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In a message dated 5/3/99 10:18:03 PM US Eastern Standard Time,

bishop@... writes:

<<

thank you for your help---we should do no sugar- no carbs- no fat? Thanks

for t he range--my dr. said a little higher than that but I want to be

normal

will try harder------kj >>

kj,

Don't cut out the carbs, and fat, U need some of each for a healthy

diet. As for sugar, no processed sugar. Ask your doctor about seeing a

dietitian, than you will have some place to start with. After you get a diet

from a dietitian than you can play with it and with BG testing U will see

what sends your BG's up by what U eat.

U never mentioned if you were on meds or Type 1 or 2. If ya did I must have

missed it...

I have not been doing this very long myself. There are many more on the

list that have so much more knowledge than me. U will find this list is a

terrific help to you.

Merry

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Kathie wrote:

<< Can we eat cheese? At the grocery today I saw that the carb and sugar

was

very very low? ... >>

Kathie, I meant to emphasize that *all* carbohydrates *are* sugars ...

complex carbohydrates are long-chain sugar molecules, whereas simple

carbohydrates are short-chain sugar molecules. It isn't " sugar diabetes " we

have (that's what they called it in my parents' time), but, essentially,

" carbohydrate intolerance " that we have.

Susie

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Kathie Jone writes:

<< we should do no sugar- no carbs- no fat? Thanks for t he range--my dr.

said a little higher than that but I want to be normal >>

Kathie, I believe the numbers Merry gave you were for fasting glucose. Our

readings would go higher than that after a meal. If we tried to *average

70-110, we would be hypoing a lot. If you aim for an average as close to 100

as possible, you will be in fine shape. As I just mentioned (but you haven't

had a chance to see yet), sugar = carbs. Fat actually offers the benefit of

slowing down our body's reaction to carbohydrates. And a certain kind of fat

(monounsaturated) is actually good for us. I try to avoid excess fat, but I

do eat fat with apparently no ill effect. And I in fact increased my

monounsaturated oil intake. Olives and olive oil are very good, and I now

eat some of my fresh veggies dipped in yummy guacamole dip. And it is nigh

unto impossible to eat *no* carbohydrates. I aim for the carbs with the most

fiber and the lowest Glycemic Index. Some good ones: cauliflower, broccoli,

green beans, salad fixings. I can eat up to 100 grams of carbs a day and

still maintain good diabetes control, it seems.

Susie

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Susie...I have a friend who ate nothing but cheese and meat and eggs for a few

months and the weight *fell* off her! She followed Atkins and would drench

things like meatballs in things like whipping cream and butter! She lost 75 lbs

in about three months and has hept if off for about a year now. She is not dm,

but was probably on the edge! Toni

OtterCritter wrote:

>

>

> Kathie writes:

>

> << Can we eat cheese? At the grocery today I saw that the carb and sugar

> was

> very very low? >>

>

> You certainly can, Kathie. But I always buy low-fat because I am trying

> to lose weight. Cheese contains a lot of fat. (Check the calories on the

> labels!)

>

> << Is the Atkins diet one that we can use? >>

>

> Atkins certainly is. My only complaint is that he doesn't alert readers

> enough to how many calories they can unwittingly take in if they don't watch

> the calorie/fat level of the low-carb foods. And he doesn't make it clear in

> his book that when dieters note that they are spilling ketones in their

> urine, there is no way to know if it is because they are truly burning their

> own body fat, or if they are just eating too much fat. And I also don't

> think it's clear enough that the recipes he includes are only for after

> dieters have completed the induction phase. Some - okay, MANY - readers miss

> the point that the ideal place to be to burn body fat is right at the edge

> of ketosis. We aim to reduce carbohydrate intake until we " pee purple, " then

> add back carbs in the form of healthy veggies, etc., until we are right

> there on the verge. I have encountered a lot of people who are gleefully

> piling on the whipped cream and other high-calorie foods, trying to keep

> that " purple thing " going.

