Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Dear Jeroen, I am so sorry to hear that you are being destroyed. Thank you for caring about us. I invite you to fill out a Judge Your Neighbor Worksheet on " I think this enlightenment and spirituality-business is dangerous and destructive. " , post it here and we can do The Work and find out what is true for you. Love, Steve D. > > Dear all, > > I think this enlightenment and spirituality-business is dangerous and > destructive. It leads us away from and destroys what is of vital > importance to ourselves, that is, nature. > > What I mean is that anything we experience, is an experience of nature > (or the cosmos). In short, all there is, is nature. Nature is not some > external thing. As you are never separate from nature, nature and you > are one: it is impossible to say where a human 'ends' and > nature/cosmos 'begins'. To ignore/destroy nature is to ignore/destroy > humans, to straightjacket nature is to straightjacket yourself, and > vice versa. Nature is one. > > Nature is a (comm)unity and everything that occurs in nature (f.e. a > human being) is a form of that (comm)unity. > > So it's not Shiva, Shakti, (para)Brahma(n), God, Allah, Buddha- nature > or whatever other spiritual, mystical, or transcendental concept/path > that was, is or will be making your day: it all is, has been and will > be nature. Hence there is no high and mighty plain of Detachment, > Happiness and Bliss where the Enlightened dwell: every one of us is > here, in/with nature, as nature. And I assure you, we all suffer > tremendously from the wars that are being waged on nature. > > So instead of searching for ((y)our) Happiness and ((y)our) > Enlightenment, we/you should better start minding and fighting for > what we are and what we were from the very beginning, viz. nature and > her (comm)unity. > > Notice that, I, that is, nature, am being destroyed while you are > searching for Enlightenment. In other words, the search for a Higher > State of Being (Enlightenment, Liberation, Extinction) is one of the > terrors of the contemporary world. We do not need Enlightenment, we > need nature, and we need it now! > > Other terrors that haunt our world are the terrorism of the Higher > Being (cfr. Abrahamic God), the terrorism of the Higher > Community/Leader(s) (cfr. states, kingdoms), and the terrorism of the > Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason). > > The terrorism of the Higher Being (God) turns humans into creatures of > this Being on a mission to spread His Message and Love. This is a very > tough terrorism as it is purely rooted in the belief in this Being, > whose existence can not be proven or disproven. > The terrorism of the Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason) > turns humans into civilised, developed people who (are made to) > believe in the High/Developed value of democratic states, science, > industry,.. with all the political, economic, industrial, > (neo)colonial, social, cultural, ecological consequences thereof. > The terrorism of the Higher Community/Leader(s) (states, kingdoms) > turns people into subjects, civilians or followers who (are made to) > believe that this Higher Community/Leader(s) is more important than > their own natural (comm)unity. > The terrorism of the Higher State of Being (Enlightenment) turns human > beings into seekers of spirituality/enlightenment who (are made to) > believe that (people with) this Higher State of Being is(are) more > important/valuable than (people with) other states of being. > > All these searches for Higher Goals terrorise/straightjacket human > beings. Being ignorant that nature is one, these straightjackets tear > nature into pieces (creatures, civilised/developed people, ..) and > destroy the (comm)unity of nature. > > Let's face it: we are not really creatures, civilised/developed > people, labour-units, subjects, civilians, followers or > spiritual/enlightenment seekers. Let's stop terrorising and > straightjacketing ourselves: we are nature!! > > The goal of nature is not to be holy/divine, civilised, obedient or > enlightened, but to live and enjoy her/our (comm)unity/ies. > > Therefore, we must (learn to) support, conserve and live in/as/with > our natural (comm)unity/ies with love and wisdom, and help stopping > the denial, straightjacketing and destruction of nature/ourself in the > name of some Higher Goal. > > The only energy/power humans need is not nuclear or electromagnetic, > but energy/power that is naturally available. The fusion humans need > is not a nuclear fusion, but a fusion of natural/human energies. > > > I wish us the best of luck! > > > Greetings, > > > Jeroen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 dear Jeroen I have a book for you naturally.. I have