Introduction

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn:

Tell your husband to have his doctor arrange an appointment with a

dietitian who is also a CDE and she will give him a sample diet. The

ADA diet, which my dietitian gave me, is also a very healthy diet for

anyone who is also normally healthy including kids and old people. Of

course, the kids may get larger portions of some foods and more sweets

than your husband, but it is a diet that he should be able to live with

and still eat well and tasty meals. You should go with him to see the

dietitian if you possibly can. My wife went with me and has been very

supportive. I have managed to lose 48 pounds so far and only have two

more to reach 165 pounds, my goal. I eat well, although not nearly what

I used to, but I do very well and feel better than I have in 25 years.

The ADA has lots of printed material available on their web sight

including sample menus and books on eating at fast food restaurants and

other restaurants. If I can help in any way, let me know.

Tell your husband that he has to do whatever it takes to bring his

sugars into the normal range as soon as possible. He will feel much

better and will put off the complications of diabetes. If he has many

people in his family who have it, he won't want that.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all on the list.

Erwin

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn,

I have not been diagnosed for so long so I'm not the best person to advice you.

But you

may find some inspiration on some of the websites at the link-section for

diabetes_int: http://www.onelist.com/links/diabetes_int

Best regards

/ moderator

[Guest guest]

Hi, Lynn...welcome to this list. I highlighted below from Erwin's message

because of his advice to use the ADA diet. I've got to quibble about this

recommendation. This is a low-carb list and and our focus here is on LOW

CARB intake, which the ADA doesn't advocate. Their daily recommendation is

for many MANY more carbs than most of us here eat. Most of us have found that

avoiding high-carb foods is VERY HELPFUL for lowering our BGs and losing

weight. This means AVOIDING or EATING VERY LITTLE of pasta, rice, breads in

addition to the obviously sweet stuff. The reason for this is that carbs

convert to sugar which ultimately impact our BGs. For a good explanation of

this I'd suggest reading DR. BERNSTEIN'S DIABETES SOLUTIONS by

Bernstein, M.D. It's the best informational book about diabetes that I've

read.

I have some other recommendations but I have to leave now so I'll continue

this post later. Take care! Vicki

In a message dated 99-12-19 23:34:56 EST, you write:

<< The

ADA diet, which my dietitian gave me, is also a very healthy diet for

anyone who is also normally healthy including kids and old people. Of

course, the kids may get larger portions of some foods and more sweets

than your husband, but it is a diet that he should be able to live with

and still eat well and tasty meals. You should go with him to see the

dietitian if you possibly can. My wife went with me and has been very

supportive. I have managed to lose 48 pounds so far and only have two

more to reach 165 pounds, my goal. I eat well, although not nearly what

I used to, but I do very well and feel better than I have in 25 years.

The ADA has lots of printed material available on their web sight

including sample menus and books on eating at fast food restaurants and

other restaurants. >>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Terry. I imagine with constant testing by the doc it'll get figured out

if is an insulin resistant type II or not. Our biggest expert is on

vacation until after the holidays, and I'm sure she'll address this when she

returns. She's excellent at that.

In the meantime - get a book called Berstein's Diabetes Solution on the web,

in a store, whatever. I think we have a member here who's connected to

Amazon.com and gets a small commission, but don't wait for him - get it. As

gets off the carbs some, he will be grumpy as the devil, because

carbs can be addictive for lots and lots of people, having to do with

yo=yoing blood sugar. It is physical as well as psychological. The less

high glycemic carbs he eats (I'll site you a bunch of websites for this and

other info), the more his system feels deprived - keep at it!!! The

cravings will disappear as his body adjusts to the new regime.

I'm not a doc, but if I had to guess, I'd say he's a type I with all you've

said about his symptoms for so long. It's a miracle he doesn't have

neuropathy in his feet or eye problems. If he has double vision at all,

this too will go away when he's more under control.

The other problem with getting under control is that as his bg's come down

(hopefully), he may feel light headed, or hypoglycemic, even if he isn't

(under 70), because his body is used to such high numbers. Give him one

glucose tab - these are handy, because IMO they don't get my cravings going,

and one only raises my bg a little, when I'm low. Then I have a protein

snack as well. I could go on an on. And there are some excellent websites

on the net, some of which are listed below.

Later on, girl, he's going to have to sink or swim by himself. You really

can't do it for him, but that's a topic for later. Get Bernstein's Diabetes

Solution, do some reading, check some websites, and go from there. One day

at a time, one finger stick at a time. Thank the Lord we have that means of

testing where we are, and what which foods we eat does to us. Being a man,

he's also probably feeling a huge lack of control over this situation.

Maybe some of the guys on the list could address that.

