Guest guest Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 Welcome to the group! My name is Angel...I JUST moved away from Lancaster, CA, to Utah. I have 6 children.... #3, , has MDS. is 13 now, and also has a bowel disease, called Hirschsprung's Disease. It can be hard to tell another parent about what their MDS child might be like....there can be SOOO many differences, and many of them HUGE differences. Of course the parenting matters, and the resources they've had matter... the percentage of cells with the trisomy 21... etc... how much do you know about the little boy?? Look forward to hearing more!! ~~ANGEL~~ mom to , 13, MDS/HD Lance 18, Ty 14, 12 Jaeda 10 & Shayne 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 Hi It is quite a big step for you and your wife to adopt two children at once! I wish you the best of luck! International Mosaic Down Syndrome Association (IMDSA) is the only organization in the world that has information on mosaic Down syndrome. If you visit our website you can find our information sheets and brochure. We hope to add more information in the coming months to help everyone better understand mosaic Down syndrome. Because a person with MDS has a varying percent of affected cells, it is very difficult to tell you " this is how it is going to be " So, I can tell you some basics and I know that other parents will join in with their experiences. The majority of children with MDS have speech difficulties. Speech Therapy can help and sometimes remedy this problem. The majority of children with MDS have motor skill difficulties. Occupational Therapy and/or Physical Therapy can help and sometimes remedy this problem. There are some health risks that people with MDS can face. These are the same health risks that a person with Down syndrome faces because the person with MDS has at least " some " affected cells. An annual check up with your doctor will help keep your child healthy. Learning difficulties vary drastically between each individual. Some need special education while others need no help at all. Math seems to be the biggest problem with the majority of children with MDS, while most report that their children love to read and write and do it well! Some " good " qualities... Out of my 5 sons, my son with MDS was the ONLY one who didn't rebel in the teenage years! lol (I hear this from many other parents who have kids with MDS too) Having a child with Special Needs changes your life. Not the way that you expect...Yes, your life is possibly more busy with therapy and medical appointments (if necessary) but your life changes because you never take a simple thing for granted. When your child reaches even the smallest milestone you and your wife will rejoice! You become more compassionate and passionate about things that you never thought were important before. My son, Tim, says that he is glad he has mosaic Down syndrome because without it, he wouldn't be the person he is today....What he doesn't realize is without him having mosaic Down syndrome *I* wouldn't be the person I am today! Please feel free to ask any questions you have! No question is a dumb question and we will all be very happy to answer them for you! Kristy Colvin IMDSA President Mom to Arron 25, 21, Tim 20 MDS, Stevan 19 and Garrett 10 THE ONLY HANDICAP A PERSON HAS ARE THE PEOPLE AROUND THEM! 'TM' www.imdsa.com wrote: Hello - My name is , I am from Artesia, CA and I work as a web programmer. My wife and I are currently in process of adopting a girl from China. However, we have been given the opportunity to adopt a baby boy here in the states who has been diagnosed with MDS. We are still in the thinking process of doing this, and we are not going to give up on our China adoption, so we would be doing this in tandem. The internet, which usually serves me so well, seems to have very limited information on MDS, so I am looking for information... I would be eager to read the experiences of those who have parented MDS children and get more information on what my wife and I could expect if we went ahead with this adoption. You may feel free to look through our adoption blog, which discusses only our china adoption, but it will give you a perspective on who we are. Thanks -- c | eh The Lone Coder http://www.ouradoptionblog.com Join our journey of adoption http://www.thelonecoder.com stephen@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 Thanks for the welcome.. Here is the information that I have presently. This was sent to me via email. I have not communicated directly with the grandmother since we don't want to get anyone's hopes up until we know that we can handle all the facets of this decision... >>Begin quote << As to the questions, I'm not sure I understand everything yet but he is at present a state-owned child. We will be fostering him so I think the state will retain custody. My daughter will have her rights terminated in April if she continues to ignore the court ordered process to regain custody. My husband and I are willing to do whatever we can to facilitate adoption by your family as long as they are agreeable to our visiting and having family time with the child. The case worker I have been dealing with is very helpful and sensitive to our concerns as well as the happiness of our little grandson. I forgot to mention that the child will also get social security. The amount depends on the income of the adoptive family (as least that is my understanding) until he reaches 18 then it will be the usual amount allowed by the government. That being said, our aim is to find a truly loving and spiritually prosperous home for this little guy. Another way we can help is by being available to care for him if his new parents need a vacation or a break. He is a very sweet young man and with the right motivation he will prosper. A little more on his condition-I don't know yet what percentage of his cells are affected but from what I've read on Mosaic Down Syndrome he should be perfectly able to attend regular classes and graduate from high school and will be capable of living on his own and caring for himself. ... Back to the MDS, the usual concern with these individuals is that they can have heart problems, however the child has been tested and has none of the typical problems. He does have dry skin and some muscle weakness, hence the physical therapy, but we're working hard to get him walking and exercising in the next couple of months. He can stand on his own and cruises around the furniture like any other kid. He crawls amazingly fast and knows exactly where he is going. If I can provide further information let me know please. I'll pass along what I learn from DHS as I get more information. We expect to have him in our home full time by the end of this month. Thanks so much for your help and input! >> End Quote << -- c | eh The Lone Coder http://www.ouradoptionblog.com Join our journey of adoption http://www.thelonecoder.com stephen@... > > Reply-To: <MosaicDS > > Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 14:52:54 EST > To: <MosaicDS > > Subject: Re: New Member introduction > > Welcome to the group! My name is Angel...I JUST moved away from Lancaster, > CA, to Utah. I have 6 children.... #3, , has MDS. is 13 now, and > also has a bowel disease, called Hirschsprung's Disease. It can be hard to > tell another parent about what their MDS child might be like....there can be > SOOO many differences, and many of them HUGE differences. Of course the > parenting matters, and the resources they've had matter... the percentage > of > cells with the trisomy 21... etc... > > how much do you know about the little boy?? > > Look forward to hearing more!