one for everyone.. Have you read Ishmael. ? You probably have already. My husband said he read Walmart is going to start selling organic foods.. I guess someone must be getting the message. I dont eat organic myself entirely but i know i should I think the spiritual and the environmental do go together. Have you seen the Farmer documentary -its suppose to be good? I dont know if you live in the US. love, roslyn > > Dear all, > > I think this enlightenment and spirituality-business is dangerous and > destructive. It leads us away from and destroys what is of vital > importance to ourselves, that is, nature. > > What I mean is that anything we experience, is an experience of nature > (or the cosmos). In short, all there is, is nature. Nature is not some > external thing. As you are never separate from nature, nature and you > are one: it is impossible to say where a human 'ends' and > nature/cosmos 'begins'. To ignore/destroy nature is to ignore/destroy > humans, to straightjacket nature is to straightjacket yourself, and > vice versa. Nature is one. > > Nature is a (comm)unity and everything that occurs in nature (f.e. a > human being) is a form of that (comm)unity. > > So it's not Shiva, Shakti, (para)Brahma(n), God, Allah, Buddha-nature > or whatever other spiritual, mystical, or transcendental concept/path > that was, is or will be making your day: it all is, has been and will > be nature. Hence there is no high and mighty plain of Detachment, > Happiness and Bliss where the Enlightened dwell: every one of us is > here, in/with nature, as nature. And I assure you, we all suffer > tremendously from the wars that are being waged on nature. > > So instead of searching for ((y)our) Happiness and ((y)our) > Enlightenment, we/you should better start minding and fighting for > what we are and what we were from the very beginning, viz. nature and > her (comm)unity. > > Notice that, I, that is, nature, am being destroyed while you are > searching for Enlightenment. In other words, the search for a Higher > State of Being (Enlightenment, Liberation, Extinction) is one of the > terrors of the contemporary world. We do not need Enlightenment, we > need nature, and we need it now! > > Other terrors that haunt our world are the terrorism of the Higher > Being (cfr. Abrahamic God), the terrorism of the Higher > Community/Leader(s) (cfr. states, kingdoms), and the terrorism of the > Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason). > > The terrorism of the Higher Being (God) turns humans into creatures of > this Being on a mission to spread His Message and Love. This is a very > tough terrorism as it is purely rooted in the belief in this Being, > whose existence can not be proven or disproven. > The terrorism of the Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason) > turns humans into civilised, developed people who (are made to) > believe in the High/Developed value of democratic states, science, > industry,.. with all the political, economic, industrial, > (neo)colonial, social, cultural, ecological consequences thereof. > The terrorism of the Higher Community/Leader(s) (states, kingdoms) > turns people into subjects, civilians or followers who (are made to) > believe that this Higher Community/Leader(s) is more important than > their own natural (comm)unity. > The terrorism of the Higher State of Being (Enlightenment) turns human > beings into seekers of spirituality/enlightenment who (are made to) > believe that (people with) this Higher State of Being is(are) more > important/valuable than (people with) other states of being. > > All these searches for Higher Goals terrorise/straightjacket human > beings. Being ignorant that nature is one, these straightjackets tear > nature into pieces (creatures, civilised/developed people, ..) and > destroy the (comm)unity of nature. > > Let's face it: we are not really creatures, civilised/developed > people, labour-units, subjects, civilians, followers or > spiritual/enlightenment seekers. Let's stop terrorising and > straightjacketing ourselves: we are nature!! > > The goal of nature is not to be holy/divine, civilised, obedient or > enlightened, but to live and enjoy her/our (comm)unity/ies. > > Therefore, we must (learn to) support, conserve and live in/as/with > our natural (comm)unity/ies with love and wisdom, and help stopping > the denial, straightjacketing and destruction of nature/ourself in the > name of some Higher Goal. > > The only energy/power humans need is not nuclear or electromagnetic, > but energy/power that is naturally available. The fusion humans need > is not a nuclear fusion, but a fusion of natural/human energies. > > > I wish us the best of luck! > > > Greetings, > > > Jeroen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Dear Jeroen, Nice