RE: Re: Ritalin and choice.

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R

I have NE fear to be addicted to retalin as long as I have

The story that it would do me good.

I took it, and I feel: WOW, if I took it back in high school

I might not need to copy in the final exam cause I could actually study...

Tomorrow I see my psychiatrist (complicated name)

I am going to ask him to give me retalin I look forward to be addicted

Happy Passover

T

Tami I guess you know this already but since you have made the choice

to take ritalin someday you will not have a choice because it is

an addictive drug like Xanax. Although people i suppose have gotten

off these drugs.. it is then harder the longer you take them. BEcause

the body will have to go through a withdrawl My friend went through

Xanax withdrawl and is now on lexapro. but i dont know what the

difference is really. I guess its up to you now or is it and what

about later. The choice will be harder later. Just some

thoughts. Some stories.

*****You might like to consider why there is the concern for Tami.

Do you think she is not capable of guiding her life? Or is it a

distraction for you?

I think my son maybe on some thing as well but such is life

on this planet i guess there are reasons for everything.

ANd i have to get out of other peoples business.

*****If you do that, then you have to be in YOUR business. Are you

ready for that?

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Dear Roslyn,

Am 10.04.2006 um 03:36 schrieb mrcitrus6:

> Well too be honest i think i write on here often because i dont want

> to be in my business

Leave away the " I think "

And how can you not BE in your business? All you can do is not being

aware of it. It's just...

who's buisness is out of you?

It's all pretending.

Eventually it gets too painful, so you'll dare to take another look.

> and i should be doing the work on all my

> stressful beliefs i still believe.. ITs so true..

Really? You don't sound very convincing.

> I like to be in TAmis business..

> occasionally i get in my sons business and they hate it..get mad and

> dont listen.. so tami is better.. actually. ITs a good diversion..

> thank you Tami. TAmi.. You should have your dad write my sons.

> HAve you read your dads book yet? I think you should you might

> understand him better but there are not suppose to be any shoulds.. so

> im told.

Oh well. There ARE shoulds, as long as you see them.

Take step by step and don't try to jump a step.

That's not possible.

Be kind to yourself

> love, roslyn

Love,

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> *****There ARE choices and decisions. Clearly. Choice happens. It

> arises out of a complex constellation of factors over which there is

> no control.

So what is choice if there is no control?

In other words: If there is no one who chooses, how can what happened

be called " choice " ? Wouldn't it imply a possible alternative? One we

don't really know exists, because we are always in ONE state?

>> I would suggest Tami read PScyhiatry Ultimate Betrayal to get the

>> cons

>> on drugs but TAMi, I dont think you will read it.

> *****In my opinion, the sane when of looking at this is to realize

> that Tami will do what Tami will do. It isn't your business. If you

> feel the need, present your case, with affection and kindness, and

> let the chips fall where they may.

Well, USE her, to see what you have to learn in order for letting go

of the projection.

Or, just see her everywhere until you let go.

>> Tami I guess you know this already but since you have made the choice

>> to take ritalin someday you will not have a choice because it is

>> an addictive drug like Xanax. Although people i suppose have gotten

>> off these drugs.. it is then harder the longer you take them. BEcause

>> the body will have to go through a withdrawl My friend went through

>> Xanax withdrawl and is now on lexapro. but i dont know what the

>> difference is really. I guess its up to you now or is it and what

>> about later. The choice will be harder later. Just some

>> thoughts. Some stories.

> *****You might like to consider why there is the concern for Tami.

> Do you think she is not capable of guiding her life? Or is it a

> distraction for you?

Interesting. Now she has the choice, later she won't.

What is an addiction, whithout a memory of the past?

Or what is an addiction without a reason not to do it?

>> I think my son maybe on some thing as well but such is life

>> on this planet i guess there are reasons for everything.

>> ANd i have to get out of other peoples business.

> *****If you do that, then you have to be in YOUR business. Are you

> ready for that?

That's easy: when I get out of my buisness I AM ready for it. Not one

moment sooner.

Love,

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> Am 12.04.2006 um 16:52 schrieb Andy:

>>

>>

>>

>> *****A good, solid exposition of BK's " position. " Most of which I

>> agree with. However...

>>

>> the one " escape hatch " that she offers (and it is a valid one, for

>> some people), is to cease arguing with reality.

>>

>> But how does that happen, since " We've never had control. We have

>> the illusion of control " ?