>

> Many overweight people are hyperinsulinemic, which causes excess fluid

> retention, among otherproblems. There is this big " whoosh " of water weight

> at the beginning, when the ketosis causes the departure of a lot of excess

> retained fluid, and that sensational beginning is especially motivating for

> those of us who are insulin-resistant and as a result struggle with weight

> loss. But some of these dieters became discouraged when they failed to lose

> after that initial whoosh. We still need to remain active; we need to be

> aware that purple on the Keto-Stix should come from truly burning our own

> body fat, and not from too much fat in the diet; we need to drink 64 ounces

> of water, plus another 8 ounces for each 25 pounds we want to lose, daily;

> we need to take good supplements, especially a multi-vitamin with minerals,

> calcium, and perhaps extra B+, E and C, as well as others we select that

> could include magnesium, soy isoflavones, potassium, DHEA, etc. We should be

> aware that we can get our protein from a powder if we choose not to eat meat

> due to worries about fat or other considerations (but there are only a few

> brands that are truly non-carb ... and they taste like blackboard chalk, so

> they must be mixed with something edible). So I would recommend Atkins - but

> would recommend that you buy other works to supplement your knowledge,

> because Atkins does tend to gloss over some points - and as diabetics we

> have to assess our diet and potential health consequences more seriously

> than someone who wants to lose weight but is otherwise healthy.

>

> Kathie, this will be hard to believe, but you will bring your

> cholesterol and triglycerides down by eating more protein and fat. Sounds

> nuts ... I know ... but it works for many of us. What I always say is that

> the diabetes is the 800-lb. gorilla. We eat a lot of carbohydrates, trying

> to avoid fat, hoping for better test results, and they get worse! And it is

> because carbohydrates are the " problem food " for diabetics. So we eat a lot

> of them and our diabetes gets worse ... and when it gets worse, so does our

> overall health and our test results. Take steps to improve the diabetes (and

> that includes exercise and, if necessary, medications) and the test results

> improve like magic. I eat a very high-protein diet, and my kidneys are fine,

> and my blood work is fine. It wasn't fine at all when I was eating a

> high-carbohydrate diet, trying to minimize my meat/fat intake, thinking that

> would lower the lipids and cholesterol. Although I didn't know it at the

> time, I was unwittingly worsening my diabetes with that eating style.

>

> We want to keep our blood glucose levels as close to 100 as we can. Our

> HbA1c test results depend on the Normal Range of the lab our doctor selects.

> Lab normal ranges are often 4.5 - 5.5 ... or 4.0 - 6.0 ... or 4.4 - 6.4 ...

> it just depends. But generally, if we fall in the 5.0 to 5.5 range, we would

> be Normal. (You have to get that range from your doctor.) It is quite

> possible for type 2's eating low-carb to fall into normal range on this test

> with no medications. And many doctors will be pleased if their diabetic

> patients score at 7 or under.

>

> Susie

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In a message dated 99-05-03 18:02:56 EDT, you write:

<< Bernstein is really strict. But I am so impressed with the insights he

offers about both type1 and type 2 diabetes. >>

Yes, he is strict. But like anything else about diabetes, you need to take

in the information and then use what works for you. I cannot hold to his

parameters for carbs -- but the idea is excellent and I've modified it to fit

my situation. It's the IDEA of keeping carbs low that's important. I find I

can handle (with the help of insulin, I'll admit) 30 to 90 carbs per meal. I

DO count the carbs in everything I eat and try to keep it as low as I can

then take corresponding insulin. And I'm trying to keep my insulin doses

low. But even before I took insulin I found low-carbing helpful in reducing

my BGs.

Incidentally, Susie, could you give that formula again for subtracting fiber?

Thanks, Vicki

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Susie, I accidentally blipped your post about websites for Bernstein, Heller,

etc. I meant to keep it. Could you please repost it? Thanks, Vicki

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Hi, , I'm not a doctor so all I can do is share what I know. Glyburide

is, I believe, a sulfonurea. Sulfonureas squeeze out any insulin your

pancreas may still be producing but eventually it'll run out (uses up all

beta cells) causing eventual need for insulin. (Do I have this right,

group?) Other classes of drugs are now available that do not do this. So if

you can get your doctor to prescribe one of the other classes of drugs that

AREN'T sulfonureas you'll do better. There are many. Read Bernstein ( " Dr.

Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions, " by Bernstein, M.D.). There was a

post today that gave his website. I inadvertently erased it and hope someone

will forward the list to me again.

I myself take Glucophage, which works off the liver. Some people experience

gastric distress with this, but I've never had any problems. And it really

works for me (tho I'm on insulin now too -- but without the Glucophage I'd

undoubtedly be on higher dose. Vicki

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In a message dated 99-05-03 21:45:45 EDT, you write:

<< Can we eat cheese? >>

Hi, Bill, the only problem with cheese is that it's generally fatty. And

that affects your BG. Now, if you're a thin diabetic this isn't as much of a

problem. I'm one of 'em and for a while I was losing so much weight that my

doc told me to eat the highest fat cheese I could find. Luckily I love brie,

so for a few weeks I was eating a chunk with every meal. But even that gets

tired. And I was still losing weight, which didn't stop until I started

insulin. Vicki

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In a message dated 99-05-03 23:18:03 EDT, you write:

<< we should do no sugar- no carbs- no fat? >>

No, no, not " NO sugar/no carbs/no fat. " A little is okay. I don't have the

exact numbers, but I'm sure someone here does. Anyway, if we eat no

sugars/no carbs/no fat that doesn't leave much, does it? (protein is all!)

Vicki

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Thanks .

I have since spoken to my Dr. and he advised me to cut back on the glyburide

from 4 per day to 2 per day.

Since I am losing weight, my body do not need to produce so much insulin.

With the fat out of the way, I will continue to improve on my diet and get

regular exercise. I am also drinking 2 litres of water per day.

Re: Help

Hello ,

Sorry to hear that you got diabetes. I'm 47 and was diagenosed as a diab. II

in jan. 99. As for what to eat,

there are many good books on the subject to get you started. But I must say

that I have learned more from

listening to the experience from members on this list than from any book.

But use both sources - as for dietists and doctors, they don't have the

personal experience with diabetes - some dietists, for instance, tell you to

eat food with a high level of carb, which many diabetics will protest

against loudly.

Help

>

>

> >

> >

> >:

> >

> >I am a 46 year old male and I have just found out that I have diabetes

type

> >II.

> >What type of foods should I be eating?

> >What good book(s) on diabetes II do you recommend reading?

> >

> >

> >

> >

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...Are you low carbing? How are you losing the wieght? Toni

Young wrote:

>

>

> Thanks .

>

> I have since spoken to my Dr. and he advised me to cut back on the glyburide

> from 4 per day to 2 per day.

> Since I am losing weight, my body do not need to produce so much insulin.

> With the fat out of the way, I will continue to improve on my diet and get

> regular exercise. I am also drinking 2 litres of water per day.

>

>

>

> Re: Help

>

>

>

> Hello ,

>

> Sorry to hear that you got diabetes. I'm 47 and was diagenosed as a diab. II

> in jan. 99. As for what to eat,

> there are many good books on the subject to get you started. But I must say

> that I have learned more from

> listening to the experience from members on this list than from any book.

> But use both sources - as for dietists and doctors, they don't have the

> personal experience with diabetes - some dietists, for instance, tell you to

> eat food with a high level of carb, which many diabetics will protest

> against loudly.

>

>

>

> Help

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >:

> > >

> > >I am a 46 year old male and I have just found out that I have diabetes

> type

> > >II.

> > >What type of foods should I be eating?

> > >What good book(s) on diabetes II do you recommend reading?

> > >

> > >

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> If you can regulate your bg through diet and exercise alone, it will be the

best. I have lost 22lbs since I was diagnozed, but it isn't enough and it's not

easy! I still need to loose more weight, before I hopefully can stop taking the

tablets. Good luck with your efforts!

> Young wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Thanks .

> >

> > I have since spoken to my Dr. and he advised me to cut back on the glyburide

> > from 4 per day to 2 per day.

> > Since I am losing weight, my body do not need to produce so much insulin.

> > With the fat out of the way, I will continue to improve on my diet and get

> > regular exercise. I am also drinking 2 litres of water per day.

