Re: Can anyone help - Our story

[Guest guest]

Don, I am sorry to hear how difficult things are for you and your

family. There are many of us who can relate to your story. I don't

know anything about housing in New Mexico, but I hope someone on this

site can help you with that. As you mentioned in your message, many

of us know how hard it can be to think clearly because of the toxins

in our brains. Just thought I would throw out a comment in regard to

your plan. I don't know much about RV living, but it seems like it

would be very difficult to live in an RV with 4 children and travel

around the country. What about school? Wouldn't it be good to get

your children settled in a safe environment where they can make

friends and start feeling safe again? I am speaking from

experience. I have moved my family 5 times since our exposure and it

is very hard on our kids.

>

> Hi all,

>

> We were active here about 2 years ago and had many phone

conversations with KC over our issue. We lived in a house that was

full of mold and we became very sensitized. We live in Shelbyville,

Indiana and due to our exposure we smell it everywhere, in the

stores, in homes we look at in an attempt to find a clean rental,

just living here our condition is worsening. Myself, I don't care if

I were to die except for the fact that I don't want to leave my

children, our greatest concern however is our children. We NEED to

get them out of this area and into the southwest, perhaps New Mexico,

but we have very limited resources, here is a letter I wrote to a

friend that is a brief summary of what we've been through in the past

7 years:

>

> Wanna hear a sob story? (I don't burden myself with it daily,

but I just

> keep on tackling life one day at a time) Our move cannot be so

smooth.

> About 7 years ago, I had a good paying job, owned a house, and

basically

> thought everything was going well. One night I went in to work to

discover

> I wouldn't be working there anymore. My boss said I was one of his

best

> men, and everyone said I would never have to worry about lay offs.

Life

> throws curves some times. We picked up a couple paper routes, and

built a

> nice business on Ebay dealing with antiques and collectibles, then

the next

> brick hit the fan. I came down a flight of stairs like a kid, but

I don't

> wear a young mans chothes anymore, and my back spoke up to say it

wasn't so

> young anymore either. I had a herniated disk, a bulging disk, and

> degerative disk disease, I've lost about 3 inches of height since

then.

>

> I could no longer stand up and work, something I'd done all my

life, we

> were forced to file bankruptcy, we were talked into putting our

house in the

> bankruptcy by our attorney, then when the mortgage company file for

a relief

> from stay, our attorney never responded so we got a foreclosure

compiled on

> top of our bankruptcy. We could no longer do Ebay because of my

back, the

> packing, hours at the auction, etc. We worked two paper routes for

a few

> years, until my back degenerated to a point where I could not spend

3 hours

> in the car anymore. My back has improved, but I still have to be

careful

> and cannot spend lengthy periods of time on my feet and need good

support

> behind my lower back when I sit.

>

> Social Security denied me three times, so I was left on my own,

> penniless, out of work, and unable to work a significant job, with

4

> children still living at home, one of which is handicapped. For

the past

> seven years we have lived on our wits. I still run a paper route,

we get a

> small SSI check for our autistic boy, and have taught ourselves how

to make

> money on the internet. I have an affiliate web site that I

advertise and

> sell electronic equiptment on, it did real well this past Christmas

season,

> but we had to use the money to pay off debts we incurred over the

past

> couple years trying to learn how to survive and paying bills.

>

> At present, we have no job lined up in NM, a paper route here,

about 2

> grand to move on, and we have to be out of this house the end of

his month.

> We've looked at houses in the area for the past year, and have

found nothing

> within our budget that isn't mold infested. We did find one place,

but for

> some reason that landlord will not rent to us. He is a young kid,

and I

> think our bankruptcy scares him.

>

> Funny, we've danced for seven years on the edge of anxiety and

disaster,

> yet my faith and my family have kept us going, and we have never

lost hope.

> What we really would like to do is get an RV and travel the country

working

> gourd shows. We worked one in Ohio on a cold rainy weekend and

made about

> $600 selling Carmella's hand cream, the gourd report booklets, and

gourd

> charts, but we had to pay the $600 to pay for the RV rental. It

was a test

> that tells us we could do it, in conjunction with the internet

work, but due

> to the bankruptcy and forclosure, we can't get financing on an RV,

and my

> greatest fear is if we move to NM, we have no job lined up and

renters will

> be weary of that. I'd take a tent and live in it if we had to, but

somehow

> we have to find a way out of here because of how the mold is

affecting us.