>>

>> The implication is that we can choose to question our thoughts,

>> cease

>> arguing with reality. But how can we do that since we have no

>> control? Certainly questioning thought happens. Cessation of

>> warring with reality occurs. For some. Some of the time.

>>

>> See, the one thing she always leaves out is that The Work " works "

>> when it works. Not always. Not for everyone. First there has

>> to be

>> the thought, in the middle of or just following distress or

>> upset, " I'll do The Work! "

>>

>> But as we have " no control, " how do we summon up the thought of

>> doing

>> The Work? Either the thought arises, or it doesn't. If it

>> doesn't, the upset persists.

>>

>> This is the " catch " that is hidden in her presentation. But it

>> is a fatal catch.

>>

>> In my experience The Work has TREMENDOUS potential to deconstruct

>> thought and display the erroneous notions that cause suffering.

>>

>> But

>> whether or not The Work is actually engaged in, and whether or not

>> once engaged in it is successful, is not up to us. And THAT is

>> the

>> bottom line.

>>

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I think love is what we are.

And to " do " is to keep me from that awareness.

Tami schrieb:

Dear amazing

You asked a wise question:

" What about love? Is that a doing " ?

I think loving is not a doing.

What is your opinion, ALex?

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Dear amazing

You asked a wise question:

" What about love? Is that a doing " ?

I think loving is not a doing.

What is your opinion, ALex?

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Dear Andy,

> What is very clear is that choices happen.

Well, and here is the proof:

> Posts are read on LWI List.

Is that true? " I " reads them. Anyone else? How would I know!

*****Here's how: You open up the list and there are five posts you've

*****not seen before. " You " didn't write them (as far as memory tells

*****you). Thus someone else did. Conclusion: others read them.

## right: as far as memory tells you. Important point. And have you asked you?

## Has memory EVER fooled you? It sure has fooled me!

## so, what if it's not true?

> Responses occur to some posts, not to others. Of those

> reponses, some end up getting posted to the board.

> I call that a choice.

Good. I like your dream.

And what if not?

*****I don't understand this comment.

## If it were not " responses " , what were it, then?

I could not know your answer,

*****What answer? I cannot follow your comments here.

and here is mine:

Does a flower choose to bloom?

What do I know?

*****You know what thought tells you. Period.

## oh, really? Well, thought tells me a lot. I rather question it, than

believing it.

## Sometimes.

But without the thought that there was anyone " choosing " to " answer "

any posts... how do I perceive?

I see posts in my inbox, they become more and more, I perceive birth,

I find repetitions, and I have a way of perceiving each individual.

And sometimes I pick a part of one and give it a meaning.

Same is true for a meadow of blooming flowers: Some look alike, they

become more. I can see them, smell them, take a leaf of one, compare

it with the others and throw away the ones I don't like.

*****I would agree with the above...this is what happens. Choices

*****happen. Not by us but through us.

> It's much like the title to Mark Epstein's first book, " Thoughts

> Without A Thinker. " We are SOOOOOO convinced that since there are

> thoughts, there MUST be a thinker doing the thinking. We never

> really stop to look at the process itself, to consider whether

> there really needs to be a thinker, even if there are thoughts.

>

> As I see it, thought creates the sense of self (the " me network " )

> and then, out of that mental construct, thought creates the 10,000

> problems (the " slings and arrows of outrageous fortune " ) that

> the " me " is subject to throughout life. And the 10,000 joys too.

I see a problem when I believe that " I " loose control. I think that

was recently discussed, as well.

*****Yes. That belief often leads to anxiety and distress.

>> Wouldn't it imply a possible alternative? One we don't really know

>> exists, because we are always in ONE state?

>> *****There are no one-sided coins in phenomenality. There are no

>> single-ended sticks in the relative world. Thus there are always

>> alternative interpretations. Each is drawn to the one most

>> accomodating its innate conditioning-in-the-moment.

Well, there is a coin. How many sides does it have?

And how many sides do I see?

When I don't turn it around, is there another side?

*****What does thought tell you?

## The thought that there is another side comes up. And is it true?

How can I be so sure there is another side?

*****Common sense and logic. If you throw them both out the door,

*****then you can be sure of nothing. Some aspects of thought are

*****harmless, and allow the functioning of this phenomenal world to

*****proceed.

## so, what happens without them? Phenomenal world ceases to exist? And what

## then? Is it replaced?

I don't even SEE it! And yet I claim to KNOW.