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 Thank you!!! This is excellent information. I have checked out the IMDSA site, but will give it a more thorough look through.. <?php /* c | eh The Lone Coder http://www.ouradoptionblog.com Join our journey of adoption http://www.thelonecoder.com stephen@... continuing the struggle against bad code */ ?> > > Reply-To: <MosaicDS > > Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:11:14 -0800 (PST) > To: <MosaicDS > > Subject: Re: New Member introduction > > Hi > It is quite a big step for you and your wife to adopt two children at once! > I wish you the best of luck! > > International Mosaic Down Syndrome Association (IMDSA) is the only > organization in the world that has information on mosaic Down syndrome. If you > visit our website you can find our information sheets and brochure. We hope to > add more information in the coming months to help everyone better understand > mosaic Down syndrome. > > Because a person with MDS has a varying percent of affected cells, it is > very difficult to tell you " this is how it is going to be " So, I can tell you > some basics and I know that other parents will join in with their experiences. > > > The majority of children with MDS have speech difficulties. Speech Therapy > can help and sometimes remedy this problem. > The majority of children with MDS have motor skill difficulties. > Occupational Therapy and/or Physical Therapy can help and sometimes remedy > this problem. > There are some health risks that people with MDS can face. These are the > same health risks that a person with Down syndrome faces because the person > with MDS has at least " some " affected cells. An annual check up with your > doctor will help keep your child healthy. > Learning difficulties vary drastically between each individual. Some need > special education while others need no help at all. Math seems to be the > biggest problem with the majority of children with MDS, while most report that > their children love to read and write and do it well! > Some " good " qualities... > > Out of my 5 sons, my son with MDS was the ONLY one who didn't rebel in the > teenage years! lol (I hear this from many other parents who have kids with MDS > too) > Having a child with Special Needs changes your life. Not the way that you > expect...Yes, your life is possibly more busy with therapy and medical > appointments (if necessary) but your life changes because you never take a > simple thing for granted. When your child reaches even the smallest milestone > you and your wife will rejoice! You become more compassionate and passionate > about things that you never thought were important before. > My son, Tim, says that he is glad he has mosaic Down syndrome because without > it, he wouldn't be the person he is today....What he doesn't realize is > without him having mosaic Down syndrome *I* wouldn't be the person I am today! > Please feel free to ask any questions you have! No question is a dumb > question and we will all be very happy to answer them for you! > > Kristy Colvin > IMDSA President > Mom to Arron 25, 21, Tim 20 MDS, Stevan 19 and Garrett 10 > THE ONLY HANDICAP A PERSON HAS ARE THE PEOPLE AROUND THEM! 'TM' > www.imdsa.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 I know my son, even though he has a bowel disease as well....has been very healthy. Even with the bowel condition, we don't have to have any special diets, etc.... individuals with Down's generally have a weaker immune system, and can catch more colds, etc.... but when you get into MDS, that may or may not be an issue... I feel compelled to respond to one of the grandmothers comments...about how because he's mosaic, he should be able to attend regular classes, and graduate hs, and live on his own...etc.... That is really such an UNKNOWN. She may be repeating what doctors, and people are telling her, I know I had doctors spouting things off when my son was diagnosed, about how much higher functioning he'd be, etc... so I didn't do things with him, like, sign language, as a toddler........well, it wasn't the case that he was " so much more higher functioning " , and the poor lil guy couldn't communicate with us at home, and became a very frustrated little boy!! NOW, not that many children, even in our group, with MDS, are very high functioning.... I know there are many who get thru school with nothing more than a resource class or two, or an aide....but you just can't know those things until you get to that point~~ every MDS child is unique, and individual....and have their own talents, and their own weaknesses, etc. My son, as i said, is 13 now, and he's in an 8th grade special ed class. At this point, we are focusing more on life skills, than " academics " . is more academically delayed than a LOT of the children on this board. Now, I often suspect there may be something else going on with him, but I haven't had much luck getting people to see " beyond " his MDS, and they want to attribute everything to. doesn't read, but has a few sight words...he has learned to do math on a calculator... but he's NEVER been a behavior problem.... he's well liked everywhere he goes...makes friends...he's typically 13 in the girl department, as he loves to tell me about the pretty girls at school, and says he wants a girlfriend, ha.... he's good friends with his brothers.... he can play the HECK out of some video games!!! He is obsessed with all things Spiderman, and has the 2 most recent movies, completely memorized, and can act out the entire movie as he watches them!!! He has quite a sense of humor....he's a really good kid!!! Will he ever drive? I have no idea... probably not. Will he ever live on his own? wow.... i can't really imagine that. Will he work? That I believe he can do, and will probably LOVE. Will he ever marry or have children......... NO idea.... ~~ANGEL~~ mom to , 13, MDS/HD Lance 18, Ty 14, 12 Jaeda 10 & Shayne 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2006 Report Share Posted December 21, 2006 Plain unaltered " Shea Butter " works very well on the dry skin. You will need to determine whether or not the child has any allergies or sensitivities; gluten is a problem with some children. (That just means you have to use different kinds of flour when cooking and the child can still eat unlimited meats, vegetables, and fruits in their unaltered state-without gluten additives like sauces.) <That is really not a big deal and a healthy lifestyle change for most people anyways.> You may find also that the percentage of cells with Trisomy 21 lessen as the child grows older and this is normal. Kristy gave you some of the worst case scenarios; you may have little to no issues. Muscle tone can improve with therapy, as can speech. The fact that you are willing to adopt ANY child that someone else saw a problem with keeping and raising is VERY commendable. Treat any child you adopt with the same LOVE, CARE, and CONCERN that you would your own child. It is that simple and easy. We all here wish you the best of luck in raising your children and we will always be here to offer you help and advice along the way. To: MosaicDS@...: stephen@...: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 12:32:58 -0800Subject: Re: New Member introduction Thanks for the welcome..Here is the information that I have presently. This was sent to me viaemail. I have not communicated directly with the grandmother since we don'twant to get anyone's hopes up until we know that we can handle all thefacets of this decision...