> >

> >

> >

> > Re: Help

> >

> >

> >

> > Hello ,

> >

> > Sorry to hear that you got diabetes. I'm 47 and was diagenosed as a diab. II

> > in jan. 99. As for what to eat <snip>

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Vicki asks:

<< ... Incidentally, Susie, could you give that formula again for

subtracting fiber? >>

I just subtract the fiber grams from the total carbohydrate grams. It isn't

foolproof, but seems to give a pretty darn good rule of thumb for

carbohydrate estimation!

Susie

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Vicki writes:

<<

Susie, I accidentally blipped your post about websites for Bernstein,

Heller,

etc. I meant to keep it. Could you please repost it? >>

Sure thing, kiddo!

Dr. Bernstein - http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/

Dr. Atkins - http://www.atkinscenter.com/

Protein Power (the Drs. Eades) - http://www.eatprotein.com

Sugar Busters - http://www.sugarbusters.com/

The Zone (Dr. Barry Sears) - http://www.drsears.com/

Carbohydrate Addicts Diet (the Hellers) -

http://www.carbohydrateaddicts.com/index.html

NeanderThin (Ray Audette) - http://www.sofdesign.com/neander/

Adiposity 101 (Chuck Forsberg) -

http://agora.rdrop.com/users/caf/adipos.html

The Ketogenic Diet (Lyle Mc) -

http://www.cyberpump.com/lyle/order.html

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Fat does not effect your BG's carbs do. I eat a lot of cheese and meat but

severely limit the carbs.

Ann S

Re: Help

> From: WHIMSY2@...

>

> In a message dated 99-05-03 21:45:45 EDT, you write:

>

> << Can we eat cheese? >>

>

> Hi, Bill, the only problem with cheese is that it's generally fatty. And

> that affects your BG. Now, if you're a thin diabetic this isn't as much of

a

> problem. I'm one of 'em and for a while I was losing so much weight that

my

> doc told me to eat the highest fat cheese I could find. Luckily I love

brie,

> so for a few weeks I was eating a chunk with every meal. But even that

gets

> tired. And I was still losing weight, which didn't stop until I started

> insulin. Vicki

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You can't fuel your body on protein alone, so fats are our next best thing.

Since I have been on a high protein, high fat, low carb diet my cholesterol

has come down.

Ann S

Re: Help

> From: WHIMSY2@...

>

> In a message dated 99-05-03 23:18:03 EDT, you write:

>

> << we should do no sugar- no carbs- no fat? >>

> No, no, not " NO sugar/no carbs/no fat. " A little is okay. I don't have

the

> exact numbers, but I'm sure someone here does. Anyway, if we eat no

> sugars/no carbs/no fat that doesn't leave much, does it? (protein is

all!)

> Vicki

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In a message dated 99-05-04 17:20:49 EDT, you write:

<< It would not workfor me to eat 30 to 90 carbs per meal! I can't even

consume

that much in a day! When I did, my insulin requirements were astronomical!

I

use R and N mixed in am and dinner and just R at lunch. Toni >>

It wouldn't have worked for me before I started insulin, either. But now I

gauge my insulin to my carbs per meal (about 20 carbs per one unit insulin)

and it seems to be working just fine (except when eating out and I

underestimate my carbs). I seem to be averaging 1-1/2 to 4 units per meal.

I also do 2 units NPH at bedtime but maybe this isn't quite enough because

lately my fasting BGs have been 135-145. Still adjusting.

Taking insulin isn't as awful as I thought it'd be. Matter of fact, I can eat

stuff now I couldn't when I was trying to control BGs with diet and meds

only.

This is sure a good example of YMMV! Vicki

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Good advice, Mr. Edd! Vicki

[Guest guest]

It would not workfor me to eat 30 to 90 carbs per meal! I can't even consume

that much in a day! When I did, my insulin requirements were astronomical! I

use R and N mixed in am and dinner and just R at lunch. Toni

WHIMSY2@... wrote:

> From: WHIMSY2@...