> Carmella actually suffers from Mold induced Fibromyalgia like

symptoms, and

> we all have resperitory problems as a result of the mold exposure

from the

> house we lived in. Oh yeah, I didn't mention it was the house we

moved into

> after losing our house 7 years ago.

>

> We still have not decided that this is what we should do, we

have two

> more weeks to think about it, but we have to do something....

(That two weeks is now two days, we are supposed to be out of the

house we are in on May 1st and have still not found a suitable

rental. Our lease is up and the landlord will not repair the central

air system which is causing air quality issues, and this house too is

now becoming a moldy house because of that. Because of our

disagreement, he wants us out of his house now, but that's another

long story.

>

> We are looking for any kind of help in relocating to New

Mexico, some land with a clean trailer, travel trailer, RV, (these

would help us to work gourd shows and give us another source of

income), a clean house in the country for rent, anything. We have

faithfully paid our rent and our bills, but we will be losing our

paper route by making this move. Even if there is someone who lives

there who can view houses for us to insure they are mold free homes

would be a big help.

>

> If anyone has any information, a piece of ground we can camp

on, whatever, please let us know. Our only needs are an internet

connection so we can continue our work and make a living.

>

> I'm sorry, I hate asking for anything, and maybe that is why we

are still here, but we need help and have very limited resources. We

lost everything we owned when we moved from the moldy house. What we

did not lose moving from that house, we sold yesterday in a yard sale

so we are stripped down to the bare essentials for a simplified

move. We don't care much about belongings any more, we want our

lives, we want to be able to create an opportunity for our children

more than we want material items. Maybe we just are not even thinking

clearly anymore, that too could be mold related. Then again, maybe

we are thinking more clearly for the first time in two years. Our

children have suffered from nose bleeds, asthma, fungal infections,

my wife suffers from pain like fibromyalgia, bumps growing from her

knuckles, we all get rashes, suffer from resperatory issues and

more. I'm sure many of you know what we are suffering. Maybe someone

else out there has been through this and as a result has learned

something that can help us out, to know what we should do to get

relocated. We will spend most of what we have just to get to NM, but

if we stay here, we will die.... Slowly

>

> I would also like to take the moment to thank KC for being here

for us 2 years ago when we ran into the problems, for educating us

and for understanding what we were going through. In my tears, my

heart goes out there to all of you who have suffered, I know where

you are and where you have been, I know the feeling of people acting

like your just making this all up. We are the modern day lepers, and

if we can get out there and get something started, we would be more

than happy to help others as much as we can as well.

>

> Maybe we can all pitch in and buy 50 acres in NM, and create

lots for people to park, or offer up lots for people to develop to

help nget them back on their feet. We are the lepers of modern

society, but only because we know what others don't know, we need a

mold colony of people who understand and listen.

>

> Thank you so much for hearing my rambling, we just don't know

what to do anymore. We feel utterly hopless at this point.

>

> Dan

> Dan & Carmella Dunkin

> Evil Thrives when good men do nothing...

> The Gourd Reserve

> http://www.thegourdreserve.com

> The Gourd Reserve Forum

> http://www.forums.thegourdreserve.com/index.php

>

>

[Guest guest]

HI, SORRY TO HEAR YOUR STORY, CAN YOU GO LIVE WITH ANY OF YOUR

CHILDREN? AT LEAST IT MAY BE BETTER THAN THERE. SORRY, NOT MUCH HELP.

SEEMS THIS ILLNESS LEAVES MOST OF US WITH NOTHING..

>

> and Don,

>

> I know many people here have the same problems, and maybe this

isn't where to find help or assistance, unless someone else has

aready made the move and possibly have some extra ground for

temporary set up until we get situated. However, I think probably my

biggest need in contacting the group on this, is the need to tell

someone who truly understands our problem, and I know the people on

this group do understand. We are so disbelieved about how bad mold

is, my own mother called me an idiot. We do have a few around here

that are beginning to listen, but it has been a constant battle and

crusade of writing letters, talking to people, etc.

>

> (As far as moving the kids around, our kids have been home

schooled, and always have been. They are emotionally stable and

associate with other kids quite well. In fact, they are quick to

make friends. They WANT to do this. My wife and I never did as well

at making friends as our children do.)

