Guest guest Posted May 17, 1999 Report Share Posted May 17, 1999 How do they make you feel stupid? Give us an example? But, I think I know what you mean. Them being so closed minded that they aren't willing to write their message down or will have an inherent need to aide you since you can't hear. What really bugs me is that people think that when you have a hearing loss, that you are STUPID. I am glad to be a part of this elite group of people. Elite???? I didn't know we were Elite. The word, " Elite " to me conjures up people who think so highly of themselves and are very esoteric and isolationistic that they shut everyone else out and only let the limited " elite " group in. I hope we're not like that? If we are, I think I joined the wrong group. Well, keep venting, I'll be 'listening' Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are you hogging all the fun? http://www.onelist.com Friends tell friends about ONElist! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 1999 Report Share Posted May 18, 1999 Mark Sarmac wrote: > How do they make you feel stupid? Give us an example? Some people give you those looks like, " oh yeah, you're one of those 'slow' people and just treat you in a derogatory manner... difficult to really describe, but I think I understand where Sherry was coming from. " been there, felt that " > Elite???? I didn't know we were Elite. The word, " Elite " to me conjures up > people who think so highly of themselves and are very esoteric and > isolationistic that they shut everyone else out and only let the limited > " elite " group in. I hope we're not like that? If we are, I think I joined > the wrong group. Yeah, Mark, you are entitled to think " elite " can only mean one thing... but I think Sherry was alluding to a positive meaning of the word... She has taken an apparently negatively valued state of being (that of possessing NF2 and all its wonders--what society considers " ills " and " disease " ... all those invalidating terms) and transformed it into a positively valued trait... membership in the Crew. We are indeed elite (that is, unique and gifted) in the insights that our NF2 experiences give us/being familiar with others' experiences. It is fundamental that we start with our own raised-consciousness regarding the lived reality of what it means to have " disabling " conditions such as NF2, rather than falling prey to the dictates of the general population. I do consider myself elite in my experiences and blessed by the friendships formed through the Crew... yet I am extremely humbled. " We're " no " better " than anyone, but we're no worse, either--and we deserve the same respect as anyone else that walks (or wheels) into a place of business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 1999 Report Share Posted May 18, 1999 In a message dated 5/18/99 2:51:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mark_sarmac@... writes: << How do they make you feel stupid? >> WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH ABOUT WHAT EVERYONE THINGS MARK, GET OVER IT AND YES I KNOW I'M WRITING IN ALL CAPS. -Earl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 1999 Report Share Posted May 18, 1999 At 11:57 PM 5/17/99 PDT, you wrote: > > >How do they make you feel stupid? Give us an example? But, I think I know >what you mean. Them being so closed minded that they aren't willing to write >their message down or will have an inherent need to aide you since you can't >hear. Mark: If I used the terminology of " feeling stupid " , please forgive me. I meant that they treat you like you are stupid. I am not good at writing when I am venting. I just type with the flow, which in my case, that flow is kind of rough on the edges! LOL An example of how someone treats you as if you are stupid is when they say something and you ask them to repeat what they said and this exchange continues back and forth for a half a dozen times, they get this far away look in their eyes like, " Oh oh! This person has more than a hearing problem! They can't even understand the words I am using! " I know you have experienced this situation more than once, as has a lot of other people on this list. >Elite???? I didn't know we were Elite. The word, " Elite " to me conjures up >people who think so highly of themselves and are very esoteric and >isolationistic that they shut everyone else out and only let the limited > " elite " group in. I hope we're not like that? If we are, I think I joined >the wrong group. There again, I started to doubt my use of words, so I proceeded to have consultation with Mr. Webster, not the REAL person of course! LOL He describes elite as: the group or part of a group selected or regarded as the finest, best, most distinguished, most powerful, ect. . . It is my opinion that we are an elite group! It is my way of saying that this group is the best around; for the purpose which it was established. No, I don't intend to give the impression to anyone that we think highly of ourselves! LOL God forbid if that message entered anyone else's mind! I am glad to get several responses to my sloppy venting because it helps me to put things into perspective. We are all in this together! Thanks for the reply! Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 1999 Report Share Posted May 18, 1999 AMEN EARL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 1999 Report Share Posted May 19, 1999 ----Original Message Follows---- they get this far away look in their eyes like, " Oh oh! This person has more than a hearing problem! They can't even understand the words I am using! " I know you have experienced this situation more than once, as has a lot of other people on this list. I get that too, and with this situation, I usually revert to writing pad so the KNOW I'm not an idiot. If they still refuse to accomodate me, tough, their loss not mine. If it's a business? I take my money elsewhere. brought up a very good point. Why would you want to work for someone who will NOT accomodate you, well, I'll say the samething, why whould you want to associate or give people your time who are not willing to be flexible with you? that we are an elite group! It is my way of saying that this group is the best around; for the purpose which it was established. No, I don't intend to give the impression to anyone that we think highly of ourselves! LOL God forbid if that message entered anyone else's mind! Okay, it is me who should apologize to you because we are indeed an " elite " group. I mean, c'mon it's not easy leaving with NF2 and late deafness, put we still are able to plow on. I admire that in people: there perserverance, persistence, etc. I am glad to get several responses to my sloppy venting because it helps me to put things into perspective. We are all in this together! Thanks for the reply! Ah it's cool. I there was just a little misunderstanding that's all, and I wanted to clarify. Keep on venting and I'll keep on listening. Mark Sherry ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ONElist members are using Shared Files in great ways! http://www.onelist.com Are you? If not, see our homepage for details. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 1999 Report Share Posted May 19, 1999 Well, let me reply. While it is true that I had asked you all for information concerning your relationship with the Deaf and hearing, I used that information in an anonymous way for one paper. I did not in any try to use information by inciting conversation with my post. If it made it seem so, then I apologize. I also apologize for commenting on anyone writing in all CAPS because to me, I saw that as yelling. I didn't realize until now that some members have trouble with their vision. The reason's for my postings is because I wanted to get a dialogue going on about things that are going on with me and to see if members of this Crew agree or disagree, and if they disagree, please tell why. I, in no way, didn't mean to offend anyone because of my post. And if they did, I apologize again. However, I was taught to question things and never accept things at face value. If I don't agree with something what is said or I don't understand something, I make sure to challenge and not follow blindly with the status quo, or I make sure I understand something more clearly. I was also taught to accept criticism. If you don't believe or disagree with the things that I say, then by all means, tell me that you don't, but tell me why you don't. From Roscoe's, Joanna's, and Earl's email postings, it seems that I was the cause for all the trouble in this list. If I am, then hey take me out, by all means, I don't want to cause anyone grief. I joined this group, however, for support, because I too have NF2. I also joined to get other's opinions about their feelings on how their relationship with the hearing world had changed, and how it affected them, because I, too, am going through what many of you have gone through are going through. If kicking me out of this list will solve your problems, then by all means do it. However, I would like to stay and I would never volunteer to leave because to me, that is quitting and what I've learned from many of you is to never quit. Again, if my postings have offended you, then apologize again. Mark ----Original Message Follows---- From: ROSCOP1@... Reply-To: NF2_Crewonelist To: NF2_Crewonelist Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:21:08 EDT From: ROSCOP1@... In a message dated 99-05-19 09:50:12 EDT, you write: << I don't think we should take Mark's comments so personally. I really think that Mark is trying to dig up information for a term paper or thesis. Remember when he asked us for our thoughts about late deafness for a paper he was doing a few months ago? My guess is that he didn't get the response that he hoped for, so now he's posting antagonistic questions and remarks to get people to talk about their feelings and situations. Mark, I hope that you will share your paper with us when its done. >> Most excellent, na. FINALLY you make Mark accessible for me. Heretofore I felt him a simpleton who mimicked everything he heard w/o consideration of its context. But that felt wrong because the fragments of logic he bases his ravings on require an insight the perspective I'd assumed he was writing from did not allow.You're rightand have shown me the light. Thanks...... NONETHELESS Suberterfuge in a context such as this is a form of mind rape and each of you should feel violated. I do. You can be absolutely certain that while I admire Mark's cleverness, I also resent it. Since such shenegans seem to be the norm for this man, Nf2 or not, I DO NOT now trust him to foster goodwill for the crew outside the privacy this list commands.. While it is true I no longer contribute much, you all may be absolutely certain that so long as this forum is available for individuals to abuse its trust the way Mark has... No...more. This disaffects me so much that I find it necessary to absent myself. Take me off this list Gatekeeper. Notify me when Mark has been removed or resigned. Perhaps then I may rejoin. Roscoe ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ONElist: where real people with real interests get connected. http://www.onelist.com Join a new list today! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 1999 Report Share Posted May 19, 1999 In a message dated 99-05-19 09:50:12 EDT, you write: << I don't think we should take Mark's comments so personally. I really think that Mark is trying to dig up information for a term paper or thesis. Remember when he asked us for our thoughts about late deafness for a paper he was doing a few months ago? My guess is that he didn't get the response that he hoped for, so now he's posting antagonistic questions and remarks to get people to talk about their feelings and situations. Mark, I hope that you will share your paper with us when its done. >> Most excellent, na. FINALLY you make Mark accessible for me. Heretofore I felt him a simpleton who mimicked everything he heard w/o consideration of its context. But that felt wrong because the fragments of logic he bases his ravings on require an insight the perspective I'd assumed he was writing from did not allow.You're rightand have shown me the light. Thanks...... NONETHELESS Suberterfuge in a context such as this is a form of mind rape and each of you should feel violated. I do. You can be absolutely certain that while I admire Mark's cleverness, I also resent it. Since such shenegans seem to be the norm for this man, Nf2 or not, I DO NOT now trust him to foster goodwill for the crew outside the privacy this list commands.. While it is true I no longer contribute much, you all may be absolutely certain that so long as this forum is available for individuals to abuse its trust the way Mark has... No...more. This disaffects me so much that I find it necessary to absent myself. Take me off this list Gatekeeper. Notify me when Mark has been removed or resigned. Perhaps then I may rejoin. Roscoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 1999 Report Share Posted May 19, 1999 I don't think we should take Mark's comments so personally. I really think that Mark is trying to dig up information for a term paper or thesis. Remember when he asked us for our thoughts about late deafness for a paper he was doing a few months ago? My guess is that he didn't get the response that he hoped for, so now he's posting antagonistic questions and remarks to get people to talk about their feelings and situations. Mark, I hope that you will share your paper with us when its done. About the caps... personally, I don't enjoy reading all caps. If someone doesn't want to use proper capitalization, I wish they would just type in all small letters. That's just my personal preference. I don't want people to STOP posting because they don't want to offend me, or want to type in small letters. I know the new people don't realize that all caps are difficult to read for some people and that on the net caps are usually reserved for SHOUTING or emphasis. I had a friend ( Conklin, an NF2'er that died not too long ago) who typed in all caps because it was difficult for him to use the shift key. na From: PuppyYawn@... In a message dated 5/18/99 2:51:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mark_sarmac@... writes: << How do they make you feel stupid? >> WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH ABOUT WHAT EVERYONE THINGS MARK, GET OVER IT AND YES I KNOW I'M WRITING IN ALL CAPS. -Earl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 1999 Report Share Posted May 19, 1999 I'm not offended. Marie Mark Sarmac wrote: > > > Well, let me reply. While it is true that I had asked you all for > information concerning your relationship with the Deaf and hearing, I used > that information in an anonymous way for one paper. I did not in any try to > use information by inciting conversation with my post. If it made it seem > so, then I apologize. I also apologize for commenting on anyone writing in > all CAPS because to me, I saw that as yelling. I didn't realize until now > that some members have trouble with their vision. > > The reason's for my postings is because I wanted to get a dialogue going on > about things that are going on with me and to see if members of this Crew > agree or disagree, and if they disagree, please tell why. I, in no way, > didn't mean to offend anyone because of my post. And if they did, I > apologize again. However, I was taught to question things and never accept > things at face value. If I don't agree with something what is said or I > don't understand something, I make sure to challenge and not follow blindly > with the status quo, or I make sure I understand something more clearly. > > I was also taught to accept criticism. If you don't believe or disagree with > the things that I say, then by all means, tell me that you don't, but tell > me why you don't. > > >From Roscoe's, Joanna's, and Earl's email postings, it seems that I was the > cause for all the trouble in this list. If I am, then hey take me out, by > all means, I don't want to cause anyone grief. > I joined this group, however, for support, because I too have NF2. I also > joined to get other's opinions about their feelings on how their > relationship with the hearing world had changed, and how it affected them, > because I, too, am going through what many of you have gone through are > going through. > > If kicking