>>Begin quote << As to the questions, I'm not sure I understand everything yet but he is atpresent a state-owned child. We will be fostering him so I think the statewill retain custody. My daughter will have her rights terminated in Aprilif she continues to ignore the court ordered process to regain custody. Myhusband and I are willing to do whatever we can to facilitate adoption byyour family as long as they are agreeable to our visiting and having familytime with the child. The case worker I have been dealing with is veryhelpful and sensitive to our concerns as well as the happiness of our littlegrandson. I forgot to mention that the child will also get socialsecurity. The amount depends on the income of the adoptive family (as leastthat is my understanding) until he reaches 18 then it will be the usualamount allowed by the government. That being said, our aim is to find atruly loving and spiritually prosperous home for this little guy. Anotherway we can help is by being available to care for him if his new parentsneed a vacation or a break. He is a very sweet young man and with the rightmotivation he will prosper. A little more on his condition-I don't know yetwhat percentage of his cells are affected but from what I've read on MosaicDown Syndrome he should be perfectly able to attend regular classes andgraduate from high school and will be capable of living on his own andcaring for himself. ... Back to the MDS, the usual concern with theseindividuals is that they can have heart problems, however the child has beentested and has none of the typical problems. He does have dry skin and somemuscle weakness, hence the physical therapy, but we're working hard to gethim walking and exercising in the next couple of months. He can stand onhis own and cruises around the furniture like any other kid. He crawlsamazingly fast and knows exactly where he is going. If I can providefurther information let me know please. I'll pass along what I learn fromDHS as I get more information. We expect to have him in our home full timeby the end of this month. Thanks so much for your help and input! >> End Quote << -- c | ehThe Lone Coderhttp://www.ouradoptionblog.comJoin our journey of adoptionhttp://www.thelonecoder.comstephenthelonecoder> From: > Reply-To: <MosaicDS >> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 14:52:54 EST> To: <MosaicDS >> Subject: Re: New Member introduction> > Welcome to the group! My name is Angel...I JUST moved away from Lancaster,> CA, to Utah. I have 6 children.... #3, , has MDS. is 13 now, and> also has a bowel disease, called Hirschsprung's Disease. It can be hard to> tell another parent about what their MDS child might be like....there can be> SOOO many differences, and many of them HUGE differences. Of course the> parenting matters, and the resources they've had matter... the percentage> of > cells with the trisomy 21... etc...> > how much do you know about the little boy??> > Look forward to hearing more!! _________________________________________________________________ Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx?locale=en-us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2006 Report Share Posted December 21, 2006 just jumping in here....but was about 5ish before we started being able to " converse " . Now... there still aren't many conversations, but I think it's just cause he's a quiet guy...not that he's not able, cause he talks a lot when he WANTS to (reenacting a movie, or while playing video games...etc) ~~ANGEL~~ mom to , 13, MDS/HD Lance 18, Ty 14, 12 Jaeda 10 & Shayne 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2006 Report Share Posted December 21, 2006 Stephan, As with any child every expierience is different, but I can share with you our expierience with raising Mahrya. Mahrya is our 6th child and really not a whole lot different than the rest of the crew. She walked at 13 months old (which is early for mds) and met all her physical milestones. She was speech delayed, but at this point (she is 10) can hold conversations with you. She does have cognitive delays, math is very difficult for her, yet she can add and subtract. She loves to read. She began reading in kindergarten and is my only child who will sneak her bedroom light on after being tucked in so she can read longer. She believes herself to be a princess and will sometimes even answer the phone " Hello, Princess Mahrya speaking " . She loves to dress up, and also is a performer. For a while she told us she needed an agent as she was going to be a star. As you can see she is pretty much a typical little girl. She will continue to need special ed at school, but here in WI she is mainstreamed with all the other kids, but has an aid or special ed teacher with her in the classroom for the core subjects. I really can't imagine her not being in our lives. Luanne Eckert mom to Mahrya 10 mds, Ben 11, Alan 18, Sandy 20, Steve 22, Dan 23 wrote: Hello - My name is , I am from Artesia, CA and I work as a web programmer. My wife and I are currently in process of adopting a girl from China. However, we have been given the opportunity to adopt a baby boy here in the states who has been diagnosed with MDS. We are still in the thinking process of doing this, and we are not going to give up on our China adoption, so we would be doing this in tandem. The internet, which usually serves me so well, seems to have very limited information on MDS, so I am looking for information... I would be eager to read the experiences of those who have parented MDS children and get more information on what my wife and I could expect if we went ahead with this adoption. You may feel free to look through our adoption blog, which discusses only our china adoption, but it will give you a perspective on who we are. Thanks -- c | eh The Lone Coder http://www.ouradoptionblog.com Join our journey of adoption http://www.thelonecoder.com stephen@... __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2006 Report Share Posted December 21, 2006 Good Morning Luanne. My name is Bobbie, I live in Cameron, WI (northwestern). I was just wondering what city you live in. Bobbie, mom to Shyanna (10-MDS & Shayla 7) Re: New Member introduction Stephan, As with any child every expierience is different, but I can share with you our expierience with raising Mahrya. Mahrya is our 6th child and really not a whole lot different than the rest of the crew. She walked at 13 months old (which is early for mds) and met all her physical milestones. She was speech delayed, but at this point (she is 10) can hold conversations with you. She does have cognitive delays, math is very difficult for her, yet she can add and subtract. She loves to read. She began reading in kindergarten and is my only child who will sneak her bedroom light on after being tucked in so she can read longer. She believes herself to be a princess and will sometimes even answer the phone " Hello, Princess Mahrya speaking " . She loves to dress up, and also is a performer. For a while she told us she needed an agent as she was going to be a star. As you can see she is pretty much a typical little girl. She will continue to need special ed at school, but here in WI she is mainstreamed with