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Hi, Marleen, welcome to the list, sorry you have to join us. Yes, once

you've got diabetes it's there for the rest of your life, unfortunately. And

you don't have to have it in your family history to get it... No one in my

family had it, either. My doctor recommended staying away from chromium, but

I don't remember why. I seem to remember reading something in some diabetes

publication with the same advice. Good luck. Vicki

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WHIMSY2@... wrote:

>

> From: WHIMSY2@...

>

> Hi, Marleen, welcome to the list, sorry you have to join us. Yes, once

> you've got diabetes it's there for the rest of your life, unfortunately. And

> you don't have to have it in your family history to get it... No one in my

> family had it, either. My doctor recommended staying away from chromium, but

> I don't remember why. I seem to remember reading something in some diabetes

> publication with the same advice. Good luck. Vicki

I saw this the other day:

Popular Food Supplement Could Be Carcinogenic

A popular nutritional and dietary supplement called chromium picolinate

may be a cancer risk, chemists from the University of Alabama in

Tuscaloosa said at the national meeting of the American Chemical

Society

in Anaheim, Calif.

The research has been peer-reviewed and will soon appear in the

American Chemical Society journal Chemical Research in Toxicology.

Chromium(III) tris(picolinate) causes DNA breakage, the scientists

reported. Such events are known, in some cases, to cause genetic

mutations and cancer in humans, the researchers noted.

Chromium picolinate is claimed to reduce body fat and build muscle. It

also

has been suggested that the supplement reduces the risk of

cardiovascular disease and the symptoms of diabetes. It often is an

ingredient in products ranging from sports drinks and gum to pills.

The health claims for chromium are based on its status as an essential

human nutrient required for normal carbohydrate and fat metabolism. The

Alabama scientists believe it does this job by making the insulin

receptor

work better. Still, chromium's role in these processes is not well

understood.

The element is needed only in trace amounts, but the U.S. Department of

Agriculture (USDA) says that more than 90% of American diets contain

less than the minimum recommended daily allowance of chromium and

dietary sources are extremely poorly absorbed by the body.

Chromium picolinate, on the other hand, is more readily taken in during

digestive processes. Furthermore, University of Alabama chemists

B.

, Ph.D., and A. Woski, Ph.D., say their laboratory has

found the compound is remarkably stable and unaffected by water,

buffers, or blood serum proteins. " If it's stable enough that it gets

into the

cells intact, " says , " then it could be a big concern. "

The Alabama studies advance the work of the late Dartmouth University

chemist Wetterhahn, Ph.D., who died from a widely publicized

mercury-poisoning accident. In a 1995 paper, she demonstrated that

chromium picolinate can get into cells, at least in a lab dish. Her

work

further showed that, once inside those laboratory cells, it appeared to

induce cleavage of chromosomal DNA. Until now, though, there was no

solid explanation for just how chromium picolinate caused the damage.

" Simple chromium compounds don't do this, " says . " They have to

have ligands -- something that binds to chromium -- that make the

properties just right, and picolinate is one of those ligands. "

found that chromium picolinate reacts with common biochemicals,

like vitamin C. He says the products " can then catalyze a reaction with

oxygen to generate the potent DNA-damaging hydroxyl radical. " Indeed,

when added " physiologically relevant concentrations " of

chromium

picolinate to laboratory solutions of DNA, much of the DNA was broken,

he

said.

It is not known what actually happens in humans, or in animals, when

chromium picolinate is consumed. A recent USDA study fed rats a diet

rich

in the compound for 24 weeks and did not see any ill effects. But

asks, " what happens in six months, or a year, or longer? "

" I would definitely be concerned about taking this nutritional

supplement

based on what we've found, " concludes . " Careful investigation

into

the effects of long-term diet supplementation with chromium picolinate

are

needed to evaluate its mutagenic and carcinogenic potentials. In

addition,

development of other readily absorbable sources of chromium that lack

the

DNA-damaging ability of chromium picolinate seems warranted. "

02-Apr-1999

I've seen many talking about taking this supplement. I hope they see

this article.

