Re: how much hydrocortisone

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In a message dated 20/07/2006 18:26:10 GMT Daylight Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

Where are your thyroid levels? Do you feel they are optimal? I am asking

as if you still need ot increase oyu should stress dose for those

increases. Especially while trying to cut down.

Hi Val

I have not had a thyroid panel for 18 months and that was a first.

My planhas been to work towards optimising my thyroid levels and I have been

relying on Dr Rind's temperature charts to assess this. Lowish and flat was

the most recent assessment. But higher than it was at 96.whatever to

97.whatever.

My last Armour increase was only very recent and another is not planned for

4 weeks or so. I am at 3 and a half grains now.

Mo

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Val.. are you saying that at taking 20 mg hc when you decide to up armour by

say 1/2 grain you should take an extra 5mg of HC that day? or for how long?

and when is the best time to add it? is there a way that you knew you needed

more hc then the original 20 everyone takes? is there a way to know if its

too much?

Thanks

Lainey

In a message dated 7/20/2006 1:23:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

Where are your thyroid levels? Do you feel they are optimal? I am asking

as if you still need ot increase oyu should stress dose for those

increases. Especially while trying to cut down.

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In a message dated 20/07/2006 19:13:25 GMT Daylight Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

I would be very careful lowering the adrenal support much more till your

thyroid is optimal. Otherwise you could backslide really easily.

Hi Val

I don't really know how to assess any of this.

Should I definitely look to my temps as a guideline Val?

I have been taking 30 mg h.c and need to know how I can assess if this is

too much.

Can you help?

Thanks

Mo

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In a message dated 20/07/2006 19:14:14 GMT Daylight Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

If you have adrenal symptoms or are on higher doses of HC then you

should stress dose to relieve the adrenal symptoms. You can stress dose

for three days without becoming dependant on that dose.

What kind of adrenal symptoms should I be on the lookout for Val? It is now

7.20 pm and I have had no h.c since lunchtime and no symptoms.

Mo

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In a message dated 20/07/2006 19:57:24 GMT Daylight Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

Thta's GREAT! If oyu are not shaky or nauseaus, you should be fine.

Sounds ilike while oyu weren't looking your adrenals have been healing@!

Well that is wonderful news!

Thing is I don't think I have ever had nausea or shakiness before or after

starting pred/h.c. I am confused somewhat Val.

So you think I should start reducing at the evening and only make a

reduction every two weeks? Ok.

Thanks.

Mo

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In a message dated 7/20/2006 3:09:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

NOVAexeter@... writes:

Thing is I don't think I have ever had nausea or shakiness before or after

starting pred/h.c.

I was never shakey or queezy in the stomach either from lowering it..or

adding it.. in fact I dont think I ever really felt anything from taking the

hc,

except maybe a few hot spells where I felt warm all around my head,.,.some

people say how great they feel from it.. i guess everyone is so different..

[Guest guest]

Where are your thyroid levels? Do you feel they are optimal? I am asking

as if you still need ot increase oyu should stress dose for those

increases. Especially while trying to cut down.

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I would be very careful lowering the adrenal support much more till your

thyroid is optimal. Otherwise you could backslide really easily.

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If you have adrenal symptoms or are on higher doses of HC then you

should stress dose to relieve the adrenal symptoms. You can stress dose

for three days without becoming dependant on that dose.

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I know for myself when I slip on by time for a dose and actually don;t

notice it, I don;t need it. Usually the later in the day doses should go

first then lower the earlier ones, kind of a backwards as to how you

started it BUT SLOWER . Supposed to take two weeks to lower each 5MG

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Thta's GREAT! If oyu are not shaky or nauseaus, you should be fine.

Sounds ilike while oyu weren't looking your adrenals have been healing@!

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Yes it is best to reduce slowly if oyu can.

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according to my doc, you may only absorb half of the HC one takes so the

actual dose absorbed, is much lower.

-- how much hydrocortisone

Well I am experimenting with my dose of h/c. Have been taking 15, 10 and 5

mg for the last week or two.

Today I did not take my 5 pm dose and I cannot say as I can see any

noticeable difference.

Any adrenal symptoms should show by now right? It is now 6.10 pm in England.

If not shakes, what else should I be looking for. I am permanently anxious,

and have been since childhood, Even with pred. and/or h.c this last year and

half the anxiety has not dissipated, so don't know how to assess this

particular symptom.

Thanks.

