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I just got my CC results back.

Cortisol Reference Range

7 am 28 13 - 24

11am 12 5 - 10

4 pm 11 3 - 8

Midnight 7 1 - 4

fTSH 55 26 - 85

fT4 .28 .17-.42

fT3 .38 .28 - 1.10

TPO negative

E2 (Estradiol) 14 5 - 13

P1 (Progesterone) 353 100 - 300

TTF (Free Testosterone) 12 8 - 20

DHEA 7 3 - 10

When I took the test, I was on the following supplements. On the day of the

test, I took them immediately after each saliva sample. Normally, I take them

sublingually, but I did not take any sublingual supplements from 6 pm the night

before until after the test. I had been on these levels for two months

preceding the test.

Cortisol: 17-1/2. 5 - 5 - 5 - 2-1/2

Armour Thyroid: 2-1/2 1 - 1- 1/2

DHEA: 25 mg

Pregnenolone: 25 mg

What changes should I make???

It looks like I should try increasing the Armour.

Should I decrease the cortisol? If so, when and how much? Should I leave it

where it is while increasing the Armour? I might try eliminating the evening

dose to see if that helps sleep.

Should I cut the pregnenolone in half? Or should I leave it where it is?

The DHEA looks about right.

My present symptoms: I am feeling stressed, easily upset and triggered. Low

levels of patience or tolerance for stress. Temperatures are somewhat low

(rarely above 98.0) and somewhat variable.

Here are the comments that came in the interpretation section of the cortisol

report: " Noon value is elevated indicating a stress response or rebound effect

often associated with glucose counter regulation process. Afternoon value is

elevated indicating a stress response often associated with glucose counter

regulation process. Midnight value is elevated suggesting a lack of sensitivity

to suppression at the pituitary-hypothalamic-axis. This condition is usually

associated with a tendency to endogenous depression, and REM sleep disruptions.

Phosphorylated serine derivatives are reported to help optimize HPA

responsiveness.... Elevated cortisol levels indicate increased ACTH stimulus.

When this elevation is coupled with normal DHEA levels, then a divergence in

steroid output has occurred. Pregnenolone, the precursor, is preferentially

shunted into the cortisol pathway as a response to chronic stress.

Inappropriately elevated cortisol to DHEAS ratio exists. Anabolic enhancement

suggested: DHEA or Pregnenolone augmentation. "

Thanks.

Zoe

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I thought you were supposed to stop the cortisol

before taking the test???

SAMMIE

--- Zoe & wrote:

> I just got my CC results back.

>

> Cortisol Reference

> Range

> 7 am 28 13 - 24

> 11am 12 5 - 10

> 4 pm 11 3 - 8

> Midnight 7 1 - 4

>

>

>

> fTSH 55 26 - 85

> fT4 .28 .17-.42

> fT3 .38 .28 -

> 1.10

> TPO negative

>

>

> E2 (Estradiol) 14 5 - 13

> P1 (Progesterone) 353 100 - 300

> TTF (Free Testosterone) 12 8 - 20

> DHEA 7 3

> - 10

>

>

> When I took the test, I was on the following

> supplements. On the day of the test, I took them

> immediately after each saliva sample. Normally, I

> take them sublingually, but I did not take any

> sublingual supplements from 6 pm the night before

> until after the test. I had been on these levels

> for two months preceding the test.

>

> Cortisol: 17-1/2. 5 - 5 - 5 - 2-1/2

> Armour Thyroid: 2-1/2 1 - 1- 1/2

> DHEA: 25 mg

> Pregnenolone: 25 mg

>

> What changes should I make???

>

> It looks like I should try increasing the Armour.

> Should I decrease the cortisol? If so, when and how

> much? Should I leave it where it is while increasing

> the Armour? I might try eliminating the evening

> dose to see if that helps sleep.

> Should I cut the pregnenolone in half? Or should I

> leave it where it is?

> The DHEA looks about right.

>

> My present symptoms: I am feeling stressed, easily

> upset and triggered. Low levels of patience or

> tolerance for stress. Temperatures are somewhat low

> (rarely above 98.0) and somewhat variable.

>

> Here are the comments that came in the

> interpretation section of the cortisol report:

> " Noon value is elevated indicating a stress response

> or rebound effect often associated with glucose

> counter regulation process. Afternoon value is

> elevated indicating a stress response often

> associated with glucose counter regulation process.

