Re: Ironing clothes

[Guest guest]

> So... Anyone else here who has successfully learned how to either iron

> clothes or avoid doing so, could you share your secrets? This is

> really beginning to frustrate me, and I don't want to go off to

> graduate school too frustrated.

1. Buy clothes that are resistant to wrinkling so they come out of the

dryer non-wrinkled.

2. If that doesn't work, write down step-by-step the steps needed to iron

each type of garment you have. Draw pictures of how they hang and what you

iron first, second, etc.

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[Guest guest]

Cody wrote:

>So... Anyone else here who has successfully learned how to either iron

>clothes or avoid doing so, could you share your secrets? This is

>really beginning to frustrate me, and I don't want to go off to

>graduate school too frustrated.

I agree with that written instructions (with pictures, if/as

needed) would be a good idea. The way you are with ironing, that's

exactly how I am when trying to learn anything new on the computer. I

have to ask the same very basic questions again and again and again

and again and again and again and again and again...unless I write

each step down in great detail (and find a place to keep the

instructions so I can find them easily). Even then, I usually need to

ask questions.

Fortunately, ironing is not as rigorously unforgiving about variation

(the exact sequence of steps) as many computer-related chores are. I

am sure it is possible to iron a shirt in several different ways

without any of the ways being " wrong. " For me, the main consideration

is: How do I iron the next part without wrinkling the part I just

ironed?

My oldest sister taught me to iron shirts when I as 12. Before that,

I was allowed only to " sprinkle " the clothes (a step made unnecessary

by the invention of the steam iron). I now mostly enjoy ironing. It's

something I can do in a meditative kind of way while listening to

music. The activity is just enough to " anchor " me without requiring

focus from all parts of my mind.

One hint: If you accidentally iron a crease into a garment, you can

remove the crease if you dip your finger in a cup of water, run the

wet finger over the crease, and then iron the creased area dry.

Another hint: some pants can be left un-ironed if, as soon as you get

them out of the dryer, you hang them over a hangar the right way.

Hold them upside down by the leg cuffs. Match ends of the inner seams

together, then match the seam-ends of the outer side of the legs to

the already-matched seam-ends of the inner side of the legs. Hold the

leg ends together with the seam-ends all together (the leg ends will

flatten out) and shake the pants until they hang from the ends of the

legs with no big folds in the legs. Then slip the ends of the legs

over the bar on a hangar, drawing the legs through until

approximately half the pants are on the each side of the hangar bar.

Drape the pants over the hangar bar like that, and as they hang in

the closet they will acquire no creases other than the " good " crease

that ironed pants have down the front of the legs.

Jane

[Guest guest]

> Fortunately, ironing is not as rigorously unforgiving about variation

> (the exact sequence of steps) as many computer-related chores are. I

> am sure it is possible to iron a shirt in several different ways

> without any of the ways being " wrong. " For me, the main consideration

> is: How do I iron the next part without wrinkling the part I just

> ironed?

The rule I learned is " Iron small parts first, big parts last " . The logic

is that a small part is less likely to get crinkled then a big part with

later ironing.

> Another hint: some pants can be left un-ironed if, as soon as you get

> them out of the dryer, you hang them over a hangar the right way.

> Hold them upside down by the leg cuffs. Match ends of the inner seams

> together, then match the seam-ends of the outer side of the legs to

> the already-matched seam-ends of the inner side of the legs. Hold the

> leg ends together with the seam-ends all together (the leg ends will

> flatten out) and shake the pants until they hang from the ends of the

> legs with no big folds in the legs. Then slip the ends of the legs

> over the bar on a hangar, drawing the legs through until

> approximately half the pants are on the each side of the hangar bar.

I hang pants with special hangers that clip to the waist rather then

having things fold over them. I think they are typically used for skirts,

but they do work fine for pants. Then I don't have to worry about getting

horizontal creases in the pants.