all the other kids, but has an aid or special ed teacher with her in the classroom for the core subjects. I really can't imagine her not being in our lives. Luanne Eckert mom to Mahrya 10 mds, Ben 11, Alan 18, Sandy 20, Steve 22, Dan 23 wrote: Hello - My name is , I am from Artesia, CA and I work as a web programmer. My wife and I are currently in process of adopting a girl from China. However, we have been given the opportunity to adopt a baby boy here in the states who has been diagnosed with MDS. We are still in the thinking process of doing this, and we are not going to give up on our China adoption, so we would be doing this in tandem. The internet, which usually serves me so well, seems to have very limited information on MDS, so I am looking for information... I would be eager to read the experiences of those who have parented MDS children and get more information on what my wife and I could expect if we went ahead with this adoption. You may feel free to look through our adoption blog, which discusses only our china adoption, but it will give you a perspective on who we are. Thanks -- c | eh The Lone Coder http://www.ouradoptionblog.com Join our journey of adoption http://www.thelonecoder.com stephen@... __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2006 Report Share Posted December 21, 2006 Luanne Just a quick question. When you say Mahrya was speech delayed, at what age was she able to carry on a conversation? Just curious because Adam is 4 1/2 and he still doesn't talk much. He will use short phrases to express wants and needs - " want milk " " sit down " , but he cannot carry on any kind of a conversation. He really doesn't answer any questions unless he has an answer that he memorized. For example, if I ask him how is the weather?, he will always say " it's cloudy " whether it is sunny or cloudy because he has memorized an apporpriate answer for this question. Donna - gram to Adam 4 1/2, Skylar 4 1/2 and Mia 3 weeks Luanne Eckert wrote: Stephan, As with any child every expierience is different, but I can share with you our expierience with raising Mahrya. Mahrya is our 6th child and really not a whole lot different than the rest of the crew. She walked at 13 months old (which is early for mds) and met all her physical milestones. She was speech delayed, but at this point (she is 10) can hold conversations with you. She does have cognitive delays, math is very difficult for her, yet she can add and subtract. She loves to read. She began reading in kindergarten and is my only child who will sneak her bedroom light on after being tucked in so she can read longer. She believes herself to be a princess and will sometimes even answer the phone " Hello, Princess Mahrya speaking " . She loves to dress up, and also is a performer. For a while she told us she needed an agent as she was going to be a star. As you can see she is pretty much a typical little girl. She will continue to need special ed at school, but here in WI she is mainstreamed with all the other kids, but has an aid or special ed teacher with her in the classroom for the core subjects. I really can't imagine her not being in our lives. Luanne Eckert mom to Mahrya 10 mds, Ben 11, Alan 18, Sandy 20, Steve 22, Dan 23 wrote: Hello - My name is , I am from Artesia, CA and I work as a web programmer. My wife and I are currently in process of adopting a girl from China. However, we have been given the opportunity to adopt a baby boy here in the states who has been diagnosed with MDS. We are still in the thinking process of doing this, and we are not going to give up on our China adoption, so we would be doing this in tandem. The internet, which usually serves me so well, seems to have very limited information on MDS, so I am looking for information... I would be eager to read the experiences of those who have parented MDS children and get more information on what my wife and I could expect if we went ahead with this adoption. You may feel free to look through our adoption blog, which discusses only our china adoption, but it will give you a perspective on who we are. Thanks -- c | eh The Lone Coder http://www.ouradoptionblog.com Join our journey of adoption http://www.thelonecoder.com stephen@... __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2006 Report Share Posted December 21, 2006 Donna I would like to speak a little on this as well. When Tim was a little guy, I went through a program called " It Takes Two to Talk " from the Hanen Centre in Canada. http://www.hanen.org/ This program was beyond excellent and Tim began having conversations within a short 9 months time! Basically, it is just a new way to play with your child. Dr. Mac in Ohio has a very similar program called Communicating Partners. (I am considering asking him to join us at our next conference) I firmly believe in this program and think that the results (at least for Tim) are phenominal! If you would like to check out his site it is www.jamesdmacdonald.org Kristy Donna Spudic wrote: Luanne Just a quick question. When you say Mahrya was speech delayed, at what age was she able to carry on a conversation? Just curious because Adam is 4 1/2 and he still doesn't talk much. He will use short phrases to express wants and needs - " want milk " " sit down " , but he cannot carry on any kind of a conversation. He really doesn't answer any questions unless he has an answer that he memorized. For example, if I ask him how is the weather?, he will always say " it's cloudy " whether it is sunny or cloudy because he has memorized an apporpriate answer for this question. Donna - gram to Adam 4 1/2, Skylar 4 1/2 and Mia 3 weeks Luanne Eckert wrote: Stephan, As with any child every expierience is different, but I can share with you our expierience with raising Mahrya. Mahrya is our 6th child and really not a whole lot different than the rest of the crew. She walked at 13 months old (which is early for mds) and met all her physical milestones. She was speech delayed, but at this point (she is 10) can hold conversations with you. She does have cognitive delays, math is very difficult for her, yet she can add and subtract. She loves to read. She began reading in kindergarten and is my only child who will sneak her bedroom light on after being tucked in so she can read longer. She believes herself to be a princess and will sometimes even answer the phone " Hello, Princess Mahrya speaking " . She loves to dress up, and also is a performer. For a while she told us she needed an agent as she was going to be a star. As you can see she is pretty much a typical little girl. She will continue to need special ed at school, but here in WI she is mainstreamed with all the other kids, but has an aid or special ed teacher with her in the classroom for the core subjects. I really can't imagine her not being in our lives. Luanne Eckert mom to Mahrya 10 mds, Ben 11, Alan 18, Sandy 20, Steve 22, Dan 23 wrote: Hello - My name is , I am from Artesia, CA and I work as a web programmer. My wife and I are currently in process of adopting a girl from China. However, we have been given the opportunity to adopt a baby boy here in the states who has been diagnosed with MDS. We are still in the thinking process of doing this, and we are not going to give up on our China adoption, so we would be doing this in tandem. The internet, which usually serves me so well, seems to have very limited information on MDS, so I am looking for information... I would be eager to