Books:

Dr. Bernstein - http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/

Dr. Atkins - http://www.atkinscenter.com/

Protein Power (the Drs. Eades) - http://www.eatprotein.com

Sugar Busters - http://www.sugarbusters.com/

The Zone (Dr. Barry Sears) - http://www.drsears.com/

Carbohydrate Addicts Diet (the Hellers) -

http://www.carbohydrateaddicts.com/index.html

NeanderThin (Ray Audette) - http://www.sofdesign.com/neander/

Adiposity 101 (Chuck Forsberg) -

http://agora.rdrop.com/users/caf/adipos.html

The Ketogenic Diet (Lyle Mc) -

http://www.cyberpump.com/lyle/order.html

Websites:

http://www.diabeteswebsite.com excellent, and has a link to Mendosa's

glycemic index

www.mendosa.com/diabetes.htm Rick Mendosa's web page (THE BEST site on the

net about diabetes)

The Diabetes Center of the Endocrine Web

http://www.endocrineweb.com/diabetes/

http://www.diabetes.org the ADA

http://www.drkoop.com

http://home.austin.rr.com/beastman/diabetes.htm

Ask away, Terry. We're here and are a very helpful and supportive bunch.

Happy Holidays,

Barb.

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Introduction

>

>

>Hello, My name is Terry Windsor and my husband was diagnoised with

>Diabetes 5 days ago. It has turned our lives upsidedown at the present time

>(thank god it will be better as I learn more about it). It is unclear at

>this time which type he has since his father and most all his relatives

>have Type I diabetes. Don has exhibited symptoms for most of the 20 years

>we have been married (excessive thirst, frequent urination, excessive

>tiredness to name a few) but refused to checked by the doctor until his

>Boss gave him no choice and ordered him to have a complete checkup. His

>blood level was 544 at the time of the visit. He is not seriously over

>weight (about 35 lbs) but has never had good eatting habits since we met

>awhen we were 14 years old (he is 37 now). He drinks ALOT of Pepsi and eats

>no vegs, no fruits (other than applesauce) some meat (only pork, chicken

>and beef and only if they are fried) and potatoes. He does eat alot of junk

>food and snacky type stuff (pizza, snack crackers, cookies). As you can see

>he definately has much to change in his diet and he is making an effort to

>do so. He is VERY moody now which is understandable. He doesn't like his

>finger sticked to check the level 3 times a day and really puts up a fuss.

>The doctor put him on Amaryl and after 3 days had to increase the does. The

>increased dose makes him lightheaded so it has to be taken in 2 doses 3

>hours apart which isn't allowing it to work effectively. His doctor isn't

>sure that the pills are going to work for Don but said to try them for a

>until Christmas Eve day when we go back. I have been keeping a careful

>record of the levels 3 times a day and noting any changes in the way he

>feels, what he eats and when and such. At this time he is still getting

>most of his reading in the mid 300 to mid 400 range.

> I joined this list in hopes of finding out as much information as I can

>about diabetes and how to control it. I welcome any information and advice

>I can get. My main concern is in preparing food. I myself have very low

>blood sugar levels mainly staying in the 60's and 70's range. We also have

>3 children 9ages 13, 16, and 19 years) and my elderly grandmother (81

>years) living with us which need the nutrition from the foods he can't

>have. Since we found out about his diabetes we have all been eatting and

>drinking what he can have. I would like to know if anyone else is in a

>simular situation and if so what has been done about it?

> I look forward to getting to know everyone...

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 99-12-20 10:52:55 EST, you write:

<<

This is a low carb list?? >>

Well, let's put it this way: A very large number of people on this list use

low carbing (along with diet, exercise, pills, insulin or any combination of

these) as an excellent way to control their diabetes. It is considered

somewhat radical by lots of diabetic professionals but since it works, you

can't argue with success. Many on this list have had great success with it

and I'm sure will be happy to tell you their stories. As mentioned in some

other posts, the best book for information on this AS RELATED TO DIABETES is

" Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions " . Vicki

[Guest guest]

This is a low carb list??

WHIMSY2@... wrote:

> From: WHIMSY2@...

>

> Hi, Lynn...welcome to this list. I highlighted below from Erwin's message

> because of his advice to use the ADA diet. I've got to quibble about this

> recommendation. This is a low-carb list and and our focus here is on LOW

> CARB intake, which the ADA doesn't advocate. Their daily recommendation is

> for many MANY more carbs than most of us here eat. Most of us have found that

> avoiding high-carb foods is VERY HELPFUL for lowering our BGs and losing

> weight. This means AVOIDING or EATING VERY LITTLE of pasta, rice, breads in

> addition to the obviously sweet stuff. The reason for this is that carbs

> convert to sugar which ultimately impact our BGs. For a good explanation of

> this I'd suggest reading DR. BERNSTEIN'S DIABETES SOLUTIONS by

> Bernstein, M.D. It's the best informational book about diabetes that I've

> read.