One other suggestion - someone probably already wrote everything there is

to know about ironing on the Internet. Looking, I see:

http://www.askmen.com/fashion/how_to/21_how_to.html

That's just the first one I saw (the second one, thanks to the wonders of

Google, was how to iron without an iron - but that seems too confusing for

my brain to grasp, kind of like eating without food <grin>). Obviously it

is geared toward male clothes, but I'm sure there are similar ones for

women too. If you can find a site with enough detail and in the right

format for your cognitive processes, you may just print it out.

Okay, one more other suggestion - you may want to laminate your

instructions too, since when you're ironing, you'll typically use at least

some water. If you're like me, you spill plenty of water on everything.

--

[Guest guest]

***

I have to

> ask my mom what

> order to press the parts of the shirt/pants,

***

If you ask your mother she will tell you her way.

Learn your own way so it will be easier and more

natural for you.

***

***

> I also can't

> remember how things go-- do you lay the garment flat

> on the board, do

> you wrap it around the board, which way does it

> hang, yada yada yada?

***

Look at the shape of the garment then place it on the

board in a way so you have a smooth place to iron.

Otherwise you will be ironing out wrinkles on the top

side of the garment and ironing in wrinkles on the

bottom side.

The ironing board is shaped the way it is so you can

lay parts of the garment flat and wrap other parts

around it.

The procedure for ironing is any methodical way so

that the entire garment is ironed. Care must be given

so that you don't press wrinkles into the ironed

portion as you slide the garment around the board.

-Some people start anywhere and hold the garment up to

see where else needs pressing.

-Another method is to start down one side and go up

the other side.

-I have found it is helpful to iron the collar,

sleeves, cuffs, button placket and other hard to reach

areas first then iron the larger areas.

***

***

> And before anyone says, take the clothes out of the

> dryer as soon as

> possible so they don't get wrinkled...

***

Don't listen.

And don't listen to advice that recommends you

change your wardrobe.

Although you might want to consider how much time a

garment is going to require to be kept nice before you

buy it. Do you want to spend time studying or

ironing. Then again, doing the ironing is a good time

to memorize your notes.

***

***

> of is that possibly 60 minutes is way too long to

> set the dryer on and

> that I need to go to a shorter drying cycle...

***

Different fabric content requires different dryer

times and settings.

Thicker fabric requires more heat which might be too

much for thinner fabric dried with it. In this case,

you could set the time for longer or sort your clothes

by drier requirements.

***

***

> how to either iron

> clothes or avoid doing so, could you share your

> secrets?

***

Ironing gets easier the more you do it. Some

garments might have a weave or a shape that might

require you to develop a specific technique for just

that one.

-Button or zip up the front of your shirts leaving

the cuffs and collar tips unbuttoned and snap your

pants so they maintain their shape during the tumbling

of washing and drying.

-The pockets in pants and jackets sometimes don't

totally dry so turn these garments inside out before

you dry them.

-To prevent fading dark-colored garments should be

washed inside out.

-Knits should be turn inside out also to keep the

outside surface smooth. Otherwise some knits develop

tiny balls of fabric called pillows on them.

-It is easier to turn dry garments inside out than

wet ones so do this when you throw them into your

dirty-clothes container or before they go into the

washer.

-Fleece should not be turned inside out or you lose

the soft, warm features of why you bought the fleece.

-Knits will enable you to avoid ironing, however they

lose their shape more than clothes from woven fabric

and they feel differently against your skin.

-Fabric softener reduces wrinkles but it adds an odor

to your clothes and weakens the fabric over time and

could irritate your skin.

Relax. Ironing is just one more thing that you will

have to get used to in grad school. Be patient with

yourself. In time you will find a method and a

procedure that works for you.

~~Bonnie

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[Guest guest]

> I agree with that written instructions (with pictures, if/as

> needed) would be a good idea. The way you are with ironing, that's

> exactly how I am when trying to learn anything new on the computer. I

> have to ask the same very basic questions again and again and again

> and again and again and again and again and again...unless I write

> each step down in great detail (and find a place to keep the

> instructions so I can find them easily). Even then, I usually need to

> ask questions.