Mo

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>>according to my doc, you may only absorb half of the HC one takes so the

actual dose absorbed, is much lower. <<

I have read this as well, and it is one of the reasons I have not feared to take

what I needed for adrenal support, and if things are going as well as I feel

they are, I will personally prove that 30MG for 10 months is not a TOO

suppressive dose.

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In a message dated 20/07/2006 20:28:43 GMT Daylight Time, Lainey513@...

writes:

hot spells where I felt warm all around my head,.,.some

people say how great they feel from it..

I DID feel great from it. It got me from bedbound to erect amd moving. Not

very far, still mostly in the home but a major improvement. then when i added

in the Armour things improved further.

It is just that I have never become shakey or nauseous when I forgot to take

it.

What did happen last night was I started to notice palps when I went to bed

at 10.30 pm. I had taken my last h/c dose at lunchtime and had no signs of ill

effects at all.

The palps (and the incredible heatwave) stopped me getting to sleep until

3/4 pm.

Could this be from dropping the last dose.

Today I have just taken 15, will take a further 10 and lunchtime and am

unsure about whether to drop the last dose again in case this is causing the

palps and I have another horrendous night.

Any thoughts peeps?

Thanks.

Mo

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In a message dated 20/07/2006 23:59:15 GMT Daylight Time,

smann writes:

according to my doc, you may only absorb half of the HC one takes so the

actual dose absorbed, is much lower.

Is that right? I did not know that. Thanks.

mo

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In a message dated 21/07/2006 11:26:29 GMT Daylight Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

Yes this could have been from dropping your last dose. But as you are taking

15MG in the mornings, why not go to 10MG, 10MG and 5MG thus you will not

shut as much ACTH out in the mornings allowing your adrenals to work a bit

more.

Ok Val. I have already taken the 15 this morning but will work to that

schedule from now.

Does this mean my adrenals have not healed after all Val?

I wish I could understand how all of this works.

Mo

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In a message dated 21/07/2006 11:36:24 GMT Daylight Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

No it doesn't mean they haven't healed. It simply means the ACTHproduction

is not high enough to tell them to make enough Cortisol, and this could be fom

the 15MG dose in the mornings. The higher dose you takem the less ACTH your

pituitary will make as it senses the amount ther and makes an appropriate

amount to stimulate the adrenals. At first you WANT ACTH lowered to rest your

adrenals, so you replace high in the AM to slwo this way down, then because

ACTH los much lowered you will get adrenl symptoms later in the day when your

pill runs out as thr ACTH is too low to tell the adrenals to make enough

Cortisol. As you wean off HC, your adrenals need the ACTH stimulatio again to

tell

them to start making cortisol again. So it takes a while for both the ACTH

to rise again when ou lower your meds, and for the adrenals to pick up the

slack once they get the message to do so. All this takes time, which is why it

is best to only drop 5MG every 2 weeks.

Oh thanks SO much for the comprehensive explanation. That really helps.

Mo

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>>What did happen last night was I started to notice palps when I went to bed

at 10.30 pm. I had taken my last h/c dose at lunchtime and had no signs of ill

effects at all.

The palps (and the incredible heatwave) stopped me getting to sleep until

3/4 pm.

Could this be from dropping the last dose.<<

Yes this could have been from dropping your last dose. But as you are taking

15MG in the mornings, why not go to 10MG, 10MG and 5MG thus you will not shut as

much ACTH out in the mornings allowing your adrenals to work a bit more.

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>>Ok Val. I have already taken the 15 this morning but will work to that

schedule from now.

Does this mean my adrenals have not healed after all Val?

I wish I could understand how all of this works.<<

No it doesn't mean they haven't healed. It simply means the ACTHproduction is

not high enough to tell them to make enough Cortisol, and this could be fom the

15MG dose in the mornings. The higher dose you takem the less ACTH your

pituitary will make as it senses the amount ther and makes an appropriate amount

to stimulate the adrenals. At first you WANT ACTH lowered to rest your adrenals,

so you replace high in the AM to slwo this way down, then because ACTH los much

lowered you will get adrenl symptoms later in the day when your pill runs out as

thr ACTH is too low to tell the adrenals to make enough Cortisol. As you wean

off HC, your adrenals need the ACTH stimulatio again to tell them to start

making cortisol again. So it takes a while for both the ACTH to rise again when

ou lower your meds, and for the adrenals to pick up the slack once they get the

message to do so. All this takes time, which is why it is best to only drop 5MG

every 2 weeks.

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