What if I didn't?

*****We both agree (I think) that the world-as-experienced, life-as-

experienced, is all thought construct. Given that understanding,

within that context, certain functional assumptions happen for me

that are useful, non-stressful, and which I don't find a desire or

need to question. When it's night in New York City, the " sun isn't

out. " I don't SEE the sun. And yet I will claim with a VERY high

degree of certainty, that the sun didn't vanish, that it is still

there, albeit, not visible to my eye. Now, there is also an

understanding that this " knowing " is a construction of thought, and I

can't know, for certain, if it is true. But I have no problem

holding that belief.

## I would not have expected that you had a problem with that. It's not one

that is

## challenged very often, is it? And what difference does it make where the

sun is at

## night? How do I react when that belief is challenged?

## and maybe I don't need to know, because it won't ever be challenged.

## It's just about noticing how dear I hold a thought.

And to me " one side " means " no choice " means " no mistakes " .

And I find that SO sweet!

*****To me " one side " means " there is another side. " In the world as

we now know it. I have never come across a one-sided coin, nor a

single-ended stick. Ever. In 53 years. Have you? (This is not to

say such do not exist; but I have no direct experience of it and no

reason therefore to think such exists.)

## Right. And I have not ever come across a tree that made no sound falling when

it

## wasn't there. Neither across an empty mirror. You know what I am talking

about.

>> are you saying that becoming aware of not being the doer is beyond

>> your control?

> *****Yes. Absolutely. Without any qualification.

You may be right.

And for me that means it is better, because I can't mess it up!

*****AND you can't take " credit " for all the " good " things " you " do

either. :-))))

## And I like that, as well. It is much sweeter to KNOW that you are always

taken care

## of, no matter what, than. Why would I want credit for something I never

did,

## anyway?

>> *****Nothing is in " our " control. The " me " we think of as " our "

>> self has absolutely NO power to do anything, to create anything,

>> or to cause anything to occur.

You know, I believe everyone IS aware of who he is, and every doing

is an attempt to keep myself out of that realization.

*****You will believe what you believe......but how is it that you

can't speak or know *some* things, you can't know what is so for

other people, and yet you know this about everyone? It seems a very

selective application of what you know and don't know.

## That's right, I am selective, there. Thank you.

Sadness, pain, tiredness is not because of long walks, small shoes,

bad neighbours or other circumstances, but because neglecting my true

self is SO much work! The bigger my attempt to deny love, the more

pain I feel. And when the denial stops, the pain is gone.

And I call this a not-doing, because it's a state of surrender. I

fight for all my life, and if I don't cease to do so sooner,

eventually I'll die, and the fight stops. And just before it stops,

awareness comes and flows in.

What mercy!

*****A pretty picture. And just another mental construct to explain

what is (like the Jewish story, the Christian story, the Hindu

story). Whether or not your analysis has anything to do with the Way

Things Really Are....i don't know. You will believe and be attracted

to what appeals to you.

## well, you may be right.

## it has not always been true for me, as memory can tell

## it is true for me in this moment

## and it may not be true for me next moment

> Why is this? Because the " me " we think of as " our " self is a

> thought, or, more accurately, a succession of thoughts thought

> sucessively in very rapid motion. The only thing that thought has

> power to do is to confuse. :-)))

>

> I doubt this is new to you, but I'll say it anyway......

>

> The " me " we think of as " our " self is analogous to the illusion of

> motion created by a movie. When we think about it, we realize that

> a movie is really a collection of many discrete, separate frames.

> What is being displayed on the screen, frame by frame, is: Picture.

> Picture. Picture. No motion, no action.

>

> But when the separate frames are run together, very rapidly, there

> is the illusion (the appearance) of action, of motion, of doing, or

> happenings. Actually, NOTHING is occuring on the screen!

No choice.

> Similarly, the entity we call " a person " " exists " in a single

> moment. Next moment, a " new " person. (Actually, an entirely new

> world!)

Well, I even believe that man on the screen exists! And he can jump

over houses, is faster than bullets, and can download special

knowledge on request. Just because he took the red pill! (Ah, the

importance of choice, again! What if he didn't choose, but it was

" destiny " , instead? )

*****Of course he didn't choose (although he and most of humanity

believe he did)! It is ALL destiny.