>

> I have some other recommendations but I have to leave now so I'll continue

> this post later. Take care! Vicki

>

> In a message dated 99-12-19 23:34:56 EST, you write:

>

> << The

> ADA diet, which my dietitian gave me, is also a very healthy diet for

> anyone who is also normally healthy including kids and old people. Of

> course, the kids may get larger portions of some foods and more sweets

> than your husband, but it is a diet that he should be able to live with

> and still eat well and tasty meals. You should go with him to see the

> dietitian if you possibly can. My wife went with me and has been very

> supportive. I have managed to lose 48 pounds so far and only have two

> more to reach 165 pounds, my goal. I eat well, although not nearly what

> I used to, but I do very well and feel better than I have in 25 years.

> The ADA has lots of printed material available on their web sight

> including sample menus and books on eating at fast food restaurants and

> other restaurants. >>

>

>

[Guest guest]

No. Not all of us are low-carbing. I've modified the ADA pyramid to fit

the after-meal testing I did when I started

Re: Introduction

>

>

> This is a low carb list??

>

> WHIMSY2@... wrote:

>

> > From: WHIMSY2@...

> >

> > Hi, Lynn...welcome to this list. I highlighted below from Erwin's

message

> > because of his advice to use the ADA diet. I've got to quibble about

this

> > recommendation. This is a low-carb list and and our focus here is on

LOW

> > CARB intake, which the ADA doesn't advocate. Their daily recommendation

is

> > for many MANY more carbs than most of us here eat. Most of us have found

that

> > avoiding high-carb foods is VERY HELPFUL for lowering our BGs and losing

> > weight. This means AVOIDING or EATING VERY LITTLE of pasta, rice, breads

in

> > addition to the obviously sweet stuff. The reason for this is that

carbs

> > convert to sugar which ultimately impact our BGs. For a good

explanation of

> > this I'd suggest reading DR. BERNSTEIN'S DIABETES SOLUTIONS by

> > Bernstein, M.D. It's the best informational book about diabetes that

I've

> > read.

> >

> > I have some other recommendations but I have to leave now so I'll

continue

> > this post later. Take care! Vicki

> >

> > In a message dated 99-12-19 23:34:56 EST, you write:

> >

> > << The

> > ADA diet, which my dietitian gave me, is also a very healthy diet for

> > anyone who is also normally healthy including kids and old people. Of

> > course, the kids may get larger portions of some foods and more sweets

> > than your husband, but it is a diet that he should be able to live with

> > and still eat well and tasty meals. You should go with him to see the

> > dietitian if you possibly can. My wife went with me and has been very

> > supportive. I have managed to lose 48 pounds so far and only have two

> > more to reach 165 pounds, my goal. I eat well, although not nearly

what

> > I used to, but I do very well and feel better than I have in 25 years.

> > The ADA has lots of printed material available on their web sight

> > including sample menus and books on eating at fast food restaurants and

> > other restaurants. >>

> >

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

That's what I do. I call it the diet and it works for me. I don't pay

attention to any other diets but my own. It certainly isn't anywhere close to

being low carb but it ain't the ADA thing either.

O'Neil

Teri wrote:

>

>

> No. Not all of us are low-carbing. I've modified the ADA pyramid to fit

> the after-meal testing I did when I started

>

> Re: Introduction

>

> >

> >

> > This is a low carb list??

> >

> > WHIMSY2@... wrote:

> >

> > > From: WHIMSY2@...

> > >

> > > Hi, Lynn...welcome to this list. I highlighted below from Erwin's

> message

> > > because of his advice to use the ADA diet. I've got to quibble about

> this

> > > recommendation. This is a low-carb list and and our focus here is on

> LOW

> > > CARB intake, which the ADA doesn't advocate. Their daily recommendation

> is

> > > for many MANY more carbs than most of us here eat. Most of us have found

> that

> > > avoiding high-carb foods is VERY HELPFUL for lowering our BGs and losing

> > > weight. This means AVOIDING or EATING VERY LITTLE of pasta, rice, breads

> in

> > > addition to the obviously sweet stuff. The reason for this is that

> carbs

> > > convert to sugar which ultimately impact our BGs. For a good

> explanation of

> > > this I'd suggest reading DR. BERNSTEIN'S DIABETES SOLUTIONS by

> > > Bernstein, M.D. It's the best informational book about diabetes that

> I've

> > > read.

