Re: Aflatoxins...

[Guest guest]

Rhonda,

I think we've all read it before, so this isn't just my opinion,

number one food to stay away from is peanuts, no questions asked. I

think they are capable of being contaminated with about 30 different

molds, not all by most. As I had mentioned before we are not

supposed to eat anything that grows underground. Anything that is

picked, plucked, snapped off from it's main source starts to mold

immediately. Even though you can't see it. I strongly believe any

seeds are the same way. I haven't posted it here because it is off

topic, in a way, but one of the worst contaminated foods is ALL bird

seed. It is full of molds/mycotoxins. So I would assume that

includes sunflower seeds. Why take the chance.

It has been discussed before on how to take CSM and some will claim

that they are on Shoemaker's protocol and only take it once a day,

or a week or a month. That is not being on Dr.S's protocol. Taking

it once a day is basically useless. To me you are wasting money and

giving yourself false hope. It is prescribed 3-4 times a day for a

good reason, because there is no telling what time of the day these

toxins get dumped into the lower intestines to be recirculated. If

you have already been on his protocol for a length of times Sue

(SSR) then taking it once a day because you feel you are going into

a contaminated environment would be ok, so you don't feel the full

blown set of symptoms and it helps you to recover a little quicker.

Just my thoughts,

KC

>

> Did a google and did say it is linked to the peanut allergies. I

> wonder if doctors tell patients that and wonder if the test them

for

> mold allergies or even if you have to have mold allgergies b/c

it's

> the mycotoxins causing the severe reaction.

>

> When post were talking about protein and pumkin seeds etc., I

ordered

> 10lbs of pumpkin seeds and 10lbs of sunflower seeds and now I

wonder

> if they will stay good until I eat them all. I also ordered a

> variety of nuts not realizing they could cause me to injest

> mycotoxins. I have been having strange bloating lately and I have

> not been taking CSM daily and I can't figure out for sure the link

of

> what is causing that. Did find that something I have been eating

has

> lactose in it but I'm not sure if I'm intolerant or not and I also

> swallow many supplements and not sure if that is linked but

nothing

> much is new I'm taking but I may be taking them differently than

how

> I did when working. I do think it is from something I'm

injesting.

>

> Oh, I emailed s and question about their juices and molds

in

> them and I got NO REPLY!!! That says a lot right there. I'm

still

> drinking V8 low sodium right now. I wonder if I should take one

CSM

> daily but if so when during the day.....

>

> Rhonda

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not getting fullblown hits daily so I do not need 3-4 CSM's a day

I don't think.

Seed, nuts should not be Off Topic when if they have MOLD on them. I

spent $150 I DON'T have charging stupid Seeds and Nuts for protein

and now I'm learning they are TOXIC to me and probably bloating me

along with poisoning me. What about Hazelnut coffee I drink?? It

probably has NO hazelnuts in it anyway. I don't see how anything

here can be off topic anyhow when our health is at stake or should I

say Our Life?? Now I have a TONS of seeds and nuts that cost me a

fortune trying to EAT protein and I'm not feeding them to the birds

and I guess bird seeds kills the birds/squirrels and critters too.

They aren't dead around my house. I have squirrels as about as big

as Cats around my house that eat bird feeders ETC. They aren't dead.

I hate MOLD!! and my Bunnies aren't dead yet either from the

Hays/timothy pellets I feed them that most likely have Mold on them

too but you can believe I order online from the most reputable bunny

sites that do think about Mycotoxins on feeds. The first place I

ever hear that stupid word Mycotoxins and I hate that word.

Rhonda

> >

> > Did a google and did say it is linked to the peanut allergies. I

> > wonder if doctors tell patients that and wonder if the test them

> for

> > mold allergies or even if you have to have mold allgergies b/c

> it's

> > the mycotoxins causing the severe reaction.

> >

> > When post were talking about protein and pumkin seeds etc., I

> ordered

> > 10lbs of pumpkin seeds and 10lbs of sunflower seeds and now I

> wonder

> > if they will stay good until I eat them all. I also ordered a

> > variety of nuts not realizing they could cause me to injest

> > mycotoxins. I have been having strange bloating lately and I

have

> > not been taking CSM daily and I can't figure out for sure the

link

> of

> > what is causing that. Did find that something I have been eating

> has

> > lactose in it but I'm not sure if I'm intolerant or not and I

also

> > swallow many supplements and not sure if that is linked but

> nothing

> > much is new I'm taking but I may be taking them differently than

> how

> > I did when working. I do think it is from something I'm

> injesting.