> When the mental process looks back, via memory, on each of those

> moments, they are not seen as the discrete, separate entities they

> are (like a movie frame). When the mental process turns back on

> itself, the individual moments (of " my " life) are run quickly

> together, thus generating the sense of a continuous " I " where, in '

> fact, there are discrete " I " s moment to moment to moment. That is

> the birth of the illusion. It is this " divine hypnosis " that

> creates the sense in most individuals of an on-going " me. " Nothing

> persists moment to moment.

Yes, that's genesis in eternity.

And the " mental process " and the " memory " are the projector.

I'm the one who watches.

*****If all the world's a stage, where is the audience sitting?

## Yes! Where is it? And come to talk of it: WHAT stage, anyway?

> When this is seen (by no one) there is an Understanding that there

> is no " me " to have control. Never was. Never will be. For some,

> that Seeing is the end of seeking a way out, an acceptance of what

> is.

>

>

>

>> Or is it " doing is an illusion " ?

>

> ***** " Doing " clearly happens. The keys on a pc keyboard are struck:

> this is a " doing. " A message is created: this too is a " doing. " I

> see no illusion there. The illusion (a tremendously powerful and

> convincing one!) is that there is a " me " who is doing the " doing. "

> :-)

Reality happens. What is the doing of a raindrop?

*****Perhaps the question is nonsensical. Maybe a raindrop has no

*****doing?

And if there is no " doing " in a raindrop... can I be one?

*****No, you can't. Not the phenomenal . Although you are

*****the rain.

## *LOL*

##

## thank you

##

## *blush*

##

## (well, ALMOST!

>> How can be " ceasing to do something " be a doing?

>

> *****I suppose it is how it is interpreted. As I see it, if I am

> sawing a log, that is a " doing. " When the thought

> arises, " tired...time to stop, " and the sawing ceases, that too is

> a " doing " (a " doing of stopping " ). It is a " state change "

> (physics). And I can see how this " ceasing to saw " may be

> understood as a " not doing. " I'm not sure it's worth debating this

> point.

Well it must be, because we are!

*****You're assuming that because we are debating it, it has value.

I do not see that " it has value " necessarily follows from " we are

debating it. " I think you are linking things which are not cojoined.

## It HAS to have value, because it is all there IS.

## In that moment.

## My whole EXISTENCE is based upon me " being " here in this moment and to make

## it possible to " do " what I am " doing " .

## I like the idea that all the fuss was worth SOMETHING!

Actually: try not to stop. Can you " do " that?

*****All " doing " -- lifting a fork, typing a message, laughing --

happen through us, not by us (in the sense that we consciously will

doing to happen). It is all constructed " off-stage, " in regions of

thought not accessible to consciousness. Eventually the command

to " do " something enters conscious awareness and " doing " happens (or

stopping happens). We believe, erroneously, that we willed that

thought. But it arose out of the programmed wiring of the brain with

which we are, temporarily, identified.

## allright

## is " pausing the movie " a doing, as well?

Eventually, you will.

There is nothing you can do about that.

*****Absolutely. As Yoda said, " Do! There is no 'try.' "

## wise guy!

What about love? Is that a doing?

*****First, you'd have to say what constitutes a " doing. " Otherwise

I couldn't respond intelligently.

*****I don't use the word " love. " For me, it is too loaded.

Everyone has its own take on what " love " means. The only sound

statement I've read about it was from Wayne Austin (he hosts a Yahoo

List called " End of the Search, " EOTS). He said, once, " Love doesn't

look like anything, " to qwell a long discussion on the list revolving

around " Well, is THIS love?...is THAT love?....how do we know an

action is loving? " Those kind of cyclical questions. It all depends

on the speakers pov on what " love " is.

## right. I'd say love is oneness, Un-separation. I feel it, when I totally

accept some-

## one or some-thing in the moment.

## A not-doing.

## and it may look different for anyone.

## for some it could look like dragging a crying person away.

## Or taking something out of his hand.

## whatever.

## love is what is. And when we become aware of that, we love-what-is.

## and if we don't become aware of it... we'll do it anyway.

## we just keep us from noticing.

## Love,

##

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HI ANDY

And may I add: Grrrr?

Ok, Grrr = Tami

> What is very clear is that choices happen.

Well, and here is the proof:

> Posts are read on LWI List.

Is that true? " I " reads them. Anyone else? How would I know!

