Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 --Its impossible to live in the future but it isnt impossible to wait to be happy in the future. I guess we do when we do.. If there is no choice no decision. *****There ARE choices and decisions. Clearly. Choice happens. It arises out of a complex constellation of factors over which there is no control. Also I wonder if there is a choice to take drugs or not?. *****The choice to take or not take a drug will be determined by the innate conditioning-in-the-moment. It is really that simple. I would suggest Tami read PScyhiatry Ultimate Betrayal to get the cons on drugs but TAMi, I dont think you will read it. *****In my opinion, the sane when of looking at this is to realize that Tami will do what Tami will do. It isn't your business. If you feel the need, present your case, with affection and kindness, and let the chips fall where they may. In fact I am almost hundred per cent sure you wont. . And yet Im writing it again here for the hundredth time. Because even though I am not a scientologist I do believe drugs are over prescribed.. *****That conclusion ( " over prescribed " ) requires that you have a notion of what " appropriately prescribed " is. Do you? Where is the dividing line between " over " and " appropriately " prescribed? Tami I guess you know this already but since you have made the choice to take ritalin someday you will not have a choice because it is an addictive drug like Xanax. Although people i suppose have gotten off these drugs.. it is then harder the longer you take them. BEcause the body will have to go through a withdrawl My friend went through Xanax withdrawl and is now on lexapro. but i dont know what the difference is really. I guess its up to you now or is it and what about later. The choice will be harder later. Just some thoughts. Some stories. *****You might like to consider why there is the concern for Tami. Do you think she is not capable of guiding her life? Or is it a distraction for you? I think my son maybe on some thing as well but such is life on this planet i guess there are reasons for everything. ANd i have to get out of other peoples business. *****If you do that, then you have to be in YOUR business. Are you ready for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Well too be honest i think i write on here often because i dont want to be in my business and i should be doing the work on all my stressful beliefs i still believe.. ITs so true.. I like to be in TAmis business.. occasionally i get in my sons business and they hate it..get mad and dont listen.. so tami is better.. actually. ITs a good diversion.. thank you Tami. TAmi.. You should have your dad write my sons. HAve you read your dads book yet? I think you should you might understand him better but there are not suppose to be any shoulds.. so im told. love, roslyn > > --Its impossible to live in the future but it isnt impossible > > to wait to be happy in the future. > > I guess we do when we do.. If there is no choice no decision. > > > *****There ARE choices and decisions. Clearly. Choice happens. It > arises out of a complex constellation of factors over which there is > no control. > > > Also I wonder if there is a choice to take drugs or not?. > > > *****The choice to take or not take a drug will be determined by the > innate conditioning-in-the-moment. It is really that simple. > > > I would suggest Tami read PScyhiatry Ultimate Betrayal to get the cons > on drugs but TAMi, I dont think you will read it. > > > *****In my opinion, the sane when of looking at this is to realize > that Tami will do what Tami will do. It isn't your business. If you > feel the need, present your case, with affection and kindness, and > let the chips fall where they may. > > > In fact I am almost hundred per cent sure you wont. . And yet Im > writing it again here for the hundredth time. Because even though I > am not a scientologist I do believe drugs are over prescribed.. > > > *****That conclusion ( " over prescribed " ) requires that you have a > notion of what " appropriately prescribed " is. Do you? Where is the > dividing line between " over " and " appropriately " prescribed? > > > Tami I guess you know this already but since you have made the choice > to take ritalin someday you will not have a choice because it is > an addictive drug like Xanax. Although people i suppose have gotten > off these drugs.. it is then harder the longer you take them. BEcause > the body will have to go through a withdrawl My friend went through > Xanax withdrawl and is now on lexapro. but i dont know what the > difference is really. I guess its up to you now or is it and what > about later. The choice will be harder later. Just some > thoughts. Some stories. > > > *****You might like to consider why there is the concern for Tami. > Do you think she is not capable of guiding her life? Or is it a > distraction for you? > > > I think my son maybe on some thing as well but such is life > on this planet i guess there are reasons for everything. > ANd i have to get out of other peoples business. > > > *****If you do that, then you have to be in YOUR business. Are you > ready for that? