban legend.

> > How could anyone heal anyone else by healing himself? How could

> > even the best self-improvement master cure the criminally insane?

> > >

>

> Yep, the story is an uban legend

>

> A fundamental premise of the Course in Miralces and 's work is

> that NOTHING (let me repeat that again: NOTHING) outside of your

MIND

> can effect you. It has to be that way, or our power as the SON of

God

> would be denied. NO ONE cures or can cure ANYONE else, the ONLY one

> who can cure YOU is YOU. Now you may say but plenty of people were

> reported as cured in the presence of Jesus and even this well

meaning

> doctor, how do you explain that? People are cured in the presence

of

> someone who is clear like Jesus or , because somewhere in

THEIR

> OWN mind THEY make a choice to heal. It literally has NOTHING to do

> with Jesus or , they are simply a reminder that another choice

> could be made, a choice for health instead of sickness. The choice

> itself is not an ego choice, but a choice of the decision maker in

> the mind of the Son.

> But honestly don't believe a thing I have said go get a copy of

> the " A Course in Miralces " or " Loving What Is " and educate yourself.

>

> Have a beautiful day

>

> " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

> Byron

>

[Guest guest]

>

> One can be a believer in the Work and in without having any

> belief in Jesus.

>

I totally agree with you on that Vivian

I only reference ACIM (A Course in Miracles) because it offers the

best metaphysical fondation I have found to explain this dream and

why we are still in it. seems to be advocating a pantheistic

metaphysical approach i.e. the belief that God and the material world

are one and the same thing and that God is present in everything.

ACIM's metaphysical approach teaches something very different,

according to Jesus in ACIM, God doesn't know anything about the world

to do so would make the separation real. I was shocked when I first

read that, but over time it made more and more sense to me that Love

simply could not create a world of separation, sickness and death,

that would be a denial of it's very nature. God does not know about

this world, but he does know that his Son is sleeping and seeks to

wake him from that sleep. God being love at the moment the Son fell

asleep placed a bridge between the dreams of the Son and himself

(i.e. Holy spirit) so that he could awake from the dream and return

at anytime he wished to oneness with God. Beginning students of ACIM

often think that Jesus is advocating a pantheistic approach and quote

lines from the the Workbook like " God is in everything I see because

God is in my mind " . Yet a careful reading of the Text and the

Workbook will show that Jesus real position has nothing at all to do

with pantheism. Jesus makes it clear in numerous passages in the Text

that God does not know about or play a part in the dream.

So when someone tells me that God is in a flower I smile, because I

know that that is simply not possible. However, I won't tell them

that unless I think that they can grasp a more profound truth. Oh ...

I seem to have wandered off all over the place again, I guess someone

needs to read this (me) or it would not have been written.

Have a beautiful day

" There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

Byron

[Guest guest]

> >

> > One can be a believer in the Work and in without having

any

> I only reference ACIM (A Course in Miracles) because it offers the

> best metaphysical fondation I have found to explain this dream and

> why we are still in it. seems to be advocating a pantheistic

> metaphysical approach i.e. the belief that God and the material

world

> are one and the same thing and that God is present in everything.

> ACIM's metaphysical approach teaches something very different,

> according to Jesus in ACIM, God doesn't know anything about the

world

> to do so would make the separation real. I was shocked when I

first

> read that, but over time it made more and more sense to me that

Love

> simply could not create a world of separation, sickness and death,

> that would be a denial of it's very nature. God does not know

about

> this world, but he does know that his Son is sleeping and seeks to

> wake him from that sleep. God being love at the moment the Son

fell

> asleep placed a bridge between the dreams of the Son and himself

> (i.e. Holy spirit) so that he could awake from the dream and

return

> at anytime he wished to oneness with God.

Bleefs! God is this or that. You know, whatever you read, or hear,

the more often u repeat it, you start to believe it. Even more when

you have an affinity towards it from the onset on.