read the experiences of those who have parented MDS children and get more information on what my wife and I could expect if we went ahead with this adoption. You may feel free to look through our adoption blog, which discusses only our china adoption, but it will give you a perspective on who we are. Thanks -- c | eh The Lone Coder http://www.ouradoptionblog.com Join our journey of adoption http://www.thelonecoder.com stephen@... __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2006 Report Share Posted December 21, 2006 Welcome, . It is an absolutely wonderful thing what you are doing. My husband and I live on Long Island and have a wonderful 11 month-old little girl named Mia. Good luck. I also want to welcome the other new members that I may have missed the past couple of weeks!! Kim Mom to Mia 11 mos old MDS Re: New Member introduction > > Welcome to the group! My name is Angel...I JUST moved away from Lancaster, > CA, to Utah. I have 6 children.... #3, , has MDS. is 13 now, and > also has a bowel disease, called Hirschsprung's Disease. It can be hard to > tell another parent about what their MDS child might be like....there can be > SOOO many differences, and many of them HUGE differences. Of course the > parenting matters, and the resources they've had matter... the percentage > of > cells with the trisomy 21... etc... > > how much do you know about the little boy?? > > Look forward to hearing more!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2006 Report Share Posted December 21, 2006 Hi Bobbie, We live near Kewaskum, which is about 45 min north of Milwaukee. I'll have to pull out a map to see where Cameron is.... Luanne Bobbie Mayfield wrote: Good Morning Luanne. My name is Bobbie, I live in Cameron, WI (northwestern). I was just wondering what city you live in. Bobbie, mom to Shyanna (10-MDS & Shayla 7) Re: New Member introduction Stephan, As with any child every expierience is different, but I can share with you our expierience with raising Mahrya. Mahrya is our 6th child and really not a whole lot different than the rest of the crew. She walked at 13 months old (which is early for mds) and met all her physical milestones. She was speech delayed, but at this point (she is 10) can hold conversations with you. She does have cognitive delays, math is very difficult for her, yet she can add and subtract. She loves to read. She began reading in kindergarten and is my only child who will sneak her bedroom light on after being tucked in so she can read longer. She believes herself to be a princess and will sometimes even answer the phone " Hello, Princess Mahrya speaking " . She loves to dress up, and also is a performer. For a while she told us she needed an agent as she was going to be a star. As you can see she is pretty much a typical little girl. She will continue to need special ed at school, but here in WI she is mainstreamed with all the other kids, but has an aid or special ed teacher with her in the classroom for the core subjects. I really can't imagine her not being in our lives. Luanne Eckert mom to Mahrya 10 mds, Ben 11, Alan 18, Sandy 20, Steve 22, Dan 23 wrote: Hello - My name is , I am from Artesia, CA and I work as a web programmer. My wife and I are currently in process of adopting a girl from China. However, we have been given the opportunity to adopt a baby boy here in the states who has been diagnosed with MDS. We are still in the thinking process of doing this, and we are not going to give up on our China adoption, so we would be doing this in tandem. The internet, which usually serves me so well, seems to have very limited information on MDS, so I am looking for information... I would be eager to read the experiences of those who have parented MDS children and get more information on what my wife and I could expect if we went ahead with this adoption. You may feel free to look through our adoption blog, which discusses only our china adoption, but it will give you a perspective on who we are. Thanks -- c | eh The Lone Coder http://www.ouradoptionblog.com Join our journey of adoption http://www.thelonecoder.com stephen@... __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2006 Report Share Posted December 21, 2006 Taxing my brain here.....I think she was in kindergartenish, and it started out with easy answers like you mentioned and just grew from there. Of course she is a typical female with LOTS to say now and can monopolize dinner conversation if we let her. Donna Spudic wrote: Luanne Just a quick question. When you say Mahrya was speech delayed, at what age was she able to carry on a conversation? Just curious because Adam is 4 1/2 and he still doesn't talk much. He will use short phrases to express wants and needs - " want milk " " sit down " , but he cannot carry on any kind of a conversation. He really doesn't answer any questions unless he has an answer that he memorized. For example, if I ask him how is the weather?, he will always say " it's cloudy " whether it is sunny or cloudy because he has memorized an apporpriate answer for this question. Donna - gram to Adam 4 1/2, Skylar 4 1/2 and Mia 3 weeks Luanne Eckert wrote: Stephan, As with any child every expierience is different, but I can share with you our expierience with raising Mahrya. Mahrya is our 6th child and really not a whole lot different than the rest of the crew. She walked at 13 months old (which is early for mds) and met all her physical milestones. She was speech delayed, but at this point (she is 10) can hold conversations with you. She does have cognitive delays, math is very difficult for her, yet she can add and subtract. She loves to read. She began reading in kindergarten and is my only child who will sneak her bedroom light on after being tucked in so she can read longer. She believes herself to be a princess and will sometimes even answer the phone " Hello, Princess Mahrya speaking " . She loves to dress up, and also is a performer. For a while she told us she needed an agent as she was going to be a star. As you can see she is pretty much a typical little girl. She will continue to need special ed at school, but here in WI she is mainstreamed with all the other kids, but has an aid or special ed teacher with her in the classroom for the core subjects. I really can't imagine her not being in our lives. Luanne Eckert mom to Mahrya 10 mds, Ben 11, Alan 18, Sandy 20, Steve 22, Dan 23 wrote: Hello - My name is , I am from Artesia, CA and I work as a web programmer. My wife and I are currently in process of adopting a girl from China. However, we have been given the opportunity to adopt a baby boy here in the states who has been diagnosed with MDS. We are still in the thinking process of doing this, and we are not going to give up on our China adoption, so we would be doing this in tandem. The internet, which usually serves me so well, seems to have very limited information on MDS, so I am looking for information... I would be eager to read the experiences of those who have parented MDS children and get more information on what my wife and I could expect if we went ahead with this adoption. You may feel free to look through our adoption blog, which discusses only our china adoption, but it will give you a perspective on who we are. Thanks -- c | eh The Lone Coder http://www.ouradoptionblog.com Join our journey of adoption http://www.thelonecoder.com stephen@... __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 I would just like to mention