> > >

> > > I have some other recommendations but I have to leave now so I'll

> continue

> > > this post later. Take care! Vicki

> > >

> > > In a message dated 99-12-19 23:34:56 EST, you write:

> > >

> > > << The

> > > ADA diet, which my dietitian gave me, is also a very healthy diet for

> > > anyone who is also normally healthy including kids and old people. Of

> > > course, the kids may get larger portions of some foods and more sweets

> > > than your husband, but it is a diet that he should be able to live with

> > > and still eat well and tasty meals. You should go with him to see the

> > > dietitian if you possibly can. My wife went with me and has been very

> > > supportive. I have managed to lose 48 pounds so far and only have two

> > > more to reach 165 pounds, my goal. I eat well, although not nearly

> what

> > > I used to, but I do very well and feel better than I have in 25 years.

> > > The ADA has lots of printed material available on their web sight

> > > including sample menus and books on eating at fast food restaurants and

> > > other restaurants. >>

> > >

> > >

> >

> > >

>

>

[Guest guest]

The majority of the members have had success with the low carb approach, but

any positive experience with any approach is welcome on the list. It's not a

'only

low carb' list. - Please see the welcome letter for the details and the list

rules.

Best regards

/ moderator

Re: Introduction

>

>

>This is a low carb list??

>

>WHIMSY2@... wrote:

>

>> From: WHIMSY2@...

>>

>> Hi, Lynn...welcome to this list. I highlighted below from Erwin's message

>> because of his advice to use the ADA diet. I've got to quibble about this

>> recommendation. This is a low-carb list and and our focus here is on LOW

>> CARB intake, which the ADA doesn't advocate. Their daily recommendation is

>> for many MANY more carbs than most of us here eat. Most of us have found that

>> avoiding high-carb foods is VERY HELPFUL for lowering our BGs and losing

>> weight. This means AVOIDING or EATING VERY LITTLE of pasta, rice, breads in

>> addition to the obviously sweet stuff. The reason for this is that carbs

>> convert to sugar which ultimately impact our BGs. For a good explanation of

>> this I'd suggest reading DR. BERNSTEIN'S DIABETES SOLUTIONS by

>> Bernstein, M.D. It's the best informational book about diabetes that I've

>> read.

>>

>> I have some other recommendations but I have to leave now so I'll continue

>> this post later. Take care! Vicki

>>

>> In a message dated 99-12-19 23:34:56 EST, you write:

>>

>> << The

>> ADA diet, which my dietitian gave me, is also a very healthy diet for

>> anyone who is also normally healthy including kids and old people. Of

>> course, the kids may get larger portions of some foods and more sweets

>> than your husband, but it is a diet that he should be able to live with

>> and still eat well and tasty meals. You should go with him to see the

>> dietitian if you possibly can. My wife went with me and has been very

>> supportive. I have managed to lose 48 pounds so far and only have two

>> more to reach 165 pounds, my goal. I eat well, although not nearly what

>> I used to, but I do very well and feel better than I have in 25 years.

>> The ADA has lots of printed material available on their web sight

>> including sample menus and books on eating at fast food restaurants and

>> other restaurants. >>

>>

>>

>

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Terry. Thanks for writing us about your husband . As you have

mentioned, the biggest part of your problem is getting him to deal with a

HUGE denial problem. With all that diabetes in the family, he eats wrong for

years and years, and refuses to get medical treatment as well. He has

probably caused a lot of damage to himself already. A sort of shock

treatment might get his attention. Go to http://www.altavista.com and type

in gangrene Show him the pictures of amputated toes, feet and legs.

If you can arrange it, he would probably benefit from some counseling. He is

an adult. You can try to finger-stick him and prepare meals for him, but as

long as he has freedom, he can slip off and sneak " forbidden foods. "

As to which type of diabetic is, there is a C-peptide test that would

indicate whether his pancreas is still functioning. But I would think that

he does have some pancreas function, however limited. Best of success in

dealing with your " bad boy. "

Susie

[Guest guest]

The secret to success with diabetes, it seems, is to figure out what works

best for us by studying, exchanging info with other diabetics, and testing,

testing, testing. I would say that most of us on this list would be called

" low-carbers, " but we are all at a different place. The U.S. daily average

carb consumption is 300 grams a day. I try to keep it below 100 grams (and

some days it is more like 20-30). But there are days when I go as high as

200 or more. (Of course, I swell up with water and it tkes about 3 days to

get back to normal after a " carb binge. " ) So we are not Nazis about our diet

.... but most of us have indeed found that eating fewer carbs than the ADA

recommends ... and especially avoiding the highly-processed grains ... has

done wonders for our control.

