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Vicki, you're a very special person. I have no doubt that you'll make the right

choices for . He won't be alone.

And you sound like a fighter, too. Let's hope the surgery will go well and that

you live a long and full and healthy

life.

Anne, mom of Penina (CHARGE, almost 3)

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Wow Vicki, you have a lot to deal with right now. I think all of us worry about

what will happen to our children after

we're gone, particularly when you know they'll need support for the rest of

their lives. has a nice nest egg

thanks to the law suit we filed against Chrysler after the deaths of our two

children. But he needs someone who will

care for him and make sure that his money is not squandered, and that his needs

are met. I am kind of counting on my

older children for that, or my sister in law who is a professor of special

education at East Carolina University. But

we need to get our plans tied down not because we are facing what you are, but

anything can happen to anyone any time.

It's so hard to see fear in our children, and I know what you mean about 's

fear for you. I remember picking up

our adopted son Seth from his foster mother in Guatemala. She had had him for

15 months from birth. He was terrified,

and she was devistated, and we felt terrible. You just hate to do that to a

kid, even though in the long run it was a

positive thing for him.

Thanks for sharing all this with the list. It reminded me of what we need to

take care of for . And I also hope

you'll use us as a sounding board about your heart surgery. When you face

something like that I think it helps to have

people to listen and we're out here.

Tim Hartshorne

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Patty and Patty's mom,

>

> Reading your post was like hearing myself. I'm 's mom (23). I

> haven't gotten into the heart of how we got . is adopted.

> He spent the first 51/2 years of his life in a institution in the same

> room with children who were dying.

> I married at 18 and had my daughter Dawn when I was 19. At the age

> of 23 I found out that I was born with a curvature of the spine (sway

> back). Having my daughter had damaged my lower spine and I needed to

> have a spinal fusion. Complications with the surgery and 2 months later

> I came out of the hospital. I had one clot lodge in my lunge, blood

> thinners made me hemorrhage on the spine and I was paralyzed from the

> waist down. Took the body cast off and got me up walking to try and

> prevent more clots. Didn't work developed clots in leg. They took me

> back in for the 3rd surgery the put a restricting clamp on the lower

> veina cave to stop the clots from going to my heart and lungs. Stopped

> breathing , spent a week in intensive care on a respirator. God and

> youth were on my side and I walked out of that hospital. The down side

> was I was told that it was no longer a safe thing to have anymore

> children.

> This is were came into my life. We wanted more children so we

> became foster parents. We were sent to the hospital were was to

> work with a little girl who was micro cephalic. She was in the same room

> as . I went to the hospital everyday for 2 weeks to learn how to

> care for Kimmy. When she would be sleeping I would sit on the floor and

> play with . He was so bright. He just glowed. There were allot of

> things wrong with him. I know know that he was a CHARGE baby with

> involvement in all areas. He had already had countless operations. All

> without the love and support of a family. He and I formed a bond in that

> 2 weeks. Everyday when it came time for me to go home he would wrap

> those little arms around my neck and kiss me good-bye. The day to bring

> Kimmy home with us came. All her bags were packed and sitting by her

> crib. figured out that Kimmy was leaving with us. Came time to

> leave and I went to to kiss him good-bye and he started to cry and

> point his finger to himself and then to me. He had to be pulled off of

> me screaming. I cried all the way home. I'm crying now. Silly me. The

> memory still chokes me up. But good things came and we worked at getting

> out of the hospital. It was a little difficult because he was not

> from our area and we had to become foster parents of a county we didn't

> live in.

> Now I debated whether to even go into this on the list but I need

> someone who understands what I am faced with at this point in time.

> has come a very long way. I was really hoping for him to be able

> to live with minimal support but that's not going to happen. The problem

> is I just found out 3 months ago that I will be needing major heart

> surgery in the next few years. My chances of surviving are not as good

> as I would like to have. I am so worried about . I've been working

> to develop a group home for and three other deaf people. With any

> luck the home may be up and running sometime next summer. There are just

> so many things to consider. I have been the major support for from

> the beginning. I have to be very careful talking with about my needing

> the operation because he get really scared. He knows to well what

> happens in hospitals. You all understand how involved we get with our

> kids. We have to be so many things for them during those growing up

> years that such a close bond forms. I don't mean to sound like I'm

> burying myself but the doctors are scaring me. The last time I was in a

> hospital I almost didn't come home.

> Oh , this has turned into a book. I'm sorry. Just needed to talk.

> :-)

> Vicki mom to (23)

>

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Vickie,

Anything we can do, please let us know. You are a brave woman and you have

done a wonderful job with . Thank you for sharing such personal

information with us. I think it makes all of us wake up and take a look at

what we need to do to plan for the time when we are not around for our kids.