that Kelvin (8 mds) loves to play out movies. He was performing to shrek since he was three. He also really likes the girls. You can't hold back the smiles when you see what he does. LDSAngel77@... wrote: I know my son, even though he has a bowel disease as well....has been very healthy. Even with the bowel condition, we don't have to have any special diets, etc.... individuals with Down's generally have a weaker immune system, and can catch more colds, etc.... but when you get into MDS, that may or may not be an issue... I feel compelled to respond to one of the grandmothers comments...about how because he's mosaic, he should be able to attend regular classes, and graduate hs, and live on his own...etc.... That is really such an UNKNOWN. She may be repeating what doctors, and people are telling her, I know I had doctors spouting things off when my son was diagnosed, about how much higher functioning he'd be, etc... so I didn't do things with him, like, sign language, as a toddler........well, it wasn't the case that he was " so much more higher functioning " , and the poor lil guy couldn't communicate with us at home, and became a very frustrated little boy!! NOW, not that many children, even in our group, with MDS, are very high functioning.... I know there are many who get thru school with nothing more than a resource class or two, or an aide....but you just can't know those things until you get to that point~~ every MDS child is unique, and individual....and have their own talents, and their own weaknesses, etc. My son, as i said, is 13 now, and he's in an 8th grade special ed class. At this point, we are focusing more on life skills, than " academics " . is more academically delayed than a LOT of the children on this board. Now, I often suspect there may be something else going on with him, but I haven't had much luck getting people to see " beyond " his MDS, and they want to attribute everything to. doesn't read, but has a few sight words...he has learned to do math on a calculator... but he's NEVER been a behavior problem.... he's well liked everywhere he goes...makes friends...he's typically 13 in the girl department, as he loves to tell me about the pretty girls at school, and says he wants a girlfriend, ha.... he's good friends with his brothers.... he can play the HECK out of some video games!!! He is obsessed with all things Spiderman, and has the 2 most recent movies, completely memorized, and can act out the entire movie as he watches them!!! He has quite a sense of humor....he's a really good kid!!! Will he ever drive? I have no idea... probably not. Will he ever live on his own? wow.... i can't really imagine that. Will he work? That I believe he can do, and will probably LOVE. Will he ever marry or have children......... NO idea.... ~~ANGEL~~ mom to , 13, MDS/HD Lance 18, Ty 14, 12 Jaeda 10 & Shayne 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 Luanne: I deleted the email telling me where you lived. I was just wondering if you are planning to go to the conference in June. Bobbie Re: New Member introduction Taxing my brain here.....I think she was in kindergartenish, and it started out with easy answers like you mentioned and just grew from there. Of course she is a typical female with LOTS to say now and can monopolize dinner conversation if we let her. Donna Spudic wrote: Luanne Just a quick question. When you say Mahrya was speech delayed, at what age was she able to carry on a conversation? Just curious because Adam is 4 1/2 and he still doesn't talk much. He will use short phrases to express wants and needs - " want milk " " sit down " , but he cannot carry on any kind of a conversation. He really doesn't answer any questions unless he has an answer that he memorized. For example, if I ask him how is the weather?, he will always say " it's cloudy " whether it is sunny or cloudy because he has memorized an apporpriate answer for this question. Donna - gram to Adam 4 1/2, Skylar 4 1/2 and Mia 3 weeks Luanne Eckert wrote: Stephan, As with any child every expierience is different, but I can share with you our expierience with raising Mahrya. Mahrya is our 6th child and really not a whole lot different than the rest of the crew. She walked at 13 months old (which is early for mds) and met all her physical milestones. She was speech delayed, but at this point (she is 10) can hold conversations with you. She does have cognitive delays, math is very difficult for her, yet she can add and subtract. She loves to read. She began reading in kindergarten and is my only child who will sneak her bedroom light on after being tucked in so she can read longer. She believes herself to be a princess and will sometimes even answer the phone " Hello, Princess Mahrya speaking " . She loves to dress up, and also is a performer. For a while she told us she needed an agent as she was going to be a star. As you can see she is pretty much a typical little girl. She will continue to need special ed at school, but here in WI she is mainstreamed with all the other kids, but has an aid or special ed teacher with her in the classroom for the core subjects. I really can't imagine her not being in our lives. Luanne Eckert mom to Mahrya 10 mds, Ben 11, Alan 18, Sandy 20, Steve 22, Dan 23 wrote: Hello - My name is , I am from Artesia, CA and I work as a web programmer. My wife and I are currently in process of adopting a girl from China. However, we have been given the opportunity to adopt a baby boy here in the states who has been diagnosed with MDS. We are still in the thinking process of doing this, and we are not going to give up on our China adoption, so we would be doing this in tandem. The internet, which usually serves me so well, seems to have very limited information on MDS, so I am looking for information... I would be eager to read the experiences of those who have parented MDS children and get more information on what my wife and I could expect if we went ahead with this adoption. You may feel free to look through our adoption blog, which discusses only our china adoption, but it will give you a perspective on who we are. Thanks -- c | eh The Lone Coder http://www.ouradoptionblog.com Join our journey of adoption http://www.thelonecoder.com stephen@... __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 > > Hi and welcome. i can only speak of my own experience W/ my daughter but has been a blessing and a joy. Every child has their own personality no matter what else they happen to have. special needs kids have just that special needs. You have to ask yourself and the babies grandmother and even his doctors what his needs are at this moment and decide if they are something that you can handle as well as dealing with the changes that two new children bring to any life. keep in mind that like any other kid his needs will change as he gets older and there will be hardships and rewards. there will be stress on both you and your wife and on your marriage as there would be with any new baby plus some because meeting those special needs will fall to the two of you and no one else.Don't misunderstand I don't mean to discourage you just be real with you. I can honestly tell you that even at the end of the worst day I have ever had I thanked God for my daughter with all my heart.There is a story by Erma Bombeck that talks about the qualities needed for a parent whose kids have special needs. I believe it's called the saint. In it It says that such a parent will