> >

> > Oh, I emailed s and question about their juices and molds

> in

> > them and I got NO REPLY!!! That says a lot right there. I'm

> still

> > drinking V8 low sodium right now. I wonder if I should take one

> CSM

> > daily but if so when during the day.....

> >

> > Rhonda

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Rhonda,

Several things I said you took wrong or misunderstood. So let me try

and be a little clearer. When you initially start the CSM, whether

you are in a contaminated environment (which is useless at that time)

or even if you have been out several years, the initial dose for a

period of time should be 3-4 times daily. Whether it is two months,

six months or longer. If you start off once a day that's what I am

saying is useless. Once a day after the initial treatment, than that

would be ok, basically as a preventative.

As far as the seeds or peanuts that you mentioned is not off topic,

what is off topic is alllllllllll the research concerning ingestion

of contaminated food stuffs and grain. This is a whole other issue,

well documented and goes way back. Alot of information concerning

many of the foods that we eat that are contaminated, I don't know of

a website that would be able to hold all the information. If we were

to discuss all the foods that are contaminated by mold,myctoxins,

aflatoxins, etc., you most likely would not have anything on your

plate. So this is what I was saying much of the info that I receive

that discusses ingestion, not inhalation. This is the type of

information that I do not post.

Let me be clear, I'm not saying your post was off topic, it's much

of the information that I receive is off topic even though it

mentions mold and toxins. Yes, I have had several birds die from the

bird seed. And just for general information, Wild bird seed and corn

is not regulated by any industry, since they are not for human

consumption they do not have to be regulated. This information has

come to me also, so it is not just my opinion.

Just a quick note that most may not realize and I didn't either

until I started reading the informaton, if you use birdfeeders, corn

feeders etc., for animals, after a heavy rain please change them

out. Because they will start to immediately start to grow mold and

you will notice the animals will normally stop feeding. The ones

that continue to feed you may see them becoming very sluggish,

bloated and then shortly after dead. The same way a human would

react eating contaminated food, naturally in larger amounts. I've

seen this several times. I posted not too long ago in the state of

Wisconsin they are trying to stop animal lovers from feeding the

deer corn, which I am also guilty of, because of the high

concentration of aflatoxins and many others.

KC

> > >

> > > Did a google and did say it is linked to the peanut

allergies. I

> > > wonder if doctors tell patients that and wonder if the test

them

> > for

> > > mold allergies or even if you have to have mold allgergies b/c

> > it's

> > > the mycotoxins causing the severe reaction.

> > >

> > > When post were talking about protein and pumkin seeds etc., I

> > ordered

> > > 10lbs of pumpkin seeds and 10lbs of sunflower seeds and now I

> > wonder

> > > if they will stay good until I eat them all. I also ordered a

> > > variety of nuts not realizing they could cause me to injest

> > > mycotoxins. I have been having strange bloating lately and I

> have

> > > not been taking CSM daily and I can't figure out for sure the

> link

> > of

> > > what is causing that. Did find that something I have been

eating

> > has

> > > lactose in it but I'm not sure if I'm intolerant or not and I

> also

> > > swallow many supplements and not sure if that is linked but

> > nothing

> > > much is new I'm taking but I may be taking them differently

than

> > how

> > > I did when working. I do think it is from something I'm

> > injesting.

> > >

> > > Oh, I emailed s and question about their juices and

molds

> > in

> > > them and I got NO REPLY!!! That says a lot right there. I'm

> > still

> > > drinking V8 low sodium right now. I wonder if I should take

one

> > CSM

> > > daily but if so when during the day.....

> > >

> > > Rhonda

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Rhonda,

From what I have heard, the US food supply is one of the safest in the world

as far as mycotoxins are concerned. The reason you often read in insurance

industry, ACOEM, AAAAI pamphlets, magazines, PR, etc. that mycotoxins in

people come from food is that the fact that people are often getting

mycotoxins from their home or work environments, through inhalation or

dermal (skin) absorbtion is a fact that the business community is clearly

trying to suppress.

I have spoken with some of the leading scientists who work with mycotoxins

in food and the ones I have spoken with agree that mycotoxins in the indoor

environment pose a growing problem. Ochratoxin in particular seems to be

present in many situations and its a dangerous neurotoxin.

