Re: fired - Andy

[Guest guest]

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> *****Again, what you write sounds perfectly normal and expected

> (embarrassment and humiliation) at the moment of the event.

> Nothing, neither prayer, nor meditation, nor The Work, nor

> psychotherapy, nor being " enlightened " will prevent momentary

> arisings of upset, hurt, grief, anger, whatever. Nothing will

> construct a life free from the appearance of these feelings and

> anyone who is telling you otherwise is bullshitting you.

> Such " negative " feelings are part of being

> human (as are love, joy, happiness, comrarderie, laughter,

> compassion).

>

Oh ... Andy as I understand it someone who has undone all their

painful concepts with the Work would indeed be totally free of

upset, hurt, grief or anger. How could those feelings arise if the

thoughts which cause them were seen as simply amusing? As

says " Sanity doesn't suffer, ever . . . ever! Sanity doesn't

suffer, ever, ever! Isn't that lovely? " So if I suffer from

feelings of upset, hurt, grief or anger I know I am INSANE and it's

time to do the Work and find the truth if I want to end my suffering.

Negative feelings are NOT a necessary part of being human! Negative

feelings only arise when I mistakenly attach to thoughts which argue

with what I am i.e. love, peace and joy. My natural state of being

is joy, peace and love if I am feeling ANYTHING else then I am

INSANE. The medicine to restore my SANITY is the Work.

Have a beautiful day

" There's nothing between you and love but unquestioned concepts. "

Byron

[Guest guest]

Oh ... Andy as I understand it someone who has undone all their

painful concepts with the Work would indeed be totally free of

upset, hurt, grief or anger.

*****Yep. I agree. I've never met anyone who " has undone all their

paintful concepts " (with or without the Work). No reason why it

couldn't happen. I just have no direct, one-on-one experience with a

person who has achieved it.

How could those feelings arise if the thoughts which cause them were

seen as simply amusing?

*****Agreed. If every, single one of a person's core beliefs (that

could provoke painful feelings) were eradicated, the painful feelings

would have no ship on which to sail. I don't know anyone,

personally, who has this state.

As says " Sanity doesn't suffer, ever . . . ever! Sanity doesn't

suffer, ever, ever! Isn't that lovely? " So if I suffer from

feelings of upset, hurt, grief or anger I know I am INSANE and it's

time to do the Work and find the truth if I want to end my suffering.

*****I don't see a brief, momentary feeling of any emotion

as " suffering. " Perhaps we differ there. I see " suffering " as the

extension -- beyond the momentary appearance -- of the painful

emotions. The appearance of an upset is not an issue for me. I

recognize what it is, where it comes from, and, in doing that, it

always, always, falls away. (It may return. Sure. And then a

repeat happens: recognition of what it is, where it comes, and the

subsequent falling away of the upset.) I'm just not afraid of

feelings of upset, hurt, grief, or anger. They come and they go and

do no fundamental harm. In my lexicon, " suffering " is the projection

into a " future " of a state I wish not to have. It happens in thought

via imagination. It is a mental construct. Not a state of being.

If the imaginative mechanism doesn't occur, or if it does occur and

is quickly seen through and emptied of all affect, then there is no

suffering.

Negative feelings are NOT a necessary part of being human! Negative

feelings only arise when I mistakenly attach to thoughts which argue

with what I am i.e. love, peace and joy.

*****OK. I'll emend the earlier comment comment and say that this:

the act of mistakenly attaching to thoughts which argue with what our

natural state of being is are part of being human. I think these

attachments happen quite universally, until every single belief is

eradicated (and that includes all core ones). It is certainly

theorectically possible. I just don't know personally of anyone who

has done it. I know that Byron has written that she has, from

time to time, stressful thoughts and then she does The Work on them.

Until every belief stored in memory which has the potential to

generate upsetting feelings is eradicated (a lifelong journey in my

estimation but one not to be avoided because of its magnitude

either!), the most useful and timely approach I have discovered is to

be able to quickly cut off the horizontal involvement in the thoughts

(once they have arisen), to sharply and effectively see that an

attachment is happening and break the investment in the thought.

It's a kind of dissassociation: dis-associating what we genuinely are

truly are from what thought says we are. It kinda brings me back to

right Here, right Now. The Work has shown some usefulness in this

regard.

My natural state of being is joy, peace and love if I am feeling

ANYTHING else then I am INSANE. The medicine to restore my SANITY is

the Work.

*****OK. That's how you see it. I won't attempt to suggest

otherwise. How I see it is this: I don't know what my natural state

of being is. I only know what my last state of being was. This

happens when, in retrospect, I look back a moment later. At the

moment of its happening, that's all there is: *thusness* or what-is-

happening. There is no " me " around to evaluate, assess, compare, or

contrast it. I am absolutely not there. A moment (or two) later, I

return (or at least I have, so far) with the arising of a thought and

via memory, a state-of-being is then constructed (a " me " who " had "

the thought-emotion a moment earlier).

Have a beautiful day

*****Thank you, I will. And you too. And are there any other

kinds? :-)))