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Happy Passover to you as well.. My son sent me a website page on a new move called When Do We Eat? IT is a comedy on passover and i can hardly wait to see it.. Sounds really funny. One son is an orthodox jew, one is a drug addict, one is autistic The daughter is a lesbian and the other is a prostitute and the father is given ecstacy by the son before the Seder. I think it will be so funny. .. - You might be able to watch the trailer on the website. ITs funny.. love, roslyn -- In Loving-what-is , Tami wrote: > > R > > I have NE fear to be addicted to retalin as long as I have > The story that it would do me good. > I took it, and I feel: WOW, if I took it back in high school > I might not need to copy in the final exam cause I could actually study... > > Tomorrow I see my psychiatrist (complicated name) > I am going to ask him to give me retalin I look forward to be addicted > > Happy Passover > T > > > Tami I guess you know this already but since you have made the choice > to take ritalin someday you will not have a choice because it is > an addictive drug like Xanax. Although people i suppose have gotten > off these drugs.. it is then harder the longer you take them. BEcause > the body will have to go through a withdrawl My friend went through > Xanax withdrawl and is now on lexapro. but i dont know what the > difference is really. I guess its up to you now or is it and what > about later. The choice will be harder later. Just some > thoughts. Some stories. > > > *****You might like to consider why there is the concern for Tami. > Do you think she is not capable of guiding her life? Or is it a > distraction for you? > > > I think my son maybe on some thing as well but such is life > on this planet i guess there are reasons for everything. > ANd i have to get out of other peoples business. > > > *****If you do that, then you have to be in YOUR business. Are you > ready for that? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Well too be honest i think i write on here often because i dont want to be in my business *****Why not? and i should be doing the work on all my stressful beliefs i still believe.. ITs so true.. *****You 'should be doing' EXACTLY what you are doing. THAT is not arguing with reality. Right now there is a split: what you have is a THOUGHT that says " I sould be doing the work. " And, at the same time what reality demonstrates is that at this moment you are NOT doing the work. It's ok, it's really ok. You'll do The Work when it is time, and not a moment before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Why not?.. be in my business.. Im unemployed and feel somewhat guilty for not looking for work yet. I dont want to work and speaking of work. I am avoiding doing the work.. but since you said Ill do the work when its time.. thats good.. Ill also get a job when it is time. Thank you i wont beat myself up for that then. Happy being at home keying emails, I wish I was funny like tami and mary but oh well.. its not my choice, If anyone wants a laugh I think the trailer for When Do we EAt is funny.. love, roslyn > > Well too be honest i think i write on here often because i dont want > to be in my business > > > *****Why not? > > > and i should be doing the work on all my stressful beliefs i still > believe.. ITs so true.. > > > *****You 'should be doing' EXACTLY what you are doing. THAT is not > arguing with reality. Right now there is a split: what you have is a > THOUGHT that says " I sould be doing the work. " And, at the same time > what reality demonstrates is that at this moment you are NOT doing the > work. It's ok, it's really ok. You'll do The Work when it is time, > and not a moment before. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Sometimes you are funny, and mostly I think of you as rather endearing, honest, blunt, vulnerable,caring and just perfectly yourself. Oh, and full of quotes. Do you keep volumes beside your computer? ;-) (snip_ I wish I was funny like tami and > mary but oh well.. its not my choice, >(snip) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Why not?.. be in my business.. Im unemployed and feel somewhat guilty for not looking for work yet. I dont want to work *****Who WANTS to work??!! " Work " is a four-letter word to most people (this writer excepted as he genuinely enjoys teaching and spending time with people). Unless there is a passion driving one to do some form of work, work is just that: work! :-))) Guilt is a feeling. Underlying it are beliefs, and underneath