me out of this list will solve your problems, then by all means > do it. However, I would like to stay and I would never volunteer to leave > because to me, that is quitting and what I've learned from many of you is to > never quit. > > Again, if my postings have offended you, then apologize again. > > Mark > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: ROSCOP1@... > Reply-To: NF2_Crewonelist > To: NF2_Crewonelist > Subject: Re: (no subject) > Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:21:08 EDT > > From: ROSCOP1@... > > In a message dated 99-05-19 09:50:12 EDT, you write: > > << > I don't think we should take Mark's comments so personally. I really > think > that Mark is trying to dig up information for a term paper or thesis. > Remember when he asked us for our thoughts about late deafness for a paper > he was doing a few months ago? My guess is that he didn't get the > response > that he hoped for, so now he's posting antagonistic questions and remarks > to > get people to talk about their feelings and situations. Mark, I hope > that > you will share your paper with us when its done. > >> > Most excellent, na. FINALLY you make Mark accessible for me. Heretofore > I > felt him a simpleton who mimicked everything he heard w/o consideration of > its context. But that felt wrong because the fragments of logic he bases his > ravings on require an insight the perspective I'd assumed he was writing > from > did not allow.You're rightand have shown me the light. Thanks...... > NONETHELESS > > Suberterfuge in a context such as this is a form of mind rape and each of > you > should feel violated. I do. You can be absolutely certain that while I > admire > Mark's cleverness, I also resent it. Since such shenegans seem to be the > norm > for this man, Nf2 or not, I DO NOT now trust him to foster goodwill for the > crew outside the privacy this list commands.. While it is true I no longer > contribute much, you all may be absolutely certain that so long as this > forum > is available for individuals to abuse its trust the way Mark has... > > No...more. > > This disaffects me so much that I find it necessary to absent myself. Take > me > off this list Gatekeeper. Notify me when Mark has been removed or resigned. > Perhaps then I may rejoin. > > Roscoe > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ONElist: where real people with real interests get connected. > http://www.onelist.com > Join a new list today! > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > What was YOUR favorite part?! > http://www.onelist.com > Tell other Star Wars fans at ONElist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 1999 Report Share Posted May 19, 1999 Wow you guys ever have just one of those days ? Mabey feel like you should have just stayed in bed all day ? Man I had one of those today. To start out things were fine I was only running 5 minutes late and considering I have no alarm clock that is good but on the way to work my faithful old Blazer began to slowly overheat and it was only 80 out. I thought ok I need to flush the cooling system this weekend but when I got to the shop at work water was boiling out of the radiator and when I tried to restart Ol Betsy she refused and said quitley " Sorry I am Sleeping " and when she finally came to life water came out the exhaust too! Telling me she had a blown head gasket. So figuring my route would have to be cancelled I went to talk with the other supervisors and I thought I was in luck because one of the other guys was selling his truck and the boss was willing to finance it himself so I happiley agreed to the terms and loaded my equipment into the new 91 Mazda B3000 pickup and began my route and was only running 2 hours late and that was good considering everything we had to do to prep the new truck. About 2 hours into my rounds I stopped at the AM/PM gas station and filled up and to my suprise it only toook 19 dollars compared to my Blazers 40 dollars to fill up and was all set with Pepsi in hand and low and behold the blasted lil trucks starter went out ! So imediatly rushing my TDD to the payphone on the corner I called the bonehead who sold me the truck and he was nice enought to purchase the new starter ( $65) and bring my the starter and the poper tools to change it and with \in an hour we had it running and I was back on track. Now my route was a little light thank God but when I got to my last job whice was just a 5 minute customer follow up to check our new guys work I found out that he never did anything to give this customer cable ! So that left me to do his job whice took me close to 2 hours to complete. So I guess I saw the meaning of the old saying " why does a lack of planning on your part nessacarly mean an emergency on my part ? " well now I got that insallation completed at 630 and one of the other guys needed help so I volenteered and went on one more service call and the lady was nice until I told her I was almost deaf and asked her to write her question down on my notepad and she got mad and said (and I heard) " why on earth do you work at a place where you have to talk with people and go to thier homes :? in a very nasty tone. I said would you like me to fix your cable ? she said " NO " I want someone that can hear me " I said " fine we will see you a week from Friday " and happiley left Thanking her for her time because you see I have learned that when people are mad the worst thing you can do to them is be nice and it is her loss too cuz