Dave -- 4/4/1999

t2 8/98 Glucophage

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At 11:14 AM 4/3/99 -0000, Meenie wrote:

>Test after eating a steak, test after eating a baked potato, test after a

bowl of pasta...

I'm missing something here. These things could make one meal. If I test

after eating them, how will I know which one affected my BG - the steak,

the baked potatoe, etc. If I want to see what a baked potatoe does to BG,

do I eat JUST the potatoe and check BG level, that will tell me what the

spud did but that's not much of a meal. How do you separate these things

to get useful personal data while eating a MEAL?!

-In The Rapid Exchange of Information, Grammar, Spelling & Proper Sentence

Structure Are Low On My Priority List.- PK

PAUL KOSSART Peru, IL USA

NMRA, LDSIG, OPSIG, BRHS, TP & W-HS

LaSalle & Bureau County Model R.R. Club

Chicago, Burlington & Quincy Model R.R. (HO-1969)

" Serving Agriculture & Industry In The Illiniwek River Valley Since 1904. "

[Guest guest]

That won't work. If you eat only a otato *it will* affect your bgs! You must

eat carbs, protein and fat at each meal, because they all turn to fuel, just at

different rates! They must be glucose to be used by the body as fuel. If you

eat only carbs, they will go straight to blood and cause high bgs and then drop

fast! The go straight..they do not pass *go* nor do they *collect $200.00*

*grin* Toni

/Celine Kossart wrote:

>

>

> At 11:14 AM 4/3/99 -0000, Meenie wrote:

> >Test after eating a steak, test after eating a baked potato, test after a

> bowl of pasta...

>

> I'm missing something here. These things could make one meal. If I test

> after eating them, how will I know which one affected my BG - the steak,

> the baked potatoe, etc. If I want to see what a baked potatoe does to BG,

> do I eat JUST the potatoe and check BG level, that will tell me what the

> spud did but that's not much of a meal. How do you separate these things

> to get useful personal data while eating a MEAL?!

>

> -In The Rapid Exchange of Information, Grammar, Spelling & Proper Sentence

> Structure Are Low On My Priority List.- PK

>

> PAUL KOSSART Peru, IL USA

> NMRA, LDSIG, OPSIG, BRHS, TP & W-HS

> LaSalle & Bureau County Model R.R. Club

> Chicago, Burlington & Quincy Model R.R. (HO-1969)

> " Serving Agriculture & Industry In The Illiniwek River Valley Since 1904. "

>

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If this meal makes your BG's rise then eliminate the highest carb item and

see what happens. You have to use common sense with this disease. In my

indoctrination meeting with the diet counselor I asked her " all these carbs?

Won't they turn to sugar in the blood stream? Oh No, she replied they are

complex carbs. WELL I said with a diet like this you expect me to loose

weight DUH this was coming from an extremely skinny chick (almost

anorexic) who probably eats everything in site and gains nothing. I left

there thinking what does she want ........me 600 lbs and dead. I started

studying and learning and need to sell all these diabetic books to some

other sucker, any takers LOL, just pulled out my old original 70's copyright

Atkins book and the accompanying cook book (which I still think are his

best) and went to work.

Ann S

Re: (no subject)

>

>

> At 11:14 AM 4/3/99 -0000, Meenie wrote:

> >Test after eating a steak, test after eating a baked potato, test after a

> bowl of pasta...

>

> I'm missing something here. These things could make one meal. If I test

> after eating them, how will I know which one affected my BG - the steak,

> the baked potatoe, etc. If I want to see what a baked potatoe does to BG,

> do I eat JUST the potatoe and check BG level, that will tell me what the

> spud did but that's not much of a meal. How do you separate these things

> to get useful personal data while eating a MEAL?!