One can take any book and say what i read here sounds so cute, this

must be the truth -this is the truth. we often do this in the hidden

attempt to find a shortcut to our goal. which is very often, more

joy - less pain, (whatever words we use here, like peace, abundance,

health, enlightenment ...). we project lots of different images

about what brings us this wanted goal or circumstance.

whatever you read in a book can at most function like a brigde

towards your " goal " .

it is lived life, that shows what is true and what not.

the ACIM is said to be from Jesus (as far as i know, correct me if

i'm wrong).

If you swallow this as a first belief, and then project a lot on

Jesus (if you were taught to worship Jesus) then wow, the thing

get's important!

(plus you also/as well, cause you read and deal with such important

stuff. what nice ego game ; -)) )

of course a flower is god. there is nothing else but the divine

experiencing itself.

so relax and enjoy.

lr

Beginning students of ACIM

> often think that Jesus is advocating a pantheistic approach and

quote

> lines from the the Workbook like " God is in everything I see

because

> God is in my mind " . Yet a careful reading of the Text and the

> Workbook will show that Jesus real position has nothing at all to

do

> with pantheism. Jesus makes it clear in numerous passages in the

Text

> that God does not know about or play a part in the dream.

> So when someone tells me that God is in a flower I smile, because

I

> know that that is simply not possible. However, I won't tell them

> that unless I think that they can grasp a more profound truth.

Oh ...

> I seem to have wandered off all over the place again, I guess

someone

> needs to read this (me) or it would not have been written.

>

> Have a beautiful day

>

>

> " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

> Byron

>

[Guest guest]

Vivian,

I certainly agree with that. The Work does not require us to believe

anything or in anyone, it is simply 4 questions and a turn around.

Also, it does not require us to like any of Byron 's books.

Steve D.

> > >

> > > >

> > > Two years ago, I heard about a therapist in Hawaii who cured a

> > > complete ward of criminally insane patients--without ever

seeing

> > > any of them. The psychologist would study an inmate's chart

and

> > > then look within himself to see how he created that person's

> > > illness. As he improved himself, the patient improved.

> > > >

> > > When I first heard this story, I thought it was an urban

legend.

> > > How could anyone heal anyone else by healing himself? How

could

> > > even the best self-improvement master cure the criminally

insane?

> > > >

> >

> > Yep, the story is an uban legend

> >

> > A fundamental premise of the Course in Miralces and 's

work is

> > that NOTHING (let me repeat that again: NOTHING) outside of

your

> MIND

> > can effect you. It has to be that way, or our power as the SON

of

> God

> > would be denied. NO ONE cures or can cure ANYONE else, the ONLY

one

> > who can cure YOU is YOU. Now you may say but plenty of people

were

> > reported as cured in the presence of Jesus and even this well

> meaning

> > doctor, how do you explain that? People are cured in the

presence

> of

> > someone who is clear like Jesus or , because somewhere in

> THEIR

> > OWN mind THEY make a choice to heal. It literally has NOTHING

to do

> > with Jesus or , they are simply a reminder that another

choice

> > could be made, a choice for health instead of sickness. The

choice

> > itself is not an ego choice, but a choice of the decision maker

in

> > the mind of the Son.

> > But honestly don't believe a thing I have said go get a copy of

> > the " A Course in Miralces " or " Loving What Is " and educate

yourself.

> >

> > Have a beautiful day

> >

> > " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned

concepts. "

> > Byron

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear LTW:

I have to say that I disagree with your opinion: " seems to be

advocating a pantheistic metaphysical approach i.e. the belief that

God and the material world are one and the same thing and that God is

present in everything. "

What I hear saying is quite different than what you say in this

post; but that is fine as long as you don't try to present your views

as the ONLY view. I guess the key words are " seems to be

advocating " . Yes, perhaps it seems that way to you but not to me.

Blessings, Steve D.

-- In Loving-what-is , " lovetheworkofbk "

wrote:

>

>

> >

> > One can be a believer in the Work and in without having any

> > belief in Jesus.