*****Here's how: You open up the list and there are five posts you've

Not seen before. " You " didn't write them (as far as memory tells

You). Thus someone else did. Conclusion: others read them.

Grrr

Lousy common sense

My common sense tells me that if there are posts I didn't write

My conclusion would be: someone else *WROTE* them.

Reading them is a guess!

> Responses occur to some posts, not to others. Of those

> reponses, some end up getting posted to the board.

> I call that a choice.

Good. I like your dream.

And what if not?

*****I don't understand this comment.

Grrrr

Me neither. ALex sometimes talk to himself

On the other hand, aren't we all?

Who is out there? I become as funny as you, Andy

Love, T

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What I'm saying is that beliefs don't answer to logic.

Using logic on my beliefs, is a useless attempt to shut them up.

But don't worry, they'll come back.

You're just going to be in a loop until eventually your stories

become loud enough for you to hear them.

And it's always just one.

Love,

Am 14.04.2006 um 22:45 schrieb mrcitrus6:

> Tami's right you always come up with good advice. ---

>

> Im not convincing i have not been doing the work. or working .

>

> DO you mean there are shoulds but only if Tami sees them. ?

>

> I agree cant tell anyone else what to do as it may not be what is

> right for them at the time.

> My sons have both told me Any in laws they have in the future will

> think im nuts.. oh well

> love, roslyn

>

>

> In Loving-what-is , wrote:

>>

>> Dear Roslyn,

>>

>>

>> Am 10.04.2006 um 03:36 schrieb mrcitrus6:

>>

>>> Well too be honest i think i write on here often because i dont

>>> want

>>> to be in my business

>> Leave away the " I think "

>>

>> And how can you not BE in your business? All you can do is not being

>> aware of it. It's just...

>> who's buisness is out of you?

>> It's all pretending.

>>

>> Eventually it gets too painful, so you'll dare to take another look.

>>

>>> and i should be doing the work on all my

>>> stressful beliefs i still believe.. ITs so true..

>> Really? You don't sound very convincing.

>>

>>

>>> I like to be in TAmis business..

>>> occasionally i get in my sons business and they hate it..get mad and

>>> dont listen.. so tami is better.. actually. ITs a good diversion..

>>> thank you Tami. TAmi.. You should have your dad write my sons.

>>> HAve you read your dads book yet? I think you should you might

>>> understand him better but there are not suppose to be any

>>> shoulds.. so

>>> im told.

>> Oh well. There ARE shoulds, as long as you see them.

>>

>> Take step by step and don't try to jump a step.

>>

>> That's not possible.

>>

>> Be kind to yourself

>>

>>

>>> love, roslyn

>> Love,

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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You don't own the stories. You just call them " mine " .

And how many stories at a time DO you experience?

In that moment, how do you know there are others?

Love,

Am 16.04.2006 um 06:09 schrieb mrcitrus6:

> I feel like i have a million stories .. you mean one story at a time

> comes up?

> thanks, r

>

>

>

> -- In Loving-what-is , wrote:

>>

>> What I'm saying is that beliefs don't answer to logic.

>>

>> Using logic on my beliefs, is a useless attempt to shut them up.

>>

>> But don't worry, they'll come back.

>>

>> You're just going to be in a loop until eventually your stories

>> become loud enough for you to hear them.

>>

>> And it's always just one.

>>

>> Love,

>>

>>

>>

>> Am 14.04.2006 um 22:45 schrieb mrcitrus6:

>>

>>> Tami's right you always come up with good advice. ---

>>>

>>> Im not convincing i have not been doing the work. or working .

>>>

>>> DO you mean there are shoulds but only if Tami sees them. ?

>>>

>>> I agree cant tell anyone else what to do as it may not be what is

>>> right for them at the time.

>>> My sons have both told me Any in laws they have in the future will

>>> think im nuts.. oh well

>>> love, roslyn

>>>

>>>

>>> In Loving-what-is , <olli_26@> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Dear Roslyn,

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Am 10.04.2006 um 03:36 schrieb mrcitrus6:

>>>>

>>>>> Well too be honest i think i write on here often because i dont

>>>>> want

>>>>> to be in my business

>>>> Leave away the " I think "

>>>>

>>>> And how can you not BE in your business? All you can do is not

>>>> being

>>>> aware of it. It's just...

>>>> who's buisness is out of you?

>>>> It's all pretending.

>>>>

>>>> Eventually it gets too painful, so you'll dare to take another

>>>> look.