>

> In a message dated 99-05-03 18:02:56 EDT, you write:

>

> << Bernstein is really strict. But I am so impressed with the insights he

> offers about both type1 and type 2 diabetes. >>

>

> Yes, he is strict. But like anything else about diabetes, you need to take

> in the information and then use what works for you. I cannot hold to his

> parameters for carbs -- but the idea is excellent and I've modified it to fit

> my situation. It's the IDEA of keeping carbs low that's important. I find I

> can handle (with the help of insulin, I'll admit) 30 to 90 carbs per meal. I

> DO count the carbs in everything I eat and try to keep it as low as I can

> then take corresponding insulin. And I'm trying to keep my insulin doses

> low. But even before I took insulin I found low-carbing helpful in reducing

> my BGs.

>

> Incidentally, Susie, could you give that formula again for subtracting fiber?

> Thanks, Vicki

>

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On low carb...you limit only carbs!

WHIMSY2@... wrote:

> From: WHIMSY2@...

>

> In a message dated 99-05-03 23:18:03 EDT, you write:

>

> << we should do no sugar- no carbs- no fat? >>

> No, no, not " NO sugar/no carbs/no fat. " A little is okay. I don't have the

> exact numbers, but I'm sure someone here does. Anyway, if we eat no

> sugars/no carbs/no fat that doesn't leave much, does it? (protein is all!)

> Vicki

>

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Ok Ann...What about your weight?

Ann Stagner wrote:

>

>

> You can't fuel your body on protein alone, so fats are our next best thing.

> Since I have been on a high protein, high fat, low carb diet my cholesterol

> has come down.

>

> Ann S

> Re: Help

>

> > From: WHIMSY2@...

> >

> > In a message dated 99-05-03 23:18:03 EDT, you write:

> >

> > << we should do no sugar- no carbs- no fat? >>

> > No, no, not " NO sugar/no carbs/no fat. " A little is okay. I don't have

> the

> > exact numbers, but I'm sure someone here does. Anyway, if we eat no

> > sugars/no carbs/no fat that doesn't leave much, does it? (protein is

> all!)

> > Vicki

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Hello, Mr. Edd {S wilburrr}

Just click on that hyperlink and you can read " Adiposity 101 " by Chuck

Forsberg right on line! Or print it out and read it later. It has some

really great insights into how our modern diet and difficulty losing weight

and diabetes are intertwined.

Susie

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Bill,

Slow down. While you don't want to drag your feet in learning how best to

take care of yourself you can not do everything, or learn everything all at

once.

I think the following is a good course of action:

1. Get a meter to measure your blood sugar and use it to determine,

objectively, just where you are starting from. Take a reading when you wake

up. Take a reading 1 1/2 to 2 hours after each meal. Keep a written record

of your readings by date and time, and a record of what you ate.

2. Learn the difference between simple {table sugar, starches, candy}

carbohydrates, and complex {green vegetables} carbohydrates. Avoid the

former eat the latter.

3. If you only read one book make it Dr. Bernstein's, " Diabetes Solution. "

4. Start exercising, start slow, build on it daily, and go for the long

haul - the rest of your life.

5. Listen to your doctor, ask lots of questions, and if it doesn't feel

right grant that you are worth the greatest of care, and change doctors.

6. Extend your reading to other books, Dr. Atkins, Sugar Busters, etc.

Take a little from each reading, remembering that no one has all the

answers.

7. Read this group daily, its good for the body and soul.

Mr. Edd

None of us is as smart as all of us.

Re: Help

>

>

>Can we eat cheese? At the grocery today I saw that the carb and sugar was

>very

>very low? There must be something I am missing!! I haven't gotten a low

>carb book

>yet---will get them from the Library to decide what I like best. Is the

>Atkins diet one

>that we can use? I have to get cholest. and trycl. down too. Am going

>nut--meant to

>go to the library today. Please tell me the right range for blood sugar!

>thank you kathie

> Re: Help

>>

>>

>> >

>> >

>> >Toni Fuller writes:

>> >

>> ><< ... That probably wouldn't have happened if someone had said *low

>carb*

>> >(although I'm not really sure that will work--except that insulin needs

>are

>> >half

>> >and I have lost 5 lbs) >>

>> >

>> >Good job, Toni! And I expect that, if you still have pancreas function,

>> your

>> >insulin needs will continue to drop further.