Yeah... What I'm thinking of doing is drawing out pictures of the

front and back of shirts and pants, and writing little numbers to

indicate the order that things need to be ironed in. That's a lot

easier for me to process than either highly detailed drawings or

written instructions...

> Fortunately, ironing is not as rigorously unforgiving about variation

> (the exact sequence of steps) as many computer-related chores are. I

> am sure it is possible to iron a shirt in several different ways

> without any of the ways being " wrong. " For me, the main consideration

> is: How do I iron the next part without wrinkling the part I just

> ironed?

And unfortunately, that's what I'm still trying to figure out! It

seems that whenever I try to come up with my own way of ironing, I end

up doing exactly what you warned against.

> I now mostly enjoy ironing. It's

> something I can do in a meditative kind of way while listening to

> music. The activity is just enough to " anchor " me without requiring

> focus from all parts of my mind.

Hm. I still have to hyperfocus on it, because if I don't, I'll run

over my fingers.

> Another hint: some pants can be left un-ironed if, as soon as you get

> them out of the dryer, you hang them over a hangar the right way.

Yeah, that's what I was saying earlier... everything I dry comes out

of the dryer with wrinkles all over, long before I even hang/fold

them. Do they eventually straighten out or something? Or do I just

need to, as I said, take them out of the dryer earlier, or experiment

with different time settings?

What time and temperature settings do you use on the dryer, anyway?

I'm guessing 60 minutes at maximum heat is wrong, from what everyone's

been telling me, but nobody's been too clear on what's *right*...

--

Cody B. / " codeman38 "

cody@...

http://www.zone38.net/

[Guest guest]

> The rule I learned is " Iron small parts first, big parts last " . The logic

> is that a small part is less likely to get crinkled then a big part with

> later ironing.

Ooooh. That applies to the order my mom's been teaching me, but it

never even dawned on me that that's what I was doing until someone

came out and explicitly told me so earlier tonight.

> One other suggestion - someone probably already wrote everything there is

> to know about ironing on the Internet. Looking, I see:

> http://www.askmen.com/fashion/how_to/21_how_to.html

>

> That's just the first one I saw (the second one, thanks to the wonders of

> Google, was how to iron without an iron - but that seems too confusing for

> my brain to grasp, kind of like eating without food <grin>). Obviously it

> is geared toward male clothes, but I'm sure there are similar ones for

> women too. If you can find a site with enough detail and in the right

> format for your cognitive processes, you may just print it out.

Yeah, that's the problem-- I'm still trying to find one in the right

format for my thinking style.

For instance, the AskMen instructions are perfectly OK, except for

this one step in the middle:

" Once you're done ironing the back, work your way along each side of

the article, by gradually rotating the shirt to each side of the

ironing board. "

Now, maybe for an NT, this is enough of an explanation to be

necessary. But for me, it's incredibly vague. First off, there are

six directions I could potentially rotate the shirt, and I'm not sure

which one I need to be going- seeing that they said 'each side', I'm

assuming the mean turning it in the direction that would move the

center of the shirt where the side was. I still don't understand the

bit about 'each side' of the ironing board, though-- do they mean

lengthwise or widthwise? And what do you do when you have it rotated

so that the sleeve is under the shirt-- wouldn't that bulk things up?

--

Cody B. / " codeman38 "

cody@...

http://www.zone38.net/

[Guest guest]

Cody B. wrote:

>

> What time and temperature settings do you use on the dryer, anyway?

> I'm guessing 60 minutes at maximum heat is wrong, from what everyone's

> been telling me, but nobody's been too clear on what's *right*...