>>>>

>>>>> and i should be doing the work on all my

>>>>> stressful beliefs i still believe.. ITs so true..

>>>> Really? You don't sound very convincing.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> I like to be in TAmis business..

>>>>> occasionally i get in my sons business and they hate it..get

>>>>> mad and

>>>>> dont listen.. so tami is better.. actually. ITs a good

>>>>> diversion..

>>>>> thank you Tami. TAmi.. You should have your dad write my sons.

>>>>> HAve you read your dads book yet? I think you should you might

>>>>> understand him better but there are not suppose to be any

>>>>> shoulds.. so

>>>>> im told.

>>>> Oh well. There ARE shoulds, as long as you see them.

>>>>

>>>> Take step by step and don't try to jump a step.

>>>>

>>>> That's not possible.

>>>>

>>>> Be kind to yourself

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> love, roslyn

>>>> Love,

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

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I have the story: I am perfect the way I am

Cause I always do the best I can.

However, when it comes to other areas in my life

I have 2-3 stressful stories that seem to stick around

SO now I am depressed cause I have 2-3 stressful stories about you know who.

Only 2 stories, and so much pain!

T

-- Re: Ritalin and choice.

I feel like i have a lot of beliefs .

I should be better, in lots of ways.. all different stories. but

basically the same thing.. Im not good enough.

ive had this all my life and wonder if its a past life story .

I thought everyone had lots of stories.

If i do the work one follows another.. and another and another.

Am i the only one. ?

r

-- In Loving-what-is , wrote:

>

> You don't own the stories. You just call them " mine " .

>

> And how many stories at a time DO you experience?

>

> In that moment, how do you know there are others?

>

> Love,

>

>

> Am 16.04.2006 um 06:09 schrieb mrcitrus6:

>

> > I feel like i have a million stories .. you mean one story at a

time

> > comes up?

> > thanks, r

> >

> >

> >

> > -- In Loving-what-is , <olli_26@> wrote:

> >>

> >> What I'm saying is that beliefs don't answer to logic.

> >>

> >> Using logic on my beliefs, is a useless attempt to shut them up.

> >>

> >> But don't worry, they'll come back.

> >>

> >> You're just going to be in a loop until eventually your stories

> >> become loud enough for you to hear them.

> >>

> >> And it's always just one.

> >>

> >> Love,

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Am 14.04.2006 um 22:45 schrieb mrcitrus6:

> >>

> >>> Tami's right you always come up with good advice. ---

> >>>

> >>> Im not convincing i have not been doing the work. or working .

> >>>

> >>> DO you mean there are shoulds but only if Tami sees them. ?

> >>>

> >>> I agree cant tell anyone else what to do as it may not be what

is

> >>> right for them at the time.

> >>> My sons have both told me Any in laws they have in the future

will

> >>> think im nuts.. oh well

> >>> love, roslyn

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> In Loving-what-is , <olli_26@> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> Dear Roslyn,

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> Am 10.04.2006 um 03:36 schrieb mrcitrus6:

> >>>>

> >>>>> Well too be honest i think i write on here often because i

dont

> >>>>> want

> >>>>> to be in my business

> >>>> Leave away the " I think "

> >>>>

> >>>> And how can you not BE in your business? All you can do is

not

> >>>> being

> >>>> aware of it. It's just...

> >>>> who's buisness is out of you?

> >>>> It's all pretending.

> >>>>

> >>>> Eventually it gets too painful, so you'll dare to take

another

> >>>> look.

> >>>>

> >>>>> and i should be doing the work on all my

> >>>>> stressful beliefs i still believe.. ITs so true..

> >>>> Really? You don't sound very convincing.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>> I like to be in TAmis business..

> >>>>> occasionally i get in my sons business and they hate it..get

> >>>>> mad and

> >>>>> dont listen.. so tami is better.. actually. ITs a good

> >>>>> diversion..

> >>>>> thank you Tami. TAmi.. You should have your dad write my sons.

> >>>>> HAve you read your dads book yet? I think you should you might

> >>>>> understand him better but there are not suppose to be any

> >>>>> shoulds.. so

> >>>>> im told.

> >>>> Oh well. There ARE shoulds, as long as you see them.

> >>>>

> >>>> Take step by step and don't try to jump a step.

> >>>>

> >>>> That's not possible.