>> >

>> ><< Bernstein is awfully strict for a beginner! You might well be

>> >overshwelmed! I'm going over to the book store in a while to buy

>Protein

>> >Power and Sugar Busters. Doc

>> >recommended the latter. >>

>> >

>> >Bernstein is really strict. But I am so impressed with the insights he

>> >offers about both type1 and type 2 diabetes. No one had ever talked to

me

>> >about the disease the way he does. Like the info about the feet. Now, to

>> get

>> >your feet wet, I have heard that " Sugar Busters " is really

> " user-friendly. "

>> >And some people like " Entering the Zone " and " Mastering the Zone " by Dr.

>> >Barry Sears because it is pretty lenient about the carbs too. The thing

>is,

>> >most of these helpful books are available in paperback format for $6-$7,

>> and

>> >that is such a small price to pay compared to the costs of the disease

>> >itself. Each book adds to our knowledge, and offers a somewhat different

>> >approach. It's worth it to spend $20-$30 on paperbacks that could make a

>> >major difference in the management of this disease. The Hellers too are

>> well

>> >thought of. They wrote " Carbohydrate Addicts' Diet. " Most of these

>authors

>> >have web sites, as well, that are very useful.

>> >

>> >Susie

>> >

>> >P.S. And thanks for your support, Toni!

>> >

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Susie,

I know I did it before but I had it again tonight and I have to thank you

for that chicken/green bean/mushroom soup casserole recipe. Had it and

sugar free chocolate pudding for dessert - 2 hours later bg 97.

Also, I have to ask, that Chuck Fosberg book, " Adiposity 101, " is that a big

fat book?

:>)

Mr. Edd

None of us is as smart as all of us.

Re: Help

>

>

>Vicki writes:

>

><<

>

>Susie, I accidentally blipped your post about websites for Bernstein,

>Heller,

>etc. I meant to keep it. Could you please repost it? >>

>

>Sure thing, kiddo!

>

>Dr. Bernstein - http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/

>Dr. Atkins - http://www.atkinscenter.com/

>Protein Power (the Drs. Eades) - http://www.eatprotein.com

>Sugar Busters - http://www.sugarbusters.com/

>The Zone (Dr. Barry Sears) - http://www.drsears.com/

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I, too am on insulin and new to it! But to eat that much carb...WOW! my insulin

would be out of site. On the no carb, I take 22 R and 22N! With carbs it was

riduculous. Doc said I could do it, but I was sure gaining the weight. 30 lbs

since Oct. I just can't do that! I'm too short and besides I can't afford to

replace all my clothes! And shoes! I have tonzs of shoes...dress, sandals,

sports, etc. My feet have been so swolen that I can't even get on most of my

sandals. And I can't throw them out or give them away! They are Naturalizers

and

they cost a lot! So, I'm trying the low carb way and doing ok. Lost 5 lbs (I'm

sure it is fluid, but hey! that's ok..I needed to!)

WHIMSY2@... wrote:

> From: WHIMSY2@...

>

> In a message dated 99-05-04 17:20:49 EDT, you write:

>

> << It would not workfor me to eat 30 to 90 carbs per meal! I can't even

> consume

> that much in a day! When I did, my insulin requirements were astronomical!

> I

> use R and N mixed in am and dinner and just R at lunch. Toni >>

>

> It wouldn't have worked for me before I started insulin, either. But now I

> gauge my insulin to my carbs per meal (about 20 carbs per one unit insulin)

> and it seems to be working just fine (except when eating out and I

> underestimate my carbs). I seem to be averaging 1-1/2 to 4 units per meal.

> I also do 2 units NPH at bedtime but maybe this isn't quite enough because

> lately my fasting BGs have been 135-145. Still adjusting.

>

> Taking insulin isn't as awful as I thought it'd be. Matter of fact, I can eat

> stuff now I couldn't when I was trying to control BGs with diet and meds

> only.

>

> This is sure a good example of YMMV! Vicki

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