>

>

>

> -In The Rapid Exchange of Information, Grammar, Spelling & Proper Sentence

> Structure Are Low On My Priority List.- PK

>

> PAUL KOSSART Peru, IL USA

> NMRA, LDSIG, OPSIG, BRHS, TP & W-HS

> LaSalle & Bureau County Model R.R. Club

> Chicago, Burlington & Quincy Model R.R. (HO-1969)

> " Serving Agriculture & Industry In The Illiniwek River Valley Since

1904. "

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Barb Young wrote:

>

>

>

> Dave wrote:

> <<I'm a type 2 on 2200mg of Glucophage daily. It works for me, and my

> numbers are doing pretty good. I'm not overweight. I was hoping my dr.

> would put me on insulin, and it may yet happen if I yell loud enough..

> Why?

> Well, from all that I've read I think I'd prefer using a natural hormone

> to control my diabetes in stead of a medication that does unnatural

> things to my body to control glucose readings. Yes, it works, and I'm

> grateful for that, but no one can truly tell you the long-term effects

> of medication, even though it's been around a long while.>>

>

> Hey, Dave, go ahead and yell! Or at least ask your doc what objections he

> has to insulin. I agree with your reasoning totally, and I was so

> concerned about tight control (still am) that I insisted on at least trying

> insulin within 1 1/2 years of my diagnosis. I mean what was the guy (doc)

> going to say? He couldn't come up with any reasons not to start on

> insulin, other than not being really conscientious about it, which doesn't

> even seem difficult for me. My dietician always said I was very motivated,

> and I am. I can only think of twice I forgot to take my insulin in almost

> a year. I also like that you know how it works and the duration of each

> kind. I never had any sense of that with the meds, which never worked very

> well for me, anyway.

>

> Maybe all that booze killed my insulin making cells totally, cuz now they

> call me I'm a type 1.5. And, I'll add, as a recovering alcoholic, you all

> are right. You can't stop eating like I can stop drinking. All we can do

> is become aware of where we're apt to be out of control. In the beginning

> I found a food diary to be very useful. I did it off and on for months

> until I figured how it all worked.

>

> Cheers, eveyrone.

> Barb

Keep on keepin' on Barb! Sounds like you've got it nailed. Figuring how

it all works for us as an individual is the key to this sucker.

--

Dave -- April 16, 1999

t2 08/98 Glucophage

Davor's daily aphorism:

A man needs a good memory after he has lied.

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[Guest guest]

Hi

I was having pain in the space between my rib cage,I went to the dr,they did

a urine test,said some protein and white cells showed up,. They said they

didn't think the pain at the bottom of the rib cage was the

kidney/bladder,thought that was seperate.

Any body got any opinions on any of it?

[Guest guest]

I don't know for sure Susie,it was my drs nurse practioner,they put me on one

of the new antibiotics,I take one pill a day for three days. If I'm not

better by Mon I will call,if I get worse before I will call,tell me what to

watch for.

[Guest guest]

writes:

<< I was having pain in the space between my rib cage,I went to the dr,they

did

a urine test,said some protein and white cells showed up,. They said they

didn't think the pain at the bottom of the rib cage was the

kidney/bladder, thought that was seperate. >>

Crap!! I don't like the sound of this, ... what the heck did they say

it was? If it was only the white cells, they would be looking at a kidney or

bladder infection, I would guess .. but the protein too? Did they check your

albumin? This needs to be figured out, girl.

Susie <worried ... >

[Guest guest]

writes:

<< I don't know for sure Susie,it was my drs nurse practioner,they put me on

one

of the new antibiotics,I take one pill a day for three days. If I'm not

better by Mon I will call,if I get worse before I will call,tell me what to

watch for. >>

In the olden days, they would do a culture and determine the bacteria strain

and give you a specific antibiotic. Now they just give you a broad-spectrum

antibiotic without the culture. But the protein leak is worrisome. Let's

hope you do fine over the weekend and that all symptoms are negative by

early next week.

Keep your own written record of your HbA1c readings ... get microalbumin

tests ... watch your kidney function closely. The important thing is to keep

your blood glucose levels as close to 100 as you can all the time.

