Re: .....going back on drugs

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Dear ,

You said:

<<I have been in a bad state of pain & nonfunctionality for a while

now...my parents convinced me to take some of my stash of

psychodrugs....I have loads of them that I quit taking. so I was

taking one 10mg zyprexa at night for ten days, but that was the last

of the zyprexa and I don't see it has been helping - they say you

have to be on it for a while or something...at this point i could

likely end up in a psych ward where they could inject me with heavy

drugs plus add a few doses of other drugs...i am hoping it won't come

to that...so i guess my question is

if i had to take one psychodrug for a while...which would be the

least harmful psysiologically??

the ones I have on hand here are:

seroquel - that makes me feel like i am on a bad acid trip 25mg, 200mg

ativan 1 mg

lithobid 300mg - I already take a natural lithium supplement

haloperidol 5mg

topamax 100mg, 25 mg

wellbutrin sr 150 mg

geodon 40mg, 20mg

clonzepam 1mg

loxapine 25 mg

klonopin 1 mg>>

** This question can't be answered. Because of the unique chemistry in

each individual what is not too bad in one person will kill another.

Besides, these are vastly differnt drugs that do different things. Why

would the criteria for choosing among them be the one that is the least

harmful physiologically? What about appropriateness for symptoms? In any

case, the reality is the question cannot be answered.

, the pain is from having taken the drugs for years. How do you

think this will help?

Why does it matter what your parents think you should do? I suppose they

supported you taking these drugs initially also? These drugs got you to

where you are today. Why would you want to take them again?

I would strongly suggest you not seek advice on the Internet on what

drug is " best " for you. The answers you will be getting will be what drug

the person you're asking found to be " best " for him/her at a particular

time. This has nothing to do with you.

If you really want to get away from the whole conventional psychiatric

scene and find some healing make an appointment at the Pfeiffer Clinic. Beg

and borrow the money to do it. You won't be sorry.

http://www.hriptc.org/

In the meantime, you can help yourself by getting SupraLife's Total Body

Toddy, SupraLife's Rainforest Toddy, and SupraLife's Colloidal Trace

Minerals.

Take the Rainforest Toddy first. Begin at one ounce a day for three

days. Then take 2 oz. a day for 3 days, then 3 oz, a day until the bottle

is gone. Then take 1 oz a day of Total Toddy for a week, then 2 oz. a day.

Take 2 oz a day of Mineral Toddy for a week then increase it to 4 oz. a day.

Do this for a month. Your pain should decrease by at least 50% (a very

conservative estimate).

For those of you who are wondering why I am recommending these and not the

protocol I recommend in the Basic Healing Protocols it is because this is

the exact protocol I used for years with people that works so well. I

received so many emails from people concerned about price I looked for

another product that might approximate the Total Toddy. I came up with the

VM-100. It's okay but it isn't Supralife's Total Toddy. It's a real

dilemma for me when what I really want to say is dig as deeply into your

pockets as possible and follow this protocol. I don't want to alienate

people but I also cannot control what works, what doesn't, and the cost of

it. In many cases, people have become so spoiled by having medical

insurance pay for most prescriptions they just think they can't afford to

pay out the money. The reality is--most people can find a way to make it

happen.

I'm going to give you a piece of advice, , learned from observing

people and their lists of psychiatric drugs over a period of 20 years.

Antipsychotics, antidepressants, benzodiazepines, mood stabilizers --when

you see a list this long and varied what you are really looking at is

improper treatment. If they were on the right track you would be on a drug

and stable. The more drugs you take at once because one doesn't " work " ,

the more drugs they keep trying because the last one didn't " work " the more

likely it is that there is nothing wrong with you other than the after

effects of having taken all these drugs.