You can get blood tests for mycotoxins but they will not tell you how you

are getting them into your body. In parts of Europe aflatoxin and ochratoxin

is common in blood but not here. As far as I know. I think they are pretty

good at keeping it out of the food supply.

In any case, when i get exposure, I can usually tell where it came from and

for me it is almost always a situation where I went somewhere I shouldn't

have or did something I shouldn't have done. For example, a while ago I

spent an afternoon in an old house with (I later discovered) mold in one of

the rooms. By the time I saw that mold I had already been there for a while.

Later that day I started getting sick - headaches, pain in chest,

kidney/liver, etc. I wasn't feeling okay for days. That exposure must have

been 100% inhalational.. And I didn't smell ANYTHING.

[Guest guest]

You say you didn't smell anything or see anything but got sick. This

is why I think it is sooo very hard to be sure you are not moving into

a moldy house, taking a job in moldy environment. Although people

point to unreliability of culturing mold, it gives at least one more

clue as to <<possible>> problem in place that you cannot see. However

if noone else does it but me, it's okay. Not trying to convince

anyone.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> In> Later that day I started getting sick - headaches, pain in chest,

> kidney/liver, etc. I wasn't feeling okay for days. That exposure

must have

> been 100% inhalational.. And I didn't smell ANYTHING.

>

[Guest guest]

On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 15:57:14 -0000, you wrote:

>You say you didn't smell anything or see anything but got sick. This

>is why I think it is sooo very hard to be sure you are not moving into

>a moldy house, taking a job in moldy environment. Although people

>point to unreliability of culturing mold, it gives at least one more

>clue as to <<possible>> problem in place that you cannot see. However

>if noone else does it but me, it's okay. Not trying to convince

>anyone.

>

My trailer had no detectable odor at all.

But the entire 28' long, 8' wide wood floor is covered with black mold

(cladosporim) the same consistency you see in the photos at the link

below.

http://geocities.com/antares40_40/trailer.html

It's like carbon monoxide, can't smell it at all, don't feel anything

immediately, it just kind of creeps up on you till you realize your

too sick and fatigued to even get up.

One thing though, the shower curtain would always have a black

substance growing on it no mater how often I cleaned it.

[Guest guest]

I can't just walk in a room and tell it's a problem for me. It

takes awhile. The telltale sign is that I loose strength and get

more and more fatigued.

I never found any visible mold anywhere. However fresh fruit and

similar things didn't last long on the counter either, spoiled

quickly.

--- In , Christ <antares@...>

wrote:

> It's like carbon monoxide, can't smell it at all, don't feel

anything

> immediately, it just kind of creeps up on you till you realize your

> too sick and fatigued to even get up.

>

> One thing though, the shower curtain would always have a black

> substance growing on it no mater how often I cleaned it.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

So those bags of black oil sunflower seeds and bags of ear corn I buy

for the wildlife is probably killig them? People also put out Molded

breads etc for the wildlife and it is odd they think the animals can

eat them but they surely would not eat them theirselves. I actually in

the old days would throw out molded breads. How gross....and I've heard

people in the past say " it won't hurt them " How the heck do they know

that...

These weather fronts are making me very sick....Rhonda

--- In , " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2c@...>

wrote:

>

> Rhonda,

>

> Several things I said you took wrong or misunderstood.

[Guest guest]

I can usually detect if a place has something chemicals or mold but

not 100 percent of the time. Even where ever I live if I am out a for

4 or 5 hours it may take time for me to adjust when I return. Some

people with MCS can't smell anything at all, so the nose isn't

always involved with MCS. I guess it is harder to protect themselves

if their nose doesn't warn them against dangers.

> >

> > In> Later that day I started getting sick - headaches, pain in

chest,

> > kidney/liver, etc. I wasn't feeling okay for days. That exposure

> must have

> > been 100% inhalational.. And I didn't smell ANYTHING.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The US food supply is definately one of the safest in the world, so

we are told. It is well regulated, but the USDA are still having to

deal with many issues and getting them under control concerning

mycotoxins in the food chain. Your cereals are one of the worst and

this is well known.

The USDA do have guidelines as far as the amount of toxins ALLOWED

in our food for what they consider safe. Safe for who? In the last

couple of years our farmers have been struggling with the spread of

rust fungus in their crops including soy. I'm sure they do their

best to keep this out of the food chain but it will never be 100%.