>

I vary it, but I generally dry 'regular' weight clothes (t-shirts,

slacks, jeans, etc.) perhaps 30 - 40 minutes on medium heat. They're

usually warm but a little damp when I take them out... I then

immediately hang them, smooth them off with my hands, and they usually

come out relatively wrinkle-free. (It also helps if you can get away

with wearing " nice casual " attire, as that is far less likely to need

ironing in the first place. If it won't matter that much, as it didn't

at my university, you might try that approach instead.)

--

" Moggy " DeGraf

http://sonic.net/mustang/moggy

[Guest guest]

> What time and temperature settings do you use on the dryer, anyway?

> I'm guessing 60 minutes at maximum heat is wrong, from what everyone's

> been telling me, but nobody's been too clear on what's *right*...

I wear jeans which are very hard to wrinkle.

I also wear golf shirts that I've *never* ironed and don't think they have

ever come out of the dryer wrinkled (they can sit in there for a week and

get wrinkled, but redrying them usually fixes that). I've found " thick "

fabrics seem more wrinkle resistant then thin ones.

That was said so you know this might not apply to your clothes, but I just

throw everything into the dryer, and typically dry on maximum heat for 90

minutes. If I forget to take things out, I dry everything *again* (even

though it is already dry). I do buy fairly sturdy clothes though.

--

[Guest guest]

> For instance, the AskMen instructions are perfectly OK, except for

> this one step in the middle:

> " Once you're done ironing the back, work your way along each side of

> the article, by gradually rotating the shirt to each side of the

> ironing board. "

I have problems with cooking for similar reasons. People will say, " Cook

until done " or " The dish will be a dark red when finished. " How done is

done and how dark is dark? I don't tolerate vagueness in cooking

directions well.

--

[Guest guest]

Cody wrote:

>Yeah, that's what I was saying earlier... everything I dry comes out

>of the dryer with wrinkles all over, long before I even hang/fold

>them. Do they eventually straighten out or something?

Different fabrics react differently. I have some black denim jeans

that I can hang up (after taking them out of the dryer) without

ironing and they look okay. Other fabrics aren't that accommodating.

>What time and temperature settings do you use on the dryer, anyway?

>I'm guessing 60 minutes at maximum heat is wrong, from what everyone's

>been telling me, but nobody's been too clear on what's *right*...

My dryer is about 30 years old and doesn't confuse me with a lot of

choices. ;-)

I dry everything on the " gentle " cycle and set the timer-thingy for

" more dry " (on the gentle cycle part of the dial). I also use a " no

fragrances " softener sheet in the dryer, which I know not everyone

can tolerate. (The non- " no fragrances " kind, I can't allow in the

house even if the box has not been opened and is wrapped in a plastic

bag.)

If you can establish routines (in order to get things done and/or not

forget to do them), make it part of your laundry routine to clean out

the lint from the dryer's lint-trap. I do that before I turn the

dryer on each time.

Jane

[Guest guest]

> I vary it, but I generally dry 'regular' weight clothes (t-shirts,

> slacks, jeans, etc.) perhaps 30 - 40 minutes on medium heat. They're

> usually warm but a little damp when I take them out... I then

> immediately hang them, smooth them off with my hands, and they usually

> come out relatively wrinkle-free. (It also helps if you can get away

> with wearing " nice casual " attire, as that is far less likely to need

> ironing in the first place. If it won't matter that much, as it didn't

> at my university, you might try that approach instead.)

Aha. That confirms what everyone else has told me: DON'T let them

dry all the way! That's why they keep ending up wrinkled-- the dryer

is literally drying the wrinkles that accumulate into the clothes...

I don't mind something being slightly wrinkled, but apparently the

settings I was using on the dryer, combined with the fact that these

are cotton clothes, made them come out looking as if I had slept in

them for a week or so. Which is not usually acceptable even for " nice

casual " attire.