those are Core Beliefs. If the sensation of guilt is unpleasant, you may be moved to explore, inquire, discover what are the beliefs which are driving the sense of guilt over not working. And I'm not suggesting that the guilt is not well-placed: if you are a mommy with two kids and by not working you're not feeding or clothing your children, then it seems guilt is a sound motivator (the kids are DEPENDENT on you). But if it is only about you, then, where is the guilt? Who are you letting down by not working? and speaking of work. I am avoiding doing the work.. but since you said Ill do the work when its time.. thats good.. Ill also get a job when it is time. *****Right! The innate conditioning-in-the-moment which IS Rosyln can do no other than what is dictated by the programming. If you need $$ to pay the rent or feed or cloth yourself, then, maybe, you will seek out work. Thank you i wont beat myself up for that then. *****If you can, it sounds more peaceful a way to be: unemployed and serene about it. Happy being at home keying emails, I wish I was funny like tami and mary but oh well.. its not my choice, *****If you REALLY get that (or if it gets you!), you won't wish to funny or beautiful or charming or... you may still experience those wishes but they will be empty of any emotive value. Sure they cans till appear. At one moment they arise, pop! into consciousness.... " I wish I were... " This kind of thing will happen. And, like a doorbell ring, ping! you'll notice it. The difference is that instead of being carried away by waves of associated thoughts that build on the feeling and deepen the sense of entification (creating more of a " me-network " ), the thought will just...die, having been seen through as exactly what it is: a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 > *****There ARE choices and decisions. Clearly. Choice happens. It > arises out of a complex constellation of factors over which there is > no control. So what is choice if there is no control? In other words: If there is no one who chooses, how can what happened be called " choice " ? *****If you don't like calling it a " choice, " call it something more to your liking. They're only words. :-)) What is very clear is that choices happen. Posts are read on LWI List. Responses occur to some posts, not to others. Of those reponses, some end up getting posted to the board. I call that a choice. But who chooses it? Is there a stable, persisting, ongoing entity (Andy or ) who consciously, willfully, with fore-thought, makes a balanced choice? I can find no such entity. Everywhere all there is, is change, flow, flux. So who is there to MAKE the choice? And yet, choices happen. It's much like the title to Mark Epstein's first book, " Thoughts Without A Thinker. " We are SOOOOOO convinced that since there are thoughts, there MUST be a thinker doing the thinking. We never really stop to look at the process itself, to consider whether there really needs to be a thinker, even if there are thoughts. As I see it, thought creates the sense of self (the " me network " ) and then, out of that mental construct, thought creates the 10,000 problems (the " slings and arrows of outrageous fortune " ) that the " me " is subject to throughout life. And the 10,000 joys too. Wouldn't it imply a possible alternative? One we don't really know exists, because we are always in ONE state? *****There are no one-sided coins in phenomenality. There are no single-ended sticks in the relative world. Thus there are always alternative interpretations. Each is drawn to the one most accomodating its innate conditioning-in-the-moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 > What is very clear is that choices happen. Well, and here is the proof: > Posts are read on LWI List. Is that true? " I " reads them. Anyone else? How would I know! *****Here's how: You open up the list and there are five posts you've not seen before. " You " didn't write them (as far as memory tells you). Thus someone else did. Conclusion: others read them. > Responses occur to some posts, not to others. Of those > reponses, some end up getting posted to the board. > I call that a choice. Good. I like your dream. And what if not? *****I don't understand this comment. I could not know your answer, *****What answer? I cannot follow your comments here. and here is mine: Does a flower choose to bloom? What do I know? *****You know what thought tells you. Period. But without the thought that there was anyone " choosing " to " answer " any posts... how do I perceive? I see posts in my inbox, they become more and more, I perceive birth, I find repetitions, and I have a way of perceiving each individual. And sometimes I pick a part of one and give it a meaning. Same is true for a meadow of blooming flowers: Some look alike, they become more. I can see them, smell them, take a leaf