Everyone has challenges. Almost everyone has had traumas. Some people

have better coping skills than others. But everyone can learn better coping

skills. Whatever happened to you last week, last month, last year, ten

years ago, or as a child is all in the past. You lived through it. The

best way to deal with all of it is to stop lingering on it and trying to fix

it. It can't be fixed. Only how you think about things and view things can

be fixed.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

>Dear ,

>

>

> You said:

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><<I have been in a bad state of pain & nonfunctionality for a while

>now...my parents convinced me to take some of my stash of

>psychodrugs....I have loads of them that I quit taking. so I was

>taking one 10mg zyprexa at night for ten days, but that was the last

>of the zyprexa and I don't see it has been helping - they say you

>have to be on it for a while or something...at this point i could

>likely end up in a psych ward where they could inject me with heavy

>drugs plus add a few doses of other drugs...i am hoping it won't come

>to that...so i guess my question is

>

>if i had to take one psychodrug for a while...which would be the

>least harmful psysiologically??

>

>the ones I have on hand here are:

>

>seroquel - that makes me feel like i am on a bad acid trip 25mg, 200mg

>ativan 1 mg

>lithobid 300mg - I already take a natural lithium supplement

>haloperidol 5mg

>topamax 100mg, 25 mg

>wellbutrin sr 150 mg

>geodon 40mg, 20mg

>clonzepam 1mg

>loxapine 25 mg

>klonopin 1 mg>>

>

>

>

> ** This question can't be answered. Because of the unique chemistry in

>each individual what is not too bad in one person will kill another.

>Besides, these are vastly differnt drugs that do different things. Why

>would the criteria for choosing among them be the one that is the least

>harmful physiologically?

because really I don't want or understand these drugs.

>What about appropriateness for symptoms?

I have so many changing symptoms people don't even care to hear about them.

>In any

>case, the reality is the question cannot be answered.

>

>

> , the pain is from having taken the drugs for years. How do you

>think this will help?

i am in terror and nonfunctionality, unable to speak even, they say 'catatonic'

>

>

>

> Why does it matter what your parents think you should do?

they run my life - my mother is an abusive borderline person who has

all her faith in psychiatry & drugs.

>I suppose they

>supported you taking these drugs initially also?

yes forced them on me since i was a teenager

>These drugs got you to

>where you are today. Why would you want to take them again?

only out of fear.

>

>

> I would strongly suggest you not seek advice on the Internet on what

>drug is " best " for you. The answers you will be getting will be what drug

>the person you're asking found to be " best " for him/her at a particular

>time. This has nothing to do with you.

i just meant that I know SSRIs cause certain problems and zyprexa can

cause diabetes, I was wondering if there was one that was more benign

than others. some say that if I have DID, some alter may need a drug

even if I don't??

>

>

> If you really want to get away from the whole conventional psychiatric

>scene and find some healing make an appointment at the Pfeiffer Clinic. Beg

>and borrow the money to do it. You won't be sorry.

I am exhausted from trying to get help and survive and have autonomy

& volition - in this condition I can't even drive or make a phone

call. but thank you I will keep it in mind.

>

> http://www.hriptc.org/

>

>

>

> In the meantime, you can help yourself by getting SupraLife's Total Body

>Toddy, SupraLife's Rainforest Toddy, and SupraLife's Colloidal Trace

>Minerals.

okay I'll look into those I am tons of supps, colloidol minerals,

greenfoods, vitamins & nystatin already.

>

>

> Take the Rainforest Toddy first. Begin at one ounce a day for three

>days. Then take 2 oz. a day for 3 days, then 3 oz, a day until the bottle

>is gone. Then take 1 oz a day of Total Toddy for a week, then 2 oz. a day.

>Take 2 oz a day of Mineral Toddy for a week then increase it to 4 oz. a day.

>Do this for a month. Your pain should decrease by at least 50% (a very

>conservative estimate).

wow! I will look into it.

>

>

> For those of you who are wondering why I am recommending these and not the

>protocol I recommend in the Basic Healing Protocols it is because this is

>the exact protocol I used for years with people that works so well. I

>received so many emails from people concerned about price I looked for

>another product that might approximate the Total Toddy. I came up with the

>VM-100. It's okay but it isn't Supralife's Total Toddy. It's a real

>dilemma for me when what I really want to say is dig as deeply into your

>pockets as possible and follow this protocol. I don't want to alienate

>people but I also cannot control what works, what doesn't, and the cost of

>it. In many cases, people have become so spoiled by having medical

>insurance pay for most prescriptions they just think they can't afford to

>pay out the money. The reality is--most people can find a way to make it

>happen.