> Midnight value is elevated suggesting a lack of

> sensitivity to suppression at the

> pituitary-hypothalamic-axis. This condition is

> usually associated with a tendency to endogenous

> depression, and REM sleep disruptions.

> Phosphorylated serine derivatives are reported to

> help optimize HPA responsiveness.... Elevated

> cortisol levels indicate increased ACTH stimulus.

> When this elevation is coupled with normal DHEA

> levels, then a divergence in steroid output has

> occurred. Pregnenolone, the precursor, is

> preferentially shunted into the cortisol pathway as

> a response to chronic stress. Inappropriately

> elevated cortisol to DHEAS ratio exists. Anabolic

> enhancement suggested: DHEA or Pregnenolone

> augmentation. "

>

> Thanks.

> Zoe

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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Since you were taking HC already, I have no idea how to interpret that.

You do need more Armour, though.

Deborah

Zoe & wrote:

> I just got my CC results back.

>

> Cortisol Reference Range

> 7 am 28 13 - 24

> 11am 12 5 - 10

> 4 pm 11 3 - 8

> Midnight 7 1 - 4

>

> fTSH 55 26 - 85

> fT4 .28 .17-.42

> fT3 .38 .28 - 1.10

> TPO negative

>

> E2 (Estradiol) 14 5 - 13

> P1 (Progesterone) 353 100 - 300

> TTF (Free Testosterone) 12 8 - 20

> DHEA 7 3 - 10

>

> When I took the test, I was on the following supplements. On the day

> of the test, I took them immediately after each saliva sample.

> Normally, I take them sublingually, but I did not take any sublingual

> supplements from 6 pm the night before until after the test. I had

> been on these levels for two months preceding the test.

>

> Cortisol: 17-1/2. 5 - 5 - 5 - 2-1/2

> Armour Thyroid: 2-1/2 1 - 1- 1/2

> DHEA: 25 mg

> Pregnenolone: 25 mg

>

> What changes should I make???

>

> It looks like I should try increasing the Armour.

> Should I decrease the cortisol? If so, when and how much? Should I

> leave it where it is while increasing the Armour? I might try

> eliminating the evening dose to see if that helps sleep.

> Should I cut the pregnenolone in half? Or should I leave it where it is?

> The DHEA looks about right.

>

> My present symptoms: I am feeling stressed, easily upset and

> triggered. Low levels of patience or tolerance for stress.

> Temperatures are somewhat low (rarely above 98.0) and somewhat variable.

>

>

>

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Sammie, before I took the test, I asked Val whether I should stop any

supplements. This was her reply: " No stopping before however the day of the

saliva draws you should just swallow your meds instead of sublingual. " Zoe

I thought you were supposed to stop the cortisol

before taking the test???

SAMMIE

--- Zoe & wrote:

> I just got my CC results back.

>

> Cortisol Reference

> Range

> 7 am 28 13 - 24

> 11am 12 5 - 10

> 4 pm 11 3 - 8

> Midnight 7 1 - 4

>

>

>

> fTSH 55 26 - 85

> fT4 .28 .17-.42

> fT3 .38 .28 -

> 1.10

> TPO negative

>

>

> E2 (Estradiol) 14 5 - 13

> P1 (Progesterone) 353 100 - 300

> TTF (Free Testosterone) 12 8 - 20

> DHEA 7 3

> - 10

>

>

> When I took the test, I was on the following

> supplements. On the day of the test, I took them

> immediately after each saliva sample. Normally, I

> take them sublingually, but I did not take any

> sublingual supplements from 6 pm the night before

> until after the test. I had been on these levels

> for two months preceding the test.

>

> Cortisol: 17-1/2. 5 - 5 - 5 - 2-1/2

> Armour Thyroid: 2-1/2 1 - 1- 1/2

> DHEA: 25 mg

> Pregnenolone: 25 mg

>

> What changes should I make???

>

> It looks like I should try increasing the Armour.

> Should I decrease the cortisol? If so, when and how

> much? Should I leave it where it is while increasing

> the Armour? I might try eliminating the evening

> dose to see if that helps sleep.

> Should I cut the pregnenolone in half? Or should I

> leave it where it is?

> The DHEA looks about right.

>

> My present symptoms: I am feeling stressed, easily

> upset and triggered. Low levels of patience or

> tolerance for stress. Temperatures are somewhat low

> (rarely above 98.0) and somewhat variable.