of one, compare it with the others and throw away the ones I don't like. *****I would agree with the above...this is what happens. Choices happen. Not by us but through us. > It's much like the title to Mark Epstein's first book, " Thoughts > Without A Thinker. " We are SOOOOOO convinced that since there are > thoughts, there MUST be a thinker doing the thinking. We never > really stop to look at the process itself, to consider whether > there really needs to be a thinker, even if there are thoughts. > > As I see it, thought creates the sense of self (the " me network " ) > and then, out of that mental construct, thought creates the 10,000 > problems (the " slings and arrows of outrageous fortune " ) that > the " me " is subject to throughout life. And the 10,000 joys too. I see a problem when I believe that " I " loose control. I think that was recently discussed, as well. *****Yes. That belief often leads to anxiety and distress. >> Wouldn't it imply a possible alternative? One we don't really know >> exists, because we are always in ONE state? >> >> >> *****There are no one-sided coins in phenomenality. There are no >> single-ended sticks in the relative world. Thus there are always >> alternative interpretations. Each is drawn to the one most >> accomodating its innate conditioning-in-the-moment. Well, there is a coin. How many sides does it have? And how many sides do I see? When I don't turn it around, is there another side? *****What does thought tell you? How can I be so sure there is another side? *****Common sense and logic. If you throw them both out the door, then you can be sure of nothing. Some aspects of thought are harmless, and allow the functioning of this phenomenal world to proceed. I don't even SEE it! And yet I claim to KNOW. What if I didn't? *****We both agree (I think) that the world-as-experienced, life-as- experienced, is all thought construct. Given that understanding, within that context, certain functional assumptions happen for me that are useful, non-stressful, and which I don't find a desire or need to question. When it's night in New York City, the " sun isn't out. " I don't SEE the sun. And yet I will claim with a VERY high degree of certainty, that the sun didn't vanish, that it is still there, albeit, not visible to my eye. Now, there is also an understanding that this " knowing " is a construction of thought, and I can't know, for certain, if it is true. But I have no problem holding that belief. And to me " one side " means " no choice " means " no mistakes " . And I find that SO sweet! *****To me " one side " means " there is another side. " In the world as we now know it. I have never come across a one-sided coin, nor a single-ended stick. Ever. In 53 years. Have you? (This is not to say such do not exist; but I have no direct experience of it and no reason therefore to think such exists.) >> are you saying that becoming aware of not being the doer is beyond >> your control? > *****Yes. Absolutely. Without any qualification. You may be right. And for me that means it is better, because I can't mess it up! *****AND you can't take " credit " for all the " good " things " you " do either. :-)))) >> *****Nothing is in " our " control. The " me " we think of as " our " >> self has absolutely NO power to do anything, to create anything, >> or to cause anything to occur. You know, I believe everyone IS aware of who he is, and every doing is an attempt to keep myself out of that realization. *****You will believe what you believe......but how is it that you can't speak or know *some* things, you can't know what is so for other people, and yet you know this about everyone? It seems a very selective application of what you know and don't know. Sadness, pain, tiredness is not because of long walks, small shoes, bad neighbours or other circumstances, but because neglecting my true self is SO much work! The bigger my attempt to deny love, the more pain I feel. And when the denial stops, the pain is gone. And I call this a not-doing, because it's a state of surrender. I fight for all my life, and if I don't cease to do so sooner, eventually I'll die, and the fight stops. And just before it stops, awareness comes and flows in. What mercy! *****A pretty picture. And just another mental construct to explain what is (like the Jewish story, the Christian story, the Hindu story). Whether or not your analysis has anything to do with the Way Things Really Are....i don't know. You will believe and be attracted to what appeals to you. > Why is this? Because the " me " we think of as " our " self is a > thought, or, more accurately, a succession of thoughts thought > sucessively in very rapid motion. The only thing that thought has > power to do is to confuse. :-))) > > I doubt this is new to you, but I'll say it anyway...... > > The " me " we think of as " our " self is analogous to