> >

>

> I totally agree with you on that Vivian

>

> I only reference ACIM (A Course in Miracles) because it offers the

> best metaphysical fondation I have found to explain this dream and

> why we are still in it. seems to be advocating a pantheistic

> metaphysical approach i.e. the belief that God and the material

world

> are one and the same thing and that God is present in everything.

> ACIM's metaphysical approach teaches something very different,

> according to Jesus in ACIM, God doesn't know anything about the

world

> to do so would make the separation real. I was shocked when I first

> read that, but over time it made more and more sense to me that

Love

> simply could not create a world of separation, sickness and death,

> that would be a denial of it's very nature. God does not know about

> this world, but he does know that his Son is sleeping and seeks to

> wake him from that sleep. God being love at the moment the Son fell

> asleep placed a bridge between the dreams of the Son and himself

> (i.e. Holy spirit) so that he could awake from the dream and return

> at anytime he wished to oneness with God. Beginning students of

ACIM

> often think that Jesus is advocating a pantheistic approach and

quote

> lines from the the Workbook like " God is in everything I see

because

> God is in my mind " . Yet a careful reading of the Text and the

> Workbook will show that Jesus real position has nothing at all to

do

> with pantheism. Jesus makes it clear in numerous passages in the

Text

> that God does not know about or play a part in the dream.

> So when someone tells me that God is in a flower I smile, because I

> know that that is simply not possible. However, I won't tell them

> that unless I think that they can grasp a more profound truth.

Oh ...

> I seem to have wandered off all over the place again, I guess

someone

> needs to read this (me) or it would not have been written.

>

> Have a beautiful day

>

>

> " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

> Byron

>

[Guest guest]

thanks for the laugh Steve. Laughter is one of the best healers known to

mankind.

vivian

Re: Something I found interesting - off topic - for

LTW

Vivian,

I certainly agree with that. The Work does not require us to believe

anything or in anyone, it is simply 4 questions and a turn around.

Also, it does not require us to like any of Byron 's books.

Steve D.

> > >

> > > >

> > > Two years ago, I heard about a therapist in Hawaii who cured a

> > > complete ward of criminally insane patients--without ever

seeing

> > > any of them. The psychologist would study an inmate's chart

and

> > > then look within himself to see how he created that person's

> > > illness. As he improved himself, the patient improved.

> > > >

> > > When I first heard this story, I thought it was an urban

legend.

> > > How could anyone heal anyone else by healing himself? How

could

> > > even the best self-improvement master cure the criminally

insane?

> > > >

> >

> > Yep, the story is an uban legend

> >

> > A fundamental premise of the Course in Miralces and 's

work is

> > that NOTHING (let me repeat that again: NOTHING) outside of

your

> MIND

> > can effect you. It has to be that way, or our power as the SON

of

> God

> > would be denied. NO ONE cures or can cure ANYONE else, the ONLY

one

> > who can cure YOU is YOU. Now you may say but plenty of people

were

> > reported as cured in the presence of Jesus and even this well

> meaning

> > doctor, how do you explain that? People are cured in the

presence

> of

> > someone who is clear like Jesus or , because somewhere in

> THEIR

> > OWN mind THEY make a choice to heal. It literally has NOTHING

to do

> > with Jesus or , they are simply a reminder that another

choice

> > could be made, a choice for health instead of sickness. The

choice

> > itself is not an ego choice, but a choice of the decision maker

in

> > the mind of the Son.

> > But honestly don't believe a thing I have said go get a copy of

> > the " A Course in Miralces " or " Loving What Is " and educate

yourself.

> >

> > Have a beautiful day

> >

> > " There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned

concepts. "

> > Byron

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> So when someone tells me that God is in a flower I smile, because I

> know that that is simply not possible.

Just curious: Why can't God be in a flower?

And can you absolutely know that that is true...??

Eva