>

> Here are the comments that came in the

> interpretation section of the cortisol report:

> " Noon value is elevated indicating a stress response

> or rebound effect often associated with glucose

> counter regulation process. Afternoon value is

> elevated indicating a stress response often

> associated with glucose counter regulation process.

> Midnight value is elevated suggesting a lack of

> sensitivity to suppression at the

> pituitary-hypothalamic-axis. This condition is

> usually associated with a tendency to endogenous

> depression, and REM sleep disruptions.

> Phosphorylated serine derivatives are reported to

> help optimize HPA responsiveness.... Elevated

> cortisol levels indicate increased ACTH stimulus.

> When this elevation is coupled with normal DHEA

> levels, then a divergence in steroid output has

> occurred. Pregnenolone, the precursor, is

> preferentially shunted into the cortisol pathway as

> a response to chronic stress. Inappropriately

> elevated cortisol to DHEAS ratio exists. Anabolic

> enhancement suggested: DHEA or Pregnenolone

> augmentation. "

>

> Thanks.

> Zoe

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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Thanks, Deborah, for taking the time to reply! I'm not sure how to

interpret the CC results either....

Last night, I eliminated my nighttime dose (2-1/2) of cortisol, and

this morning I added 1/4 grain Armour. I think I'll stay at that

for a couple weeks and see how I feel.

Zoe

>

> Since you were taking HC already, I have no idea how to interpret

that.

> You do need more Armour, though.

>

> Deborah

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The clue there is in the word " sublingual " That would mean Val was

referring to armour. I was told by an eminent doc to stop cortisol

replacement 2 days before any testing but I think others here have

said 2 weeks

Lynda

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> Sammie, before I took the test, I asked Val whether I should stop

> any supplements. This was her reply: " No stopping before however

> the day of the saliva draws you should just swallow your meds

> instead of sublingual. " Zoe

>

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I've heard two weeks too. But I worry about that

because wouldn't you feel horrible for two weeks prior

to the test? I mean, it would make me not want to do

the test!!

SAMMIE

--- Lynda wrote:

> The clue there is in the word " sublingual " That

> would mean Val was

> referring to armour. I was told by an eminent doc

> to stop cortisol

> replacement 2 days before any testing but I think

> others here have

> said 2 weeks

> Lynda

>

> Re: Canary Club Results -

> Zoe

>

>

> > Sammie, before I took the test, I asked Val

> whether I should stop

> > any supplements. This was her reply: " No

> stopping before however

> > the day of the saliva draws you should just

> swallow your meds

> > instead of sublingual. " Zoe

> >

>

>

>

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Actually I think if you need adrenal support it would be downright

dangerous to stop taking it for 2 weeks

Lynda

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> I've heard two weeks too. But I worry about that

> because wouldn't you feel horrible for two weeks prior

> to the test? I mean, it would make me not want to do

> the test!!

>

>

> SAMMIE

>

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I know, but does it skew the tests if you take it???

SAMMIE

--- Lynda wrote:

> Actually I think if you need adrenal support it

> would be downright

> dangerous to stop taking it for 2 weeks

> Lynda

>

> Re: Canary Club Results -

> Zoe

>

>

> > I've heard two weeks too. But I worry about that

> > because wouldn't you feel horrible for two weeks

> prior

> > to the test? I mean, it would make me not want to

> do

> > the test!!

> >

> >

> > SAMMIE

> >

>

>

>

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Well, Dr Peatfield told me to stop taking it for 2 days. I think he

should know.

Lynda

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>I know, but does it skew the tests if you take it???

>

>

> SAMMIE

>

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who is dr. peatfield?

--- Lynda wrote:

> Well, Dr Peatfield told me to stop taking it for 2

> days. I think he

> should know.

> Lynda

>

> Re: Canary Club Results -

> Zoe

>

>

> >I know, but does it skew the tests if you take

> it???

> >

> >

> > SAMMIE

> >

>

>

>

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Barry Durant-Peatfield, wrote a book on thyroid/adrenals. He was an

eminent doc here in the UK, now retired.

Lynda

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> who is dr. peatfield?

>

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I take the HC sublingually, too. I've tried it the other way, but it just

doesn't work well for me.

So, what I heard was that she was telling me to stop ALL my sublinguals and take

them orally only: Armour, HC, Pregnenolone, and DHEA.