the illusion of > motion created by a movie. When we think about it, we realize that > a movie is really a collection of many discrete, separate frames. > What is being displayed on the screen, frame by frame, is: Picture. > Picture. Picture. No motion, no action. > > But when the separate frames are run together, very rapidly, there > is the illusion (the appearance) of action, of motion, of doing, or > happenings. Actually, NOTHING is occuring on the screen! No choice. > Similarly, the entity we call " a person " " exists " in a single > moment. Next moment, a " new " person. (Actually, an entirely new > world!) Well, I even believe that man on the screen exists! And he can jump over houses, is faster than bullets, and can download special knowledge on request. Just because he took the red pill! (Ah, the importance of choice, again! What if he didn't choose, but it was " destiny " , instead? ) *****Of course he didn't choose (although he and most of humanity believe he did)! It is ALL destiny. > When the mental process looks back, via memory, on each of those > moments, they are not seen as the discrete, separate entities they > are (like a movie frame). When the mental process turns back on > itself, the individual moments (of " my " life) are run quickly > together, thus generating the sense of a continuous " I " where, in ' > fact, there are discrete " I " s moment to moment to moment. That is > the birth of the illusion. It is this " divine hypnosis " that > creates the sense in most individuals of an on-going " me. " Nothing > persists moment to moment. Yes, that's genesis in eternity. And the " mental process " and the " memory " are the projector. I'm the one who watches. *****If all the world's a stage, where is the audience sitting? > When this is seen (by no one) there is an Understanding that there > is no " me " to have control. Never was. Never will be. For some, > that Seeing is the end of seeking a way out, an acceptance of what > is. > > > >> Or is it " doing is an illusion " ? > > ***** " Doing " clearly happens. The keys on a pc keyboard are struck: > this is a " doing. " A message is created: this too is a " doing. " I > see no illusion there. The illusion (a tremendously powerful and > convincing one!) is that there is a " me " who is doing the " doing. " > :-) Reality happens. What is the doing of a raindrop? *****Perhaps the question is nonsensical. Maybe a raindrop has no doing? And if there is no " doing " in a raindrop... can I be one? *****No, you can't. Not the phenomenal . Although you are the rain. >> How can be " ceasing to do something " be a doing? > > *****I suppose it is how it is interpreted. As I see it, if I am > sawing a log, that is a " doing. " When the thought > arises, " tired...time to stop, " and the sawing ceases, that too is > a " doing " (a " doing of stopping " ). It is a " state change " > (physics). And I can see how this " ceasing to saw " may be > understood as a " not doing. " I'm not sure it's worth debating this > point. Well it must be, because we are! *****You're assuming that because we are debating it, it has value. I do not see that " it has value " necessarily follows from " we are debating it. " I think you are linking things which are not cojoined. Actually: try not to stop. Can you " do " that? *****All " doing " -- lifting a fork, typing a message, laughing -- happen through us, not by us (in the sense that we consciously will doing to happen). It is all constructed " off-stage, " in regions of thought not accessible to consciousness. Eventually the command to " do " something enters conscious awareness and " doing " happens (or stopping happens). We believe, erroneously, that we willed that thought. But it arose out of the programmed wiring of the brain with which we are, temporarily, identified. Eventually, you will. There is nothing you can do about that. *****Absolutely. As Yoda said, " Do! There is no 'try.' " What about love? Is that a doing? *****First, you'd have to say what constitutes a " doing. " Otherwise I couldn't respond intelligently. *****I don't use the word " love. " For me, it is too loaded. Everyone has its own take on what " love " means. The only sound statement I've read about it was from Wayne Austin (he hosts a Yahoo List called " End of the Search, " EOTS). He said, once, " Love doesn't look like anything, " to qwell a long discussion on the list revolving around " Well, is THIS love?...is THAT love?....how do we know an action is loving? " Those kind of cyclical questions. It all depends on the speakers pov on what " love " is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 Tami's right you always come up with good advice. --- Im not convincing i have not been doing the work. or working . DO you mean there are shoulds but only if Tami sees them. ? I agree cant tell anyone else what to do as it may not