Susie

[Guest guest]

They have said a similar pain that my Mother has is arthritis,it would make

more sense to me that it would be GERD,since my Mother and Brother have it

[Guest guest]

The only thing they told me about the protein in the urine is to take the

antibiotic,is there anything else I can do.Back to the pain between the rib

space,the dr changed me from mevacor to lipitor(cholesteral lowering drugs) I

thought maybe that had something to do with it. I took my bg a few minutes

ago it's 98 but I feel clammy and weak

Thanks for the insights

[Guest guest]

I also have pain in the middle of the rib cage right under the sternum---I

have many

test and all they think is that it is reflux? I'm not sure it is better

with the meds or not--

still hurts allllllll the time. Kathie

Re: (no subject)

>

>

> writes:

>

><< I was having pain in the space between my rib cage,I went to the dr,they

>did

>a urine test,said some protein and white cells showed up,. They said they

>didn't think the pain at the bottom of the rib cage was the

>kidney/bladder, thought that was seperate. >>

>

>Crap!! I don't like the sound of this, ... what the heck did they say

>it was? If it was only the white cells, they would be looking at a kidney

or

>bladder infection, I would guess .. but the protein too? Did they check

your

>albumin? This needs to be figured out, girl.

>

>Susie <worried ... >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

The pain between the rib cage can also be caused by a hernia or gastritis--

or other

gastric problems--------

Re: (no subject)

>

>

>>

>>

>> writes:

>>

>><< I was having pain in the space between my rib cage,I went to the

dr,they

>>did

>>a urine test,said some protein and white cells showed up,. They said they

>>didn't think the pain at the bottom of the rib cage was the

>>kidney/bladder, thought that was seperate. >>

>>

>>Crap!! I don't like the sound of this, ... what the heck did they

say

>>it was? If it was only the white cells, they would be looking at a kidney

>or

>>bladder infection, I would guess .. but the protein too? Did they check

>your

>>albumin? This needs to be figured out, girl.

>>

>>Susie <worried ... >

>>

>>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Susie,

I called a friend of mine that her son and Mother are diabetic,she said the

protein is just from the diet(as long as there are no ketones),the white

cells indicated that I had a bladder infection . I sorta thought the lipitore

might be responible for the pain. I appreciate all the effort to make sure I

am well taken care of:)

Thanks

[Guest guest]

Hi Susie,

I also read in a book that when you are on the high protein diet,that you

will have protein in your urine,that as long as it does not have ketones in

it you are ok. I only have one diabetes book let me see if I can find the

exact quote.

I'm not disagreeing with you because I don't know I'm just telling you what

my friend said and what I think I read in the book but I'll check and get

back to you in just a minute

[Guest guest]

writes:

<< The only thing they told me about the protein in the urine is to take the

antibiotic,is there anything else I can do.Back to the pain between the rib

space,the dr changed me from mevacor to lipitor(cholesteral lowering drugs)

I

thought maybe that had something to do with it. I took my bg a few minutes

ago it's 98 but I feel clammy and weak >>

I checked http://www.rxlist.com and couldn't find much to worry about with

the Mevacor you WERE taking ... but the doctor should have checked your

liver function before placing you on Lipitor ... and repeat the testing at

12 weeks. The symptoms you describe could be an adverse liver reacton to the

Lipitor. Please go to http://www.rxlist.com and type in Lipitor and read

what they say there - especially the test under WARNING.

Also, you seem to have some sort of infection going on (kidneys?) which they

are treating you for but are not identifying - they placed you on

antibiotics. Are you running a fever?

The blood test results for cholesterol, triglycerides, etc., often normalize

once the diabetes is in good control, so you may find that you won't need to

stay on separate medicines for this.

Susie

[Guest guest]

writes:

<< I called a friend of mine that her son and Mother are diabetic,she said

the

protein is just from the diet(as long as there are no ketones) ... >>

Protein in your urine from *what* diet? Protein in the urine is a sign of a

kidney problem ... not an indication that one is eating a high-protein diet.