Supposedly, HC clears from the body relatively quickly, in a few hours. The T3

does, too. I don't know about the other things.

I also don't know how long hormones linger in the mouth cells if using

sublingual absorption.

To abruptly stop my HC for two weeks did not seem like a good idea. Even

abruptly stopping it for 24 hours would be difficult for me.

Zoe

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> Sammie, before I took the test, I asked Val whether I should stop

> any supplements. This was her reply: " No stopping before however

> the day of the saliva draws you should just swallow your meds

> instead of sublingual. " Zoe

>

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Ditto Zoe, there is no way I could just stop my HC for testing, even for a

day, much less 2 weeks. I would crash terribly. I'm going to do CC next

month, and IMO, if HC clears from your system in 4 hours, I'm going to fill

the tube just before I'm ready for my next dose.

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> Supposedly, HC clears from the body relatively quickly, in a few hours.

The T3 does, too. I don't know about the other things.

>

> I also don't know how long hormones linger in the mouth cells if using

sublingual absorption.

>

> To abruptly stop my HC for two weeks did not seem like a good idea. Even

abruptly stopping it for 24 hours would be difficult for me.

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The problem with adrenal testing while supplementing cortisol is that we

don't know how much, if any, our own adrenals are suppressed. That

being the case, testing adrenal function while consuming cortisol or

even within two weeks of doing so will be unreadable. It takes about

two weeks for adrenal function to return, and may be suppressed to some

degree for longer than that.

Deborah

Ives wrote:

> Ditto Zoe, there is no way I could just stop my HC for testing, even for a

> day, much less 2 weeks. I would crash terribly. I'm going to do CC next

> month, and IMO, if HC clears from your system in 4 hours, I'm going to

> fill

> the tube just before I'm ready for my next dose.

>

>

>

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Do you advice against the testing as it would be a waste of money otherwise?

SAMMIE

Deborah Jacques wrote:

The problem with adrenal testing while supplementing cortisol is that

we

don't know how much, if any, our own adrenals are suppressed. That

being the case, testing adrenal function while consuming cortisol or

even within two weeks of doing so will be unreadable. It takes about

two weeks for adrenal function to return, and may be suppressed to some

degree for longer than that.

Deborah

Ives wrote:

> Ditto Zoe, there is no way I could just stop my HC for testing, even for a

> day, much less 2 weeks. I would crash terribly. I'm going to do CC next

> month, and IMO, if HC clears from your system in 4 hours, I'm going to

> fill

> the tube just before I'm ready for my next dose.

>

>

>

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If you need the HC and aren't going to stop it, I doubt I'd bother with

testing at this point. CC is still a good deal though, for the thyroid

& sex hormones alone, even!

Deborha

Sammie Baker wrote:

> Do you advice against the testing as it would be a waste of money

> otherwise?

>

>

> SAMMIE

>

> Deborah Jacques <DeborahSu@... <mailto:DeborahSu%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

> The problem with adrenal testing while supplementing cortisol is that we

> don't know how much, if any, our own adrenals are suppressed. That

> being the case, testing adrenal function while consuming cortisol or

> even within two weeks of doing so will be unreadable. It takes about

> two weeks for adrenal function to return, and may be suppressed to some

> degree for longer than that.

>

>

>

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--- I was just thinking about the HC clearing from your system....A

half life of four hours means that after four hours there will be half

the amount of the HC in your system. Or has HC got less of a half life

than that? Can anyone advise?

;)

In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " Ives "

wrote:

>

> Ditto Zoe, there is no way I could just stop my HC for testing, even

for a

> day, much less 2 weeks. I would crash terribly. I'm going to do CC

next

> month, and IMO, if HC clears from your system in 4 hours, I'm going

to fill

> the tube just before I'm ready for my next dose.

>

> Best,

>

> Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

> Curly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com

>

> ~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then

> you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~

> ~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for the

> purpose of storing dead batteries.~

>

> > Supposedly, HC clears from the body relatively quickly, in a few

hours.

> The T3 does, too. I don't know about the other things.

> >

> > I also don't know how long hormones linger in the mouth cells if using

> sublingual absorption.

> >

> > To abruptly stop my HC for two weeks did not seem like a good

idea. Even

> abruptly stopping it for 24 hours would be difficult for me.

>

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, I'm reposting my CC results, which I got back while you were away.

Could you please take a look at them and let me know what you think I should do

next?