Simple things like eating our veggies raw rather than cooked, and choosing

the low-carb veggies such as cauliflower, broccoli, and green beans, can

make a tremendous difference. My dietary staple is salads ... but I eat

quite a lot of meat too.

Susie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 99-12-20 17:22:05 EST, you write:

<< To me, " diet " has a negative connotation,

and a feeling of being temporary. Nutrition plan, on the other hand, sounds

efficient and more permanent. >>

You're absolutely right there, Teri. And as we all know by now, YMMV! Glad

your A1 C is so nice. Vicki

[Guest guest]

Isn't the ADA diet pretty high-carb?? Also -- are you good with the

Exchange way of counting? (I'm not.) I can't tell anyone what to do.

Only raise questions you may want to consider in making a decision.

I'm really coming from the same place that Vicki is. Only I guess I'm a

little more reticent to come right out and say so. (I got my fingers

slapped on another list for being a bit too forward.)

Also take to heart what Barb Young said, and *do* check out those websites!

At 08:34 PM 12/19/99 -0800, you wrote:

>

>

>Hi Lynn:

>Tell your husband to have his doctor arrange an appointment with a

>dietitian who is also a CDE and she will give him a sample diet. The

>ADA diet, which my dietitian gave me, is also a very healthy diet for

>anyone who is also normally healthy including kids and old people. Of

>course, the kids may get larger portions of some foods and more sweets

>than your husband, but it is a diet that he should be able to live with

>and still eat well and tasty meals. You should go with him to see the

>dietitian if you possibly can. My wife went with me and has been very

>supportive. I have managed to lose 48 pounds so far and only have two

>more to reach 165 pounds, my goal. I eat well, although not nearly what

>I used to, but I do very well and feel better than I have in 25 years.

>The ADA has lots of printed material available on their web sight

>including sample menus and books on eating at fast food restaurants and

>other restaurants. If I can help in any way, let me know.

>Tell your husband that he has to do whatever it takes to bring his

>sugars into the normal range as soon as possible. He will feel much

>better and will put off the complications of diabetes. If he has many

>people in his family who have it, he won't want that.

>

>Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all on the list.

>

> Erwin

>

>

in Constable

[Guest guest]

The exchange method is easier for me than counting calories, fat grams, or

carbs. The ADA diet doesn't have to be all that high in carbs. It depends

on what foods you choose for your exchanges. The book, " The Glucose

Revolution " has been a great help to me. It works with the glycemic index.

What works best for me is using exchanges, but making choices from all the

groups that are low fat, and the lower carb foods from which I am choosing.

I feel my best when getting a more traditionally " balanced " meal plan. I

also refuse to call it my " diet. " To me, " diet " has a negative connotation,

and a feeling of being temporary. Nutrition plan, on the other hand, sounds

efficient and more permanent.

It kinda makes me a rebel in this group<g>, but my A1c is down to 5.6, and

I've lost 28 pounds.

Teri

T2, nutrition & exercise, 4/99

This isn't a diet. It's a permanent lifestyle change.

I WILL do this!

Re: Introduction

>

>

> Isn't the ADA diet pretty high-carb?? Also -- are you good with the

> Exchange way of counting? (I'm not.) I can't tell anyone what to do.

> Only raise questions you may want to consider in making a decision.

>

> I'm really coming from the same place that Vicki is. Only I guess I'm a

> little more reticent to come right out and say so. (I got my fingers

> slapped on another list for being a bit too forward.)

>

> Also take to heart what Barb Young said, and *do* check out those

websites!

>

>

>

>

> At 08:34 PM 12/19/99 -0800, you wrote:

> >

> >

> >Hi Lynn:

> >Tell your husband to have his doctor arrange an appointment with a

> >dietitian who is also a CDE and she will give him a sample diet. The

> >ADA diet, which my dietitian gave me, is also a very healthy diet for

> >anyone who is also normally healthy including kids and old people. Of

> >course, the kids may get larger portions of some foods and more sweets

> >than your husband, but it is a diet that he should be able to live with

> >and still eat well and tasty meals. You should go with him to see the

> >dietitian if you possibly can. My wife went with me and has been very

> >supportive. I have managed to lose 48 pounds so far and only have two

> >more to reach 165 pounds, my goal. I eat well, although not nearly what

> >I used to, but I do very well and feel better than I have in 25 years.

> >The ADA has lots of printed material available on their web sight

> >including sample menus and books on eating at fast food restaurants and

> >other restaurants. If I can help in any way, let me know.

> >Tell your husband that he has to do whatever it takes to bring his

> >sugars into the normal range as soon as possible. He will feel much

> >better and will put off the complications of diabetes. If he has many

> >people in his family who have it, he won't want that.

