Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Hi, In a video that i've seen of Krishnamurti with , she said to him (if i remember) " U.G., if i had a theory, it would be yours. " or something similar, it's been a while. As far as i could tell she had her enlightenment and was teaching it.(not to Km, they were sharing their philosophies) I have no idea about the dates that Km passed away and Kt got a grasp of reality. My parents have Krishnamurti's teachings. He is worth reading. He is theoretical. Kt is practical. Going to to this seminar looks like an important opportunity for you, J. nel " " wrote: > > Dear Ric, > That is interesting. I dont know much about Krishnamurti. Do you > think that he and are similar in some ways? > Love > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Hi, Just to clarify UG Krishnamurti and regular old Krishnamurti are too different people, yours in holy mother s Love, Mark > > > > Dear Ric, > > That is interesting. I dont know much about Krishnamurti. Do you > > think that he and are similar in some ways? > > Love > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 So that person... was a " twin " of Krishnamurti.... www.otoons.com/osho/askosho_u.g.krishnamurti.htm nel " carpenter33333 " wrote: > > Hi, > > Just to clarify UG Krishnamurti and regular old Krishnamurti are too > different people, > > yours in holy mother s Love, > > Mark > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 Hi, U.G. is known as the anti-guru, apparently a lot of mentally abused x- guru-devotee's go to him for some clarity. One of Osho's big disciples, a film maker in india went to see U.G. and was so troubled that he gave up on Osho and threw his guru bestowed prayer beads down the toilet. Osho apparently had a hissy fit when he heard about it. He doesn't believe in copyright so you can read and listen to all his stuff free on the net. Mark > > > > Hi, > > > > Just to clarify UG Krishnamurti and regular old Krishnamurti are too > > different people, > > > > yours in holy mother s Love, > > > > Mark > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 Hello , Krishnamurti was a prolific writer/thinker/spiritual teacher with world wide influence. Yes, there are many similarities to in what he did and in his basic massages. Ric > >Reply-To: Loving-what-is >To: Loving-what-is >Subject: and Krishnamurti >Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:00:20 -0000 > > > > > >Dear Ric, > >That is interesting. I dont know much about Krishnamurti. Do you > >think that he and are similar in some ways? > >Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Â Â After her awakening, has said that she only knew > > > > > > > >about > > > > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > past > > > > > > > > > > > > from what other people told her. Did her memory ever come > > > > > > > >back > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > own? When I had my mini-awakening, I still knew about my > > > > > > > >past > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > vague sort of way, but as if it had happened to another > > > > > > > >person > > > > > > > > > > > > entirely. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Just to clarify UG Krishnamurti and regular old Krishnamurti are > too > > > different people, > > > > > > yours in holy mother s Love, > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 You can get an interview with and UG Krishnamurti somewhere here: http://www.ugkrishnamurti.org/ug/ug_audio/index3.html I did not think it was very interesting. > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Just to clarify UG Krishnamurti and regular old Krishnamurti are > too > > > different people, > > > > > > yours in holy mother s Love, > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 I was referring to the other Krishnamurti. Here is some information aobut him: JIDDU KRISHNAMURTI was born May 12, 1895, in Madanapalle, south India. From 1929 until his death in 1986 he traveled all over the world speaking spontaneously to large audiences His talks and dialogues have been compiled and published in more than fifty books and translated into as many different languages. His books include Think on These Things, Education and the Significance of Life, The Awakening of Intelligence, and The First and Last Freedom. His central theme: that authority in whatever form—religious, psychological or political—is a hindrance to seeing the truth; man has to be his own guru to bring about psychological transformation. Attending Krishnamurti`s talks in 1961, Aldous Huxley said, " It was like listening to a discourse of the Buddha-such power, such intrinsic authority.... " There can be no learning where there is authority in any form. He stated tirelessly, " We must be very clear on this matter from the very beginning. There is no belief demanded or asked, there are no followers, there are no cults, there is no persuasion of any kind, in any direction, and therefore only then we can meet on the same platform, on the same ground, at the same level. Then we can together observe the extraordinary phenomena of human existence. " " The teachings are not something out there in a book; what the teachings say is, 'Look at yourself, go into yourself, inquire into what is there, understand it, go beyond it', and so on. The teachings are only a means of pointing, explaining, but you have to understand, not the teachings, but yourself. " JIDDU KRISHNAMURTI was born May 12, 1895, in Madanapalle, south India. From 1929 until his death in 1986 he traveled all over the world speaking spontaneously to large audiences. He engaged in dialogues with religious leaders, scientists, professors, authors, psychologists, computer experts, and people from many different backgrounds deeply questioning their daily life. His talks and dialogues have been compiled and published in more than fifty books and translated into as many different languages. His books include Think on These Things, Education and the Significance of Life, The Awakening of Intelligence, and The First and Last Freedom. Krishnamurti claimed allegiance to no caste, nationality or religion and was bound by no tradition. He said man has to free himself of all fear, conditioning, authority and dogma through self-knowledge and this will bring about order and psychological mutation. The conflict-ridden violent world, he suggested, cannot be transformed into a life of goodness, love and compassion by any political, social