>

> I know mold can be found anywhere, but we have become so mold

sensitive and chemical sensitive that we can smell mold in most cases

before we even enter a house. Our youngest son is so sensitive, we

found a house we thought was OK, and the instant he stepped inside he

began coughing, so on further inspection we did find mold.

>

> Indiana used to be swamp land and when it rains, water stands

for days many times. Our particular area used to be flood plains, in

fact there are pictures in the library and around town showing a

heavy rain from the early 1900's when downtown was about 4 feet under

water. Needless to say, 90% of this town has serious mold problems.

When you walk outside, you can smell the mold, it is that bad, but

most people don't even realize it.

>

> NM and the Southwest on the other hand are much dryer, yes

buildings can still have issues, but we used to live in Southern

California and the issues were minimal to nearly non existent. Not

to mention my wife has had allergies since she was a child, and when

we lived in Ca, they did not bother her. All of our grown kids are

headed west, and there is nothing left for us here except for illness

and mold. I'm serious as a heart attack, you can smell the mold in

the air. In fact, when we moved to Shelbyville, we joked about how

as soon as we got off the interstate and headed south toward town, it

smelled like mushrooms. I was excited hoping to find lots of Morels

in the area. No such luck, but the ground in many areas has a slimy

green mold, (not moss), all the tree's have it about 1/4 of the year

around, and as stated before, nearly every single house except for

the new and expensive houses have mold, and even some of the new

houses have mold already. There is a new Super Wal Mart in town, it

was just built and opened about 3 years ago, and they have mold,

especially in the produce area and every time we shop there, we get

sick.

>

> Doing a search on the internet for air quality, the southwest

keeps coming up in almost every area of air quality as being the

cleanest environment. With the severity of our sensitivity, it seems

to be our best option.

>

> It is like this, I'm swimming 100 yards offshore in a lake.

I'm exhausted and cannot keep my head above water much longer. On

the shore are bears or other beasts that are a potential threat, but

it is either die out here in the lake, or swim to shore and take your

chances. I'll take my chances for some dry ground, scorpions or not.

>

> By the way, we actually have 8 children, only 3 are still with

us, one will always be with us, he is autistic and needs constant

care, but he will be 19 years old in a few weeks. The other five are

grown and blessing us with grand children, and heading west. one

will be on a mission trip to Thailand, then will be attending school

in Texas, another is in FL, our oldest son is attending College at

Purdue, but next year will be in Europe working a co-op program for

Rolls Royce then he will be going to Texas, and our only other child

here is looking for property in Kansas, and our other son lives in

Missouri.

>

> Thank you all for listening, it is a relief just knowing

someone does understand our issues, :-)

>

> Trusting in God to lead us,

> Dan

> Dan and Carmella

> Evil Thrives when good men do nothing...

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dan & Carmella,

It definately has been a while hasn't it. It's hard to believe that

it has been two years. I often wondered how you all were doing and

I'm very sorry to hear the situation that you are in now. It has

been a journey for all of us and we are hoping that it can only get

better from here on out.

I do have a connection in NM and they definately understand the mold

issue. I'll make a call and get back with you. You both are good

people and the work you do on those gourds are absolutely beautiful.

You both have alot of talent and this alone will help get you

through.

Sometimes when I don't hear from those that I have spoken to for

great lengths of time I'm always hoping for the best, that things

worked out, their health has somewhat recovered and were able to

move on. Always good thoughts. But too often it doesn't quite work

out that way and it makes it that much harder when you are sick

yourself and have children you must tend to.

I wish I could do more to help you and everyone else, but we are all

in the same situation, if not, very close.

Take care. Talk soon,

KC

>

> Hi all,

>

> We were active here about 2 years ago and had many phone

conversations with KC over our issue. We lived in a house that was

full of mold and we became very sensitized. We live in Shelbyville,

Indiana and due to our exposure we smell it everywhere, in the

stores, in homes we look at in an attempt to find a clean rental,

just living here our condition is worsening. Myself, I don't care

if I were to die except for the fact that I don't want to leave my

children, our greatest concern however is our children. We NEED to

get them out of this area and into the southwest, perhaps New

Mexico, but we have very limited resources, here is a letter I wrote

to a friend that is a brief summary of what we've been through in

the past 7 years:

>

> Wanna hear a sob story? (I don't burden myself with it daily,

but I just

> keep on tackling life one day at a time) Our move cannot be so

smooth.