> >

> >Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all on the list.

> >

> > Erwin

> >

> >

> in Constable

>

> >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 99-12-20 22:02:28 EST, you write:

<< I think my challeng now is to NOT become complacent and

let it all slip.

>>

Teri, that's the challenge for ALL of us once we get the A1C's where we want

'em! Vicki

[Guest guest]

Teri:

I guess I am a rebel too. I am on a diet similar to the ADA pyramid

diet that my HMO, Kaiser gave me. I am on the 1800 calorie version and

have lost 48 pounds so far. My HbA1c is even better than yours at 4.7

just before Thanksgiving, taken on November 22. I am on no medication

and have ten exchanges of carbs per day, hardly a high carbohydrate

diet, but not low either. I feel that this diet or nutrition plan is

one I can manage for the rest of my life.

I hope everyone has a wonderful Christmas and a happy and healthy New

Year.

Erwin

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Vicki. <g> I think my challeng now is to NOT become complacent and

let it all slip.

Re: Introduction

> From: WHIMSY2@...

>

> In a message dated 99-12-20 17:22:05 EST, you write:

>

> << To me, " diet " has a negative connotation,

> and a feeling of being temporary. Nutrition plan, on the other hand,

sounds

> efficient and more permanent. >>

>

> You're absolutely right there, Teri. And as we all know by now, YMMV! Glad

> your A1 C is so nice. Vicki

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes, it's a great site. Am familiar with it as I was one of the beta

testers of the site. AND they were kind enough to send beta testers a copy

of " The Diabetic's Book. "

I really can't say that I follow the pyramid OR Iow-carb. I use the

exchanges as set up in the pyramid, but I did a lot of 2-hour pp testing of

the different food listed in each group, also consider the carbs when

choosing among the foods in the groups, and consider the glycemic index.

It's not as complicated as it might seem. I now have edited the list of

choices for the exchanges. It's the same list, I've just put it in order

by which foods are better for me. I hate counting calories, fat grams, or

carbs, so the exchange method works well for me.

Re: Introduction

>

>

> Teri wrote:

>

> << I've been reading " The Glucose Revolution. " Very interesting book

about

> the

> glycemic index. >>

>

> I am a lackadaisical type. I used to say that all carbs were a problem.

But

> Ron Sebol, who is amazingly gutsy about sticking himself over and over to

> prove a point, has shown graphs he constructed that back up the Glycemic

> Index. Dr. Wolover and the researchers at Toronto University swear by it.

> And diabetes expert Rick Mendosa all support relying on it. There was a

> brouhaha in " Diabetes Forecast " a few years ago (March '97?) between the

> Toronto researchers and other researchers at Stanford University regarding

> the Glycemic Index. The ADA has decided against recommending it, on the

> grounds that it is tough enough managing diabetes without also having to

> consult a separate list of foods. But the longer I hang around, the more I

> agree that, if possible, we should factor in the Glycemic Index of the

foods

> we select.

>

> My only quibble with the Glycemic Index is that, when I first read about

it

> at Rick Mendosa's site, it made me think we were supposed to choose foods

> only from among that listing. (His list basically covers carbohydrates,

> since fats aren't glucose spikers, and meats impact glucose levels only

> modestly.) I forwarded my concerns to Rick and he, always open to comments

> and eager to help his fellow diabetics, has added explanatory language, I

> believe.

>

> Rick Mendosa has joined forces with popular diabetes authors Barbara

Toohey

> and June Biermann. You can explore their wide-ranging, lively diabetes web

> site at: http://www.diabeteswebsite.com

> You can customize the site to match your individual interests. They have

> just released a brand-new version of their well-known " The Diabetic's

Book, "

> which now includes a section on low-carbing.

>

> Susie

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Pizza Hut has a pizza called The Edge. There is no large edge and the very

thin crust is made from Rye flour (I think) it's paper thin anyway. this is

the only pizza that I can eat and not have a super high reading. Ron B

Muskoka Ont.

>

>Reply-To: diabetes_intonelist

>To: diabetes_intonelist

>Subject: Re: Introduction

>Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:48:24 -0500

>

>I was agreeing with you all the way (except for a quibble about the age

>business) until you got to pizza. My experience with pizza is that it is no

>worse for me than any other starchy type of carbohydrate. I love it with

>anchovies and if I stay away from all or most of the crust, I don't have a

>problem

>

>Susie wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Teri writes:

> >

> > << I love ya, girl, but I sure wish youd say that we avoid complications

> > through " nutrition " and other techniques. Low-carbing doesn't work for

>all

> > of us. >>

> >

> > Good point, Teri. My observations are totally unscientific, but if I

>could

> > come up with a generality, it would be that the older we are and the

>longer

> > we have been diabetic, the more likely it is that our pancreas is

>failing.