--

Cody B. / " codeman38 "

cody@...

http://www.zone38.net/

[Guest guest]

> I also wear golf shirts that I've *never* ironed and don't think they have

> ever come out of the dryer wrinkled (they can sit in there for a week and

> get wrinkled, but redrying them usually fixes that). I've found " thick "

> fabrics seem more wrinkle resistant then thin ones.

>

> That was said so you know this might not apply to your clothes, but I just

> throw everything into the dryer, and typically dry on maximum heat for 90

> minutes. If I forget to take things out, I dry everything *again* (even

> though it is already dry). I do buy fairly sturdy clothes though.

<blinkblink> You've put *golf shirts* in on maximum heat for 90

minutes and they don't come out wrinkled? How the heck do you do

that? I have quite a few golf-ish polo shirts, and they end up

looking like I've slept in them when I take them out of the dryer.

--

Cody B. / " codeman38 "

cody@...

http://www.zone38.net/

[Guest guest]

> <blinkblink> You've put *golf shirts* in on maximum heat for 90

> minutes and they don't come out wrinkled? How the heck do you do

> that? I have quite a few golf-ish polo shirts, and they end up

> looking like I've slept in them when I take them out of the dryer.

I don't know. I just have always done it this way. The possibilities I

can think of:

1) I'm thinking of something else when I say golf shirts

2) My golf shirts are different in substance from yours in some way

3) It has something to do with my dryer.

On #3, the idea I have is that you may be putting too much stuff in your

dryer at once. Things need room to move around. I have a small washer,

so the dryer is never too full.

--

[Guest guest]

> I dry everything on the " gentle " cycle and set the timer-thingy for

> " more dry " (on the gentle cycle part of the dial).

Is " gentle " a temperature setting? I don't see anything labelled

" gentle " on my dryer's main control, though there is a " delicate "

temperature. There's a permanent-press section on the main knob; is

that the same thing?

> I also use a " no

> fragrances " softener sheet in the dryer, which I know not everyone

> can tolerate. (The non- " no fragrances " kind, I can't allow in the

> house even if the box has not been opened and is wrapped in a plastic

> bag.)

Totally can associate here! My allergies are horrible, and I can only

use the fragrance-free stuff if I don't want to keep sneezing all over

myself.

> If you can establish routines (in order to get things done and/or not

> forget to do them), make it part of your laundry routine to clean out

> the lint from the dryer's lint-trap. I do that before I turn the

> dryer on each time.

Same here.

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Cody B. / " codeman38 "

cody@...

http://www.zone38.net/

[Guest guest]

Cody wrote:

>Is " gentle " a temperature setting? I don't see anything labelled

> " gentle " on my dryer's main control, though there is a " delicate "

>temperature.

I suspect " gentle " and " delicate " are the same thing, in dryer tersm.

> There's a permanent-press section on the main knob; is

>that the same thing?

Sorry, now you've ventured beyond my area of semi-expertise.

" Permanent press " is not in my vocabulary (nor in my dryer's

vocabulary).

Jane

[Guest guest]

>

>

> > <blinkblink> You've put *golf shirts* in on maximum heat for 90

> > minutes and they don't come out wrinkled? How the heck do you do

> > that? I have quite a few golf-ish polo shirts, and they end up

> > looking like I've slept in them when I take them out of the dryer.

>

> I don't know. I just have always done it this way. The possibilities I

> can think of:

>

> 1) I'm thinking of something else when I say golf shirts

>

> 2) My golf shirts are different in substance from yours in some way

Could very well be the case. The ones I'm referring to, I've noticed,

are 100% cotton, which could be part of the issue-- I'm guessing yours

aren't?

> 3) It has something to do with my dryer.

>

> On #3, the idea I have is that you may be putting too much stuff in your

> dryer at once. Things need room to move around. I have a small washer,

> so the dryer is never too full.

Yeah-- I usually don't fill the dryer more than halfway... and even

with extremely small loads consisting of only a couple shirts,

everything still ends up wrinkled. So that's not the problem.

