Adult Advocacy, was Re: Re: Carrots, Eggs and Coffee

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wrote:

> What are we fighting for? If we all went to our elected officials or

> whoever and said, " Here's one thing you can do for autistic adults, " and

> that thing was something concrete what would the first thing be? I think

that's

> what we are missing.

>

That will always be missing because some say " I am perfect the way I am.

There is nothing in my life I want to change. I want the world to change

to fit me. " There are others who recognize that they can not change

anyone else. All change must come from within. These people see that

change in themselves would change everything.

The simple fact is that AS and autism is a broad spectrum and people

from one end of the spectrum have very little in common with people at

the other end. There are those who have seen negative effects of

attempts at change and want none of it. There are others who have seen

glimpses of a better world that might be reached with just a little

outside help.

Red

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redhottech@... jotted this down:

> The simple fact is that AS and autism is a broad spectrum and people from one

> end of the spectrum have very little in common with people at the other end.

And what experience do you have to make this claim?

I've found that distinguishing between people on the supposed " ends " of the

spectrum is almost impossible, even in person. It doesn't make much sense to

claim we have " very little in common " when you can't even tell which is which in

the first place.

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DeGraf wrote:

> And what experience do you have to make this claim?

>

Well the first would be how there are two widely opposing viewpoints on

this and most other autism lists.

> I've found that distinguishing between people on the supposed " ends "

> of the spectrum is almost impossible, even in person. It doesn't

> make much sense to claim we have " very little in common " when you

> can't even tell which is which in the first place.

>

Well I really don't know where the ends are, I just recognize the huge

disparity in viewpoints.

Red

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> Well I really don't know where the ends are, I just recognize the huge

> disparity in viewpoints.

I think a lot of us do see that disparity.

But it's a disparity in viewpoint, not in point on the spectrum.

Viewpoint and point on the spectrum are not all that related as far as

I can tell. (References: 70-odd books by autistic people and three

large binders full of articles by autistic people in addition to

whatever I've seen on the net and whoever I've interacted with.)