> > And the worse our pancreas is, the more we are likely to spike with

> > carbohydrate intake. So those who are younger, and whose diagnosis is

>more

> > recent, as well as those type 2's who are not insulin-resistant, and

>whose

> > weight is normal, can do well using a different approach.

> >

> > At first, I was sure that lowering carbohydrate intake was the only way

>to

> > fly. But there are many diabetics who do nicely on 200-300 grams of

>carbs a

> > day. There are even vegetarians who report success. I think the one rule

>of

> > thumb could be that mixing plenty of carbs with plenty of fats spells

> > trouble. And I guess that is why pizza has been deemed the worst

>possible

> > food for diabetics that we have so far discovered. And the mix of

>plentiful

> > carbs and plentiful fats is the typical meal at a fast-food joint.

> >

> > Ron Sebol has said time after time that the fast spikes such as we might

>see

> > after eating a carby meal are not as harmful in the long run as the long

> > spikes we tend to get when eating a meal high in both carbs and fats.

>It's

> > the sustained highs that he is convinced impact our HbA1c - and do the

> > damage to our organs. Many of us find we can " walk off " our carbs by

>taking

> > a brisk walk after a meal, or engaging in other exercise. Whatever

>approach

> > works for us, without causing harm to other organs, that we find we can

>live

> > with, should be encouraged.

> >

> > Susie

> >

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Ron B. wrote:

<< Pizza Hut has a pizza called the Edge. "

Here is the nutritional info on The Edge:

http://www.pizzahut.com/ourmenu/menuFrame.htm

Here is the nutritional info for Pizza Hut's entire menu:

http://www.pizzahut.com/ourmenu/menuFrame.htm

It should be emphasized this is for ONE slice of Medium pizza.

Susie

[Guest guest]

While we're in the area of introductions, here's mine. Its not in my

nature to expound on things, so I make a point of consciously

elaborating on surrounding circumstances, so here's a short summary

of myself:

I'm 21 years old, and was diagnosed with autism, by my mother, when I

was around 2. I was officially diagnosed when I was 11. The middle

child in a family of 7 children, all of whom are absolutely NT with

the exception of my father, who has several AS traits. Being such a

large family, there was never enough money to go around. Tactile

sensitivities caused havoc where hand-me-downs were the rule: I

require certain fabrics and weaves for all my clothing, and jealousy

among the other siblings was inevitable, for my special treatment.

Growing up in such a large family, there are some hellish memories of

emotional/physical abuse by my siblings, which usually caused me to

overload and become violent.

I was homeschooled until I was 12, with no social contact outside of

my family with the exception of the one neighbouring child. At high

school, I could never concentrate in the classes that weren't in my

particular perseverations at the time. Fortunately, I can remember

most everything I hear and was able to graduate with B-grades in

every class except English. Afterwards, I went to University to study

a double degree in Physics and Computer Science, but the change in

routine, aka moving from the country into the city to live with my

virtually unknown grandmother, impeded my learning at university and

I dropped out first year. Now, I study for my MCSE on and off, while

working at a Pizza Hut store.

My siblings, while still not totally clued into why I am like I am,

help me to have a bit more of a social life, interspersed with bouts

of depression. Why me, comes to mind. Being forced to face your

differences every other minute isn't a good way to live. Just one

more reason why we need some autistic community happening.

Oh, and I live in Perth, WA, Australia, if there's anyone from that

area in here.

I love anime(DBZ rocks!), and am an incessant reader of fantasy and

Science Fiction. I love playing the old Atari games, and love

listening to the Beegees and Aqua songs.

The worst thing about being autistic: not being able to remember what

I was thinking a couple of minutes, even a couple of seconds before,

when my mind switches tracks of thought. Like putting down a set of

keys, and losing them mere moments having put them down. Or being

about to say something, and then your mind pulls a blank. Talk about

a one-track mind. Its the most frustrating thing, not being able to

remember something while you remember having have thought it.

[Guest guest]

hi carrie i have rsd to it is liveing hell the pain meds just knoks the edge off

most of the time i like watching tv so i get by donnieKY

Subject: Introduction

To: Hugs-N-Pain

Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 3:11 AM

hi my name is carrie i rsd and apparently had it for 10 yrs but

backwards drs in Alaska couldnt diagnose a hangnail without colorful

pictures attached to their foreheads so i didnt get diagnosed till 2

years ago by then i was in late stage of rsd. lousy (can i say that?

