Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 No, Putter isn't irritating; he is very sweet. But Blake from the Autism Center and I were irritating Putter. Blake was doing an assessment of mild sorts of things that might bother Putter enough to use them for pee accidents as part of the Autism Center's ongoing and unsuccessful attempt to potty train The Evil Mr. Putt. Blake came over to my house about dinner time and asked me if I knew what he was supposed to do. He sighed and said, " It really isn't very nice you know. We'll be trying to find things that Putter doesn't like and the only way we can be sure he doesn't like them is if we try them on him. And he hasn't done anything to deserve them so it's unfair. If you don't want to do this, I'll understand. " Blake is a nice person. So I asked what torments he had in mind for little Putter who was playing with a calculator and counting along with it happily. He said, " Time outs, having his eyes covered, a gentle basket hold, making him pick up a basket of balls and [one of the Autism Center's directors] said you had some ideas about screen doors and wet pants. None of that sounded too awful so I said okay and if I felt Putter was suffering unduly, I would put a stop to it. Each of these evil behaviors would be done for thirty seconds on and I think a minute off for a total of two and a half minutes. Just so long as they weren't planning on beating Putter! Blake videotaped the entire Torture Session. First the time out. Putter sat in a chair and fussed very very mildly at Blake. He did not fight or try to get out. It did not look terribly aversive. Blake and I agreed that time outs were probably not for Putter. Next Blake tried filling a laundry basket with balls from our ball pit and dumping them. He ordered Putter to pick them up. Putter did. He plainly enjoyed it. We did this several times. Robbie got involved and this did annoy Putter slightly because Robbie would throw the balls. We considered using Robbie as an aversive, but thought that Robbie was probably too unreliable. Then we did the basket hold. Putter sat docilely on Blake's lap. He appeared to know when the hold would be over as you could see him start to get up slightly before the timer went off. We figured he had understood Blake's pattern and was using his internal clock to time the episodes himself. Neither Blake nor I had much faith in the basket hold as persuading Putter to potty train. Putter clearly did not like having his eyes covered. He did not object so strongly that I had any faith in the aversive effect working any longer than the pee alarm did. But still we included it on the potential list albeit with reservations. The screen door off my breezeway makes a terrible sound and Putter covers his ears before it is opened but Blake and I didn't even bother videotaping that as it was very clear indeed that Putter didn't like the noise but wasn't terrible bothered by it. I had high hopes for the wet pants and it is a natural consequence, which I like. Seems reasonable to leave him in wet pants and not let him take them off and that that might persuade him " no wet pants! " that phrase he uses so lightly and casually. But no go. We got a pair of underpants wet and put them on Putter who looked at them with faint annoyance. But he stood there patiently watching Blake and his timer and then quickly removed them when the time was up ( " Geez, these NT's are SO weird " thinks Putter, " I really prefer the reinforcer assessments. But what the heck, it'll be over soon. I think these are two and a half minute trials... " ) Putter is just way too good natured or far too committed to foiling our efforts. Don't know which one. Salli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 > Score one for Mr Putt! Sue: Mr. Putt always scores! Salli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 Poor Putter. I believe that he is too smart and that is what is foiling all your efforts. Surely there must be some possible highly desired reward out there that might persuade him? I wish you luck Salli. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 Score one for Mr Putt! Sue --------------------------------------------------------------- NetZero Platinum Only $9.95 per month! Sign up in September to win one of 30 Hawaiian Vacations for 2! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum & refcd=PT97 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 When I went to the Autism Center tonight, I was laughing with Dr. LeBlanc about this (sorry) and she said, " Putter breaks ALL the rules! " She said she loved him but she had no idea what to do! So, Putter is way ahead of the game here. Amy H Kepler 4 ASD and Bethany 5 & 1/2 NT " Illegitimus non carborundum " (Lat: Don't let the bastards grind you down) -Gen. ph Stilwell _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 I believe Putter will continue to outwit the 'nt' world for a looooong time to come. and he'll use the potty when he's darned good and ready. Period. ;-) Penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 > I believe Putter will continue to outwit the 'nt' world for a > looooong time to come. > > and he'll use the potty when he's darned good and ready. > > Period. > > ;-) > Penny I agree 100%. Sounds like outwitting the dummies is more fun than using the potty anyway. Sis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 > > Um.... I don't know about the outwit part, but Penny - - could you please > include Syd and Madi in the potty statement too? > PLEASE??????????????????????? > > Grace Consider it done. :-) Penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2001 Report Share Posted October 5, 2001 You didn't cry? Get frustrated?? Sometimes I wish