> About 7 years ago, I had a good paying job, owned a house, and

basically

> thought everything was going well. One night I went in to work to

discover

> I wouldn't be working there anymore. My boss said I was one of

his best

> men, and everyone said I would never have to worry about lay

offs. Life

> throws curves some times. We picked up a couple paper routes, and

built a

> nice business on Ebay dealing with antiques and collectibles, then

the next

> brick hit the fan. I came down a flight of stairs like a kid, but

I don't

> wear a young mans chothes anymore, and my back spoke up to say it

wasn't so

> young anymore either. I had a herniated disk, a bulging disk, and

> degerative disk disease, I've lost about 3 inches of height since

then.

>

> I could no longer stand up and work, something I'd done all my

life, we

> were forced to file bankruptcy, we were talked into putting our

house in the

> bankruptcy by our attorney, then when the mortgage company file

for a relief

> from stay, our attorney never responded so we got a foreclosure

compiled on

> top of our bankruptcy. We could no longer do Ebay because of my

back, the

> packing, hours at the auction, etc. We worked two paper routes

for a few

> years, until my back degenerated to a point where I could not

spend 3 hours

> in the car anymore. My back has improved, but I still have to be

careful

> and cannot spend lengthy periods of time on my feet and need good

support

> behind my lower back when I sit.

>

> Social Security denied me three times, so I was left on my

own,

> penniless, out of work, and unable to work a significant job, with

4

> children still living at home, one of which is handicapped. For

the past

> seven years we have lived on our wits. I still run a paper route,

we get a

> small SSI check for our autistic boy, and have taught ourselves

how to make

> money on the internet. I have an affiliate web site that I

advertise and

> sell electronic equiptment on, it did real well this past

Christmas season,

> but we had to use the money to pay off debts we incurred over the

past

> couple years trying to learn how to survive and paying bills.

>

> At present, we have no job lined up in NM, a paper route here,

about 2

> grand to move on, and we have to be out of this house the end of

his month.

> We've looked at houses in the area for the past year, and have

found nothing

> within our budget that isn't mold infested. We did find one

place, but for

> some reason that landlord will not rent to us. He is a young kid,

and I

> think our bankruptcy scares him.

>

> Funny, we've danced for seven years on the edge of anxiety and

disaster,

> yet my faith and my family have kept us going, and we have never

lost hope.

> What we really would like to do is get an RV and travel the

country working

> gourd shows. We worked one in Ohio on a cold rainy weekend and

made about

> $600 selling Carmella's hand cream, the gourd report booklets, and

gourd

> charts, but we had to pay the $600 to pay for the RV rental. It

was a test

> that tells us we could do it, in conjunction with the internet

work, but due

> to the bankruptcy and forclosure, we can't get financing on an RV,

and my

> greatest fear is if we move to NM, we have no job lined up and

renters will

> be weary of that. I'd take a tent and live in it if we had to,

but somehow

> we have to find a way out of here because of how the mold is

affecting us.

> Carmella actually suffers from Mold induced Fibromyalgia like

symptoms, and

> we all have resperitory problems as a result of the mold exposure

from the

> house we lived in. Oh yeah, I didn't mention it was the house we

moved into

> after losing our house 7 years ago.

>

> We still have not decided that this is what we should do, we

have two

> more weeks to think about it, but we have to do something....

(That two weeks is now two days, we are supposed to be out of the

house we are in on May 1st and have still not found a suitable

rental. Our lease is up and the landlord will not repair the

central air system which is causing air quality issues, and this

house too is now becoming a moldy house because of that. Because of

our disagreement, he wants us out of his house now, but that's

another long story.

>

> We are looking for any kind of help in relocating to New

Mexico, some land with a clean trailer, travel trailer, RV, (these

would help us to work gourd shows and give us another source of

income), a clean house in the country for rent, anything. We have

faithfully paid our rent and our bills, but we will be losing our

paper route by making this move. Even if there is someone who lives

there who can view houses for us to insure they are mold free homes

would be a big help.

>

> If anyone has any information, a piece of ground we can camp

on, whatever, please let us know. Our only needs are an internet

connection so we can continue our work and make a living.