(sorry serious frustration) ) drs everywhere see an invisable pain as no

pain. mine came from a car accident. im a single mom of 3 mostly grown

now, allthough they were raised with out being able to hug me much or

do much of anything, i hope this disease didnt harm my childrens veiw

on life or relationships. Hugs n Pain perfect name for this group, a

concept my family and i know all to well. This rsd is in majority of my

body. hope to hear from you guys soon bye

[Guest guest]

Serious frustration is what we do best here. Heaven knows we feel enough of

it....and the doctors you described are in the lower states as well. They must

have gone to the same school.

It's nation wide. I went many years suffering from the spasm from hell and that

it had caused me to go on disability when the whole time it could have been

controlled by a simple opiate that blocks the signal itself. Seven years.

Yeah...we got 'em here in Nevada. I could no longer work so I had to use a

clinic and they are always worried about abusers. They should have been able to

see that wasn't the case. In the whole 18 years since this thing started...I've

never once asked for pain medication.

There are many non verbal clues the person is in real pain. Stuff we can't

control. Some doctors have been trained to see that.

This PA I recently saw is proof of that.

Lately my pain drove my Blood Pressure up into the red zone and irregular heart

beat..my doctor wasn't in his office that day and I was scared...a PA saw me at

an Urgent Care and was really modern about pain. I didn't go in complaining of

pain but we talked of my history and current pain management...and he said I was

under treated and made me take Percocet right away..which worked well. BP came

down and heart beat went regular.

My doctor and I worked on it in the next couple of days and started using

mscontin to add to my Tylenol #3's.

So far so good...but to give you some hope. Some are good and are being trained

well with pain. He also understood how crappy we get treated. As far as I'm

concerned he saved my bacon with getting that blood pressure down and my heart

to go regular again...just the percocet did all of that.

Part of getting care is being part of getting pain laws changed as well.

One of my sons likes to be hugged and it is very important to him but now I

can't and had to explain it...he has to hug very very carefully. We just have to

change things a bit.

L3 and L4 caved in on a pile of nerves and my lower back is like a balancing

act. Sciatica on one side and the L3 and L4 cave in on the other. The top of

my left thigh is numb, tingling, itchy, painful, can't scratch the itch 'cause

the area is so numb. It's weird what nerve damage can do. I have a numb finger

on the same side...carpal tunnel and trigger finger. Damn..when it rains it

pours!

I have well advanced osteoarthritis and it's caused a lot of body wide damage.

I have fibromyalgia and myofacial pain syndrome that is invisible so I know

where you're coming from there.

I have other stuff that is visible and getting worse. So most of us can

understand the invisible aspect of having pain and doctors not " getting it " .

Go ahead and say your piece. You can stomp your feet as well. ;-}

Welcome. This group is like home.

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>

> Subject: Introduction

> To: Hugs-N-Pain

> Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 7:11 PM

> hi my name is carrie i rsd and apparently had it for 10 yrs

> but

> backwards drs in Alaska couldnt diagnose a hangnail without

> colorful

> pictures attached to their foreheads so i didnt get

> diagnosed till 2

> years ago by then i was in late stage of rsd. lousy (can i

> say that?

> (sorry serious frustration)) drs everywhere see an

> invisable pain as no

> pain. mine came from a car accident. im a single mom of 3

> mostly grown

> now, allthough they were raised with out being able to hug

> me much or

> do much of anything, i hope this disease didnt harm my

> childrens veiw

> on life or relationships. Hugs n Pain perfect name for this

> group, a

> concept my family and i know all to well. This rsd is in

> majority of my

> body. hope to hear from you guys soon bye

[Guest guest]

hi lotacats my pain is causeing my blood presher to go crazy to the docter i am

seeing dose not have a clue on how to treat me i live about a hour and a half

out in the stix i am starting to hert to bad for the long drives in see the

dumer than dum docters donnieKY

> From: carrie maine <mom4ever1988@ yahoo.com>

> Subject: Introduction

> To: Hugs-N-Pain@ yahoogroups. com

> Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 7:11 PM

> hi my name is carrie i rsd and apparently had it for 10 yrs

> but

> backwards drs in Alaska couldnt diagnose a hangnail without

> colorful

> pictures attached to their foreheads so i didnt get

> diagnosed till 2

> years ago by then i was in late stage of rsd. lousy (can i

> say that?

> (sorry serious frustration) ) drs everywhere see an

> invisable pain as no

> pain. mine came from a car accident. im a single mom of 3

> mostly grown

> now, allthough they were raised with out being able to hug

> me much or

> do much of anything, i hope this disease didnt harm my

> childrens veiw

> on life or relationships. Hugs n Pain perfect name for this

> group, a

> concept my family and i know all to well. This rsd is in

> majority of my

> body. hope to hear from you guys soon bye