I eat very high-protein and don't show protein.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Hi, ann, sounds like you've got things well under control...of course

you're taking appropriate snacks so just in case a meal is held up you've got

something to hold him...I've found that if a meal is an hour off and count

is low-ish, one or two of those peanut-butter pretzels works very nicely for

an hour. Makes a nice little treat, too.

I use an insulin pen - which I like very much - and thereby avoid having to

carry syringes and insulin. There are two kinds; the Humalog pen which comes

filled and is not disposable (you've got to buy a whole new set when the

insulin is used up). It only comes with fast-acting lispro as far as I know,

so if this isn't the kind of insulin Mark takes, it wouldn't do you much

good. Also, it comes in whole increments only. And you need a prescription

for it.

The other kind that I like very much is called a B-D pen mini and uses

cartridges. The pen is re-usable; you just drop the insulin cartridges in.

This also measures in half-units. There are several different kinds of

insulin that can be used with this pen. A short, fine 30-gauge needle is used

with this and it's almost painless. Have a nice vacation. Are you taking a

laptop? Vicki

In a message dated 99-06-29 08:43:28 EDT, you write:

<< I have a portable cooler, the soft one that holds like a 6 pack. I keep

this with me at all times, espically when going to town. I carry his

prepared syringe(if we're going out to supper) in those plastic toothbrush

holders, you know the ones, you use them on vacation. With the holes on the

ends and the size is just right to put his syringe into and not have to

worry that the plunger will be pushed and lose some of the insulin. They

pack rather nicely and stay cool. >>

[Guest guest]

,

Embrace it! I can't wait until my jeans are too tight because I'm six

weeks pg! You know, instead of being because I ate ice cream all weekend!!!

I'm sure that isn't the kind of comment you were after, but I don't

remember how far along I was before my pants were too tight. I think it is

different for every person and for every pregnancy.

LIsa

>From: BuddysTaz@...

>Reply-To: TubalLigationReversal

>To: TubalLigationReversal

>Subject: (no subject)

>Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:20:51 EDT

>

>This is weird. I'm six weeks pregnant and my jeans are already to tight. I

>have some jeans that I can't even get zipped. I don't remember getting like

>this before.

>Any comments would be helpful.

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi ....wow we will be going through everything pretty much at the same

time. I am 3 weeks and 4 days! Cynarra

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Reply-To: TubalLigationReversal

To: TubalLigationReversal

Subject: (no subject)

Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:20:51 EDT

This is weird. I'm six weeks pregnant and my jeans are already to tight. I

have some jeans that I can't even get zipped. I don't remember getting like

this before.

Any comments would be helpful.

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[Guest guest]

HI Judy, Yes, Dr Levin can still do surgery if AF " is in town " . I had asked

him that question months ago, didn't know if I had to schedule surgery around

AF or not.

Love, Becky Mullen

[Guest guest]

apols. that last communication was to CCreel. Ta Mo

[Guest guest]

it was about an inference that there was an intention to disrupt more than libido - possibly ability to relate affectionately? My memory is not good but it was something along those lines, as I understood it and I am alarmed.

Why would you be alarmed? They already created Paxil, which is more addictive than heroin. Nothing should surprise you with these drugs companies. As far back as the 30's they were trying to control our minds. These drugs are not about curing anything.

Blind Reason

a novel of espionage and pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again.

An army of sheep led by a lion would

defeat an army of lions led by a sheep.

- Oriental proverb

[Guest guest]

Have you found yourself less able to connect with emotional feelings

of love?

How about others here? Everyone jump in here and tell us your

experience

That's why this concept interests me. I know intellectually that I love my husband, but I simply have never felt those emotion "bonds" (to anyone) since I've taken Paxil. It's as though the switch was turned off in my brain. That was why I wrote about this phenomenon in Blind Reason, even though in the years that I was writing this information was not available, but I used this as a way for our government to create programmable killers -- people without any human connection to another person.

Blind Reason

a novel of espionage and pharmaceutical intrigue

Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again.

An army of sheep led by a lion would

defeat an army of lions led by a sheep.

- Oriental proverb