> >>>>

> >>>> Be kind to yourself

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>> love, roslyn

> >>>> Love,

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> ___________________________________________________________

> >>>> Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://

> >>>> messenger.yahoo.de

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Well, you are the only one that matters.

So, if you were someone else, right now. If you had achieved EVERYTHING you

think you should achieve. All the world would love you.

Then you would feel different in this moment.

Is that really true?

Love,

mrcitrus6 schrieb:

I feel like i have a lot of beliefs .

I should be better, in lots of ways.. all different stories. but

basically the same thing.. Im not good enough.

ive had this all my life and wonder if its a past life story .

I thought everyone had lots of stories.

If i do the work one follows another.. and another and another.

Am i the only one. ?

r

-- In Loving-what-is , wrote:

>

> You don't own the stories. You just call them " mine " .

>

> And how many stories at a time DO you experience?

>

> In that moment, how do you know there are others?

>

> Love,

>

>

> Am 16.04.2006 um 06:09 schrieb mrcitrus6:

>

> > I feel like i have a million stories .. you mean one story at a

time

> > comes up?

> > thanks, r

> >

> >

> >

> > -- In Loving-what-is , wrote:

> >>

> >> What I'm saying is that beliefs don't answer to logic.

> >>

> >> Using logic on my beliefs, is a useless attempt to shut them up.

> >>

> >> But don't worry, they'll come back.

> >>

> >> You're just going to be in a loop until eventually your stories

> >> become loud enough for you to hear them.

> >>

> >> And it's always just one.

> >>

> >> Love,

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Am 14.04.2006 um 22:45 schrieb mrcitrus6:

> >>

> >>> Tami's right you always come up with good advice. ---

> >>>

> >>> Im not convincing i have not been doing the work. or working .

> >>>

> >>> DO you mean there are shoulds but only if Tami sees them. ?

> >>>

> >>> I agree cant tell anyone else what to do as it may not be what

is

> >>> right for them at the time.

> >>> My sons have both told me Any in laws they have in the future

will

> >>> think im nuts.. oh well

> >>> love, roslyn

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> In Loving-what-is , wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>> Dear Roslyn,

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> Am 10.04.2006 um 03:36 schrieb mrcitrus6:

> >>>>

> >>>>> Well too be honest i think i write on here often because i

dont

> >>>>> want

> >>>>> to be in my business

> >>>> Leave away the " I think "

> >>>>

> >>>> And how can you not BE in your business? All you can do is

not

> >>>> being

> >>>> aware of it. It's just...

> >>>> who's buisness is out of you?

> >>>> It's all pretending.

> >>>>

> >>>> Eventually it gets too painful, so you'll dare to take

another

> >>>> look.

> >>>>

> >>>>> and i should be doing the work on all my

> >>>>> stressful beliefs i still believe.. ITs so true..

> >>>> Really? You don't sound very convincing.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>> I like to be in TAmis business..

> >>>>> occasionally i get in my sons business and they hate it..get

> >>>>> mad and

> >>>>> dont listen.. so tami is better.. actually. ITs a good

> >>>>> diversion..

> >>>>> thank you Tami. TAmi.. You should have your dad write my sons.

> >>>>> HAve you read your dads book yet? I think you should you might

> >>>>> understand him better but there are not suppose to be any

> >>>>> shoulds.. so

> >>>>> im told.

> >>>> Oh well. There ARE shoulds, as long as you see them.

> >>>>

> >>>> Take step by step and don't try to jump a step.

> >>>>

> >>>> That's not possible.

> >>>>

> >>>> Be kind to yourself

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>> love, roslyn

> >>>> Love,

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> ___________________________________________________________

> >>>> Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://

> >>>> messenger.yahoo.de

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Well, that sounds like you do the work to get yourself something. To change

yourself. To become a different person.

You can also do the work for the love of truth. To explore the mind.

Because you like to know who you'd be without a thought, and you'd like to

know who you are with the thought, and how both ways you are still the same

person (or is it " entity " ? and the thoughts in the end don't have anything to

do with who you are. And that way you can un-identify your self with the

thoughts you watch arising.

Love,

nel stevens schrieb:

Doing the Work itself ,to me, implies that i feel i am not good enough

that's why i have to do something.

nel

> >

> > You don't own the stories. You just call them " mine " .

> >

> > And how many stories at a time DO you experience?

> >

> > In that moment, how do you know there are others?

> >

> > Love,

> >

> >