>

> I'm sorry, I hate asking for anything, and maybe that is why

we are still here, but we need help and have very limited

resources. We lost everything we owned when we moved from the moldy

house. What we did not lose moving from that house, we sold

yesterday in a yard sale so we are stripped down to the bare

essentials for a simplified move. We don't care much about

belongings any more, we want our lives, we want to be able to create

an opportunity for our children more than we want material items.

Maybe we just are not even thinking clearly anymore, that too could

be mold related. Then again, maybe we are thinking more clearly for

the first time in two years. Our children have suffered from nose

bleeds, asthma, fungal infections, my wife suffers from pain like

fibromyalgia, bumps growing from her knuckles, we all get rashes,

suffer from resperatory issues and more. I'm sure many of you know

what we are suffering. Maybe someone else out there has been through

this and as a result has learned something that can help us out, to

know what we should do to get relocated. We will spend most of what

we have just to get to NM, but if we stay here, we will die....

Slowly

>

> I would also like to take the moment to thank KC for being

here for us 2 years ago when we ran into the problems, for educating

us and for understanding what we were going through. In my tears,

my heart goes out there to all of you who have suffered, I know

where you are and where you have been, I know the feeling of people

acting like your just making this all up. We are the modern day

lepers, and if we can get out there and get something started, we

would be more than happy to help others as much as we can as well.

>

> Maybe we can all pitch in and buy 50 acres in NM, and create

lots for people to park, or offer up lots for people to develop to

help nget them back on their feet. We are the lepers of modern

society, but only because we know what others don't know, we need a

mold colony of people who understand and listen.

>

> Thank you so much for hearing my rambling, we just don't know

what to do anymore. We feel utterly hopless at this point.

>

> Dan

> Dan & Carmella Dunkin

> Evil Thrives when good men do nothing...

> The Gourd Reserve

> http://www.thegourdreserve.com

> The Gourd Reserve Forum

> http://www.forums.thegourdreserve.com/index.php

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan and Carmella,

Yes, I too am sorry to hear your story. I also have a similar story

but what makes mine worse is that my family IS in a position to help

(they have the funds and the resources, etc.) but they REFUSE to

help so my daughter and I, who we are both as I say dying slowly,

are still living in my mold infested apartment and can't get the

treatment we need! JUST HANG IN THERE. I WISH I COULD OFFER YOU SOME

HELP BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING THROUGH. But I'm not familiar

with the NM area. I live in CA. GOOD LUCK AND I WISH YOU AND YOUR

FAMILY WELL.

Dana

>

> Who wrote>

> HI, SORRY TO HEAR YOUR STORY, CAN YOU GO LIVE WITH ANY OF YOUR

> CHILDREN? AT LEAST IT MAY BE BETTER THAN THERE. SORRY, NOT MUCH

HELP.

> SEEMS THIS ILLNESS LEAVES MOST OF US WITH NOTHING..--- In

>

>

> We would have pressed that issue if it were a possibility. Of

our local children, the one on the co-op with Rolls Royce has an

aparrtment provided to him by Rolls, and he cannot share or sublet,

etc. Our local daughter has a very small two bedroom apt, and

indiana laws will not allow that because if you have a boy and a

girl, you MUST have a 3 bedroom. She has four beautiful girls. :-)

Our boy in MO lives in a trailer that probably isn't any better than

what we are facing here, our daughter is FL lives with her boy

friend and she has said they have a lot of mold because they are

always getting rained on and wet, and last but not least, our other

local daughter is newly wed and graduating from college, after which

they are going into missionary training then will be spending a year

in Thailand. The rest live with us.

>

> Thank you for the thought though, our daughter with the four

girls did say we could go to her apartment Tuesday so I can rebuild

my tech web site. I populate it with nothing but sale items for the

month on electronic stuff. That is our primary source of income, so

for her offer we are truly grateful. Our children have grown up to

be such blessings to us and we are grateful most of them are doing

fairly well.

>

> We aren't left completely with nothing, we have two laptops

for working on the road, a van with 200,000 miles on it but runs

good, and the most loving chldren and immediate family unit any one

could possibly hope for, but none of them are in a position to help.

>

> Thanks again,

> Dan

> Dan & Carmella Dunkin

> Evil Thrives when good men do nothing...

