Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Most people need at least 15MG a day in divided doses, so that is a good point to hold for at least 2 weeks to see if it will be enough for you. If it is enough you will know by having NO adrenal symptoms, no shakes and especially no nausea. If you find you are having to stress dose, for things like a scare while driving or get shaky before you eat, it is a good sign you need more. The temp graph when the daily AVERAGES level out to less than .02 degrees difference over a 4-5 day period shows good support in place. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Hi everyone: I am feeling apathetic and washed out. I want to do things but I just cannot seem to get myself to do them. My temps are normal and not fluctuating tho they have gotten a bit lower, they still get up to 98.4 or 98.5 and at times 98.6 during the day. I am 8 weeks post surgery so I am not sure what to do. I did not even have the energy to apply for jobs in time for the new school year thus I am not employed at the moment and need to apply for COBRA insurance but have not had the energy. Any suggestions? It seems if I force myself to leave the house I feel more energetic. It is very hot outside but I don't think that is it. I don't know what else to try other than all the hormones I use, tri est, progesterone, ocassional testosterone but not much, DHEA small doses, melatonin at night at times, growth hormone shots. I still feel like I am just barely alive. Thanks, -- Re: HC dosing Most people need at least 15MG a day in divided doses, so that is a good point to hold for at least 2 weeks to see if it will be enough for you. If it is enough you will know by having NO adrenal symptoms, no shakes and especially no nausea. If you find you are having to stress dose, for things like a scare while driving or get shaky before you eat, it is a good sign you need more. The temp graph when the daily AVERAGES level out to less than .02 degrees difference over a 4-5 day period shows good support in place. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 In a message dated 21/08/2006 04:48:05 GMT Daylight Time, artisticgroomer@... writes: The temp graph when the daily AVERAGES level out to less than .02 degrees difference over a 4-5 day period shows good support in place. Val Help I am immunerate. And I don't know how to do this. I am tracking my temps, as you know, to try to figure out what is going on with me. 97.3 to 97.8 to 98.5 (rising each time) is what I have been recording (averages) for the last three days. Will continue to Day 5. Would you mind explaining to me how the .02 thingee works? Thanks Val. Mo ps I found my temp. tantalising close to optimum yesterday. Felt like I should shout, cheer, jump up and down. Only I had no energy to do so! What a bummer!! I WILL get there soon. Such a nice change from constant temps. of 96.1 or 2 from year and half ago. NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Sounds like you need more Armour. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 In a message dated 21/08/2006 12:30:09 GMT Daylight Time, artisticgroomer@... writes: First you are showing signs that your adrenals are NOT fully supported. Clrtisol provides a steady stream of thyroid to the cells, and by doing so regulates your temp fairly well. It is NORMAL for it to be lower in the AM then rise into afternoon or evening then drop back down later at night when you go to bed. But these fluctuations should be very close to the same from day to day so the three times a day average is what you have to look at. If you are hypoadrenal, it will fluctuate (and be low)as yours is doing, if you are just hypothyroid it will be steady but low (under 98.5-6). Hi Val This is as you suspected isn't it? Thanks for noticing. I remember when I last did the temps. on your suggestion, it came out low but steady and you advised another Amour increase. The adrenals must have been alright then I suppose? That was about 2/3 months ago and after I came off the high dose Pred back onto the h.c. 98.0 is the average of thwo temps I have taken already today. What do you think I should do Val? Are there sufficient readings here or do I need to continue. I think my last increase of 1st August is kicking in today, I have lots more energy and am feeling extraordinarily happy which is more than nice! Thanks. Mo ps if there if insufficient cortisolto get the thyroid into my cells how come my FT3 is top of the range as we kind of assume it? Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 In a message dated 21/08/2006 15:10:30 GMT Daylight Time, artisticgroomer@... writes: If you are feeling GOOD hold right where you are! OK. My afterthought is that I DLPA this morning and again just now so don't know if it is this that has given me the oomph! Nothing, zilch, happened after my last three, for our even raises of Armour. Nothing. Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 >>97.3 to 97.8 to 98.5 (rising each time) is what I have been recording (averages) for the last three days. Will continue to Day 5. Would you mind explaining to me how the .02 thingee works?<< First you are showing signs that your adrenals are NOT fully supported. Clrtisol provides a steady stream of thyroid to the cells, and by doing so regulates your temp fairly well. It is NORMAL for it to be lower in the AM then rise into afternoon or evening then drop back down later at night when you go to bed. But these fluctuations should be very close to the same from day to day so the three times a day average is what you have to look at. If you are hypoadrenal, it will fluctuate (and be low)as yours is doing, if you are just hypothyroid it will be steady but low (under 98.5-6). -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 >>It is NORMAL for it to be lower in the AM then rise into afternoon or evening then drop back down later at night when you go to bed. But these fluctuations should be very close to the same from day to day so the three times a day average is what you have to look at. If you are hypoadrenal, it will fluctuate (and be low)as yours is doing, if you are just hypothyroid it will be steady but low (under 98.5-6). I think this is why I am getting a little confused with the temps. I upped my armour to 3-3/4 grains on Thursday from 3-1/2. My temps are not showing too bad of fluctuations looking at the daily averages, but the temps are going up and down during the day. They weren't doing that before. They were steadily climbing during the day and then going back down at night before bed. I have started to feel shaky lately, too. I'm not currently on any HC. I don't actually see my arms shaking, but I get that inner shaky feeling. When I played tennis yesterday, I thought I was going to die. I raised my arms to serve the ball, and I felt like I was shaking all over. My basal temps have not been moving much either. I don't think its hyper. I'm not experiencing unusual sweats, frequent BMs, or anything else. Mon- 98.2, 98.6, 98.9, 98.2: = 98.5 Tue- 98.2, 98.6, 98.4, 98.4: = 98.4 Wed- 97.8, 98.1, 98.4, 99.0: = 98.3 (start of new dose) Thu- 98.1, 98.6, 98.7, 98.7: avg= 98.5 Fri- 97.9, 98.6, 98.2, 98.9: avg= 98.4 Sat- 98.2, 99.2, 98.6, 98.8: avg= 98.7 Sun- 98.1, (after tennis) 99.1, 99.1, 98.1: avg= 98.6 Basal temps: Wed- 97.2 Thur- 97.5 Fri-97.4 Sat- (oops) Sun- 97.3 Mon- 97.5 Does this look like too much thyroid or a need for HC? I was on HC before when I was at a lower dose of Armour, but I didn't think I needed it, so I tapered it off several weeks ago. Since I haven't had the test done, I didn't want to take it unless I knew that I needed it. Thanks, Stephani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 >>I think my last increase of 1st August is kicking in today, I have lots more energy and am feeling extraordinarily happy which is more than nice!<< If you are feeling GOOD hold right where you are! -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 >>Does this look like too much thyroid or a need for HC? I was on HC before when I was at a lower dose of Armour, but I didn't think I needed it, so I tapered it off several weeks ago. Since I haven't had the test done, I didn't want to take it unless I knew that I needed it.<< I would try to get the testing done. Your temps are borderline but not that bad, so it is very hard to tell. Usually there is more fluctuation when the adrenals are struggling, but you are still fluctuating a little. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 ok thanks. > I would try to get the testing done. Your temps are borderline but not that bad, so it is very hard to tell. Usually there is more fluctuation when the adrenals are struggling, but you are still fluctuating a little. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2006 Report Share Posted August 21, 2006 >>My afterthought is that I DLPA this morning and again just now so don't know if it is this that has given me the oomph! Nothing, zilch, happened after my last three, for our even raises of Armour. Nothing.<< What is DLPA? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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