never take the ordinary things for granted. It's very true and the elation you feel as you watch a child walk when you weren't sure they would be able to more than makes up for the months you spent doing therapy to see that they did.I hope everything works out for you and your family no matter what decision you make. Good Luck and God Bless Jo Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 Bobbie, We live near Kewaskum, about 45 minutes north of Milwaukee. Right now we are not planning on going to the conference as we have a bit of other traveling to do this summer with my husbands work. I wouldn't mind trying to meet up sometime, I haven't looked you up on a map yet either to see how far apart we are yet. Luanne Bobbie Mayfield wrote: Luanne: I deleted the email telling me where you lived. I was just wondering if you are planning to go to the conference in June. Bobbie Re: New Member introduction Taxing my brain here.....I think she was in kindergartenish, and it started out with easy answers like you mentioned and just grew from there. Of course she is a typical female with LOTS to say now and can monopolize dinner conversation if we let her. Donna Spudic wrote: Luanne Just a quick question. When you say Mahrya was speech delayed, at what age was she able to carry on a conversation? Just curious because Adam is 4 1/2 and he still doesn't talk much. He will use short phrases to express wants and needs - " want milk " " sit down " , but he cannot carry on any kind of a conversation. He really doesn't answer any questions unless he has an answer that he memorized. For example, if I ask him how is the weather?, he will always say " it's cloudy " whether it is sunny or cloudy because he has memorized an apporpriate answer for this question. Donna - gram to Adam 4 1/2, Skylar 4 1/2 and Mia 3 weeks Luanne Eckert wrote: Stephan, As with any child every expierience is different, but I can share with you our expierience with raising Mahrya. Mahrya is our 6th child and really not a whole lot different than the rest of the crew. She walked at 13 months old (which is early for mds) and met all her physical milestones. She was speech delayed, but at this point (she is 10) can hold conversations with you. She does have cognitive delays, math is very difficult for her, yet she can add and subtract. She loves to read. She began reading in kindergarten and is my only child who will sneak her bedroom light on after being tucked in so she can read longer. She believes herself to be a princess and will sometimes even answer the phone " Hello, Princess Mahrya speaking " . She loves to dress up, and also is a performer. For a while she told us she needed an agent as she was going to be a star. As you can see she is pretty much a typical little girl. She will continue to need special ed at school, but here in WI she is mainstreamed with all the other kids, but has an aid or special ed teacher with her in the classroom for the core subjects. I really can't imagine her not being in our lives. Luanne Eckert mom to Mahrya 10 mds, Ben 11, Alan 18, Sandy 20, Steve 22, Dan 23 wrote: Hello - My name is , I am from Artesia, CA and I work as a web programmer. My wife and I are currently in process of adopting a girl from China. However, we have been given the opportunity to adopt a baby boy here in the states who has been diagnosed with MDS. We are still in the thinking process of doing this, and we are not going to give up on our China adoption, so we would be doing this in tandem. The internet, which usually serves me so well, seems to have very limited information on MDS, so I am looking for information... I would be eager to read the experiences of those who have parented MDS children and get more information on what my wife and I could expect if we went ahead with this adoption. You may feel free to look through our adoption blog, which discusses only our china adoption, but it will give you a perspective on who we are. Thanks -- c | eh The Lone Coder http://www.ouradoptionblog.com Join our journey of adoption http://www.thelonecoder.com stephen@... __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 I do not understand how the % of cells changes as a child gets older. What effect does that have? Angie Ollie's mom 3 months > >Reply-To: MosaicDS >To: <mosaicds > >Subject: RE: New Member introduction >Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:59:00 -0500 > >Plain unaltered " Shea Butter " works very well on the dry skin. >You will need to determine whether or not the child has any allergies or >sensitivities; gluten is a problem with some children. (That just means you >have to use different kinds of flour when cooking and the child can still >eat unlimited meats, vegetables, and fruits in their unaltered >state-without gluten additives like sauces.) <That is really not a big deal >and a healthy lifestyle change for most people anyways.> >You may find also that the percentage of cells with Trisomy 21 lessen as >the child grows older and this is normal. >Kristy gave you some of the worst case scenarios; you may have little to no >issues. >Muscle tone can improve with therapy, as can speech. >The fact that you are willing to adopt ANY child that someone else saw a >problem with keeping and raising is VERY commendable. >Treat any child you adopt with the same LOVE, CARE, and CONCERN that you >would your own child. It is that simple and easy. >We all here wish you the best of luck in raising your children and we will >always be here to offer you help and advice along the way. > > > >To: MosaicDS@...: stephen@...: Wed, 20 Dec >2006 12:32:58 -0800Subject: Re: New Member introduction > > > > >Thanks for the welcome..Here is the information that I have presently. This >was sent to me viaemail. I have not communicated directly with the >grandmother since we don'twant to get anyone's hopes up until we know that >we can handle all thefacets of this decision...>>Begin quote << As to the >questions, I'm not sure I understand everything yet but he is atpresent a >state-owned child. We will be fostering him so I think the statewill >retain custody. My daughter will have her rights terminated in Aprilif she >continues to ignore the court ordered process to regain custody. Myhusband >and I are willing to do whatever we can to facilitate adoption byyour >family as long as they are agreeable to our visiting and having familytime >with the child. The case worker I have been dealing with is veryhelpful >and sensitive to our concerns as well as the happiness of our >littlegrandson. I forgot to mention that the child will also get >socialsecurity. The amount depends on the income of the adoptive family >(as leastthat is my understanding) until he reaches 18 then it will be the >usualamount allowed by the government. That being said, our aim is to find >atruly loving and spiritually prosperous home for this little guy. >Anotherway we can help is by being available to care for him if his new >parentsneed a vacation or a break. He is a very sweet young man and with >the rightmotivation he will prosper. A little more on his condition-I >don't know yetwhat percentage of his cells are affected but from what I've >read on MosaicDown Syndrome he should be perfectly able to attend regular >classes andgraduate from high school and will be capable of living on his >own andcaring for himself. ... Back to the MDS, the usual concern with >theseindividuals is that they can have heart problems, however the