Re: Danger Situations in EMS

[Guest guest]

I'm certified with pepper spray. Not something I'd even even CONSIDER in

the back of an ambulance. Took me (and the group I was with) 30 minutes

under running water to recover from a full facial spray. I have thought

about carrying a small can, but I figure my maglite (2D) works just as well.

On that note, how many of you have the solution that neutralizes pepper

spray on your units? Saline and water don't work NEAR as well as the

neutralizer.

Mike

[] Re: Danger Situations in EMS

In a message dated 11/17/98 9:52:55 PM, you wrote:

>Messy business, this pepper spray. It's about as subtle as a well placed

14g

>Abbocath.

Messy is not quite the right word for pepper spray (or any of the combat

sprays) You go from a mean and agitated patient to a mean and agitated

patient who is also a Haz-mat...<<<groan>>>... Somebody check me on this but

I

think that DPS troopers are taught one can per customer. They use the

little

cans with eight (two second?) sprays... Good for eight people.

Then they drive the target to the ground with the stuff. I've been in a

smokey club when someone got maced... About half the folks had to go

outside.

I doubt Spraying someone in the back of an ambulance would be a hot idea.

> A gun left alone will not hurt anyone. Only the human involvement makes >

the gun dangerous.

Loose in the back of the truck??? Wastebasket sounds like a good idea.

Somebody mentioned something about education... Even if you don't learn how

to

fire one I would think that being able to 'safe' and/or unload both pistols

and automatics would be good to find out how to do.

" Don't plan for what you think your (patient) will do,

but what they a capable of doing. "

(orginaly was enemy and said be Clauswitiz)

Gene what wild stories you have...Have you ever though of writing a book on

your EMS experiences?

:-{)>

Jt

john : paramedic

austin

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[Guest guest]

True, true. But it's hard to dry when you're sweating, coughing, crying and

getting fluid out every way you know. 10% OC hurts like nothing else.

Given the choice between being sprayed or being shot, shoot me.

Mike

[] Re: Danger Situations in EMS

>

>In a message dated 11/17/98 9:52:55 PM, you wrote:

>

>>Messy business, this pepper spray. It's about as subtle as a well placed

14g

>>Abbocath.

>

>Messy is not quite the right word for pepper spray (or any of the combat

>sprays) You go from a mean and agitated patient to a mean and agitated

>patient who is also a Haz-mat...<<<groan>>>... Somebody check me on this

but I

>think that DPS troopers are taught one can per customer. They use the

little

>cans with eight (two second?) sprays... Good for eight people.

>Then they drive the target to the ground with the stuff. I've been in a

>smokey club when someone got maced... About half the folks had to go

outside.

>I doubt Spraying someone in the back of an ambulance would be a hot idea.

>

>

>> A gun left alone will not hurt anyone. Only the human involvement makes >

>the gun dangerous.

>

>Loose in the back of the truck??? Wastebasket sounds like a good idea.

>Somebody mentioned something about education... Even if you don't learn how

to

>fire one I would think that being able to 'safe' and/or unload both pistols

>and automatics would be good to find out how to do.

>

> " Don't plan for what you think your (patient) will do,

> but what they a capable of doing. "

>

>(orginaly was enemy and said be Clauswitiz)

>

>Gene what wild stories you have...Have you ever though of writing a book on

>your EMS experiences?

>

>:-{)>

>Jt

>john : paramedic

>austin

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Barry Greer wrote:

>

> I have personally been sprayed and certified in the use of OC spray in my

> police academy course.. This is good stuff, and I believe it should be

> carried by anyone in a dangerous line of work.. Mace is very weak compared

> to this stuff, and while the back of an ambulance is not the place to spray

> someone, it is excellent defense against dogs, irate cats, vicious birds,

> etc.. The good thing about pepper spray is that once it dries on the

> suspect, it is no longer active.. it usually takes about 5-10 min to dry,

> and any type of moisture can reactivate it. DPS goes through the same type

> of class as everyone else, once the suspect is down, they are taught to

> discontinue use of OC, and if the OC proves ineffective, they are told to

> back off and select another force option..

> -Barry Greer EMT-P

> [] Re: Danger Situations in EMS

>

> >

> >In a message dated 11/17/98 9:52:55 PM, you wrote:

> >

> >>Messy business, this pepper spray. It's about as subtle as a well placed

> 14g

> >>Abbocath.

> >

> >Messy is not quite the right word for pepper spray (or any of the combat

> >sprays) You go from a mean and agitated patient to a mean and agitated

> >patient who is also a Haz-mat...<<<groan>>>... Somebody check me on this

> but I

> >think that DPS troopers are taught one can per customer. They use the

> little

> >cans with eight (two second?) sprays... Good for eight people.

> >Then they drive the target to the ground with the stuff. I've been in a

> >smokey club when someone got maced... About half the folks had to go

> outside.

> >I doubt Spraying someone in the back of an ambulance would be a hot idea.

> >

> >

> >> A gun left alone will not hurt anyone. Only the human involvement makes >

> >the gun dangerous.

> >

> >Loose in the back of the truck??? Wastebasket sounds like a good idea.

> >Somebody mentioned something about education... Even if you don't learn how

> to

> >fire one I would think that being able to 'safe' and/or unload both pistols

> >and automatics would be good to find out how to do.

> >

> > " Don't plan for what you think your (patient) will do,

> > but what they a capable of doing. "

> >

> >(orginaly was enemy and said be Clauswitiz)

> >

> >Gene what wild stories you have...Have you ever though of writing a book on

> >your EMS experiences?

> >

> >:-{)>

> >Jt

> >john : paramedic

> >austin

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> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I couldn't agree with you more, the stuff is like instant hell in a can.. I

think that I would rather beaten with an ASP than sprayed again!!

-Barry

[] Re: Danger Situations in EMS

>

>

>>

>>In a message dated 11/17/98 9:52:55 PM, you wrote:

>>

>>>Messy business, this pepper spray. It's about as subtle as a well placed

>14g

>>>Abbocath.

>>

>>Messy is not quite the right word for pepper spray (or any of the combat

>>sprays) You go from a mean and agitated patient to a mean and agitated

>>patient who is also a Haz-mat...<<<groan>>>... Somebody check me on this

>but I

>>think that DPS troopers are taught one can per customer. They use the

>little

>>cans with eight (two second?) sprays... Good for eight people.

>>Then they drive the target to the ground with the stuff. I've been in a

>>smokey club when someone got maced... About half the folks had to go

>outside.

>>I doubt Spraying someone in the back of an ambulance would be a hot idea.

>>

>>

>>> A gun left alone will not hurt anyone. Only the human involvement makes

>

>>the gun dangerous.

>>

>>Loose in the back of the truck??? Wastebasket sounds like a good idea.

>>Somebody mentioned something about education... Even if you don't learn

how

>to

>>fire one I would think that being able to 'safe' and/or unload both

pistols

>>and automatics would be good to find out how to do.

>>

>> " Don't plan for what you think your (patient) will do,

>> but what they a capable of doing. "

>>

>>(orginaly was enemy and said be Clauswitiz)

>>

>>Gene what wild stories you have...Have you ever though of writing a book

on

>>your EMS experiences?

>>

>>:-{)>

>>Jt

>>john : paramedic

>>austin

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>>

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