Since getting the results back, I cut the pregnenolone in half and eliminated

the evening dose of HC. I tried increasing the Armour by 1/4, but got so

agitated that I went back to my regular 2-1/2.

My temps are low (about 97.0, 3hours after I get up, reaching a maximum of 98.0

in the late afternoon).

Thanks!

Zoe

Canary Club Results - Zoe

I just got my CC results back.

Cortisol Reference Range

7 am 28 13 - 24

11am 12 5 - 10

4 pm 11 3 - 8

Midnight 7 1 - 4

fTSH 55 26 - 85

fT4 .28 .17-.42

fT3 .38 .28 - 1.10

TPO negative

E2 (Estradiol) 14 5 - 13

P1 (Progesterone) 353 100 - 300

TTF (Free Testosterone) 12 8 - 20

DHEA 7 3 - 10

When I took the test, I was on the following supplements. On the day of the

test, I took them immediately after each saliva sample. Normally, I take them

sublingually, but I did not take any sublingual supplements from 6 pm the night

before until after the test. I had been on these levels for two months

preceding the test.

Cortisol: 17-1/2. 5 - 5 - 5 - 2-1/2

Armour Thyroid: 2-1/2 1 - 1- 1/2

DHEA: 25 mg

Pregnenolone: 25 mg

What changes should I make???

It looks like I should try increasing the Armour.

Should I decrease the cortisol? If so, when and how much? Should I leave it

where it is while increasing the Armour? I might try eliminating the evening

dose to see if that helps sleep.

Should I cut the pregnenolone in half? Or should I leave it where it is?

The DHEA looks about right.

My present symptoms: I am feeling stressed, easily upset and triggered. Low

levels of patience or tolerance for stress. Temperatures are somewhat low

(rarely above 98.0) and somewhat variable.

Here are the comments that came in the interpretation section of the cortisol

report: " Noon value is elevated indicating a stress response or rebound effect

often associated with glucose counter regulation process. Afternoon value is

elevated indicating a stress response often associated with glucose counter

regulation process. Midnight value is elevated suggesting a lack of sensitivity

to suppression at the pituitary-hypothalamic-axis. This condition is usually

associated with a tendency to endogenous depression, and REM sleep disruptions.

Phosphorylated serine derivatives are reported to help optimize HPA

responsiveness.... Elevated cortisol levels indicate increased ACTH stimulus.

When this elevation is coupled with normal DHEA levels, then a divergence in

steroid output has occurred. Pregnenolone, the precursor, is preferentially

shunted into the cortisol pathway as a response to chronic stress.

Inappropriately elevated cortisol to DHEAS ratio exists. Anabolic enhancement

suggested: DHEA or Pregnenolone augmentation. "

Thanks.

Zoe

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If you were taking HC when you did the testing you cannot rely on the

results to adjust dosage. You are still quite hypothyroid, and that is

what I would be working on first. Your adrenals will not stay healthy

even if they are improved until you are no longer hypo. I like to see

the T3 at 80 or higher and at least mid range for the T4, preferably higher.

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One moe thing I have to add, my own CC labs for cortiosl showed two

levels over range on 20MG HC and I still needed MORE. This is hwy it is

useless to test the cortisol levels while on meds, they are not accurate.

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Thank you very much, .

What do you mean by " two levels over range " ? How do I tell if I need more?

At this point, my temperatures are variable during the day (97.0 - 98.0) but

pretty constant day-to-day.

Zoe

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One moe thing I have to add, my own CC labs for cortiosl showed two

levels over range on 20MG HC and I still needed MORE. This is hwy it is

useless to test the cortisol levels while on meds, they are not accurate.

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I think the three times daily average temps is the best way to monitor

it. If they are staying within .02 degrees on the daily averages, your

Cortisol is fine. Fluctuating more than that means you need more.

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When do you recommend stopping the adrenal meds - is 2 days sufficient? For

many this will be difficult to do, but obviously we all want accurate labs.

Also, is Isocort the same relative to HC effecting the labs? Or do we not need

to stop Isocort before taking the labs?

SAMMIE

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One moe thing I have to add, my own CC labs for cortiosl showed two

levels over range on 20MG HC and I still needed MORE. This is hwy it is

useless to test the cortisol levels while on meds, they are not accurate.

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ANY adrenal meds must be stopped for at least 2 weeks for the tests to

be accurate. This is to give your adrenals time to start up production

again.

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