We send you all the best and all the Charge family love!

Jacque C.

Austin and 's mom

KS

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Note to Marilyn Ogan....suggestion for 2001 contained here...

>

>

>Wow Vicki, you have a lot to deal with right now. I think all

>of us worry about what will happen to our children after

>we're gone, particularly when you know they'll need support

>for the rest of their lives. <snip>

This was one of the issues brought up at the " 13+ " breakout sessions and

many people suggested having someone in 2001 who could help deal with these

issues. A lawyer to help deal with legalities of kids relating to coming

of age, someone who can help deal with living arrangements if assistance is

needed for moving out of the house, etc. Dee (Kayla's mom) doesn't

envision Kayla moving away from home, but it would be nice if A) there were

options and B) to know what they were if they existed.

At the same time, as Vickie and Tim have pointed out, some of those issues

may confront us before we are ready! A lwyer might be able to help with

guardianship issues as well....

Bob

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Teacher to Kayla age 16 11 days before school starts again!

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In a message dated 7/30/99 10:47:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

bobjames@... writes:

<< A lawyer to help deal with legalities of kids relating to coming

of age, someone who can help deal with living arrangements if assistance is

needed for moving out of the house, etc. Dee (Kayla's mom) doesn't

envision Kayla moving away from home, but it would be nice if A) there were

options and B) to know what they were if they existed. >>

Bob,

Voight here, I can't imagine Mark living away from home either!

But I do have to be realistic, We won't be around forever to care for him. I

would really like some sound advice from a Lawyer. And some options I'd be

comfortable with, NOW THAT MIGHT BE THE HARD PART LOL! A great idea for the

conference.

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Vicki,

I hope you get things in place with the other deaf folks and the home before

your surgery, I " ll be thinking of you as I know you must be just about

frantic right now with worry over . You've brought a lot of hope to me

with your stories of , and I hope everything goes really well with your

surgery almost on a selfish note, because I'd love to keep hearing your

stories, and also because I'm really looking forward to meeting you and

in Indy.

Lots of love,

Mom to Kennedy 18 mos old CHARGEr, 10, 8, and wife to Graeme

New Brunswick, Canada

Visit the " Weir homepage " at:

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/5716

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>

>

>Dear Patty and Patty's mom,

>

> Reading your post was like hearing myself. I'm 's mom (23). I

>haven't gotten into the heart of how we got . is adopted.

>He spent the first 51/2 years of his life in a institution in the same

>room with children who were dying.

> I married at 18 and had my daughter Dawn when I was 19. At the age

>of 23 I found out that I was born with a curvature of the spine (sway

>back). Having my daughter had damaged my lower spine and I needed to

>have a spinal fusion. Complications with the surgery and 2 months later

>I came out of the hospital. I had one clot lodge in my lunge, blood

>thinners made me hemorrhage on the spine and I was paralyzed from the

>waist down. Took the body cast off and got me up walking to try and

>prevent more clots. Didn't work developed clots in leg. They took me

>back in for the 3rd surgery the put a restricting clamp on the lower

>veina cave to stop the clots from going to my heart and lungs. Stopped

>breathing , spent a week in intensive care on a respirator. God and

>youth were on my side and I walked out of that hospital. The down side

>was I was told that it was no longer a safe thing to have anymore

>children.

> This is were came into my life. We wanted more children so we

>became foster parents. We were sent to the hospital were was to

>work with a little girl who was micro cephalic. She was in the same room

>as . I went to the hospital everyday for 2 weeks to learn how to

>care for Kimmy. When she would be sleeping I would sit on the floor and

>play with . He was so bright. He just glowed. There were allot of

>things wrong with him. I know know that he was a CHARGE baby with

>involvement in all areas. He had already had countless operations. All

>without the love and support of a family. He and I formed a bond in that

>2 weeks. Everyday when it came time for me to go home he would wrap

>those little arms around my neck and kiss me good-bye. The day to bring

>Kimmy home with us came. All her bags were packed and sitting by her

>crib. figured out that Kimmy was leaving with us. Came time to

>leave and I went to to kiss him good-bye and he started to cry and

>point his finger to himself and then to me. He had to be pulled off of

>me screaming. I cried all the way home. I'm crying now. Silly me. The

>memory still chokes me up. But good things came and we worked at getting

> out of the hospital. It was a little difficult because he was not

>from our area and we had to become foster parents of a county we didn't

>live in.

> Now I debated whether to even go into this on the list but I need

>someone who understands what I am faced with at this point in time.