be what is right for them at the time. My sons have both told me Any in laws they have in the future will think im nuts.. oh well love, roslyn In Loving-what-is , wrote: > > Dear Roslyn, > > > Am 10.04.2006 um 03:36 schrieb mrcitrus6: > > > Well too be honest i think i write on here often because i dont want > > to be in my business > Leave away the " I think " > > And how can you not BE in your business? All you can do is not being > aware of it. It's just... > who's buisness is out of you? > It's all pretending. > > Eventually it gets too painful, so you'll dare to take another look. > > > and i should be doing the work on all my > > stressful beliefs i still believe.. ITs so true.. > Really? You don't sound very convincing. > > > > I like to be in TAmis business.. > > occasionally i get in my sons business and they hate it..get mad and > > dont listen.. so tami is better.. actually. ITs a good diversion.. > > thank you Tami. TAmi.. You should have your dad write my sons. > > HAve you read your dads book yet? I think you should you might > > understand him better but there are not suppose to be any shoulds.. so > > im told. > Oh well. There ARE shoulds, as long as you see them. > > Take step by step and don't try to jump a step. > > That's not possible. > > Be kind to yourself > > > > love, roslyn > Love, > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 -That's easy: when I get out of my buisness I AM ready for it. Not one > moment sooner.- Isnt that when i get out of others business or do you get out of your own business also.. Is it all Gods business? I think katie has said that but i havent given up yet. r - In Loving-what-is , wrote: > > > *****There ARE choices and decisions. Clearly. Choice happens. It > > arises out of a complex constellation of factors over which there is > > no control. > So what is choice if there is no control? > In other words: If there is no one who chooses, how can what happened > be called " choice " ? Wouldn't it imply a possible alternative? One we > don't really know exists, because we are always in ONE state? > > >> I would suggest Tami read PScyhiatry Ultimate Betrayal to get the > >> cons > >> on drugs but TAMi, I dont think you will read it. > > *****In my opinion, the sane when of looking at this is to realize > > that Tami will do what Tami will do. It isn't your business. If you > > feel the need, present your case, with affection and kindness, and > > let the chips fall where they may. > Well, USE her, to see what you have to learn in order for letting go > of the projection. > > Or, just see her everywhere until you let go. > > >> Tami I guess you know this already but since you have made the choice > >> to take ritalin someday you will not have a choice because it is > >> an addictive drug like Xanax. Although people i suppose have gotten > >> off these drugs.. it is then harder the longer you take them. BEcause > >> the body will have to go through a withdrawl My friend went through > >> Xanax withdrawl and is now on lexapro. but i dont know what the > >> difference is really. I guess its up to you now or is it and what > >> about later. The choice will be harder later. Just some > >> thoughts. Some stories. > > *****You might like to consider why there is the concern for Tami. > > Do you think she is not capable of guiding her life? Or is it a > > distraction for you? > Interesting. Now she has the choice, later she won't. > What is an addiction, whithout a memory of the past? > Or what is an addiction without a reason not to do it? > > >> I think my son maybe on some thing as well but such is life > >> on this planet i guess there are reasons for everything. > >> ANd i have to get out of other peoples business. > > *****If you do that, then you have to be in YOUR business. Are you > > ready for that? > That's easy: when I get out of my buisness I AM ready for it. Not one > moment sooner. > > Love, > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 I feel like i have a million stories .. you mean one story at a time comes up? thanks, r -- In Loving-what-is , wrote: > > What I'm saying is that beliefs don't answer to logic. > > Using logic on my beliefs, is a useless attempt to shut them up. > > But don't worry, they'll come back. > > You're just going to be in a loop until eventually your stories > become loud enough for you to hear them. > > And it's always just one. > > Love, > > > > Am 14.04.2006 um 22:45 schrieb mrcitrus6: > > > Tami's right you always come up with good advice. --- > > > > Im not convincing i have not been doing the work. or working . > > > > DO you mean there are shoulds but only if Tami sees them. ? > > > > I agree cant tell anyone else what to do as it may not be what is > > right for them at the time. > > My sons have both told me Any in laws they have in the future will > > think im nuts.. oh well > > love, roslyn > > > > > > In Loving-what-is , <olli_26@> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Roslyn, > >> > >> > >> Am 10.04.2006 um 03:36 schrieb mrcitrus6: > >> > >>> Well too be honest i think i write on here often because i dont > >>> want > >>> to be in my business > >> Leave away the " I think " > >> > >> And how can you not BE in your business? All you can do is not being > >> aware of it. It's just... > >> who's buisness is out of you? > >> It's all pretending. > >> > >> Eventually it gets too painful, so you'll dare to take another look. > >> > >>> and i should be doing the work on all my > >>> stressful beliefs i still believe.. ITs so true.. > >> Really? You don't sound very convincing. > >> > >> > >>> I like to be in TAmis business.. > >>> occasionally i get in my sons business and they hate it..get mad and > >>> dont listen.. so tami is better.. actually. ITs a good diversion.. > >>> thank you Tami. TAmi.. You should have your dad write my sons. > >>> HAve you read your dads book yet? I think you should you might > >>> understand him better but there are not suppose to be any > >>> shoulds.. so > >>> im told. > >> Oh well. There ARE shoulds, as long as you see them. > >> > >> Take step by step and don't try to jump a step. > >> > >> That's not possible. > >> > >> Be kind to yourself > >> > >> > >>> love, roslyn > >> Love, > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ___________________________________________________________ > >> Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http:// > >> messenger.yahoo.de > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 You are soooo wise! I love it about you Can you see how wise you are ? And can you take it in? Love, T > You don't own the stories. You just call them " mine " . > > And how many stories at a time DO you experience? > > In that moment, how do you know there are others? > > Love, > > > Am 16.04.2006 um 06:09 schrieb mrcitrus6: > > > I feel like i have a million stories .. you mean one story at a time > > comes up? > > thanks, r > > > > > > > > -- In Loving-what-is , <olli_26@> wrote: > >> > >> What I'm saying is that beliefs don't answer to logic. > >> > >> Using logic on my beliefs, is a useless attempt to shut them up. > >> > >> But don't worry, they'll come back. > >> > >> You're just going to be in a loop until eventually your stories > >> become loud enough for you to hear them. > >> > >> And it's always just one. > >> > >> Love, > >> > >> > >> > >> Am 14.04.2006 um 22:45 schrieb mrcitrus6: > >> > >>> Tami's right you always come up with good advice. --- > >>> > >>> Im not convincing i have not been doing the work. or working . > >>> > >>> DO you mean there are shoulds but only if Tami sees them. ? > >>> > >>> I agree cant tell anyone else what to do as it may not be what is > >>> right for them at the time. > >>> My sons have both told me Any in laws they have in the future will > >>> think im nuts.. oh well > >>> love, roslyn > >>> > >>> > >>> In Loving-what-is , <olli_26@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Roslyn, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Am 10.04.2006 um 03:36 schrieb mrcitrus6: > >>>> > >>>>> Well too be honest i think i write on here often because i dont > >>>>> want > >>>>> to be in my business > >>>> Leave away the " I think " > >>>> > >>>> And how can you not BE in your business? All you can do is not > >>>> being > >>>> aware of it. It's just... > >>>> who's buisness is out of you? > >>>> It's all pretending. > >>>> > >>>> Eventually it gets too painful, so you'll dare to take another > >>>> look. > >>>> > >>>>> and i should be doing the work on all my > >>>>> stressful beliefs i still believe.. ITs so true.. > >>>> Really? You don't sound very convincing. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> I like to be in TAmis business.. > >>>>> occasionally i get in my sons business and they hate it..get > >>>>> mad and > >>>>> dont listen.. so tami is better.. actually. ITs a good > >>>>> diversion.. > >>>>> thank you Tami. TAmi.. You should have your dad write my sons. > >>>>> HAve you read your dads book yet? I think you should you might > >>>>> understand him better but there are not suppose to be any > >>>>> shoulds.. so > >>>>> im told. > >>>> Oh well. There ARE shoulds, as long as you see them. > >>>> > >>>> Take step by step and don't try to jump a step. > >>>> > >>>> That's not possible. > >>>> > >>>> Be kind to yourself > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> love, roslyn > >>>> Love, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ___________________________________________________________ > >>>> Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http:// > >>>> messenger.yahoo.de > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 I feel like i have a lot of beliefs . I should be better, in lots of ways.. all different