> The Gourd Reserve

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dan,

I am sorry that I can't help you with NM connections - I don't have

any in that part of the country at all. Something in your post did

catch my eye - your mention that your wife has bumps growing from her

knuckles. I have a large 'cyst' according to xray, on the side of my

knuckle that is actually causing my finger to twist and deviate to one

side. Sometimes it is painful. It is totally internal, the skin is

normal. Does this sound like what your wife has? Surgical removal

has been recommended but can't afford it. Your post is the first I

have heard of another mold survivor with this problem. (Like you - I

lost my house, job, sick still from mold, trying to scrape together a

living - I do know what you are suffering! And I am smelling mold

really strong tonight; am in Michigan).

Good luck to you -

Sue

>>Then again, maybe we are thinking more clearly for the first time in

two years. Our children have suffered from nose bleeds, asthma,

fungal infections, my wife suffers from pain like fibromyalgia, bumps

growing from her knuckles, we all get rashes, suffer from resperatory

issues and more. I'm sure many of you know what we are suffering.

Maybe someone else out there has been through this and as a result has

learned something that can help us out, to know what we should do to

get relocated. We will spend most of what we have just to get to NM,

but if we stay here, we will die.... Slowly

[Guest guest]

I don't think moving around will be healthy for the kids. They need

to be settled and nested. I know because I constantly moved my 2

kids when I was a single divorced mom. If I had it to go over again,

I would had never moved them from the first place! I know mold is

bad and seems to be everywhere but moving and moving and moving and

moving, is not good for kids.

--- In , " charlesb35 " <charlesb35@...>

wrote:

>

> Don, I am sorry to hear how difficult things are for you and your

> family. There are many of us who can relate to your story.

[Guest guest]

Reading this, you have a wonderful family and family life!! Your

words absolutely proved my statements wrong!! I apologize, I was just

going by my on experence. You and your wife have done well and from

what I just read, there would be a better world if all were like you

two!

> >

> > Don, I am sorry to hear how difficult things are for you and

your

> > family. There are many of us who can relate to your story.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dan!!

My little ones are grown now!! I have a 2 and a half year old

granddaughter who is the apple of my eye!

>

> Jackie,

>

> Thank you so much for the kind words. I don't know that my

words prove anything, it may not work for others as we are all

different and unique which is what makes meeting people such a

wonderful experience, even though it is not always a good one.

>

> We all make mistakes in raising our children, parenting is a

learning experience in itself. Love you children, and let them know

you are their friend as well as a parent. Spend time with them, and

I'm sure they will grow up just fine.

>

> Dan & Carmella

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dan & Carmella,

Thanks so much for the thoughts and yes I called the health

department but they weren't much help. All they said is that they

could right my family a letter and make some " suggestions " to fix

the problems but unless there was visible mold (and there was but

not at the time the inspector came) there was nothing more they

could do. I then went to every housing department to see if I could

get any kind of temporary housing but I didn't qualify for most of

the prgrams because I wasn't technically homesless. The bottom line

is the city, the county, the state and the federal people don't want

to accept that people get this sick from mold because they don't

want to have to do anything about it... but enough about me. I hope

you and your family have found some help with your situation. Thanks

again...

This **** brain fog, excuse me, but it's kicking my butt today. Hope

this all makes sense.

Dana

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> Dana,

>

> That is horrible, we do know how you feel, and I have wept

many times over a situation like yours. I didn't mention it in the

previous letter because I've already written off any chance of

getting help from that direction. There is a member of my family

that could possibly help, but her money is worth more to her than

her son, so I look down the family tree for help, not up. My last

conversation explaining how bad things had gotten awarded me

the " you're an Idiot " label. There is nothing that cuts deeper or

hurts more than when someone who is supposed to love you and has it

well within their grasp to do so, will stand on the sidelines

watching you die and do nothing. Our prayers are with you and your

daughter, because we know exactly how you feel and what you are

going through.

>

> You live in an apartment? Won't your local health department

help and make them clean up the mold? There must be others living

there also whos health is at stake. If you haven't called the

health department, I would give them a call. Of course we called on

our current house, but the kid that owns it plays golf with every

doctor, lawyer, judge, health department personell, etc. in this

town, (small town america). If you don't know someone important or

have money, your out of luck and alone.

>

> Our thoughts and prayers to everyone on this group,

> Dan

> Dan & Carmella

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