>

>

>

> I'm going to give you a piece of advice, , learned from observing

>people and their lists of psychiatric drugs over a period of 20 years.

>Antipsychotics, antidepressants, benzodiazepines, mood stabilizers --when

>you see a list this long and varied what you are really looking at is

>improper treatment. If they were on the right track you would be on a drug

>and stable. The more drugs you take at once because one doesn't " work " ,

>the more drugs they keep trying because the last one didn't " work " the more

>likely it is that there is nothing wrong with you other than the after

>effects of having taken all these drugs.

yep, I hear that, when I was little and they put me on haldol and I

had side effects I was shocked that they immediately added cogentin

to the cocktail to counterract the side-effects......my whole life

sickens me in a way....

>

>

>

> Everyone has challenges. Almost everyone has had traumas. Some people

>have better coping skills than others. But everyone can learn better coping

>skills. Whatever happened to you last week, last month, last year, ten

>years ago, or as a child is all in the past. You lived through it. The

>best way to deal with all of it is to stop lingering on it and trying to fix

>it. It can't be fixed. Only how you think about things and view things can

>be fixed.

thanks so much for all you encouraging words, it really means the

world to me. it sounds like the one great boyfriend I had once who

really believed in me, I was happy, successful, and drug free for

four years with him - even quit smoking too.

>

>Regards,

>

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The Pfieffer treatment center is indeed wonderful..they helped us

with our son when no one else could. It is expensive...but...they

now have a program that reaches out to those who are financially

burdened. I'm not sure if it pays a portion for those who qualify or

if it pays the entire bill..but they can help.

We have donated to it in the past. They helped us tremendously when

we were just about at the end of our rope.

Cheryl

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I wish we had somewhere like it in the UK.

I am so glad you found somewhere that could help your son.

Lots of love

Re: .....going back on drugs

The Pfieffer treatment center is indeed wonderful..they helped us with our son when no one else could. It is expensive...but...they now have a program that reaches out to those who are financially burdened. I'm not sure if it pays a portion for those who qualify or if it pays the entire bill..but they can help.We have donated to it in the past. They helped us tremendously when we were just about at the end of our rope. CherylTo subscribe to the off-topic list go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socialWandR/

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I wish there was a clinic like Pfeiffer there too . We need

them in major cities across the world. Their waiting list in

unbelievably long. People come from all over the world to little old,

Naperville, Illonois. It took us 6 months to get in. That

was about 10 years ago, it's proably longer now because they're

getting more and more known all the time. It was about 10 yrs. ago we

took our son there. I'll never forget the nurse who welcomed and

interviewed us. She told us her story first. She had been in and

out of institutions her entire life. Eventually she was diagnosed as

schzophrinic. Her mother refused to give up on her, finally found

Pfieffer clinic, took her there and the rest is history. She went to

college, became a registered nurse with some sort of specialty in

nutrition and now works for the people who helped her. Gives me goose

flesh just thinking about it. Anyway, the prescribed my son

vitamins, minerals, just good ole nutrients and we saw results for

the first time ever with him. Back then he was extremely impulsive,

poor attention span, which led into behavior problems..anyway, they

helped big time. He was doing ok until recently when he fell into

some depression..Made the big mistake of accepting the doctors

prescribed help...called Paxil..It's been a nightmare ever since..If

not for this group and I think my son would have ended up

locked in a padded cell. I'm not joking, it got that bad. He's much

better now, on the mend, has good days and bad days, but so

frustrated that he got himself into this mess and even more

frustrated that these ssri's are legal and passed out to people like

they're candy.

I pray you have a really good day today!

Cheryl

> I wish we had somewhere like it in the UK.

> I am so glad you found somewhere that could help your son.

> Lots of love

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> The Pfieffer treatment center is indeed wonderful..they helped us

> with our son when no one else could. It is

expensive...but...they

> now have a program that reaches out to those who are financially

> burdened. I'm not sure if it pays a portion for those who

qualify or

> if it pays the entire bill..but they can help.

> We have donated to it in the past. They helped us tremendously

when

> we were just about at the end of our rope.

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> Cheryl

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