I could leave him in his own little world. I feel guilty intruding....he has enough to deal with our met shoving stuff in his face. I know it will help but does the guilt get any better?? To think we haven't even started any yet ! At 10:50 AM 10/2/2001, you wrote: >No, Putter isn't irritating; he is very sweet. But Blake from the Autism >Center and I were irritating Putter. Blake was doing an assessment of >mild sorts of things that might bother Putter enough to use them for pee >accidents as part of the Autism Center's ongoing and unsuccessful attempt >to potty train The Evil Mr. Putt. > >Blake came over to my house about dinner time and asked me if I knew what >he was supposed to do. He sighed and said, " It really isn't very nice you >know. We'll be trying to find things that Putter doesn't like and the >only way we can be sure he doesn't like them is if we try them on >him. And he hasn't done anything to deserve them so it's unfair. If you >don't want to do this, I'll understand. " Blake is a nice person. So I >asked what torments he had in mind for little Putter who was playing with >a calculator and counting along with it happily. > >He said, " Time outs, having his eyes covered, a gentle basket hold, making >him pick up a basket of balls and [one of the Autism Center's >directors] said you had some ideas about screen doors and wet pants. > >None of that sounded too awful so I said okay and if I felt Putter was >suffering unduly, I would put a stop to it. Each of these evil behaviors >would be done for thirty seconds on and I think a minute off for a total >of two and a half minutes. > >Just so long as they weren't planning on beating Putter! > >Blake videotaped the entire Torture Session. First the time out. Putter >sat in a chair and fussed very very mildly at Blake. He did not fight or >try to get out. It did not look terribly aversive. Blake and I agreed >that time outs were probably not for Putter. > >Next Blake tried filling a laundry basket with balls from our ball pit and >dumping them. He ordered Putter to pick them up. Putter did. He plainly >enjoyed it. We did this several times. Robbie got involved and this did >annoy Putter slightly because Robbie would throw the balls. We considered >using Robbie as an aversive, but thought that Robbie was probably too >unreliable. > >Then we did the basket hold. Putter sat docilely on Blake's lap. He >appeared to know when the hold would be over as you could see him start to >get up slightly before the timer went off. We figured he had understood >Blake's pattern and was using his internal clock to time the episodes >himself. Neither Blake nor I had much faith in the basket hold as >persuading Putter to potty train. > >Putter clearly did not like having his eyes covered. He did not object so >strongly that I had any faith in the aversive effect working any longer >than the pee alarm did. But still we included it on the potential list >albeit with reservations. > >The screen door off my breezeway makes a terrible sound and Putter covers >his ears before it is opened but Blake and I didn't even bother >videotaping that as it was very clear indeed that Putter didn't like the >noise but wasn't terrible bothered by it. > >I had high hopes for the wet pants and it is a natural consequence, which >I like. Seems reasonable to leave him in wet pants and not let him take >them off and that that might persuade him " no wet pants! " that phrase he >uses so lightly and casually. > >But no go. We got a pair of underpants wet and put them on Putter who >looked at them with faint annoyance. But he stood there patiently >watching Blake and his timer and then quickly removed them when the time >was up ( " Geez, these NT's are SO weird " thinks Putter, " I really prefer >the reinforcer assessments. But what the heck, it'll be over soon. I >think these are two and a half minute trials... " ) > >Putter is just way too good natured or far too committed to foiling our >efforts. Don't know which one. > >Salli > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2001 Report Share Posted October 5, 2001 > But no go. We got a pair of underpants wet and put them on Putter who looked at them with faint annoyance. But he stood there patiently watching Blake and his timer and then quickly removed them when the time was up ( " Geez, these NT's are SO weird " thinks Putter, " I really prefer the reinforcer assessments. But what the heck, it'll be over soon. I think these are two and a half minute trials... " ) > My my my... do they still say Putter is a 'perfect' case of autism? Seems to me he has broken the mold! Or is he the prototype the rest are based on??? Holy cow, what a devious/clever/UNBEATABLE child! Jacquie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2001 Report Share Posted October 5, 2001 > > My my my... do they still say Putter is a 'perfect' case of autism? Seems to me he has broken the mold! Or is he the prototype the rest are based on??? > > Holy cow, what a devious/clever/UNBEATABLE child! Yes, if only it were not POTTY TRAINING, for Putter will enjoy being potty trained as fastidious as he is, that Putter decided to be terribly clever about. Why not the capitols of Asia, for heaven's sake? It sounds better too... Salli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 > I believe Putter will continue to outwit the 'nt' world for a > looooong time to come. > > and he'll use the potty when he's darned good and ready. > > Period. > > ;-) > Penny Um.... I don't know about the outwit part, but Penny - - could you please include Syd and Madi in the potty statement too? PLEASE??????????????????????? Grace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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