It is a constant struggle to eliminate fungi/mycotoxins within the

industry using many different types of fungicides, where some of

this problem may stem from because of mutation and resistance.

The ingestion of mycotoxins and the results of have been documented

for many, many years, not only in humans but farm animals. Yes,

aflatoxins and ochratoxins maybe the main ones that are observed,

but there are hundreds of others if not thousands.

With inhalation if this is the primary exposure, you are also

ingesting them along with dermal exposure. The answers or results

that you receive concerning ingestion or contamined foods would be

no different than if you are asking the same questions concerning

inhalation within our living or work environment. It all depends on

who you are speaking to. Their conflict of intersts, who they

represent and who is funding their study or decisions. Just like

anything else with this issue the back grounds have to be

investigated and most of the times that is where you will find the

true answers and the reasoning behind their response. Sorry to say

but that is a fact, in ALL industry. Follow the money.

" In parts of Europe aflatoxin and ochratoxin

> is common in blood but not here. As far as I know. I think they

are pretty good at keeping it out of the food supply. "

I do believe agencies do their best in keeping this out of our food

supply. But we do have a problem here and I don't think it can be

avoided. Just look into your cancer community, like some of us have,

and start asking questions as far as levels of ochratoxins found in

the blood stream. I did this years ago with the response, " Oh yes,

we do see elevated levels. " Why? No response. Was it through

inhalation or ingestions? I don't know if this really matters, the

point is it was there in many patients. Is this also the main reason

for much of the kidney and liver diseases/cancers? I believe so.

Just like several years ago when you " veggie " burgers came out, made

of pure fungi. Fusarium. This has been approved in Europe for many

years and considered safe by the manufacturer and other agencies

without further investigations. Where did this research come from?

The producer. According to the manufacturer all dangerous mycotoxins

that was produced by the fusarium (mold) was removed. Yeah right.

Like I believe this. It was finally accepted in the US and

considered safe until many reports came to the forefront that people

were getting sick. I would think those who have hypersensitivity to

these toxins it would put them six feet under. Not until the

complaints came to light was this product investigated by other

authorities and didn't take the word of the manufacturer did they

consider it unsafe. I know they are in the food store, but I have

not had a chance to read what is on the packaging and do a little

research, just like anything else that would take time.

Another example, the milk that the farmer himself released a warning

to the proper authorities and had it removed from the shelf. (story

posted here several months back.) Loaded with mycotoxins, but it

still got by the authorities that were supposed to be inspecting

these products. The farmer lost millions of dollars, but he did the

right thing. How often does this happen and we are not aware of? We

were lucky this time, that gentlemen had a conscience.

So it all boils down who you speak to, who they represent and what

their special interests are.

KC

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Rhonda,

>

> From what I have heard, the US food supply is one of the safest in

the world

> as far as mycotoxins are concerned. The reason you often read in

insurance

> industry, ACOEM, AAAAI pamphlets, magazines, PR, etc. that

mycotoxins in

> people come from food is that the fact that people are often

getting

> mycotoxins from their home or work environments, through

inhalation or

> dermal (skin) absorbtion is a fact that the business community is

clearly

> trying to suppress.

>

> I have spoken with some of the leading scientists who work with

mycotoxins

> in food and the ones I have spoken with agree that mycotoxins in

the indoor

> environment pose a growing problem. Ochratoxin in particular seems

to be

> present in many situations and its a dangerous neurotoxin.

>

> You can get blood tests for mycotoxins but they will not tell you

how you

> are getting them into your body. In parts of Europe aflatoxin and

ochratoxin

> is common in blood but not here. As far as I know. I think they

are pretty

> good at keeping it out of the food supply.

>

> In any case, when i get exposure, I can usually tell where it came

from and

> for me it is almost always a situation where I went somewhere I

shouldn't

> have or did something I shouldn't have done. For example, a while

ago I

> spent an afternoon in an old house with (I later discovered) mold

in one of

> the rooms. By the time I saw that mold I had already been there

for a while.

> Later that day I started getting sick - headaches, pain in chest,

> kidney/liver, etc. I wasn't feeling okay for days. That exposure

must have

> been 100% inhalational.. And I didn't smell ANYTHING.

>

>

>