stories. but basically the same thing.. Im not good enough. ive had this all my life and wonder if its a past life story . I thought everyone had lots of stories. If i do the work one follows another.. and another and another. Am i the only one. ? r -- In Loving-what-is , wrote: > > You don't own the stories. You just call them " mine " . > > And how many stories at a time DO you experience? > > In that moment, how do you know there are others? > > Love, > > > Am 16.04.2006 um 06:09 schrieb mrcitrus6: > > > I feel like i have a million stories .. you mean one story at a time > > comes up? > > thanks, r > > > > > > > > -- In Loving-what-is , <olli_26@> wrote: > >> > >> What I'm saying is that beliefs don't answer to logic. > >> > >> Using logic on my beliefs, is a useless attempt to shut them up. > >> > >> But don't worry, they'll come back. > >> > >> You're just going to be in a loop until eventually your stories > >> become loud enough for you to hear them. > >> > >> And it's always just one. > >> > >> Love, > >> > >> > >> > >> Am 14.04.2006 um 22:45 schrieb mrcitrus6: > >> > >>> Tami's right you always come up with good advice. --- > >>> > >>> Im not convincing i have not been doing the work. or working . > >>> > >>> DO you mean there are shoulds but only if Tami sees them. ? > >>> > >>> I agree cant tell anyone else what to do as it may not be what is > >>> right for them at the time. > >>> My sons have both told me Any in laws they have in the future will > >>> think im nuts.. oh well > >>> love, roslyn > >>> > >>> > >>> In Loving-what-is , <olli_26@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear Roslyn, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Am 10.04.2006 um 03:36 schrieb mrcitrus6: > >>>> > >>>>> Well too be honest i think i write on here often because i dont > >>>>> want > >>>>> to be in my business > >>>> Leave away the " I think " > >>>> > >>>> And how can you not BE in your business? All you can do is not > >>>> being > >>>> aware of it. It's just... > >>>> who's buisness is out of you? > >>>> It's all pretending. > >>>> > >>>> Eventually it gets too painful, so you'll dare to take another > >>>> look. > >>>> > >>>>> and i should be doing the work on all my > >>>>> stressful beliefs i still believe.. ITs so true.. > >>>> Really? You don't sound very convincing. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> I like to be in TAmis business.. > >>>>> occasionally i get in my sons business and they hate it..get > >>>>> mad and > >>>>> dont listen.. so tami is better.. actually. ITs a good > >>>>> diversion.. > >>>>> thank you Tami. TAmi.. You should have your dad write my sons. > >>>>> HAve you read your dads book yet? I think you should you might > >>>>> understand him better but there are not suppose to be any > >>>>> shoulds.. so > >>>>> im told. > >>>> Oh well. There ARE shoulds, as long as you see them. > >>>> > >>>> Take step by step and don't try to jump a step. > >>>> > >>>> That's not possible. > >>>> > >>>> Be kind to yourself > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> love, roslyn > >>>> Love, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ___________________________________________________________ > >>>> Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http:// > >>>> messenger.yahoo.de > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Doing the Work itself ,to me, implies that i feel i am not good enough that's why i have to do something. nel > > > > You don't own the stories. You just call them " mine " . > > > > And how many stories at a time DO you experience? > > > > In that moment, how do you know there are others? > > > > Love, > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 , > wrote: LOL, you might be a telepathist. > Well, that sounds like you do the work to get yourself something. To change yourself. To become a different person. Just to be more likeable. > You can also do the work for the love of truth. To explore the mind. > > Because you like to know who you'd be without a thought, and you'd like to know who you are with the thought, and how both ways you are still the same person (or is it " entity " ? and the thoughts in the end don't have anything to do with who you are. And that way you can un-identify your self with the thoughts you watch arising. > > Love, > Thank you,A. this was confusing me, asks " WHO would you BE without this thought " and she accepts people's imaginary stories. The answers given are about what would someone be able to DO or FEEL and they do not answer the question...But i can see it now. The Watcher..some say that it's our identity? nel > nel stevens schrieb: > Doing the Work itself ,to me, implies that i feel i am not good enough > that's why i have to do something. > > nel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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