--

Cody B. / " codeman38 "

cody@...

http://www.zone38.net/

[Guest guest]

> Could very well be the case. The ones I'm referring to, I've noticed,

> are 100% cotton, which could be part of the issue-- I'm guessing yours

> aren't?

Some are, but most are not. I do think cotton wrinkles easier, but not

sure.

--

[Guest guest]

>

> So... Anyone else here who has successfully learned how to either iron

> clothes or avoid doing so, could you share your secrets? This is

> really beginning to frustrate me, and I don't want to go off to

> graduate school too frustrated.

>

> --

> Cody B. / " codeman38 "

> cody@z...

> http://www.zone38.net/

My favorite solution to this is to not buy clothes that need

ironing. I am very much a T-shirt person. When I have to be formal and

go on the NT circuit, I pay the laundry to iron my NT costume.

Another method is to lay your ironable stuff flat under a clean

sheet in bed and let your dog lie on it for a day.

Jerry Newport

[Guest guest]

> My favorite solution to this is to not buy clothes that need

> ironing. I am very much a T-shirt person. When I have to be formal and

> go on the NT circuit, I pay the laundry to iron my NT costume.

Oh, I'm very much a T-shirt person too, but I have a hard time finding

anything that's not cotton! And, well, I've already mentioned how

cotton comes out of my dryer-- heck, even HALF-wrinkled would be a

good thing right now.

--

Cody B. / " codeman38 "

cody@...

http://www.zone38.net/

[Guest guest]

Cody wrote:

> So... Anyone else here who has successfully learned how to either

> iron clothes or avoid doing so, could you share your secrets? This

> is really beginning to frustrate me, and I don't want to go off to

> graduate school too frustrated.

Hi Cody,

Well, I've read everyone else's replies to this and figure I may as

well chime in. I don't own an iron, don't plan to get one, and I'm

58 years old.

The Navy taught me how to press clothes with my hands and fold them

so that they're not wrinkly, and I still do that, those that I don't

hang while they're still very slightly moist.

I only wear jeans for pants, I press them out on a table and hang

them over thick plastic hangars (not wire hangars). I have some

polo shirts, and just checked them for cotton content. Most of them

are 60% cotton, 40% polyester. Some were 50/50. I shake them out

and hang them up promptly - no wrinkles. I have long and short sleeve

shirts that are all cotton. Same thing, just shake them out and hang

them. They aren't wrinkled that I can see.

If you really want to avoid ironing, buy slacks and shirts from

Haband, a mail-order outfit. They have mostly permanent press stuff,

and it's not expensive. Anything you don't like, you can send back

for full credit or refund.

I also fold my underwear and roll my socks. You don't want these to

be wet when you put them away, or you'll get mildew.

Iron clothes? Screw that! I can still recall my mother ironing

clothes for my 3 older sisters while they were at school and I wasn't

old enough yet. She made it look like the hardest thing in the world,

and it always put her in such a bad mood! She tried to get me to iron

my own shirts when I was about 12, but I burnt my arm really bad on

the iron, and decided I was having none of it.

Clay

[Guest guest]

> I only wear jeans for pants, I press them out on a table and hang

> them over thick plastic hangars (not wire hangars).

I also prefer to wear jeans, but whenever I dry them they end up

curling up at the bottom of the leg, which doesn't look good *at all*.

How do I avoid this?

Should I use the 'permanent press' setting on my dryer, rather than

the regular cycle?

> I have some

> polo shirts, and just checked them for cotton content. Most of them

> are 60% cotton, 40% polyester. Some were 50/50. I shake them out

> and hang them up promptly - no wrinkles. I have long and short sleeve

> shirts that are all cotton. Same thing, just shake them out and hang

> them. They aren't wrinkled that I can see.

Funny, because mine STILL end up horrendously wrinkled before they

even leave the dryer, and remain so regardless of how much I shake

them out.

Obviously I'm using the wrong settings on the dryer-- but what *am* I

supposed to be setting it to?