or economic strategies, but only through this mutation in individuals brought about through their own observation, without the mediation of any guru or organized religion. Krishnamurti`s stature as an original philosopher, attracted non-traditional and traditional thinkers and philosophers alike. Heads of various religious organizations held discussions with him, only to hear him repeat his central theme that authority in whatever form—religious, psychological or political—is a hindrance to seeing the truth; man has to be his own guru to bring about psychological transformation. Attending Krishnamurti`s talks in 1961, Aldous Huxley said, " It was like listening to a discourse of the Buddha-such power, such intrinsic authority.... " In 1984 he spoke to nuclear scientists at the National Laboratory Research Center at Los Alamos, New Mexico, U.S.A. Bohm Ph.D., the quantum physicist and friend of Einstein, recognized in Krishnamurti's teachings parallels with his own revolutionary theories of physics. This led to many years of dialogue between the two men. In 1980 a series of conversations took place between Krishnamurti and Bohm, which began with the question 'Has humanity taken a wrong turn . . .?' These conversations were later compiled into the book, The Ending of Time. In establishing the many schools he founded in India, England, and the United States, Krishnamurti envisioned that education should emphasize the integral cultivation of the mind and the heart, not mere academic intelligence. Krishnamurti said, " Surely a school is a place where one learns about the totality, the wholeness of life. Academic excellence is absolutely necessary, but a school includes much more than that. It is a place where both the teacher and the taught explore not only the outer world, the world of knowledge, but also their own thinking, their behavior. " For decades he engaged in dialogues with teachers and students to emphasize the understanding that it is only in such freedom that true learning can take place. He established foundations in India, Europe and the United States with the defined role of protecting the teachings from being distorted and of disseminating his work, without the authority to interpret or deify the teachings or the person. There can be no learning where there is authority in any form. He stated tirelessly, " We must be very clear on this matter from the very beginning. There is no belief demanded or asked, there are no followers, there are no cults, there is no persuasion of any kind, in any direction, and therefore only then we can meet on the same platform, on the same ground, at the same level. Then we can together observe the extraordinary phenomena of human existence. " " The Core of Teachings " Written by Krishnamurti in 1980 for the biography by Lutyens Krishnamurti: The Years of Fulfilment. In 1983, he revised the statement to its current form. © KFT. " The core of Krishnamurti’s teaching is contained in the statement he made in 1929 when he said: ‘Truth is a pathless land’. Man cannot come to it through any organization, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, not through any philosophic knowledge or psychological technique. He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection. Man has built in himself images as a fence of security—religious, political, personal. These manifest as symbols, ideas, beliefs. The burden of these images dominates man’s thinking, his relationships, and his daily life. These images are the causes of our problems for they divide man from man. His perception of life is shaped by the concepts already established in his mind. The content of his consciousness is his entire existence. This content is common to all humanity. I ask you, does this not sound like ? Here is a link http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/index.php?page=1 Ric > >Reply-To: Loving-what-is >To: Loving-what-is >Subject: Re: and Krishnamurti >Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:24:47 -0000 > > > > > >You can get an interview with and UG Krishnamurti > >somewhere here: http://www.ugkrishnamurti.org/ug/ug_audio/index3.html > >I did not think it was very interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Just to clarify UG Krishnamurti and regular old Krishnamurti are > > > too > > > > > different people, > > > > > > > > > > yours in holy mother s Love, > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Thank you Ric, That was interesting, and I agree that his philosophy was alot like 's, except for one thing. He sounds very vague about how to carry out self-observation and become one's own guru. He states how important it is, but not how to do it. Or maybe he does, just not in the information that you have shared. > > I was referring to the other Krishnamurti. Here is some information aobut > him: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 J I am surprised you didn't give me your e-mail address don't you want a copy of 's book " all war belongs on paper " ? By the way I have a nice story how I got the copy of this book. I asked for it. End of story! Actually I asked to send me a copy of her book and I asked one of her employee as well. I got 2 responses by mail: 1 from : I cannot send you a copy of my book Second response was from her employee: He just send me the book! So is not as generous as her employee? Anyway, I am the sweetest cause I am willing to share T -- Re: and Krishnamurti Thank you Ric, That was interesting, and I agree that his philosophy was alot like 's, except for one thing. He sounds very vague about how to carry out self-observation and become one's own guru. He states how important it is, but not how to do it. Or maybe he does, just not in the information that you have shared. > > I was referring to the other Krishnamurti. Here is some information aobut > him: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Thank you for setting the record about the video straight. I guess that now the pieces in the video come together. nel " nel " wrote: > > So that person... was a " twin " of Krishnamurti.... > > www.otoons.com/osho/askosho_u.g.krishnamurti.htm > > nel > > " carpenter33333 " <carpenter33333@> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Just to clarify UG Krishnamurti and regular old Krishnamurti are too > > different people, > > > > yours in holy mother s Love, > > > > Mark > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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