> has come a very long way. I was really hoping for him to be able

>to live with minimal support but that's not going to happen. The problem

>is I just found out 3 months ago that I will be needing major heart

>surgery in the next few years. My chances of surviving are not as good

>as I would like to have. I am so worried about . I've been working

>to develop a group home for and three other deaf people. With any

>luck the home may be up and running sometime next summer. There are just

>so many things to consider. I have been the major support for from

>the beginning. I have to be very careful talking with about my needing

>the operation because he get really scared. He knows to well what

>happens in hospitals. You all understand how involved we get with our

>kids. We have to be so many things for them during those growing up

>years that such a close bond forms. I don't mean to sound like I'm

>burying myself but the doctors are scaring me. The last time I was in a

>hospital I almost didn't come home.

> Oh , this has turned into a book. I'm sorry. Just needed to talk.

>:-)

>Vicki mom to (23)

>

>

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Dear Patty and Patty's mom,

Reading your post was like hearing myself. I'm 's mom (23). I

haven't gotten into the heart of how we got . is adopted.

He spent the first 51/2 years of his life in a institution in the same

room with children who were dying.

I married at 18 and had my daughter Dawn when I was 19. At the age

of 23 I found out that I was born with a curvature of the spine (sway

back). Having my daughter had damaged my lower spine and I needed to

have a spinal fusion. Complications with the surgery and 2 months later

I came out of the hospital. I had one clot lodge in my lunge, blood

thinners made me hemorrhage on the spine and I was paralyzed from the

waist down. Took the body cast off and got me up walking to try and

prevent more clots. Didn't work developed clots in leg. They took me

back in for the 3rd surgery the put a restricting clamp on the lower

veina cave to stop the clots from going to my heart and lungs. Stopped

breathing , spent a week in intensive care on a respirator. God and

youth were on my side and I walked out of that hospital. The down side

was I was told that it was no longer a safe thing to have anymore

children.

This is were came into my life. We wanted more children so we

became foster parents. We were sent to the hospital were was to

work with a little girl who was micro cephalic. She was in the same room

as . I went to the hospital everyday for 2 weeks to learn how to

care for Kimmy. When she would be sleeping I would sit on the floor and

play with . He was so bright. He just glowed. There were allot of

things wrong with him. I know know that he was a CHARGE baby with

involvement in all areas. He had already had countless operations. All

without the love and support of a family. He and I formed a bond in that

2 weeks. Everyday when it came time for me to go home he would wrap

those little arms around my neck and kiss me good-bye. The day to bring

Kimmy home with us came. All her bags were packed and sitting by her

crib. figured out that Kimmy was leaving with us. Came time to

leave and I went to to kiss him good-bye and he started to cry and

point his finger to himself and then to me. He had to be pulled off of

me screaming. I cried all the way home. I'm crying now. Silly me. The

memory still chokes me up. But good things came and we worked at getting

out of the hospital. It was a little difficult because he was not

from our area and we had to become foster parents of a county we didn't

live in.

Now I debated whether to even go into this on the list but I need

someone who understands what I am faced with at this point in time.

has come a very long way. I was really hoping for him to be able

to live with minimal support but that's not going to happen. The problem

is I just found out 3 months ago that I will be needing major heart

surgery in the next few years. My chances of surviving are not as good

as I would like to have. I am so worried about . I've been working

to develop a group home for and three other deaf people. With any

luck the home may be up and running sometime next summer. There are just

so many things to consider. I have been the major support for from

the beginning. I have to be very careful talking with about my needing

the operation because he get really scared. He knows to well what

happens in hospitals. You all understand how involved we get with our

kids. We have to be so many things for them during those growing up

years that such a close bond forms. I don't mean to sound like I'm

burying myself but the doctors are scaring me. The last time I was in a

hospital I almost didn't come home.

Oh , this has turned into a book. I'm sorry. Just needed to talk.

:-)

Vicki mom to (23)

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--Welcome Vicki and , You're storie brought tears to my eyes, you are

an inspiration. My prayers will be with you these coming weeks. please let us

know when your surgery will be, you will have many people praying for you from

this list.

Mom to , Kaitlynn & (18 months) Charge

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Thank you, there are a lot of people praying and giving support this

list and here at home. I thank God everyday for them.

Vicki mom to (23)

& Hay wrote:

>

>

> --Welcome Vicki and , You're storie brought tears to

> my eyes, you are an inspiration. My prayers will be with you

> these coming weeks. please let us know when your surgery

> will be, you will have many people praying for you from this

> list. Mom to , Kaitlynn & (18 months)

> Charge

>

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