--

Cody B. / " codeman38 "

cody@...

http://www.zone38.net/

[Guest guest]

At 08:25 AM 6/13/2005, Cody B. intoned:

>Funny, because mine STILL end up horrendously wrinkled before they

>even leave the dryer, and remain so regardless of how much I shake

>them out.

>

>Obviously I'm using the wrong settings on the dryer-- but what *am* I

>supposed to be setting it to?

Actually, Cody, it sounds to me like you're overloading the dryer and

leaving them in for too long. Are you drying at home? Do you have a

moisture sensor setting? You want to take them out when they are just dry,

and smooth them out while they are still warm.

If there are too many clothes, they can't tumble freely, which will wrinkle

them, and leaving them in too long sets those wrinkles as if you ironed

them in.

Z

" What are we going to do tonight, Brain? "

" The same thing we do every night, Pinky. We're going to try to take over

the world!! " ---Pinky and the Brain

[Guest guest]

> Actually, Cody, it sounds to me like you're overloading the dryer and

> leaving them in for too long. Are you drying at home? Do you have a

> moisture sensor setting? You want to take them out when they are just dry,

> and smooth them out while they are still warm.

This same thing happens when I make sure absolutely not to overload

the dryer-- I can throw in just one or two T-shirts and they still

come out unbelievably wrinkled.

Maybe I need to use the moisture sensor setting... this is the first

washer my family had that offered such a thing.

--

Cody B. / " codeman38 "

cody@...

http://www.zone38.net/

[Guest guest]

Cody wrote:

> I also prefer to wear jeans, but whenever I dry them they end up

> curling up at the bottom of the leg, which doesn't look good *at

> all*. How do I avoid this?

You mean the doubled-over hemmmed part on the bottom? That should

respond to being flattened out, either by hand or just iron that part.

> Should I use the 'permanent press' setting on my dryer, rather than

> the regular cycle?

I always use the regular setting, and the machine goes for 55 minutes

for 4 quarters. :-) Sometimes I take some stuff out early, cause

I'll want them a little damp, for hanging.

> Funny, because mine STILL end up horrendously wrinkled before they

> even leave the dryer, and remain so regardless of how much I shake

> them out.

I don't know, the only time mine get wrinkled is if I forget and

leave them in the dryer after the cycle is over.

Clay

[Guest guest]

> > I also prefer to wear jeans, but whenever I dry

> them they end up

> > curling up at the bottom of the leg,

***

Grab the waist band with one hand and the cuff with

the other hand and snap/pull them away from each

other.

Lay the pants on a flat surface to fold: smooth with

your hand one pant leg; aligning the seams; flip the

pants over like a pancake to smooth the other leg;

with your hand smooth out the fabric between the legs

also.

Or drape them on a hanger taking care that the legs

are smooth on both sides.

It is acceptable for Levi's not to be perfectly

smooth. If the wrinkles personally offend you then

your time is well spent to smooth them out but if you

are thinking people will notice, they won't.

***

***

> > Funny, because mine STILL end up horrendously

> wrinkled before they

> > even leave the dryer,

***

So do mine.

I hear people say: Just shake the wrinkles out.

It does not work for me.

I have used laundrymats and home washer/driers=still

wrinkles.

I have noticed that clothes wrinkle more the wetter

they are when they go into the drier.

If you're using a home drier put the clothes through

the last spin cycle again before putting them into the

drier to see if that helps.

It is too complicated and expensive to repeat the

spin cycle with a laundrymat machine.

Speaking of laundrymat...I learned not to buy certain

clothes when I used the laundrymat. With a home

machine you can wash anything you want to wear. With

care you can even wash clothes tagged as dry clean

only.

I am back to using a laundrymat at this point in my

life and when certain knit, delicate clothes get

ruined I will replace them with sturdier knit or

woven garments.

Your situation is a trial-and-error experimentation

thing.

~~Bonnie

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