she will get another cable guys who does not care what his work looks like and might even make her problems worse but of well we'll see you a week from Friday. in Vegas just fixing cable like it should be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 1999 Report Share Posted May 20, 1999 , i just read how your day went sorry it was so bad, but i have to congratulate you on your method of handling it all ,i to am a firm believer in killing with kindness!!!!!!! Alice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 1999 Report Share Posted May 24, 1999 You're very welcome , but I think someone else deserves the credit. It wasn't me who posted. Mark ----Original Message Follows---- From: Jdmd4ever@... Reply-To: NF2_Crewonelist To: NF2_Crewonelist Subject: Re: " no significant changes " SIZE does count Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 09:45:08 EDT From: Jdmd4ever@... HI MARK, THANKYOU FOR YOUR INPUT ON THIS TOPIC. WHEN I POSTED THIS QUESTION THIS WAS WHY I POSTED IT. I FEEL THAT SIZE DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCEE ULTIMATELY! I HAVE RECIEVED RESPONSES WHERE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT I SHOULD DEMAND TO HAVE SCANS LOOKED AT WITH THE DOCTORS - WELL WITH ALL DO RESPECT I DO DO THAT AND I ALSO HAVE HAD THE SAME MRI PLACE PERFORM THE TEST. THE PROBLEM I HAVE EXPERIENCED IS THAT WHEN THEY KEEP SAYING NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES AND THEN WHEN YOU FINALLY DEMAND ACTUAL MEASUREMENTS AND SEE THAT OVER A PERIOD OF 3 SCANS U DO HAVE A SIGNIFCANT CHANGE NOW MY PROBLEM IS ITS TOO DAM BIG TO TRY TO REMOVE WITH SUCCESS AND I THINK THATS PRETTY SAD FOR A CHILD TO HAVE THAT CHANCE OF PRESERVATION. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND ONCE A TUMOR IS OVER 2CM THE CHANCES OF PRESEVERVATION OF PRESERVING HEARING ARE MUCH SLIMER THAN IF ITS SMALLER. WELL WITH ONE SIDE REMAINING IN MY CHILD WITH A 2.3CM ACOUSTIC (1 1/2 YEARS AGO IT WAS 1.5 CM) I FEEL DOOMED NOW DUE TO THESE IMPROPER READINGS OVER TIME. MARIA FROM NY ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Give back to your community through " Grow to Give. " http://www.ONElist.com See homepage for details. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 1999 Report Share Posted May 26, 1999 You know, according to Darwin's theory of evolution, we wouldn't be even alive right now? heh, just wanted to state something. Mark ----Original Message Follows---- Imagine living in the times of the hunters and gatherers, living nomadically. Do you think the ability to hear would hamper your chances of survival? Would deafness be an obstacle then? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Looking to expand your world? http://www.onelist.com ONElist has over 150,000 e-mail communities from which to chose! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 1999 Report Share Posted June 1, 1999 So I'm curious now . If everyone else had blond hair, blue eyes, 6'2 " , Caucasian, and male, and you're not, would that be considered a disability? Just asking, Mark ----Original Message Follows---- Reply-To: NF2_Crewonelist To: <NF2_Crewonelist> Subject: Re: " disability " Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:14:43 -0500 >, you're right. >But see, any particular trait could be singled-out as >a disability... we just happen to choose certain ones >in certain societies at certain times. Think about it >this way: >the inability to fly is not defined as a disability. If a BIRD can't fly, he is disabled, because all of the other birds are flying. Man doesn't have a God-given ability to fly- hence, the airplane. So, no, the inability to fly is not a disability. Although someone will probably now try to claim that for SS benefits, and they will undoubtedly get approved and receive more benefits than the average deaf guy. (Did you know there was a cop in NY who claimed RACISM as a disability because his years on the force gave him a hatred of minorities?) There are so many lazy/corrupt people who abuse the system, claiming " disability " over things like obesity, racism, etc., and then there are people with REAL disabilities who refuse to acknowledge them. I think that is a tribute to those of us with legitimate " disabilities. " ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Having difficulty getting " in synch " with list members? http://www.onelist.com Try ONElist's Shared Calendar to organize events, meetings and more! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 1999 Report Share Posted June 1, 1999 Well, again, what's really your defintion of 'disability'? People who see themselves as 'not tall enough' as being disabled. Also, why would many women want to contort or abuse their bodies to fit society's meaning on what's beautiful? They are not disabled and can " function properly " but yet they 'contort' their bodies. And if all birds are meant to fly, why don't the penguins and ostrich fly? As a wise teacher told me once: " it takes all kinds to make a world. " Just a thought, Mark ----Original Message Follows---- Reply-To: NF2_Crewonelist To: <NF2_Crewonelist> Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:54:25 -0500 > > >So I'm curious now . If everyone else had blond hair, blue eyes, 6'2 " , >Caucasian, and male, and you're not, would that be considered a disability? > >Just asking, > >Mark > Would it affect your ability to function? Be real. Not having, say, HAIR is not a disability. You and compare going deaf to the ability to fly and being a tall white guy. Does that not strike you as the least bit nuts? If it's not a disability, why do you need to counsel late-deafened adults? Oh, I forgot- it's " society " bringing us down. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ONElist: bringing the world together. http://www.onelist.com Join a new list today! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 1999 Report Share Posted June 1, 1999 hehehehe Earl, you so crazy! =P Mark PS...reminds me of an '80s song that goes... " you spin me a round round baby round, round, round, like a record player baby, round round round round. " I forgot who the artist and the name of the song was. ----Original Message Follows---- From: PuppyYawn@... Reply-To: NF2_Crewonelist To: NF2_Crewonelist Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:57:45 EDT From: PuppyYawn@... In a message dated 6/1/99 6:52:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nathan@... writes: << You and compare going deaf to the ability to fly and being a tall white guy. Does that not strike you as the least bit nuts? If it's not a disability, why do you need to counsel late-deafened adults? Oh, I forgot- it's " society " bringing us down. >> Yes and you compared genital mutilation w/parents not getting CI's for their deaf kids....All 3 of you go round and round and round....just say " UNCLE " and move on w/something else cuz its really old and has a bad smell. -Earl E. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Have you entered ONElist's " Grow to Give " program? http://www.onelist.com Deadline is June 19. Join now to win $5000 for your charity of choice. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 1999 Report Share Posted June 1, 1999 > > >So I'm curious now . If everyone else had blond hair, blue eyes, 6'2 " , >Caucasian, and male, and you're not, would that be considered a disability? > >Just asking, > >Mark > Would it affect your ability to function? Be real. Not having, say, HAIR is not a disability. You and compare going deaf to the ability to fly and being a tall white guy. Does that not strike you as the least bit nuts? If it's not a disability, why do you need to counsel late-deafened adults? Oh, I forgot- it's " society " bringing us down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 1999 Report Share Posted June 1, 1999 In a message dated 6/1/99 6:52:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nathan@... writes: << You and compare going deaf to the ability to fly and being a tall white guy. Does that not strike you as the least bit nuts? If it's not a disability, why do you need to counsel late-deafened adults? Oh, I forgot- it's " society " bringing us down. >> Yes and you compared genital mutilation w/parents not getting CI's for their deaf kids....All 3 of you go round and round and round....just say " UNCLE " and move on w/something else cuz its really old and has a bad smell. -Earl E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 1999 Report Share Posted June 2, 1999 Why are you ashamed Sandi? =) Mark ----Original Message Follows---- From: Sandfarms@... Reply-To: NF2_Crewonelist To: NF2_Crewonelist Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:34:04 EDT From: Sandfarms@... In a message dated 6/2/99 12:49:41 AM Central Daylight Time, mark_sarmac@... writes: > forgot who the artist and the name of the song was. > > Dead or Alive, " You Spin Me 'Round " --I'm almost ashamed I know this. :-) Sandi ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Give back to your community through " Grow to Give. " http://www.onelist.com Deadline is June 19. See homepage for details. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 1999 Report Share Posted June 2, 1999 In a message dated 6/2/99 12:49:41 AM Central Daylight Time, mark_sarmac@... writes: > forgot who the artist and the name of the song was. > > Dead or Alive, " You Spin Me 'Round " --I'm almost ashamed I know this. :-) Sandi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 1999 Report Share Posted June 2, 1999 In a message dated 6/2/99 1:49:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mark_sarmac@... writes: << I forgot who the artist and the name of the song was. >> 'Dead or Alive' was the group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 1999 Report Share Posted June 7, 1999 > > >So I'm curious now . If everyone else had blond hair, blue eyes, 6'2 " , >Caucasian, and male, and you're not, would that be considered a disability? > >Just asking, > >Mark Mark, This is too hypothetical of a question to even contemplate. It only serves to obscure the issue! What is and is not a disability is not clear cut, there is a lot of gray. What does 'disability' mean to you? Try looking at this in a different way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 1999 Report Share Posted June 17, 1999 I won't say you two ladies are old,but I don't think Stevie Wonder would have to card ya. Jimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 1999 Report Share Posted June 17, 1999 Outta curiousity Jimmy, how old are you? Mark ----Original Message Follows---- From: HandsomeJimmy@... (Jimmy ) Reply-To: NF2_Crewonelist To: NF2_Crewonelist Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:57:30 -0400 (EDT) I won't say you two ladies are old,but I don't think Stevie Wonder would have to card ya. Jimmy << Message3.txt >> _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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