child >has beentested and has none of the typical problems. He does have dry skin >and somemuscle weakness, hence the physical therapy, but we're working hard >to gethim walking and exercising in the next couple of months. He can >stand onhis own and cruises around the furniture like any other kid. He >crawlsamazingly fast and knows exactly where he is going. If I can >providefurther information let me know please. I'll pass along what I >learn fromDHS as I get more information. We expect to have him in our home >full timeby the end of this month. Thanks so much for your help and input! > >> End Quote << -- c | ehThe Lone >Coderhttp://www.ouradoptionblog.comJoin our journey of >adoptionhttp://www.thelonecoder.comstephenthelonecoder> From: >> Reply-To: <MosaicDS >> Date: Wed, 20 >Dec 2006 14:52:54 EST> To: <MosaicDS >> Subject: Re: >New Member introduction> > Welcome to the group! My name is Angel...I JUST >moved away from Lancaster,> CA, to Utah. I have 6 children.... #3, , >has MDS. is 13 now, and> also has a bowel disease, called >Hirschsprung's Disease. It can be hard to> tell another parent about what >their MDS child might be like....there can be> SOOO many differences, and >many of them HUGE differences. Of course the> parenting matters, and the >resources they've had matter... the percentage> of > cells with the trisomy >21... etc...> > how much do you know about the little boy??> > Look forward >to hearing more!! > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. >http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx?locale=en-us > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Hi Angie First of all, this does not happen all of the time, but it has been seen in a number of individuals. Because there are 2 cell lines (one that has the extra chromosomes and one that is unaffected) The unaffected cells reproduce at a faster rate and when that happens it can make the % of affected cells go down. So far, the only thing that we have found that it affects is the physical characteristics. As a child grows older, the physical characteristics fade. It could very well affect other areas as well, but at this early stage in research, we just do not know. You can see this be looking at our photo albulm on our site www.imdsa.com The User ID is vktphipps and the password is mds (if anyone wants to add a photo to our albulm, just send it to Twomey at mosaicdownsyndrome@... Subject line: MDS Photo I hope this helps you better understand how this happens Kristy Angie Satterfield wrote: I do not understand how the % of cells changes as a child gets older. What effect does that have? Angie Ollie's mom 3 months >From: TenEyck >Reply-To: MosaicDS >To: >Subject: RE: New Member introduction >Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:59:00 -0500 > >Plain unaltered " Shea Butter " works very well on the dry skin. >You will need to determine whether or not the child has any allergies or >sensitivities; gluten is a problem with some children. (That just means you >have to use different kinds of flour when cooking and the child can still >eat unlimited meats, vegetables, and fruits in their unaltered >state-without gluten additives like sauces.) >and a healthy lifestyle change for most people anyways.> >You may find also that the percentage of cells with Trisomy 21 lessen as >the child grows older and this is normal. >Kristy gave you some of the worst case scenarios; you may have little to no >issues. >Muscle tone can improve with therapy, as can speech. >The fact that you are willing to adopt ANY child that someone else saw a >problem with keeping and raising is VERY commendable. >Treat any child you adopt with the same LOVE, CARE, and CONCERN that you >would your own child. It is that simple and easy. >We all here wish you the best of luck in raising your children and we will >always be here to offer you help and advice along the way. > > > >To: MosaicDS@...: stephen@...: Wed, 20 Dec >2006 12:32:58 -0800Subject: Re: New Member introduction > > > > >Thanks for the welcome..Here is the information that I have presently. This >was sent to me viaemail. I have not communicated directly with the >grandmother since we don'twant to get anyone's hopes up until we know that >we can handle all thefacets of this decision...>>Begin quote << As to the >questions, I'm not sure I understand everything yet but he is atpresent a >state-owned child. We will be fostering him so I think the statewill >retain custody. My daughter will have her rights terminated in Aprilif she >continues to ignore the court ordered process to regain custody. Myhusband >and I are willing to do whatever we can to facilitate adoption byyour >family as long as they are agreeable to our visiting and having familytime >with the child. The case worker I have been dealing with is veryhelpful >and sensitive to our concerns as well as the happiness of our >littlegrandson. I forgot to mention that the child will also get >socialsecurity. The amount depends on the income of the adoptive family >(as leastthat is my understanding) until he reaches 18 then it will be the >usualamount allowed by the government. That being said, our aim is to find >atruly loving and spiritually prosperous home for this little guy. >Anotherway we can help is by being available to care for him if his new >parentsneed a vacation or a break. He is a very sweet young man and with >the rightmotivation he will prosper. A little more on his condition-I >don't know yetwhat percentage of his cells are affected but from what I've >read on MosaicDown Syndrome he should be perfectly able to attend regular >classes andgraduate from high school and will be capable of living on his >own andcaring for himself. ... Back to the MDS, the usual concern with >theseindividuals is that they can have heart problems, however the child >has beentested and has none of the typical problems. He does have dry skin >and somemuscle weakness, hence the physical therapy, but we're working hard >to gethim walking and exercising in the next couple of months. He can >stand onhis own and cruises around the furniture like any other kid. He >crawlsamazingly fast and knows exactly where he is going. If I can >providefurther information let me know please. I'll pass along what I >learn fromDHS as I get more information. We expect to have him in our home >full timeby the end of this month. Thanks so much for your help and input! > >> End Quote << -- c | ehThe Lone >Coderhttp://www.ouradoptionblog.comJoin our journey of >adoptionhttp://www.thelonecoder.comstephenthelonecoder> From: >> Reply-To: > Date: Wed, 20 >Dec 2006 14:52:54 EST> To: > Subject: Re: >New Member introduction> > Welcome to the group! My name is Angel...I JUST >moved away from Lancaster,> CA, to Utah. I have 6 children.... #3, , >has MDS. is 13 now, and> also has a bowel disease, called >Hirschsprung's Disease. It can be hard to> tell another parent about what >their MDS child might be like....there can be> SOOO many differences, and >many of them HUGE differences. Of course the> parenting matters, and the >resources they've had matter... the percentage> of > cells with the trisomy >21... etc...> > how much do you know about the little boy??> > Look forward >to hearing more!! > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. >http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx?locale=en-us > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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