story telling. Next time can I sit on your lap as you spin your yarns? Mississippi > > Dear all, > > I think this enlightenment and spirituality-business is dangerous and > destructive. It leads us away from and destroys what is of vital > importance to ourselves, that is, nature. > > What I mean is that anything we experience, is an experience of nature > (or the cosmos). In short, all there is, is nature. Nature is not some > external thing. As you are never separate from nature, nature and you > are one: it is impossible to say where a human 'ends' and > nature/cosmos 'begins'. To ignore/destroy nature is to ignore/destroy > humans, to straightjacket nature is to straightjacket yourself, and > vice versa. Nature is one. > > Nature is a (comm)unity and everything that occurs in nature (f.e. a > human being) is a form of that (comm)unity. > > So it's not Shiva, Shakti, (para)Brahma(n), God, Allah, Buddha- nature > or whatever other spiritual, mystical, or transcendental concept/path > that was, is or will be making your day: it all is, has been and will > be nature. Hence there is no high and mighty plain of Detachment, > Happiness and Bliss where the Enlightened dwell: every one of us is > here, in/with nature, as nature. And I assure you, we all suffer > tremendously from the wars that are being waged on nature. > > So instead of searching for ((y)our) Happiness and ((y)our) > Enlightenment, we/you should better start minding and fighting for > what we are and what we were from the very beginning, viz. nature and > her (comm)unity. > > Notice that, I, that is, nature, am being destroyed while you are > searching for Enlightenment. In other words, the search for a Higher > State of Being (Enlightenment, Liberation, Extinction) is one of the > terrors of the contemporary world. We do not need Enlightenment, we > need nature, and we need it now! > > Other terrors that haunt our world are the terrorism of the Higher > Being (cfr. Abrahamic God), the terrorism of the Higher > Community/Leader(s) (cfr. states, kingdoms), and the terrorism of the > Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason). > > The terrorism of the Higher Being (God) turns humans into creatures of > this Being on a mission to spread His Message and Love. This is a very > tough terrorism as it is purely rooted in the belief in this Being, > whose existence can not be proven or disproven. > The terrorism of the Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason) > turns humans into civilised, developed people who (are made to) > believe in the High/Developed value of democratic states, science, > industry,.. with all the political, economic, industrial, > (neo)colonial, social, cultural, ecological consequences thereof. > The terrorism of the Higher Community/Leader(s) (states, kingdoms) > turns people into subjects, civilians or followers who (are made to) > believe that this Higher Community/Leader(s) is more important than > their own natural (comm)unity. > The terrorism of the Higher State of Being (Enlightenment) turns human > beings into seekers of spirituality/enlightenment who (are made to) > believe that (people with) this Higher State of Being is(are) more > important/valuable than (people with) other states of being. > > All these searches for Higher Goals terrorise/straightjacket human > beings. Being ignorant that nature is one, these straightjackets tear > nature into pieces (creatures, civilised/developed people, ..) and > destroy the (comm)unity of nature. > > Let's face it: we are not really creatures, civilised/developed > people, labour-units, subjects, civilians, followers or > spiritual/enlightenment seekers. Let's stop terrorising and > straightjacketing ourselves: we are nature!! > > The goal of nature is not to be holy/divine, civilised, obedient or > enlightened, but to live and enjoy her/our (comm)unity/ies. > > Therefore, we must (learn to) support, conserve and live in/as/with > our natural (comm)unity/ies with love and wisdom, and help stopping > the denial, straightjacketing and destruction of nature/ourself in the > name of some Higher Goal. > > The only energy/power humans need is not nuclear or electromagnetic, > but energy/power that is naturally available. The fusion humans need > is not a nuclear fusion, but a fusion of natural/human energies. > > > I wish us the best of luck! > > > Greetings, > > > Jeroen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Daily... You are such a Steve... or shell I put it all the way around: Steve... you are such a Daily If you know what I mean??? T > Dear Jeroen, > > I am so sorry to hear that you are being destroyed. > Thank you for caring about us. > I invite you to fill out a Judge Your Neighbor Worksheet on " I think > this enlightenment and spirituality-business is dangerous and > destructive. " , post it here and we can do The Work and find out what > is true for you. > > Love, Steve D. > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > I think this enlightenment and spirituality-business is dangerous > and > > destructive. It leads us away from and destroys what is of vital > > importance to ourselves, that is, nature. > > > > What I mean is that anything we experience, is an experience of > nature > > (or the cosmos). In short, all there is, is nature. Nature is not > some > > external thing. As you are never separate from nature, nature and > you > > are one: it is impossible to say where a human 'ends' and > > nature/cosmos 'begins'. To ignore/destroy nature is to > ignore/destroy > > humans, to straightjacket nature is to straightjacket yourself, and > > vice versa. Nature is one. > > > > Nature is a (comm)unity and everything that occurs in nature (f.e. a > > human being) is a form of that (comm)unity. > > > > So it's not Shiva, Shakti, (para)Brahma(n), God, Allah, Buddha- > nature > > or whatever other spiritual, mystical, or transcendental > concept/path > > that was, is or will be making your day: it all is, has been and > will > > be nature. Hence there is no high and mighty plain of Detachment, > > Happiness and Bliss where the Enlightened dwell: every one of us is > > here, in/with nature, as nature. And I assure you, we all suffer > > tremendously from the wars that are being waged on nature. > > > > So instead of searching for ((y)our) Happiness and ((y)our) > > Enlightenment, we/you should better start minding and fighting for > > what we are and what we were from the very beginning, viz. nature > and > > her (comm)unity. > > > > Notice that, I, that is, nature, am being destroyed while you are > > searching for Enlightenment. In other words, the search for a Higher > > State of Being (Enlightenment, Liberation, Extinction) is one of the > > terrors of the contemporary world. We do not need Enlightenment, we > > need nature, and we need it now! > > > > Other terrors that haunt our world are the terrorism of the Higher > > Being (cfr. Abrahamic God), the terrorism of the Higher > > Community/Leader(s) (cfr. states, kingdoms), and the terrorism of > the > > Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason). > > > > The terrorism of the Higher Being (God) turns humans into creatures > of > > this Being on a mission to spread His Message and Love. This is a > very > > tough terrorism as it is purely rooted in the belief in this Being, > > whose existence can not be proven or disproven. > > The terrorism of the Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason) > > turns humans into civilised, developed people who (are made to) > > believe in the High/Developed value of democratic states, science, > > industry,.. with all the political, economic, industrial, > > (neo)colonial, social, cultural, ecological consequences thereof. > > The terrorism of the Higher Community/Leader(s) (states, kingdoms) > > turns people into subjects, civilians or followers who (are made to) > > believe that this Higher Community/Leader(s) is more important than > > their own natural (comm)unity. > > The terrorism of the Higher State of Being (Enlightenment) turns > human > > beings into seekers of spirituality/enlightenment who (are made to) > > believe that (people with) this Higher State of Being is(are) more > > important/valuable than (people with) other states of being. > > > > All these searches for Higher Goals terrorise/straightjacket human > > beings. Being ignorant that nature is one, these straightjackets > tear > > nature into pieces (creatures, civilised/developed people, ..) and > > destroy the (comm)unity of nature. > > > > Let's face it: we are not really creatures, civilised/developed > > people, labour-units, subjects, civilians, followers or > > spiritual/enlightenment seekers. Let's stop terrorising and > > straightjacketing ourselves: we are nature!! > > > > The goal of nature is not to be holy/divine, civilised, obedient or > > enlightened, but to live and enjoy her/our (comm)unity/ies. > > > > Therefore, we must (learn to) support, conserve and live in/as/with > > our natural (comm)unity/ies with love and wisdom, and help stopping > > the denial, straightjacketing and destruction of nature/ourself in > the > > name of some Higher Goal. > > > > The only energy/power humans need is not nuclear or electromagnetic, > > but energy/power that is naturally available. The fusion humans need > > is not a nuclear fusion, but a fusion of natural/human energies. > > > > > > I wish us the best of luck! > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Jeroen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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